How Easy Would It Be To Fake Fdr Data?, News Flash - No Plane Hit Pentagon Options

[ogrady]

I would like someone who has expertise in this area to answer.

Flights 77 and 11 were not scheduled to fly on 911. I am weary of discussing that no plane hit the Pentagon - for me, that's an established fact.

Why to we accept NTSB FDR data as legitimate? ALL other government agencies/news sources have consistently lied and faked data and computer animations to support their false conspiracy theory. If we believed any of that nonsense, we wouldn't be on this forum today.

Why do we discuss as fact FDR data for a non-scheduled flight that didn't hit the Pentagon? Wreckage, films, everything - ALL A LIE!

My point, once more - since 77 DIDN'T hit the Pentagon, what sort of data is being analyzed?

[painter]

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Why to we accept NTSB FDR data as legitimate?
. . .

To paraphrase Tonto, "Who do you mean by we, white man?"

Who here "accepts the NTSB FDR data as legitimate?" What we do accept is that the data is from a government source and that this data does not support and, in fact, contradicts both the official and commonly believed account of what happened at the Pentagon. Period. A lot of work has gone into showing that it is NOT credible, that it is contradictory on its face: That the data itself proves that it could NOT have been found in the Pentagon rubble -- and yet we are told that it WAS and that it DOES support the official claims. What we have here is take-it-to-the-judge proof of a cover-up -- a cover-up emanating from agencies of the US government.

[Sanders]

...what sort of data is being analyzed?

OFFICIAL data. That's the whole point.

Ditto what painter posted.


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[rcane]

I would like someone who has expertise in this area to answer.

Flights 77 and 11 were not scheduled to fly on 911.

Question: How do we know those flights were not scheduled on that day?

I've heard this before, but no one ever posts a source.



I know how it would be determined, but I want to hear what you all have to say.

[Christophera]

How Easy Would It Be To Fake Fdr Data?

I would like someone who has expertise in this area to answer.

I cannot say I have expertise in this area specifically. Generally I have some knowledge that can be applied.

I can say that the people that build, maintain and repair the FDR definitely have a "test bed" with a computer controlled array of devices that simulate exactly the output of the many sensors on the plane that transmit flight data.

How else could you calibrate an FDR?

There are only 2 basic parameters that must be met. Each type of data has a range of measurement and a specific order that its sample elements are recorded. The "test bed" would first supply the data during a flight simulation, then test each data file for proper data order and each data element for proper range or fidelity after the flight test.

There would be many different data banks of past flights recorded and each element of them would be something that could be used to make up a mock flight for electrical input to an FDR that needed to be tested. Any variety could be combined and then some files could quite easily constructed to test ranges out of those encountered in normal flight to simulate equipment failures and the recorders ability to track them.

This post has been edited by Christophera: Aug 8 2008, 12:26 PM

[Leslie Landry]

"Flights 77 and 11 were not scheduled to fly on 911."

Im very curious to this as well. I have tried to dig for this information and have not come to any conclusions as of yet.

It shall be my mission for the day (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Leslie Landry]

Well..this is what i have found so far.

Wikipedia Has had an edit from American Airlines Incorporated saying that these two flights were NOT scheduled to fly on sept 11, 2001.


"* Two American Airlines [[aircraft]] were [[hijack]]ed and crashed during the [[September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack]]: [[American Airlines flight 77|Flight 77]] (a [[Boeing 757]]) and [[American Airlines Flight 11|Flight 11]] (a [[Boeing 767]]). Although these flights were daily departures before and a month after September 11, 2001. Neither flight 11 nor 77 were scheduled on September 11, 2001. The records kept by the Bureau of Transportation Statistics (www.bts.gov/gis/) do not list either flight that day."

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=p...;oldid=50132865



Wikipedia Edit from:
From ARIN

OrgName: American Airlines Incorporated
OrgID: AMERIC-112
Address: P.O.Box 619616
Address: MD 5308
City: DFW Airport
StateProv: TX
PostalCode: 75261
Country: US

NetRange: 144.9.0.0 - 144.9.255.255
CIDR: 144.9.0.0/16
NetName: AANET
NetHandle: NET-144-9-0-0-1
Parent: NET-144-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Assignment
NameServer: DNS-P1.SABRE.COM
NameServer: DNS-P2.SABRE.COM
NameServer: DNS-P3.SABRE.COM
NameServer: DNS-P4.SABRE.COM
Comment:
RegDate: 1990-10-31
Updated: 2002-06-27

RTechHandle: OG60-ARIN
RTechName: Gelbrich, Orf
RTechPhone: +1-817-931-3145
RTechEmail: orf.gelbrich@aa.com

OrgTechHandle: ZW72-ARIN
OrgTechName: WARIS, ZISHAN
OrgTechPhone: +1-817-967-1242
OrgTechEmail: zishan.waris@aa.com

This post has been edited by Leslie Landry: Aug 8 2008, 04:47 PM

[Sanders]

L.L., I have heard this before. Thanks for the verification (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/yes1.gif) (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif)

[Leslie Landry]

L.L., I have heard this before. Thanks for the verification (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/yes1.gif) (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif)

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[Christophera]

Well..this is what i have found so far.

What an interesting tidbit. About the time we learn who did the stock "puts" we'll probably find out something more on this.

[ogrady]

Thanks, Leslie. There are numerous other references I can list if anyone's interested.

My next question is (for those familiar with airline procedures) if a flight is NOT SCHEDULED, how then does someone decide to schedule it? How would passengers and hijackers buy tickets for a not scheduled flight? (It was really short-sighted of the 'hijackers' to just go to the airport and hope they could be ticketed on a non-scheduled flight.) Who would make this kind of decision? Is there any precedent for this? I personally doubt it, but would like a definitive answer.

[Leslie Landry]

Thanks, Leslie. There are numerous other references I can list if anyone's interested.

My next question is (for those familiar with airline procedures) if a flight is NOT SCHEDULED, how then does someone decide to schedule it? How would passengers and hijackers buy tickets for a not scheduled flight? (It was really short-sighted of the 'hijackers' to just go to the airport and hope they could be ticketed on a non-scheduled flight.) Who would make this kind of decision? Is there any precedent for this? I personally doubt it, but would like a definitive answer.

From my understanding and correct me if i am wrong..is that the flights were still ongoing but the planes 11 and 77 were not to fly that day and it was supose to be some other planes taking the flights. I could completly wrong about this tho.

I think its kind of funny that these two flights, 11 and 77 were not scheduled to fly this day and the other two flights, united 93 and 175 remained active until sept 2005. flight 11 and 77 are noted as reason for cancellation is due to being being destroyed. and United 93 and 175 reason for cancellation where again, they were not cancelled until 2005 states that it was just Cancelled.

[dMz]

There are numerous other references I can list if anyone's interested.

Hi ogrady,

I think many here would be interested in as many of those sources on unscheduled flights [and passenger manifests too] as possible. Is it in the Thompson's Complete 9/11 Timeline either online or in the book? (I've got a copy of that excellent book, but not with me right now).

[ogrady]

Here are some other references to support the non-existence of these flights:

Serendipity
http://www.serendipity.li/wot/aa_flts/aa_flts.htm

Rense:
http://www.rense.com/general68/911h.htm

Daily Kos:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/25/92620/6237

And from Check the Evidence, Shure places a phone call to BTS to confirm:
http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/inde...3&Itemid=60

Go down to near the bottom of the page to listen to the call.

The point I am trying to make here is that these two flights did not exist on that day, so we should all stop talking about them as if they did. These two flights are the original NO PLANES.

We can continue with the passenger list anomalies. Here's an interesting article from the Truth Seeker, in case you haven't read it:
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=7199

[Christophera]

Here are some other references to support the non-existence of these flights:

Serendipity
http://www.serendipity.li/wot/aa_flts/aa_flts.htm

Rense:
http://www.rense.com/general68/911h.htm

Daily Kos:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/25/92620/6237

And from Check the Evidence, Shure places a phone call to BTS to confirm:
http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/inde...3&Itemid=60

Go down to near the bottom of the page to listen to the call.

The point I am trying to make here is that these two flights did not exist on that day, so we should all stop talking about them as if they did. These two flights are the original NO PLANES.

We can continue with the passenger list anomalies. Here's an interesting article from the Truth Seeker, in case you haven't read it:
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=7199

This to me is a very human side of 9-11. A big mystery wrapped up in a tragedy, which may or may not be as big as we think in some ways.

My point is this. I pretty much know a supersonic cruise missle hit the pentagon. Now, ........ I don't normally argue anything with the five thing, because of mind controlled government witnesses, but hard evidence and reports from the surrounding community well indicate the sound barrier was broken seconds before the impact.

Nuff about what hit the five thing.

My question is, what happened to the plane and the people? Another, complete story with it's own implications, twice, flight 93 too perhaps.

Yippee, another mystery, ........... and the truth movement can't even figure out what happened to 2, 1,350 foot towers in front of dozens of cameras of all types.

This post has been edited by Christophera: Aug 25 2008, 01:15 AM