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Explosives at/in the Pentagon?, Split from Missile Evidence thread

DoYouEverWonder
post Mar 20 2009, 02:00 PM
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QUOTE (F34RInc @ Mar 20 2009, 07:47 AM) *
Long time 911 official story non believer first time poster for this forum, I found the pilots for 911 from imho some very good videos on youtube. I've given up trying to find good evidence about the WTC being faked because I cant find any so Ive moved my focus onto the Pentagon and I going through my "911 Folder" when this caught my attention.



Does anyone else notice anything funny?



The foam trucks from Reagan were on the scene within minutes of the explosion. Once they put that foam down, the fires go out just about instantly. The collapse of the wedge was not cause by fire, that's for sure. Maybe that's why they conveniently claimed another plane was coming in? Making everyone evacuate, when poof the wedge caved in.
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QUOTE (DoYouEverWonder @ Mar 20 2009, 12:00 PM) *
The foam trucks from Reagan were on the scene within minutes of the explosion. Once they put that foam down, the fires go out just about instantly.

This is a point that is hardly ever discussed- the Reagan National DCA truck. Was there only one? For some reason people seem to forget that airport trucks, crews, and foam are trained and designed specifically to put out aircraft [fuel] fires. Even if there was an as-yet to be conclusively-identified "AA77" at the Pentagon, wasn't the proper equipment there within minutes (from about 2-5 miles away)? I seem to recall the Arlington County FD being there later- I would need to review the Action Report that I have posted over in the research section.

EDIT: AAR at post #23
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....&p=10765721

Intro to Aviation Firefighting
http://www.fireservice.co.uk/articles/aviation.php

Heavy Airport Fire Trucks
http://www.zadar-airport.hr/en/protupozarna-zastita.php

Kidde National Foam
http://www.kidde-fire.com/utcfs/Templates/...d%3D465,00.html

UK Civil Aviation Authority Research Initiative
http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?cati...il&nid=1621

Some patents found in a quick search (the dates weren't listed with the numbers, but I can look up more if needed):

Fire fighting-foam producing module
Document Type and Number: United States Patent 4037664

AIRPORT RUNWAY FIRE-FIGHTING SYSTEM AND APPARATUS
Document Type and Number: United States Patent 3583637
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post Mar 20 2009, 03:59 PM
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Arlington AAR
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At 9:37 a.m., in Arlington County, Captain Steve McCoy and the crew of ACFD
Engine 101 were en route to a training session in Crystal City, traveling north on
Interstate 395. Their conversation about the World Trade Center attack earlier
that morning was interrupted by the sight and sound of a commercial airliner in
steep descent, banking sharply to its right before disappearing beyond the
horizon. At the same time, ACPD Corporal Barry Foust and Officer Richard Cox,
on patrol in south Arlington County, saw a large American Airlines aircraft in a
steep dive and on a collision course with the Pentagon.
At 9:38 a.m., American Airlines Flight #77 crashed into the west side of the
Pentagon, just beyond the heliport. It was traveling at a speed of about
400 miles per hour, accelerating with close to its full complement of fuel at the
time of impact.
The destruction caused by the attack was immediate and catastrophic. The
270,000 pounds of metal and jet fuel hurtling into the solid mass of the
Pentagon is the equivalent in weight of a diesel train locomotive, except it is
traveling at more than 400 miles per hour. More than 600,000 airframe bolts
and rivets and 60 miles of wire were instantly transformed into white-hot
shrapnel. The resulting impact, penetration, and burning fuel had catastrophic
effects to the five floors and three rings in and around Pentagon Corridors
4 and 5. (See detailed graphics in Appendix 4.)
This act of evil cost the lives of 189 persons in the Pentagon attack, 184 innocent
victims, and the 5 terrorist perpetrators of the criminal attack.

---------------------------------
Pages A-4 to A-7 (of Annex A)

SECTION 1: INITIAL RESPONSE
Observations


The only thing special about the morning of September 11, 2001, was the
spectacular fall weather across the Washington Metropolitan Area. In Arlington
County, the 67 firefighters and emergency medical technicians of the fire
department’s “B” shift were staffing the county’s 10 neighborhood fire stations.
By 8:30 a.m., training classes at the Arlington County Fire Training Academy
were in full swing. Other ACFD personnel were engaged in meetings in the
District of Columbia, preparing for the upcoming International Monetary Fund
(IMF) conference. Several Arlington County chief officers were at a countysponsored
management class at the Fairlington Community Center. At 8:45
a.m., when American Airlines Flight #11 slammed into the north tower of New
York City’s World Trade Center, it was abundantly clear this would be a day like
no other. At 9:06 a.m., United Airlines Flight #175 crashed into the World Trade
Center’s south tower, revealing the true nature of this unprecedented horror. A
brutal, mind-numbing terrorist attack was under way against the United States.
In Arlington County, Captain Steve McCoy and the crew of Engine 101 were
en route to a training session in Crystal City, traveling north on Interstate 395.
Their conversation about the World Trade Center attack was interrupted by the
sight of a commercial airliner in steep descent, banking sharply to its right before
disappearing beyond the horizon. At 9:38 a.m., shortly after American Airlines
Flight #77 disappeared from sight, a tremendous explosion preceded a massive
plume of smoke and fire. Unable to pinpoint the precise location, Captain McCoy
immediately radioed the Arlington County Emergency Communications Center
(ECC), reporting an airplane crash in the vicinity of the 14th Street Bridge or in
Crystal City. Aware of the World Trade Center attack, Captain McCoy also
advised that the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) should be notified, since
this was a possible terrorist attack. Hearing the radio message, fire and rescue
units from Arlington County and elsewhere began to respond, self-dispatching
from stations or diverting from other destinations.
At 9:38 a.m. on September 11, only one fire crew, Foam 161 of the Fort Myer
Fire Department, knew the exact location of the crash site. Captain Dennis
Gilroy and his team were already on station at the Pentagon when Flight #77
slammed into it, just beyond the heliport. Foam 161 caught fire and suffered a
flat tire from flying debris. Firefighters Mark Skipper and Alan Wallace were
outside the vehicle at impact and received burns and lacerations. Recovering
from the initial shock, they began helping victims climb out of the Pentagon’s
first floor windows. Captain Gilroy called the Fort Myer Fire Department,
reporting for the first time the actual location of the crash.

Section 1: Initial Response Fire Department Operations
After-Action Report Page A-5


[photo: Fort Myer Foam 161.]
Help was already on the way from several directions as units sped toward the
source of the smoke plume, not toward a specific street address. ACFD Truck
105 reached the scene first, followed shortly by fire and medical units from
several Arlington County stations.
[photo: Smoke billows from the Pentagon.]

Section 1: Initial Response Fire Department Operations
Arlington County Annex A
After-Action Report Page A-6


In the meantime, at the FBI Washington Field Office (WFO), Special Agent-in-
Charge (SAC) Arthur Eberhart was putting in motion the steps necessary to
support New York City. Of WFO’s four senior leaders, he was the only one
present at headquarters that morning. Upon learning of the World Trade Center
crashes, SAC Eberhart activated the WFO Command Center. Members of the
WFO National Capital Response Squad (NCRS) were paged and instructed to
report immediately to headquarters. Supervisory Special Agent (SSA) Jim Rice,
the NCRS leader, was at the FBI WFO Command Center on the telephone with
Mr. Larry Cirutti of the Military District of Washington (MDW) at the Pentagon
when a monitored District of Columbia police radio transmission reported an
explosion at the Pentagon. Mr. Cirutti told SSA Rice a helicopter must have
“slid off the helipad” into the building. Special Agent Chris Combs, the NCRS Fire
Service Liaison, was teaching a class at the District of Columbia Fire Academy
when he received his page. While en route to the WFO Headquarters, he heard
a news report of the Pentagon attack and proceeded directly to the Pentagon.

Meanwhile, at the Metropolitan Washington Airports Authority (MWAA) Fire
Department at Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport, Captain Michael
Defina was investigating an incident at Terminal B when he heard the impact and
saw the smoke rising in the distance. He called Fire Communications and was
advised of a report of a Boeing 757 crash off the end of Runway 1-19. That was
quickly amended, identifying the Pentagon as the crash site. The MWAA
contacted the Arlington ECC and was directed to respond to the Pentagon. They
did so with substantial resources: a rescue engine, two foam units, two mass
casualty units, a mini-pumper, and a command vehicle. Because MWAA has
authority to respond automatically to an airplane crash within 5 miles of the
airport, two heavy rescue units had already self-dispatched to the Pentagon.
ACFD’s Training Officer Captain Chuck Gibbs reached the incident site within the
first 3 minutes, followed by Battalion Chief Bob Cornwell, who assumed initial
Incident Command responsibilities. Those duties were quickly assumed by
Assistant Fire Chief for Operations James Schwartz, who assigned Battalion Chief
Cornwell, a 35-year veteran firefighter, to lead fire suppression efforts inside the
building. Captain Gibbs commanded the River Division. Special Agent Combs
arrived moments after Chief Schwartz. The partnership between Chief Schwartz
and Special Agent Combs, who served as FBI agency representative to the
Incident Commander, proved invaluable in the days ahead.

ACFD Captain Edward Blunt also arrived at the Pentagon within minutes of the
crash and assumed EMS Control. He immediately contacted the ECC. Captain
Blunt requested and immediately received a separate EMS operations channel.
He also asked for 20 medic units, 2 buses, and a command vehicle (EMS
Supervisor Vehicle 112) to support the EMS response. Captain Blunt designated
the field adjacent to Washington Boulevard (Route 27) as the treatment area,
and asked the Arlington County Police Department (ACPD) patrol units onscene
to clear Washington Boulevard to create north and south access for emergency
response traffic. Captain Alan Dorn arrived shortly after Captain Blunt, and was

Section 1: Initial Response Fire Department Operations
Arlington County Annex A
After-Action Report Page A-7


assigned as Triage Officer. Together, Captains Blunt and Dorn began working
with military medical personnel who volunteered to help set up triage areas.
Initially, medical units staged in the Pentagon South Parking Lot, adjacent to
Route 110, until called forward to the EMS sector on Route 27. By 9:50 a.m.,
six ACFD EMS units had already arrived at the incident site (M-102, M-104,
M-105, M-106, M-109, and M-110). M-101, Engine 103, and an ACFD Reserve
Medic Unit quickly joined them. Two additional ACFD Reserve Medic Units
(RM-111 and RM-112) arrived next and were directed to provide EMS support at
the Pentagon’s Center Courtyard.

At 9:50 a.m., the ECC advised Captain Blunt that Virginia Hospital Center -
Arlington, Inova Fairfax Hospital, and Washington Hospital Center were prepared
to accept as many victims as needed.
The first ACFD personnel had arrived at the Pentagon within 2 minutes of the
attack. ACFD and mutual-aid medical personnel began aiding victims
immediately. Within 4 minutes of the attack, the ACFD had established its
command presence. MWAA fire and medical units were on the scene and the
first contingent of the FBI’s NCRS had arrived within 5 minutes of impact. Three
major Washington Metropolitan Area hospitals were ready to receive injured
victims 12 minutes after the attack. By 10:00 a.m. on September 11, most of
the ACFD duty shift was engaged at the Pentagon.
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post Mar 20 2009, 04:18 PM
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Before the "debunkaz" show up with their "but, but what about the thousands of gallons of fuel" business, I suppose I had better post these links to collapsible fuel tanks. How big of a collapsible tank would one like? You can find "pillow tanks" from 100 to 50,000 gallons here:

http://store.interstateproducts.com/all_ta...dOhx_qA#sizecap

http://store.interstateproducts.com/all_ta...CFRwwawodOhx_qA

Helicopter tank on sling
http://store.interstateproducts.com/images...34Pa38Ta38Nchn0

Pillow tank on stand
http://store.interstateproducts.com/images...34Pa38Ta38Nchn0

Fuel Storage Bladders
http://store.interstateproducts.com/all_ta...34Pa38Ta38QbNr0

Onion Tanks
http://store.interstateproducts.com/onion_...34Pa38Ta38Nchn0

Fitting for flexible fuel bladder
Document Type and Number:
United States Patent 5755425

Abstract:
Disclosed is a fuel bladder having a flexible bladder wall with a fuel out aperture in which a tubular penetration body extends through the aperture and an interior flange on the tubular penetration abuts the interior side of the flexible bladder wall. A tubular valve connection member is superimposed over the fuel outlet aperture such that its outer peripheral surface abuts the inner peripheral surface of the tubular penetration body. A washer and a lock nut are positioned over the tubular penetration member to press the fuel bladder wall against the tubular penetration member interior flange. An O-ring seal is positioned between the proximate surface of the tubular penetration body and the interior side of the bladder wall. Another O-ring seal is positioned adjacent the outer peripheral surface of the tubular penetration body and the exterior side of the bladder wall.

http://www.google.com/patents?id=D-MbAAAAEBAJ&dq=5755425

Patent number: 5755425
Filing date: Jun 20, 1996
Issue date: May 26, 1998
Inventor: Victor J. Marolda
Assignee: The United States of America as represented by the Secretary of the Navy

U.S. Classification
251/144; 251/148; 285/139.2; 383/96

International Classification
F16L 2900; F16K 5100
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QUOTE (dMole @ Mar 20 2009, 02:28 PM) *
This is a point that is hardly ever discussed- the Reagan National DCA truck. Was there only one? For some reason people seem to forget that airport trucks, crews, and foam are trained and designed specifically to put out aircraft [fuel] fires. Even if there was an as-yet to be conclusively-identified "AA77" at the Pentagon, wasn't the proper equipment there within minutes (from about 2-5 miles away)? I seem to recall the Arlington County FD being there later- I would need to review the Action Report that I have posted over in the research section.



There was certainly at least one foam truck there before the collapse.




It looks like they're running two line from one truck?

I do know that if your community/airport is lucky enough to have one of these trucks, they will send it out for any fire involving fuel or chemicals. I got to watch them put out an asphalt truck a few years ago.

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That is an interesting photo DYEW. It appears to be one of the Geoff Metcalf photos (which I think we should inspect much closer as a collection).

I have found that one can "see through" the dust/smoke a little more clearly when inspecting the color (or B&W) "negative" of a photo. Notice where the 3 groups of flame (now blue or blue/green) appear to be centered in this inverted image of the one you just posted for example:

http://flickcabin.com/public/view/25539
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QUOTE (dMole @ Mar 20 2009, 05:00 PM) *
That is an interesting photo DYEW. It appears to be one of the Geoff Metcalf photos (which I think we should inspect much closer as a collection).

I have found that one can "see through" the dust/smoke a little more clearly when inspecting the color (or B&W) "negative" of a photo. Notice where the 3 groups of flame (now blue or blue/green) appear to be centered in this inverted image of the one you just posted for example:

http://flickcabin.com/public/view/25539



Here's another one from before the collapse, that I messed with the color balance to be able to 'see' more of the structure.



If the fire was inside the building, then the dark areas have to be the parts of the structure that were still intact after the explosion, except for the tree trunk, of course. If there was a 90' wide hole and a passenger jet on fire, the red glow should extend at least half way across the pic, with very little blocking it.

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I felt in the picture I posted on the bottom of the 1st page showed what looks like molten metal.
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No one has ever debunked Gallops claims.




QUOTE
Converging Lines of Proof of a 9:32 Violent Event at the Pentagon on September 11, well before the Official Story says anything hit the building:

Multiple standard-issue, battery-operated wall clocks on the walls of the area of the Pentagon attacked on 9/11 -including one in the heliport just outside the west face- were stopped between 9:31 and 9:32−1/2 by a violent event, almost certainly a bomb or bombs inside the building and/or in a truck or construction trailer parked right outside the west face. The first Associated Press report, in fact, stated that the Pentagon had been damaged by a "booby trapped truck." The Navy posted the stopped heliport clock on an official website and another of the stopped clocks is in the 9/11 display at the Smithsonian Institution.[2] These are just some of the west section Pentagon clocks that stopped between 9:31 and 9:32−1/2 on September 11.

April Gallop, an Army employee with a Top Secret clearance, was at her desk in the Army administrative offices in the west section of the Pentagon on 9/11, the area of the building most heavily destroyed, when what she said sounded and felt "like a bomb" went off. "Being in the Army with the training I had, I know what a bomb sounds and acts like, especially the aftermath, and it sounded and acted like a bomb. There was no plane or plane parts inside the building, and no smell of jet fuel." Ms. Gallop still has the watch she was wearing that morning, which stopped shortly after 9:30.

The FAA’s [Federal Aviation Administration] timeline document "Executive Summary-Chronology of a Multiple Hijacking Crisis--September 11, 2001" reads: "0932: ATC (Air Traffic Control) AEA reports aircraft crashes into west side of Pentagon."[3] The time is the critical fact here, not the claimed cause. ..."[/color]

"...I have interviewed an Army auditor from Ft. Monmouth, New Jersey, who was on temporary duty assignment at the Pentagon before, on and after 9/11. He was in the Army financial management spaces only minutes before the Pentagon explosion on the morning of 9/11. He had just returned to his temporary office on the ground floor of the adjacent south side of the Pentagon by the cafeteria when he heard an explosion and felt the building shake. Immediately afterwards, he said, hundreds of panicked Pentagon personnel ran by him down the corridor just outside his office and out the South Entrance, yelling "Bombs!" and "A bomb went off!" The witness has requested that his name not be used in this summary, but is willing to testify to a grand jury or independent official investigation. ..."

"...Even Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld told Sam Donaldson in an ABC News interview shortly after 9/11 that he first thought a bomb had gone off in the building. Donaldson: "What did you think it was?" Rumsfeld: "A bomb? I had no idea..."

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos...tack_papers.pdf
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QUOTE (F34RInc @ Mar 21 2009, 03:07 AM) *
I felt in the picture I posted on the bottom of the 1st page showed what looks like molten metal.


Molten metal would be flowing. This is standing still against open windows. It looks like regular and not very intense fires to me.
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QUOTE (dMole @ Feb 24 2009, 07:38 AM) *
High pressure HE blast could be used to "modify" those,,,


I'm sorry if this is one of those obvious things, but what exactly is "HE" in the above context? I was reading other web pages today and read the same thing presuming it was 'High energy'.


No passenger plane caused the damage to the Pentagon. The findings from this site alone show this, from the flight data review to the non-biased witnesses to the north flight path. A magicians trick, while you watch the right hand the left is doing magic.
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QUOTE (SlackerSlayer @ Apr 13 2009, 03:34 AM) *
I'm sorry if this is one of those obvious things, but what exactly is "HE" in the above context? I was reading other web pages today and read the same thing presuming it was 'High energy'.

High Explosive.

http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/HE
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Has anyone tried doing a scientific analysis of the early moments of the Pentagon Explosion from the
Pentagon Security video ?

Some points I have noticed

The smooth profile of the explosion suggests a high explosive was employed.
The near perfect symmetry of the explosion also suggestive of a high explosive.
Not to mention the smell of cordite verified by at least three witnesses.
The brightness of the explosion also suggestive of a high explosive.
Typically aircraft explosions produce dark black smoke whereas missile and high explosives produce
a grey smoke indicating higher temperatures were present.

check out this post which has some pictures comparing air plane crashes, pentagon explosion and
a missile explosion....
http://www.911oz.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=4319

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