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Firefighter: Giuliani 'ran Like A Coward On 9/11', Before the Towers Fell?

Timothy Osman
post Jan 23 2008, 07:04 AM
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http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Firefighter_...rd_on_0122.html

This Firefighter says our hero was running the wrong way, half an hour before any collapse. I find this to be strange behavior for someone in a position of authority since no steel framed skyscraper had ever previously or subsequently collapsed from fire.
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post Jan 23 2008, 07:19 AM
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Wouldn't surprise me in the least. Since 9/11, he has painted himself as a hero. Everything he says relates to 9/11 in some way. The truth often ends up being the total opposite of what we have been told.
Does anyone know his exact whereabouts at that time?


ETA/ Even wiki is blank on where he was during the attacks, and yet there is a lot written on everything else about that day...
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Hi Georgie,

According to the mayoral monster himself on the Channel 2 news, he was at "75 Barclay Street... with the Police Commissioner, Fire Commissioner, and the head of Emergency Management" and at a "secure location in mid-town" after being "trapped inside a building for 10-15 minutes."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hNmf76GUCw&feature=related

Longer version, see around 0:30 to 1:30
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKHLok-RVNw

EDIT: the "Office of Emergency Management (OEM)" was the entire 23rd floor of WTC7 as I recall...

See also:
http://www.wnbc.com/politics/13404578/detail.html

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/attack/giuliani.html

http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/guardi...wtc/WTC_ch7.htm

EDIT2: This might be important info:
http://www.leadingauthorities.com/16525/Joseph_Lhota.htm

"The New York Times called Joe Lhota "a calm voice for a combative Mayor." From 1998 until December 31, 2001, Lohta served as the chief operating officer of New York City and played a crucial role in the City's impressive and steadfast response to the tragic events of September 11, 2001.

At his desk in City Hall on the morning of the attacks, Lhota heard the explosions and immediately rushed to the World Trade Center to meet Mayor Rudolph Guliani, to assess the damage, and to help direct emergency efforts. As the Mayoral team arrived, a second plane was approaching the south tower. Taking refuge at 75 Barclay Street, an office building just north of the twin towers, they made their way below ground to safety and eventually to a command post to help speed assistance to the victims.

As the man responsible for overseeing all of the operating agencies of New York City, Joe Lhota was an indispensable member of the team that made New York a symbol of hope and American fortitude in the face of the first attack on the United States since Pearl Harbor. Working with the police and fire departments, the business community, medical professionals, federal officials, and ordinary citizens, Lhota and members of the Mayor's team established a model of emergency response.

Lhota also played a key role in responding to the real human needs of the New York tragedy. He provided comfort to the families of the victims and directed efforts to help them.

Prior to his appointment as Deputy Mayor by Mayor Giuliani, Lhota served as the City's Budget Director and, before that, Finance Commissioner. He was responsible for the successful development of the City's successive years of record-setting surpluses."

EDIT3: Ghouliani at the 2004 Republican National Convention:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/artic...-2004Aug30.html

" And I will always remember that moment as we escaped the building that we were trapped in at 75 Barclay Street, and I realized that things outside might actually be worse than inside the building.

We did the best we could to communicate a message of calm and hope, as we stood on the pavement watching a cloud come through the cavernous streets of lower Manhattan. "

I can't seem to find any maps or photos of this presumably demolished "75 Barclay Street" address...
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An OFFICIAL source that SHOULD BE MIRRORED:

http://www.ops.fhwa.dot.gov/opssecurity/ca...s/nycprelim.htm

"Under the coordination of the New York Police Department (NYPD), the Port Authority, MTA and the NYC DOT quickly implemented procedures to close all the bridge and tunnel crossings into Manhattan. New York and New Jersey police began the process of closing interstates with major access points into New York City. The FAA ordered the Port Authority to close all New York City airports.

TRANSCOM, a coalition of 16 transportation and public safety agencies in the New York metropolitan region, began the process of alerting other agencies of the status of facilities and providing updated transportation information to agencies all along the Northeast Corridor. As facilities were closed, agency personnel began performing vulnerability assessments of their own facilities.

While New York City transportation agencies had individual and regional emergency response plans in place, no one had planned for an attack of the magnitude of September 11. In addition to the loss of key emergency response and transportation personnel who worked in the command center, the transportation and communications networks in Lower Manhattan sustained substantial damage. The World Trade Center served as the major intermodal transportation hub for Lower Manhattan. The Cortlandt subway station and the PATH World Trade Center station were both severely damaged during the collapse of the Twin Towers. Communications hubs for Verizon, TRANSCOM, and the Port Authority as well as the MTA’s fiber-optic network were all located either within or in close proximity to the World Trade Center. All of these were totally or partially destroyed, severing communications during the first few hours after the attack. This hindered the ability to communicate internally and externally during the first few critical hours.

Adding to the confusion in the first hour was the fact that several emergency controls centers, including the City’s, FEMA’s and the Port Authority’s, were located in the World Trade Center complex. At 9:00 a.m., 14 minutes after the first plane crashed into the World Trade Center, city officials activated the city’s OEM Emergency Operations Center at 7 World Trade Center. After hearing a voice on police radio and a second blast three minutes later, New York City OEM abandoned its 7 World Trade Center offices. The OEM found functioning phones at a Merrill Lynch office on 75 Barclay Street, about 1 block from 7 World Trade Center. OEM staff set to work immediately getting the White House on the phone and contacting other key members of the command team.

As the south tower of the World Trade Center collapsed at 10:05 a.m., the OEM fled its temporary Merrill Lynch location as the area became engulfed in dust, dirt and debris. They next set up command at a fire station in West Village, about a mile north of the Merrill Lynch location. After about an hour, lack of desks and insufficient space forced the team to leave the fire station in search of larger quarters.

Around 11:00 a.m., the New York City OEM moved its command center to the 6th Floor Library of the New York City Police Academy on 20th Street, about a mile north of the West Village location. Police Department technicians began running replacement phone lines into a few essential offices inside the NYC OEM makeshift command center at the Police Academy.


The Port Authority initially tried to set up a control center in the Marriott Hotel adjacent to the World Trade Center but they quickly had to abandon that site because of its proximity to the attack. After that they moved to an interim center in Jersey City from which they could communicate with Port Authority facilities and the City’s OEM."

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post Jan 23 2008, 10:01 AM
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Quote from recent Bollyn's article (http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=117351)
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Jerome Hauer, however, is best known for being the director of the OEM when he made the decision to build a $13 million crisis center on the 23rd floor at 7 World Trade Center. This bizarre crisis center was unveiled in June 1999, and became the subject of tension between the agency and the Police Department, whose own command center at 1 Police Plaza had until then been the focus of emergency preparedness operations.

Jerome M. Hauer, who has strong family connections to the State of Israel, built the bizarre crisis center for the Office of Emergency Management in Larry Silverstein's WTC 7, the 47-story tower which was demolished by explosives in the afternoon of 9-11

As the first director of the new crisis center, "one of Hauer’s first tasks was to find a home for an emergency command center to replace the inadequate facilities at police headquarters," according to the Times.

Reports indicate that the OEM crisis center at the World Trade Center was not being used on 9-11 by the usual personnel. The center had been temporarily relocated to Pier 92 on Manhattan’s West Side, due to a FEMA drill which was supposed to begin on the day after 9-11, according to statements made by Mayor Giuliani.

So who was in the OEM center in Larry Silverstein's building on 9-11? That's the question the needs to be answered.
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post Jan 23 2008, 10:12 AM
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QUOTE (dMole @ Jan 23 2008, 07:49 AM)
" And I will always remember that moment as we escaped the building that we were trapped in at 75 Barclay Street, and I realized that things outside might actually be worse than inside the building.

We did the best we could to communicate a message of calm and hope, as we stood on the pavement watching a cloud come through the cavernous streets of lower Manhattan. "

I can't seem to find any maps or photos of this presumably demolished "75 Barclay Street" address...
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75 Barclay st. looks to be the building just next to WTC7 http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=cs&geoc...524,-74.009851- -so why they would set the command there when just across the street was that reinforced Hauer's OEM? dunno.gif
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post Jan 23 2008, 11:10 AM
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"...I realized that things outside might actually be worse than inside the building."

So was only "the [North Tower] building" hit then, Rudy?

Looking at the following NYC/FDNY website,

http://gis.nyc.gov/doitt/cm/CityMap.htm;js...3C9B1B5FA98A332

http://www.nyc.gov/html/fdny/html/home2.shtml
>Residents > City Map

I suspect that Rudy most likely set up at the following "West Village" firehouse/station, but I'm no New Yorker.

Battalion 2 Engine 24 Ladder 5, 227 Sixth Avenue

Some other possibilities:
Battalion 1 Engine 7 Ladder 1, 100 Duane St
Ladder 8, 14 North Moore Street
Squad 18, 132 West 10 Street
Battalion 7 Engine 3 Ladder 12
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Thanks for that first link dMole (and your continued worthwhile efforts on technical stuff).

I found this nearby:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOeNUax-gaw&feature=related

That's the same Jeff (or Geoff) Hill of the Boeing calls, yes?

Very interesting dMole. That is the second time today I have come across mention of US Army 'psyops', called in by CNN prior eh? Very interesting.
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QUOTE (dMole @ Jan 23 2008, 07:49 AM)
EDIT: the "Office of Emergency Management (OEM)" was the entire 23rd floor of WTC7 as I recall...

Specially reinforced and with armoured glass windows at great public expense not long before the events in question. So why was he not in there? Should have been proof enough against the light shrapnel that hit WTC7. But then we all know why he could not admit to being in there as events unfolded and why it then had to come down. WTC1 and 2 collapses were controlled from within and then evidence of that control had to be crushed and then shipped out two-six (that being an old RN saying for as quick as possible).

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post Jan 23 2008, 02:30 PM
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From the Lohta page I linked above:

"Taking refuge at 75 Barclay Street, an office building just north of the twin towers, they made their way below ground to safety and eventually to a command post to help speed assistance to the victims."

Scurrying underground like rats... What does Rudy's 2004 RNC "the building" quote mean exactly?

I was raised by men who once hunted rats at the county dump/landfill weekly. I see tracks of AT LEAST 3 VERY LARGE NYC rats listed above...
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This story has always interested me. It is dated 8 October 2001.

http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/sept11/features/5270/

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On the morning of September 12, Richard Sheirer, director of the mayor's Office of Emergency Management, was scheduled to conduct a biological-terrorism drill in a cavernous commercial warehouse on the Hudson. Known as tripod -- short for "trial point of distribution" -- the exercise was to test how quickly Sheirer's staff could administer treatments at the kind of ad hoc medical centers that would be set up all over the city in the event of an actual attack. For an audience, Sheirer had lined up Mayor Rudy Giuliani, the police and fire commissioners, and representatives of the FBI and the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA). He had hired over 1,000 Police Academy cadets and Fire Department trainees to play terrified civilians afflicted with various medical conditions, allergies, and panic attacks. He had even arranged for a shipment of 70,000 M&Ms to be delivered and divided by color into medical packets representing different prophylactics and vaccines. But the M&Ms never arrived.

On the morning of September 11, Sheirer got to City Hall at 8 a.m. for a meeting about the Jackie Robinson-Pee Wee Reese memorial planned for Coney Island. "I was in heaven, sitting between Ralph Branca and Joe Black," he remembers. "We were about to select the statue, and then we heard the pop." At first he thought a transformer had exploded in an underground substation. Then he got a flash report from Watch Command in OEM headquarters.

As his driver barreled down Broadway, Sheirer recalls, "my first move was to clear the streets so we could get emergency vehicles in and people out." He radioed the police department and told them to shut down traffic below Canal Street and close every bridge and tunnel in the city.

Down at the scene, he joined Fire Commissioner Tom Von Essen and his chiefs Pete Ganci and Bill Feehan -- old friends from Sheirer's 26 years with the New York Fire Department. They were establishing a command post at the base of the burning tower. Then the second airplane hit. "At that point there was no more doubt," he says ruefully. "We were under attack." He picked up one of the three cell phones strapped to his belt and started giving orders: to the Coast Guard to seal the harbor, and to the State Emergency Management Office to send backup search and rescue teams and get the Pentagon to freeze the city's airspace. Then he lost his signal.

As Sheirer helped move the Fire Department command post, he saw a cloud of smoke and debris engulf his own command center, on the twenty-third floor of 7 World Trade Center. His staff was inside sending alerts to representatives of nearly 100 organizations -- everyone from Con Edison to the Department of Health. One of his deputies radioed him to report that the OEM would have to evacuate.

Minutes after they arrived at Barclay, the second tower collapsed. "It was a tremendous whoosh, roaring like a train in a tunnel," Sheirer remembers. The doors were jammed with piles of debris, but a janitor led the mayor and his commissioners out through the basement. Their cars were crushed, so they trudged uptown to a firehouse at Houston and Sixth Avenue.......


Sheirer clearly states that the OEM was evacuated because it was on fire. But in all other "official" accounts, it was evacuated because of fears a third aircraft was coming. There seemed a determined effort to evacuate WTC7 as quickly as possible.

We also have the notorious Barry Jennings story (http://www.record-eagle.com/2001/sep/11scene.htm) :-

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After the initial blast, Housing Authority worker Barry Jennings, 46, reported to a command center on the 23rd floor of 7 World Trade Center. He was with Michael Hess, the city's corporation counsel, when they felt and heard another explosion. First calling for help, they scrambled downstairs to the lobby, or what was left of it. "I looked around, the lobby was gone. It looked like hell," Jennings said. 


There is much more on Jennings here

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/entity....arry_jennings_1

and indications that the OEM was evacuated around the time that Sheirer indicates - soon after the second plane hit.
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Order of the British Empire

Knight Commander KBE

The former mayor of New York, Rudolph Giuliani, has received an honorary knighthood from the Queen for the role he played in the wake of the 11 September attacks.

Mr. Giuliani arrived at the Palace flanked by former New York police commissioner Bernard Kerik and former New York fire commissioner Thomas von Essen, who also received honorary CBEs.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1817333.stm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrbjJrLVBRk

I FEEL SICK!
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Hello elreb,

Your post ties into jadenter's Original 13th Amendment post too and looks like an actionable cause to me. Any thoughts here from Culper721?

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum...post&p=10640746

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I tend to believe Jennings story more than the others.

Sir Rudy? thumbdown.gif I hope they will let him wear the sash and crown in prison.

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Speaking of Jerome Hauer, director of the OEM…he was also the managing director at Kroll Associates that controlled security at WTC and also worked at the National Institute of Health where the Anthrax issue came from.

The OEM in 7 WTC was built and wired by the same British owned AMEC that rebuilt Wedge 1 of the Pentagon (twice). They also helped in the cleanup/coverup in both areas.

GREAT!
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QUOTE (elreb @ Jan 24 2008, 06:17 AM)
Speaking of Jerome Hauer, director of the OEM…he was also the managing director at Kroll Associates that controlled security at WTC and also worked at the National Institute of Health where the Anthrax issue came from.

The OEM in 7 WTC was built and wired by the same British owned AMEC that rebuilt Wedge 1 of the Pentagon (twice). They also helped in the cleanup/coverup in both areas.

GREAT!

Aye!

Two more of those too many coincidences of that day.
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QUOTE (dMole @ Jan 23 2008, 07:31 PM)
Hello elreb,

Your post ties into jadenter's Original 13th Amendment post too and looks like an actionable cause to me.  Any thoughts here from Culper721?

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum...post&p=10640746

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So, Rudolph Guileannie should not even be running for President, or any other national office.

Why is he keeping his powder dry until the Florida primaries? What is set to happen before we get there I wonder?

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QUOTE (elreb @ Jan 24 2008, 06:17 AM)
Speaking of Jerome Hauer, director of the OEM…he was also the managing director at Kroll Associates that controlled security at WTC and also worked at the National Institute of Health where the Anthrax issue came from.

Marvin Bush has a number of connections to 9/11 including sitting on the boards of security companies; director of the company providing electronic security for WTC (and Washington Dulles airport which also had a key role that day) namely Sucuracom/Stratesec until that day, this latter fact mentioned in Barbara Bush’s own autobiography. There are also links to a reinsurer for the WTC and a flight training company connected to Mohammed Atta.

It so happens that a Bush cousin Walt D Walker III was CEO of Sucuracom/Stratesec from 1999-2002.

Why did a driverless car crush Marvin Bush's live-in babysitter on September 29th and why did The Washington Post sit on the story for a week?

The article which follows originally came from Mike Ruppert’s From The Wilderness Site

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/index.html

but I have not been able to locate it now despite searching on key words like Bertha Champagne and Wayne Madsen. I am aware that there is one contributor here who treats Ruppert with caution.

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MARVIN BUSH EMPLOYEE'S MYSTERIOUS DEATH – Connections to 9/11?

Washington Post Sits on Story for a Week

by Wayne Madsen

(Special to From The Wilderness)

© Copyright 2004, From The Wilderness Publications, www.fromthewilderness.com. All Rights Reserved. May be reprinted, distributed or posted on an Internet web site for non-profit purposes only.

October 10 , 2003, 1200 PDT, (FTW) -- WASHINGTON, At around 9 PM on September 29, Fairfax County, Virginia police responded to a 911 call describing an accident. However, they soon discovered they were not dealing with a routine emergency but the mysterious death of an employee of the 47-year old brother of President George W. Bush, venture capitalist Marvin Bush. Sixty-two year old Bertha Champagne, described as a long time "baby sitter" for Marvin and Margaret Bush's two children, son Walker, 13, and daughter Marshall, 17, was found crushed to death by her own vehicle in a driveway in front of the Bush family home in the Alexandria section of Fairfax County. Champagne reportedly lived at the Bush family home.

Champagne had left the residence to retrieve something from her car, which police say had somehow been left in gear. According to the police report, the car rolled forward and pinned the woman between it and a small building next to the driveway (possibly a checkpoint built by the Secret Service when Marvin's father, George H. W. Bush, was president). The car crossed Edgehill Drive, a small street in front of the Bush compound. The vehicle then crossed a busy two-lane street, Fort Hunt Road, finally coming to rest in a wooded area across the street that adjoins the prestigious Belle Haven Country Club. No explanations have been offered as to why the vehicle did not move until Champagne was in a position to be crushed.

Champagne was pronounced dead on arrival at Inova Mount Vernon Hospital. Courtney Young, a spokesperson for the Fairfax County police was surprised when asked about the circumstances surrounding Champagne's death. She indicated the media was primarily focused on another Fairfax County story, the kidnapping and holdup of the wife of New Hampshire Senator Judd Gregg on October 7. More mystifying is the fact that the Washington Post waited almost an entire week to publish the story about the baby sitter's death. The incident occurred on September 29, but the Post did not report it until October 5 and buried it on page 3 of the Metro section. Nevertheless, the Washington Post was the only media outlet to cover the story at all. Young said police still did not know the exact cause of Champagne's death.




(Champagne's car pinned her against the security structure on the right)

Young said the police had posted the incident on its web site in a press release, although the report makes no mention of Marvin Bush. It reads:

A 62-year-old Alexandria area woman died after being pinned between a rolling car and a building.  The crash happened on Monday, around 9 pm, near the intersection of Fort Hunt Road and Edgehill Drive.  Bertha Champagne had gone outside to get something from a car in a driveway.  The car, which was left in gear, began to roll forward.  Champagne was pinned between the car and a small building next to the driveway.  The car continued to roll down the driveway, crossed Fort Hunt Road, and came to rest in a wooded area.  Champagne was taken to Inova Mount Vernon Hospital where she was pronounced dead. 

The press release is dated September 30 at 1330 (1:30 PM), some sixteen and a half hours after the incident occurred. The police were well aware of Marvin Bush's controversial role in serving on corporate boards for companies associated with the 911 terrorist attacks, however, they emphasized that Champagne's death was merely a quirky accident and no foul play was involved.

According to two articles in the Progressive Populist written by Margie Burns, from 1993 to 2000, Bush served on the board of Securacom (since renamed Stratesec). The chairman of the board of Stratesec is Wirt D. Walker III, a cousin of Marvin and George W. Bush. Securacom had contracts to provide security for Dulles International Airport (the airport from which American Airlines Flight 77, which crashed into the Pentagon, originated) and the World Trade Center in New York. Securacom's backers include a number of Kuwaitis through a company called KuwAm Corp (Kuwaiti-American Corp.). Stratesec also has Saudi investors. Walker also serves as a managing director of KuwAm, which maintains offices within the Watergate complex along with Riggs Bank, on whose board Bush's uncle, Jonathan Bush, sits. Saudi Princess Haifa al Faisal, the wife of Saudi Ambassador to the US Prince Bandar, used a Riggs account to funnel money to Omar al Bayoumi and Osama Basnan, two Saudi students in California associated with two of the 911 hijackers.

Until November 2002, Bush served on the board of HCC Insurance Holdings, Inc. (formerly Houston Casualty Company), a re-insurer for the World Trade Center. Bush still serves as an adviser to the firm. Walker serves as chief executive officer of Aviation General, an aircraft company backed by KuwAm. Aviation General, formerly Commander Aircraft, brokered the sale of airplanes to the National Civil Aviation Training Organization (NCATO), located in Giza, Egypt, the hometown of lead hijacker Mohammed Atta. NCATO is the only civilian pilot training school in Egypt. NCATO has a training agreement with Embry-Riddle University in Daytona Beach, Florida, the flight school that was investigated by the FBI for possibly training at least one of the 911 hijackers.

A Houston businessman who worked closely with the Bush family over the years confided that Marvin Bush and Wirt Walker appear to have taken over the Saudi real estate investment and aircraft brokerage business once run out of Texas by Houston-based James Bath in association with Salem bin Laden, the late brother of Osama bin Laden, and Khalid bin Mahfouz. The source, who has dealt personally with the Bush family in Houston for a number of years, said there should be skepticism when looking at bizarre deaths like that of Champagne. The source speculated that Champagne might have happened upon some sensitive information the Bush family wanted kept secret.

Some observers wondered if Secret Service agents might have been able to assist Champagne when her car pinned her. According to the Secret Service in Washington, the agency only provides protection to presidential siblings if an Executive Order authorizes such action. A Secret Service spokesperson emphasized there is no current Secret Service protection for Marvin Bush. However, there remains a question why private security agents posted at the Bush compound could not have responded to Champagne's distress.

There are also questions concerning Champagne's actual place of residence. According to the Post story, Bush told police that Champagne resided at their compound, However, a phone call to the directory-listed residence of Bertha Champagne in Franconia, Virginia resulted in Mrs. Champagne's son answering the phone. He confirmed that his mother lived at the Franconia address but he was clearly uncomfortable and nervous in talking to the media about the circumstances surrounding his mother's death.


The search on Wayne Madsen turned up reports on another possibly 9/11 linked death, of John J. Kokal:

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/112003_kokal.html
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Kokal's and Kelly's deaths look a LOT like Frank Olson's to me. Probably BZ (with a little PCP and methamphetamine to make things "interesting") instead of LSD this time, though (it's much stronger).

http://www.frankolsonproject.org/

http://www.crimemagazine.com/olson.htm

Looks like the PNAC crew has gone back to the old Cold War playbook to me.

This post has been edited by dMole: Jan 24 2008, 01:37 PM
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