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American 77 Flight Path In 3d, Flight Path Based On Descent/Bank Angles

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rob balsamo

Aug 3 2007, 08:16 AM

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American 77 Flight Path version2 - In 3D

08/03/07 - Three Dimensional view of American 77 Flight Path according to data provided by the National Transportation Safety Board. Removing altitude and NTSB northern plot data as a variable (see http://pilotsfor911truth.org/pressrelease.html for more information), we use the "impact point" as point of origin working outwards based on heading, descent angles and bank angles to analyze if the data can account for the physical damage path. Please see Pandora's Black Box - Chapter Two for in depth analysis of complete data provided by US Govt Agencies who claim was generated by the aircraft which struck The Pentagon on September 11, 2001.

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UnderTow View Member Profile	Aug 3 2007, 10:43 AM Post #2
Group: Respected Member Posts: 1,421 Joined: 28-August 06 From: Virginia, USA Member No.: 19	cross posted at LCF and LibertyForum

Cary View Member Profile	Aug 3 2007, 02:44 PM Post #3
Ragin Cajun Group: Respected Member Posts: 3,691 Joined: 14-August 06 From: Baton Rouge, LA Member No.: 5	Damn good stuff Rob. Outstanding. I'll cross post this at a couple of forums today.

LizzyTish View Member Profile	Aug 3 2007, 02:51 PM Post #4
Group: Respected Member Posts: 1,362 Joined: 8-November 06 Member No.: 215	Downloaded it and went and rated it! Now I have to find some time to watch it.

lunk View Member Profile	Aug 3 2007, 10:30 PM Post #5
Group: Administrator Posts: 4,983 Joined: 1-April 07 Member No.: 875	Beauty.

maturin42 View Member Profile	Aug 3 2007, 11:34 PM Post #6
Group: Core Member Posts: 607 Joined: 18-February 07 From: Maryland, USA Member No.: 633	Great work, Rob.

garylc1 View Member Profile	Aug 4 2007, 04:59 AM Post #7
Group: Newbie Posts: 40 Joined: 5-April 07 Member No.: 895	I downloaded google sketchup and got discouraged too guick. You did an excellent job. How could anyone not see the inconsistencies in the NTSB report. How do you figure they forged or built a flight data recorder report. Oh well not my line of work.

lunk View Member Profile	Aug 4 2007, 11:06 AM Post #8
Group: Administrator Posts: 4,983 Joined: 1-April 07 Member No.: 875	QUOTE (garylc1 @ Aug 4 2007, 03:59 AM) How do you figure they forged or built a flight data recorder report. Good question. I've been wondering the same thing.

SwingDangler View Member Profile	Jan 21 2008, 02:43 PM Post #9
Group: Private Forum Pilot Posts: 154 Joined: 1-March 07 From: Indiana Member No.: 711	Do you think CIT's investigation of the White Plane correspond to this line of investigation? Could the White Plane's black box been substituted for the "hijacked" plane's black box? Perhaps the CSV file from the white plane was altered to give a southern approach? Just a couple of my thoughts trying to correspond the need of a white plane with a supposed hijacked plane.

dMz View Member Profile	Jan 21 2008, 03:31 PM Post #10
Group: Global Mod Posts: 5,019 Joined: 2-October 07 From: USA, a Federal corporation Member No.: 2,294	I too have been wondering how long it would take a relatively experienced aircraft technician to "yank" an FDR and/or CVR out of an airplane's tail... I have found pretty good agreement with the PLA (The Plains, VA) USAF RADES primary radar data and the alleged AA77 FDR TAS & GS velocities however. The GIB (Gibbsboro, NJ) primary and OCA (Oceana, VA) primary and Mode C RADES data and the AA77 FDR Computed Airspeed (CAS) tell considerably different stories though... Exactly how many "AA77's" were there again? Of course, a data "hot link" could probably write sequential data from a "specially prepared" laptop in the back of a truck en route to the Pentagon as an FDR's orange paint was being "conditioned." Wasn't the alleged AA77 FDR "found" under cover of darkness in the smoking Pentagon around 3 A.M. on Wed. 9-12-2001?

rob balsamo View Member Profile	Jan 21 2008, 04:00 PM Post #11
Group: Admin Posts: 9,745 Joined: 13-August 06 Member No.: 1	QUOTE (dMole @ Jan 21 2008, 02:31 PM) Wasn't the alleged AA77 FDR "found" under cover of darkness in the smoking Pentagon around 3 A.M. on Wed. 9-12-2001? http://pilotsfor911truth.org/FDR_location_091607.html http://pilotsfor911truth.org/location_2.html

morninscott View Member Profile	Apr 10 2008, 09:34 AM Post #12
Group: Student Forum Pilot Posts: 8 Joined: 14-January 07 From: bizzaro world Member No.: 446	Hi everyone, I've been flying the 767 for the last 8 years and just wanted to fill you in on something I tried on my last sim exercise. Having a half hour left at the end of our exercise I asked if I could try a high speed Intercept????????? 460+ Kts into a ground structure.......I must say even I was surprised at how difficult the a/c was to handle in ground effect......(considerable force required, up to full down control deflection to maintain level flight with the a/c very easily overcontrolled in all axes)........From 12 miles at 3000' I could not stabilise the a/c in level flight to (strike my target), I had to pull up and give it another go and then only struck the target with a considerable rate of descent in the final stages. All this CONVINCES me that Hani could NOT fly this 757 as described, and any experienced pilot could only achieve this at considerably slower speeds than we saw on Sept 11. Just my 2 cents worth... and can I say what a great info site this is...KEEP UP THE FIGHT BOYS AND GIRLS! Cheers! This post has been edited by morninscott: Apr 10 2008, 09:36 AM

painter View Member Profile	Apr 10 2008, 11:14 AM Post #13
∞* M E R C U R I A L *∞ Group: Respected Member Posts: 5,870 Joined: 25-August 06 From: SFO Member No.: 16	QUOTE (morninscott @ Apr 10 2008, 06:34 AM) . . . I must say even I was surprised at how difficult the a/c was to handle in ground effect......(considerable force required, up to full down control deflection to maintain level flight with the a/c very easily overcontrolled in all axes)........From 12 miles at 3000' I could not stabilise the a/c in level flight to (strike my target), I had to pull up and give it another go and then only struck the target with a considerable rate of descent in the final stages. All this CONVINCES me that Hani could NOT fly this 757 as described, . . . and any experienced pilot could only achieve this at considerably slower speeds than we saw on Sept 11. . . . Welcome to the forum morninscott!

Truthseekers View Member Profile	Apr 10 2008, 07:05 PM Post #14
Group: Respected Member Posts: 405 Joined: 15-October 06 From: Outside the sheep pen. Member No.: 66	Simply phenominal!

FacilitateTruth View Member Profile	Aug 6 2008, 03:11 PM Post #15
Group: Student Forum Pilot Posts: 3 Joined: 6-August 08 Member No.: 3,754	Rob- I downloaded the high-quality file twice on two different computers and they both say there are errors in the file. While extracting them, it says there is an extraction error. This was the case on a mac and my PC. Has anyone gotten that to work? thanks, FT

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