Seeking Crash Witnesses For Interview Options

[acebaker]

I'm seeking any and all eyewitnesses to the crash of UA175 at the south tower. You must be willing to go on record and use your real name. Please contact me via email.

acebaker1234 [at] yahoo [dot] com

Thank you.

Ace Baker

[rob balsamo]

Welcome back Ace.

Im not too sure you'll find many of the NYC witnesses to the south tower impact hanging around in the UAL175 section of this forum, but you may get lucky. You may want to try google for names of witnesses, cameramen... etc and try to find contact information via those channels. But you're welcome to leave your post here in case a witness does happen to drop by.

I'll try to get CIT to give you some tips on locating and interviewing witnesses. Good luck.

[acebaker]

Rob, you were the one who asked if I wanted some pilots to interview, remember? What happened to them?

[rob balsamo]

Try actually reading the link this time...

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....&p=10758958

[acebaker]

Actually, I was referring to this post

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....&p=10758948

Where you said:

Let me know if you need a few [airplane crash witnesses to interview]... i know a few pilots who watched it happen from JFK and EWR

.

Yes, I REALLY REALLY REALLY want to interview a few pilots who watched it happen from JFK and Newark.

Who are the few pilots, and will you please contact them and request that I may interview them?

Thank you,

Ace Baker

[rob balsamo]

Ace,

Please stop cherry picking and read the whole thread again in context.

Specifically my answer to your post after the above you linked. We are repeating ourselves here....
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....&p=10758954

Pay close attention to this sentence...

We'll start there [with Shye].. .then if you need more... i'll track down the guys from JFK. But im sure Shye can track down alot more.. .good luck!

and this sentence...

I can not provide you his contact info as i dont even have it myself. Havent spoken to the guy in years. But i dont think he is lying about his story either as we knew each other well "flying the line".

and since we are repeating a thread in this thread, this thread gets moved to the same section.

The majority of this forum and organization disagree with your theories for reasons stated ad nauseum. We certainly will not do the leg work for you in an attempt to 'prove' your theory when many of us feel its disinformation, a red herring and overall hogwash, especially since you have not shown any initiative to interview witneses and instead ask others to bring them to you! Weak, poor form, the list goes on...

I gave you a name to start with from a first hand witness. A real, live, breathing witness with a real name who also happens to be a pilot at a former airline in which we both were employed. Im sorry if you do not have the observation skills to track down Shye for interview (hint: It clearly states on the ipilots.org website he now works for jetBlue). I know you would prefer to be spoon fed instead of doing your own legwork to prove your theory, but you came to the wrong place if you need someone to hold your hand.

Repeating myself once again,

If you want anyone to take your theories seriously, please review this post...

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....&p=10758943


Now, you have already taken up enough of my time from other work i have to accomplish, so forgive me if i dont reply to your posts in a timely fashion. Although, i look forward to the WTC witness lists broken down, and filmed on location by you, as did CIT for the events at the pentagon, who did not have to make a post "Seeking Witnesses". Good luck.

[INP]

Hey Ace,

this is most likely Shye Gilad Rob was refering to:

http://www.projetaviation.com/shyegilad.html

Maybe Rob can confirm from the picture...

(IMG:http://www.projetaviation.com/images/about%20us/shye-gilad-93.jpg)

Good luck!

INP

[rob balsamo]

Thats him!

Thanks INP

[Aldo Marquis CIT]

Here you go Ace...

http://letsrollforums.com/final-nail-no-pl...ml?amp;p=102631

http://zabasearch.com/

Don't be antagonistic and over confident that a plane did not hit the building. Speak to them with respect and pretend like you don't know "what really happened" and simply ask them to tell you what they saw.

Have fun!

[acebaker]

So they moved this thread under the radar also. Sigh.

Request sent to Shye Gilad

Dear Shye:

I'm making a documentary about 9/11, and I would like to interview anyone who saw an airplane crash into the World Trade Center. Rob Balsamo of Pilots for 9/11 Truth said you are an eyewitness.

Please let me know if you are interested, and feel free to forward this request to any other eyewitnesses you may know.

Sincerely,

Ace Baker

[rob balsamo]

So they moved this thread under the radar also. Sigh.

I just deleted the link left behind in the UA175 forum redirecting to this thread, so you can be accurate with your above claim.

Ace, when are you going to learn the definitions of terms such as "banned" and "under the radar"?

[acebaker]

Here you go Ace...

http://letsrollforums.com/final-nail-no-pl...ml?amp;p=102631

http://zabasearch.com/

Don't be antagonistic and over confident that a plane did not hit the building. Speak to them with respect and pretend like you don't know "what really happened" and simply ask them to tell you what they saw.

Have fun!

Aldo -

It was nice to meet you in September at the conference. Though of pleasant demeanor, you were profoundly antagonistic towards my scientific approach, and seemed over-confident about your Pentagon fly-over theory. Unlike WTC, we do not have a rich literature of video evidence at the Pentagon, I appreciate all your hard work in interviewing these people.

Eyewitnesses are interesting, and I have been diligently searching for a single credible witness at the WTC. However, eyewitnesses are secondary to credible physical evidence, always. People can lie, and they can be mistaken. There are quite a few eyewitnesses who specifically did not see any plane at WTC, despite being in position, e.g. David Handshuch.

The videos of UA175 cannot be real. Please review the scientific proofs of video compositing that I have presented. If there was a plane crash at WTC2, then there must be errors throughout my paper. Feel free to point them out, and I will make corrections as needed.

Sincerely,

Ace Baker

This post has been edited by acebaker: Nov 24 2008, 12:50 PM

[Aldo Marquis CIT]

Aldo -

It was nice to meet you in September at the conference. Though of pleasant demeanor, you were profoundly antagonistic towards my scientific approach, and seemed over-confident about your Pentagon fly-over theory.

Perhaps I seemed over-confident because I wasn't promoting a theory but actual proof and evidence. The plane approached on the north side of the Citgo. This alone proves the plane did not hit. This also implicates several people on the highway, including the cab driver. But eyewitness Officer Roosevelt Roberts did not see a theory banking around south parking lot AFTER the explosion either-he saw the plane flying away after the explosion.

It was nice to meet you also, but I was "profoundly antagonistic" towards the same tired arguments from the no-planers. I had no idea you were promoting these same arguments. So the point was still perfectly illustrated.

Unlike WTC, we do not have a rich literature of video evidence at the Pentagon, I appreciate all your hard work in interviewing these people.

Right and unlike the Pentagon, at the towers, we had a ton of people staring up at the burning towers when the second plane struck South Tower. So there are bound to be witnesses and not faked video, holograms, missiles etc.

Eyewitnesses are interesting, and I have been diligently searching for a single credible witness at the WTC.

They are more than interesting. They are the only means for independent verifiable evidence that we have. There are plenty of credible witnesses at WTC. I think you just need to do some more searching.

However, eyewitnesses are secondary to credible physical evidence, always.

Not in the case of 9/11. In the case of Shanksville and the Pentagon, the "physical evidence" ALONG WITH eyewitnesses testimony proves the deception. I am not sure what physical evidence at WTC you are referring to. And by the way, physical evidence only exists in physical form.

People can lie, and they can be mistaken.

Agreed. But logic would dictate that you wouldn't be finding this at WTC due to the sheer number of eyewitnesses. At least in regard to the 'no plane' allegations.

There are quite a few eyewitnesses who specifically did not see any plane at WTC, despite being in position, e.g. David Handshuch.

(IMG:http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z13/AmandaReconwith/DavidHandschuh.jpg)

My name’s David Handschuh – I’m a staff photographer at the NY Daily News.

Sept 11th 2001, I was probably the first photographer on the scene at the WTC. I photographed the 2nd plane hitting the south tower – I covered the worst event I’ve ever seen in my life – every natural and unnatural disaster rolled into one. (23)

So where does he state that he didn't see it? Or better yet hear it? You say he was in a position, but it appears that he is on the exiting side of the tower/plane.

So where is your first hand verifiable proof that he didn't see, could see, or could hear a plane?

The videos of UA175 cannot be real.

Why because you said so? Because you deemed them fake? Because you interviewed witnesses that prove it is fake? Because you have several special effect/television graphics experts who have gone on the records and testified to this?

Please review the scientific proofs of video compositing that I have presented. If there was a plane crash at WTC2, then there must be errors throughout my paper. Feel free to point them out, and I will make corrections as needed.

I'll pass. This is a dead horse as far as I am concerned. I think I was pretty clear on your video. If you want to post some of what you consider to be your strongest evidence for video fakery, then post it here and we'll see if we can't make sense of what you are seeing for you.

This post has been edited by Aldo Marquis CIT: Nov 24 2008, 02:40 PM

[acebaker]

Aldo, your reasoning is circular. You're right that IF a plane had crashed at WTC2, thousands of people would have seen it. Maybe a hundred thousand. But you mustn't assume this. That is a logical fallacy known as "assuming the conclusion".

What thousand witnesses? What hundred witnesses? What ten? Where is ONE who will talk to me on the record?


The evidence I refer to is the videos. I've posted the evidence for video compositing here:

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....showtopic=15544

[acebaker]

Sorry Aldo, David Handschuh was on the South side of the South Tower, on West Street. He was looking up at the tower, camera in hand. He did not see nor photograph an airplane.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lmMZQFRzFY

"The South Tower just exploded. It just . . . it just blew up. And someone said, 'that was a plane'. I was underneath it, I was looking at the tower, I had my camera in my hand, I heard heard the noise, but I never saw the airplane."

- David Handschuh

Your quote from Handschuh saying he photographed the airplane is a perfect example of how the psy-op works. Because the "airplane" became a "fact", and was shown over and over again on TV, Handschuh came to believe he saw something, and even photographed something, that he never saw and that he never photographed.

I have several other examples of documented 9/11 false memories.

[acebaker]

(IMG:http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z13/AmandaReconwith/DavidHandschuh.jpg)

You say he was in a position, but it appears that he is on the exiting side of the tower/plane.

Yes, Aldo! The Handschuh photo certainly DOES look like the EXITING side of the tower! That's because it is exploding outwards. Unfortunately, we are supposed to believe this was the side of the tower the plane went INTO.

This post has been edited by acebaker: Nov 24 2008, 08:20 PM

[Aldo Marquis CIT]

Aldo, your reasoning is circular. You're right that IF a plane had crashed at WTC2, thousands of people would have seen it. Maybe a hundred thousand. But you mustn't assume this. That is a logical fallacy known as "assuming the conclusion".

What thousand witnesses? What hundred witnesses? What ten? Where is ONE who will talk to me on the record?

No you must assume this, because it is logical and it is factual. People were staring up at a burning tower. People with names were reported as seeing an airplane.

I gave you a list of people who saw the plane. Now contact them.

Record them to document your process you are already on the record being told to F off and you might take that some type of admission, but if you went in telling them you don't believe a plane hit the south tower you are going to piss them off because they saw the plane hit the south tower. Do not take that as validation.

I am not going to watch your videos. I have seen the no plane video productions and to entertain them is absurd.

Personally I do believe the whole 'no plane' campaign is a disinfo operation so I generally do not trust anyone who promotes it. I think it is designed to affect or offset what they did that Shanksville and the Pentagon which were the ACTUAL brazen acts of deception. The more you talk about it the more it alllows the scumbag debunkers and ops to connect it to us or anyone doing genuine onsite investigating into the two brazen events. And judging by your appearance on Hardfire it made you quite the easy target for debunking and ridicule which affect the 9/11 Truth Movement's credibility overall. And the more sophisticated and slick you are in your attempts to keep the no plane debate going, the more I don't trust you.

This post has been edited by Aldo Marquis CIT: Nov 25 2008, 11:37 AM

[Aldo Marquis CIT]

Sorry Aldo, David Handschuh was on the South side of the South Tower, on West Street. He was looking up at the tower, camera in hand. He did not see nor photograph an airplane.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lmMZQFRzFY

Your quote from Handschuh saying he photographed the airplane is a perfect example of how the psy-op works. Because the "airplane" became a "fact", and was shown over and over again on TV, Handschuh came to believe he saw something, and even photographed something, that he never saw and that he never photographed.

I have several other examples of documented 9/11 false memories.

Oh please. Don't talk to me about psy-ops because you are either involved in one or are a "useful idiot" in one.

Right, I got the wrong location. I wasn't sure to begin with. Frankly, I don't care where he was because I was confident he at least heard it even if he was on the impact side.

Did ya miss this part, Ace?

I had my camera in my hand, I heard heard the noise, but I never saw the airplane."

He heard it, he didn't see it and by the time he looked up and got his camera ready to shoot, it had already exploded into the building.

HE MISSED THE PLANE ACE!!!

It happens. He is human.

This post has been edited by Aldo Marquis CIT: Nov 25 2008, 11:34 AM

[Aldo Marquis CIT]

Yes, Aldo! The Handschuh photo certainly DOES look like the EXITING side of the tower! That's because it is exploding outwards. Unfortunately, we are supposed to believe this was the side of the tower the plane went INTO.

That is not what I meant and that is NOT proof. I simply thought he was on the exiting side based on the location of the other tower. I got that wrong and conceded it as unimportant as it is.

HE HEARD THE PLANE, ACE!

[Aldo Marquis CIT]

LIEUTENANT MURRAY MURAD FDNY

"I ran downstairs. No sooner did I run downstairs and look up, that I saw the second plane strike the south tower."