Life After Death! Options

[Tamborine man]

Horrub = Horus.



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[Tamborine man]

Noh = Nut.


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[Tamborine man]

Shunut = Sut.

Hotep's fire-spirit.



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[Tamborine man]

Rha = Re.



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Rha's multi-radiating Star-sun,

and all-seeing eye.

This post has been edited by Tamborine man: Jun 26 2010, 03:20 AM

[lunk]

Sun, fire, wings,

Why am i thinking of the Phoenix?

[Tamborine man]

Sun, fire, wings,

Why am i thinking of the Phoenix?

"Mu", "Atlantis", "Khuum" -

the best and the noblest

from these first civilizations -

all rising from the ashes!!

Yes indeed, why not!

Its about time - me thinks.

Let us once again become

'civilizes'.

The sooner the better.

Please.

Cheers

[Tamborine man]

Here follows the incarnation account of Fatis:


“…….
JOTA AND RAMES
The old Egyptian’s account
Spoken by the spirit FATIS.

FATIS speaks.

Five thousand years before the highest Pyramid of the Pharaohs gazed out
upon the yellow waste of the sand-sea, thousand of years before your crucified
god beheld the radiant eye of Horus, Fatis lived in the fertile valley of the Nile,
in the holy city of Memphis.

Pharaoh and Fatis, royal brothers, the Uraeus serpent adorning their brow,
born of the same mother, at the same time beheld the radiant eye of Horus.
Pharaoh and Fatis hated each other.
Pharaoh ruled over the fertile valley of Egypt.
Fatis did not bow to the laws of Pharaoh.
Fatis followed his own laws.

The wife of Fatis, Nefert the Egyptian, lazy and proud, did not please the heart
of Fatis.
Neferts slave, Uto the Nubian, lithe and dark like the night sky of Isis, pleased
the longing heart of Fatis.
Fatis sinned.

Nine months Horus travelled his daily course from east to west across the
heavenly arch; then Rames the son of Fatis and Uto beheld the radiant eye of
Horus for the first time.
The Uraeus serpent adorned his dark brow.
Nefert was angered.
Uto trembled.
Uto was disowned.
Soon the gentle waves of the Nile cradled the lifeless body of Uto.
The slaves of Fatis found Uto by the bank of the Nile, covered by the white
leaves of the Lotus flower.
Fatis grieved.

Four of the Nile valleys fertile years passed; then Fatis met the beautiful wife
of Pharaoh, Helena Mirjam the Greek, for the first time.
Helena Mirjams look, gentle as the pale light of Isis, Helena Mirjams golden
locks, radiant like Horus, pleased the heart of Fatis..
Fatis beheld.
Fatis loved.
Helena Mirjam and Fatis loved each other.
Together they walked the bank of the Nile, together they cradled upon the soft
waters of the Nile, together they picked the holy flower of Egypt, the white
Lotus.
Helena and Fatis sinned.

Nine month Horus again travelled his daily course from east to west across the
heavenly arch.
Then Jota the daughter of Helena Mirjam and Fatis, beheld the radiant eye of
Horus for the first time.
The Uraeus serpent adorned her brow.
Pharaoh beheld.
Pharaoh understood.
The Pharaohs dagger sat deep in the loving heart of Helena Mirjam.
Helena Mirjams gentle, Isis-pale eyes closed.
Pharaoh grieved.
Fatis despaired.

Jota and Rames, beloved children of Fatis, were raised in the holy temple of
Memphis.
Isis and Osiris watched over the motherless children of Fatis.

Seventeen of the Nile valleys fertile years passed; then Fatis desired to tie the
bond of love between Jota and Rames, beloved children of Fatis.
Rames, the warrior, proud like Fatis, dark like Uto the Nubian, loved Jota.
Jota, beautiful like Helena Mirjam, with Isis-dark locks, with Horus-radiant eyes,
did not have the gentle heart of Helena Mirjam.
Jota hated and despised Rames, the dark warrior, son of the Nubian.
Imploringly Jota raised her hands toward Isis and Osiris, praying to be delivered
from the hated embraces of Rames.
Isis and Osiris veiled their sight.

Deep in her heart Jota swore vengeance.
In the folds of her garment Jota gathered the leaves from the red, odourless
flower.
Jota pressed the sap from the leaves, drop by drop, into Rames’ cup of
Welcome.
Jota and Rames met in the entrance hall of the temple.
Tall, with the Uraeus serpent draped around the proud brow, with the Lotus
flower by her cold heart, Jota offered Rames the cup of welcome.
In silence Rames lay outstretched.
Fatis was angered.
Fatis hurled the cup toward the bowing brow of Jota.
In silence – in the entrance hall of the temple – the lifeless bodies of Jota and
Rames lay outstretched.
Osiris received Jota and Rames in the high heaven.
Fatis beheld.
Fatis despaired.
Fatis’ guilt was great.

Thousands of years have passed.
Memphis, the holy city of the Egyptians, is still not erased from the bosom of
the Nile valley.
The holy temple of the Pharaohs, sank.
The yellow waste of the sand-sea covers the broken columns of the temple, the
broken stones of the temple.

Thousands of years Fatis followed Jota and Rames on their journey through many
countries of the earth.
Fatis atoned for his guilt.
Jota and Rames, beloved children of Fatis!
Fatis beheld much Joy, Fatis beheld much sorrow; the sorrow overshadowed the joy.

Fatis followed Jota and Rames to the Nordic country.
Then came the day of reconciliation.
Jota and Rames gave the hand of reconciliation.
Fatis repended.
Jota and Rames forgave.
Jota and Rames, beloved children of Fatis!
Fatis is jubilant:
Your God on high made the wave of the ether-sea erase the guilt of Fatis.

Isis and Osiris be with you!
The radiant eye of Horus be over you!
Fatis follow you.

After a moments rest, was added:

Fair woman from a Nordic home!
Your thoughts are too faint, your words too poor to translate that, which Fatis
beheld in the ether-sea.
Still, Fatis is glad.
Fatis has spoken.
Fatis bows.
Fatis send greetings.

6th. December 1910.
Séance in private circle.
Produced through clairaudience.
Medium: Bettina.
…….”


"To truly understand the content of the above, it should just be added to what
partly appear from the account itself, and partly later is conveyed, that Jota
and Rames at that time was incarnated as members of the seance-circle
mentioned above. Thus, Fatis talks to "his beloved children" on earth.
One sense his jubilation when one understands, that it is his efforts through
10000years which now has been crowned with luck, as it is first in this their
incarnation that he have been successful in transforming to love that hatred
he created amongst them, when he formerly would force a relationship
between them, of which there was no natural basis for.
Cruelly he acted, and great was his guilt, as he says himself. But hard has he
payed the penalty, by being the spiritual leader for the son Rames, and together
with Helena Mirjam, as the spiritual leader for the daughter Jota, through 10000
years to work for the expiation and reconciliation between those two.
It is said that the mother of Rames, Uto the Nubian, at the time of the account,
was incarnated as the sister to Rames, who, when he became aware of this, first
then understood why he always had felt a special connection to this particular sister."


Cheers

PS!

The previous comments regarding the translations,
applies here as well!

This post has been edited by Tamborine man: Jun 27 2010, 07:11 AM

[GroundPounder]

maybe the thread should be: 'life instead of death' ?

[Tamborine man]

Ok,

Sometimes it takes me awhile to catch up.

What do you and Joseph Robert Jochmans have in common?

So sorry elreb, completely forgot to reply to this post!

Have just looked up mr. Jochman and saw his "Atlantis rising" magazine.

Looks interesting, but it seems he's also into aliens from outer space, so

i wonder if he would be interested in reading the descriptions of 'Atlantis'

here!!

Might send him an e-mail to draw his attention to this thread anyway!

Thanks for the lead, elreb and

Cheers

[Tamborine man]

maybe the thread should be: 'life instead of death' ?

Like your suggestion Groundpower,

and i think all good and thoughtful people around the world will easily
sympathize with that one also.

But i choose the other line primarily because there's still a considerable
number of people who have been sucked in to believing what they have
been told by the 'scientists': that when you're dead you're bloody well
dead!!

Silly immature "beliefs", when there's overwhelming evidence to the
contrary available to any true honest seeker of Truth.

Hope this thread add positively to already existing informations on this
very important subject; and also hope it will open the eyes of some
'scientists' to the total absurdity and insanity of the continues manufacture
of more and more sophisticated means to kill each other in bloody wars!

Cheers

[Tamborine man]

If you fear the Truth,

Then you might as well fear Love also.

What's the difference??

[lunk]

Being afraid, has never really helped me,
though, it may have kept me out of trouble.

Being brave, on the other hand,
has helped me, and any trouble,
becomes just another challenge,
that can be overcome, creatively.

[Tamborine man]

Being afraid, has never really helped me,
though, it may have kept me out of trouble.

Being brave, on the other hand,
has helped me, and any trouble,
becomes just another challenge,
that can be overcome, creatively.

What can i say, Lunk.

You have a very beautiful way of putting things into true perspective.

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[Tamborine man]

Here is a short explanation of how the incarnation accounts came about,
written by the husband of the Lady through whom the accounts was conveyed.

A fourth account mentioned from India will follow in next post:


".......
Incarnation accounts

At a séance of our circle in late November. 1910, a spirit who gave his name as Fatis, made contact with us. He told us that around the year 8,000 B.C.
he had lived in Egypt as a royal prince and that two of the members present had been incarnated at that time as his son and daughter. He addressed
himself directly to the two, explaining that he had transgressed gravely against them and had still not obtained their forgiveness for these transgressions.
He had permission to relate now what had happened in those long gone times, whereupon he spoke eloquently of his own and of their lives in the land on
the banks of the Nile, closing his account with a moving plea for their forgiveness.

Unprepared for his presence, none of us thought to write down his words. As we were all deeply moved by his beautifully composed account, we asked if he would repeat it so that we could write it down. He said he would, but since my wife was fatigued after rendering his speech sentence by sentence, he asked, for her sake, to be allowed to postpone the writing until the next meeting.

Fatis kept his promise. At the following séance the beautiful, descriptive words sounded to us again and as quickly as they could, two of the members wrote down the entire speech; and to the best of our judgment, it was an exact rendition of his previous account. (It was published in January 1911, in the periodical, 'Seeker of the Truth'.

At the following meeting another spirit made contact with us, calling himself Kharru. He had been the brother of Fatis at the time Fatis was incarnated in Egypt. Kharru was the Pharaoh then. He said he would describe an episode that had taken place in a civilized realm of the remote past, where he and the two previously mentioned séance members had been incarnated at the same time. This civilization was the precursor of the later Egypt.

Taught by experience, we asked and were at once granted permission to write down his speech.

Kharru then spoke graphically of a catastrophe—a volcanic eruption—that befell and completely destroyed this ancient civilization. (This account was published in the February, 1911 issue of 'Seeker of the Truth'.)

The day after we had received Kharru’s account, we were again visited by the spirit Fatis, who offered to present us some drawings of idols from the realm that had perished. We gratefully accepted his offer.

After several preliminary attempts, he drew, with my wife’s hand, four idols as well as a symbol for the highest deity. The symbol was a large triangle bordered by tongues of fire. Inside this triangle were smaller triangles, symbolizing the all-seeing star-eyes of the deity. One idol that represented a woman sitting with a cobra in one hand, a fan in the other and wearing a headdress in the shape of a throne with a half-moon, seemed familiar to Johanne; but the others were entirely unknown to her. All resembled Egyptian figures to some degree, but their form was not as rigidly stylized. Because Johanne had fallen ill, we did not receive the actual drawings until some time after the preliminary attempts.

These drawings were also published in the February issue of Seeker of the Truth, with an explanation of their origin. We have shown them to many persons but have not yet learned if figures or images similar to them have ever been found. Perhaps they will be one day.

A gentleman of our acquaintance was convinced he had seen at least one of the images, a figure—half lion, half man—with a headdress crowned by a large and by a small fire-spouting crater, and with a tongue of fire issuing from his jaws. But this gentleman’s views conflict with those of a Norwegian lady who visited my wife in the spring of 1916. She was an Egyptologist herself, and assured us that she had never seen any similar reproductions of drawings or figures. However, she felt they could well be prototypes or forerunners of Egyptian art.

Perhaps the future will throw some light on this question.

At a séance in late December 1910, a Spirit named Muribad spoke to us. We had been told at an earlier séance that he was the guardian spirit for one of the members. He addressed himself to a man in the circle, saying they had met in northern India around 1000 B.C and that, ever since, he had tried in vain to obtain forgiveness for the wrongs done this man. He wished to relate what had happened at that time and had come with the permission of the Most High to try, in this way, to obtain the forgiveness he so much desired.

We asked if we might write down his words, but we immediately felt that our request pained him, and the answer came hesitantly. He explained that the moment was so solemn for him that he would much prefer his words not to be written down as he was speaking, but that if he succeeded in achieving his purpose he would attempt to repeat his account at a later séance.

Muribad’s account made, if possible, an even deeper impression upon those present. In exceptionally beautiful language, he vividly recalled the tragic event of so long ago. The individual to whom Muribad spoke naturally remembered nothing of this event, but since he felt no animosity toward the speaker he took this as proof that he had in reality already forgiven Muribad, or could do so when they met in the beyond. Muribad seemed content with these words; in any case, he promised to repeat his story later.

Not until February 14th, 1911, was he able to fulfill his promise, since the illness that had befallen my sister’s husband, Mr. Lindahl, occurred shortly after Muribad first gave his account, thus postponing further séances for a time.

When our séance circle re-assembled, we considered the possibility that Muribad would not be able to keep his promise, for so much time had passed that it might prove difficult for him to repeat his story identically. But to all appearances his second account was the same, although it seemed to some of us that he passed more lightly over the tragic ending. The first time he seemed to have told it in stronger terms, while now it was as if he drew a veil over the final, horrible scene.

My brother-in-law, Mr. Lindahl, was especially impressed by the close correspondence to his first account that Muribad had achieved, and he took the manuscript and asked if Muribad would be able to continue any sentence chosen at random upon hearing only the opening words? Muribad said he would attempt it. Mr. Lindahl then chose a sentence in the middle of the narrative, spoke the opening words, and Muribad continued to quote a long paragraph, my wife repeating, in the usual manner, word for word what our invisible guest said to her. Muribad’s repetition of the paragraph was identical to that written down.

The experiment was repeated several times. Mr. Lindahl held the manuscript before him and followed each word, sentence by sentence, as Muribad spoke the exact words that had been written down, an accomplishment we all viewed with awe.

We hereby confirm and certify that the experiment with Muribad’s account proceeded as described.

M. Danckert, K. Lindahl, Anna Lindahl

Copenhagen, March 26, 1922

In the chapter that follows, I shall return to Muribad’s account; it is reproduced there exactly as received that night.

If one compares these three incarnation accounts (that may at some be published along with a fourth account from ancient Assyria) one is immediately struck by the apparent similarity of their archaic forms of language, in contrast to the great disparities that exist between modern languages. A closer study will, however, reveal a surprisingly marked difference between the various cultures and their level of civilization. The observant reader will especially notice how Kharru’s fairly stilted rhythm and choice of words contrast with the rich and melodious language of Muribad.
......."


Cheers

[Tamborine man]

Here's Muribad's account as translated by a far more competent
individual than me:

".......

Indian incarnation account

A temple scene from ancient India


Three thousand years before your days lived Muribad in Brahma’s temple.

The temple stood where the waters merge, of holy Ganges and Brahmaputra.

Brahma’s temple was splendid.

Idols of many hues adorned Holy Brahma’s abode—idols graven in wood and in bone.

Golden, glittering ornaments, bright and brilliant stones bedecked the idols.

Within the temple were mighty, many-columned halls, were many small chambers, hung with

woven cloth of velvet.

Brahma’s young handmaidens lived in the small chambers.


Muribad was Brahma’s servant.

Muribad wore the Brahminic robe of white, wore the white band of Brahma about his dark brow.

Muribad was handsome, Muribad was young.

The somberness of the temple, the austerity of the temple, oppressed Muribad’s heart.

Muribad yearned pensively for the land beyond the holy banks of Ganges.

Muribad’s yearnings soared high over the snow-clad Himalayan peaks.

Muribad’s searching thoughts streamed with the swift currents of Ganges and Brahmaputra

toward the unknown depths of the sea.


Muribad led the song of Brahma’s maidens, led their graceful dance.

Foremost in the ranks of the women stood Iriva, Muribad’s beautiful daughter.


For 15 parched summers, Vishnu’s burning torch had shone over Iriva’s glistening locks.

Unknown, was Iriva sent to be the serving maiden of Brahma.

Only the many eyes of Brahma followed Muribad, Iriva’s unknown father.

Muribad was young.

The somberness of the temple, the austerity of the temple, oppressed Muribad’s heart.

Muribad loved.

Muribad loved Iriva, Brahma’s young handmaiden.


Muribad stood high on the temple stairway.

Muribad saw many men in rich attire cross the plain before the temple.

The men stopped at the foot of the temple.

Foremost stood Iphisus, tall and proud.

A white robe cloaked his noble body.

Golden ornaments were hung about his throat, were wound upon his dark brow.

Iphisus’s eyes were kind.

Iphisus’s countenance was noble.

Iphisus bowed. Iphisus spoke:


“Iphisus comes from the land beyond the sea that receives the rushing waters of

Ganges and Brahmaputra.

Iphisus’s father is prince.

The wrath of Brahma is upon Iphisus’s father.

Iphisus journeyed by many toilsome roads to Brahma’s temple.

Iphisus promised to bring the prince water from the holy Ganges.

Iphisus promised to temper the wrath of Brahma.”

Muribad raised his hands.

Muribad spoke:


“Iphisus! Muribad brings you Brahma’s greeting.

Brahma’s being, Brahma’s presence, is within you.

Brahma’s spirit is one with your spirit.

Brahma’s body is one with your body.

Brahma’s life-giving breath is breathed into the smallest part of your body.

Brahma lives, Brahma lives within you.

Iphisus, bow before Brahma!”

Muribad pointed to the temple.


Iphisus strode up the temple steps, he entered the inner temple.

Muribad followed Iphisus to Brahma’s many-headed image.

Iphisus bowed before Brahma.

Brahma promised to temper his wrath.


Muribad followed Iphisus to the temple’s columned halls, to the small chambers

of the temple.

Iphisus saw the beauty of Brahma’s young handmaidens.

Iphisus wished to see the women dance.


Muribad called.

Brahma’s handmaidens gathered in the mighty, columned hall of the temple.

Naked were the maidens’ bodies.

Golden bangles embraced their slender ankles, bangles of gold embraced their supple arms.

Broad golden bands supported their arched bosoms.

The white lotus of the Ganges wreathed their hair.

The folds of their green veils did not conceal the beauty of their bodies; did not conceal their

fiery dark eyes.

Foremost in the ranks of the women stood Iriva, Muribad’s beautiful daughter.


Muribad raised his hand.

The sound of enchanting, alluring song filled the temple hall.

The veils were raised, the veils were lowered, the feet danced over the stone-paved floor.

The bodies swayed softly to the rising and falling song.


Muribad’s yearning eye followed Iriva’s swaying dance.

Muribad’s listening ear followed Iriva’s alluring song.

Iriva’s radiant eye dwelt upon Iphisus’s noble countenance.

Muribad paled.

Muribad’s hands clenched.

Muribad’s eye dwelt upon Iphisus.


The song’s enchanting, alluring melody filled the hall of the temple.

The veils were raised, the veils were lowered, the feet danced over the stone-paved floor.

Wildly, more wildly, the bodies swayed; the bodies swayed softly to the rising and falling song.


Muribad’s eye dwelt upon Iphisus.

Iphisus came closer.

Muribad called.

The singing ceased.

Iriva stood before Iphisus.

Muribad spoke: “The dance is ended. Brahma’s handmaidens go to their chambers.”

The women passed from view behind the rows of columns.


Alone stood Iriva.

Iphisus’s hand rested lovingly upon Iriva’s lowered head.

Iphisus sought Iriva’s radiant eyes.

Iphisus took Iriva’s slender hand.

Muribad came closer.

Iphisus spoke:

“Iriva, come to the land of Iphisus!

Iriva come with Iphisus!

Iphisus loves Iriva!”


Muribad trembled.

Muribad spoke:

“Iriva never go to the land of Iphisus.

Iriva never leave Brahma’s temple.

Brahma’s handmaiden go to her chamber.”


Proudly, Iriva raised her lowered head.

Iriva’s eye flashed Indra’s bolt of anger upon Muribad’s pale countenance.

Iriva turned away.

Iriva bowed before Iphisus.

Iriva spoke:

“Iphisus! Iriva dance for you.

Iriva sing for you.”


Enchanting, alluring song flowed toward Iphisus.

The veil was raised, the veil was lowered, the feet danced over the stone-paved floor.

The body swayed softly to the rising and falling song.


Muribad’s eye dwelt upon Iphisus.

Iphisus’s enraptured eye followed Iriva’s swaying dance.

Iphisus’s listening ear heard Iriva’s alluring song.

The enchanting, alluring melody flowed toward Iphisus.

The veil was raised, the veil was lowered, the feet danced over the stone-paved floor.

Wildly, more wildly, the body swayed; the body swayed softly to the rising and falling song.


Muribad’s eye dwelt upon Iphisus.

Iphisus came closer.

Iriva flung the veil’s green folds upon the stone-paved floor.

Iriva stopped.

Iriva knelt.

Iriva stretched her hands toward Iphisus.

Iriva’s radiant eye dwelt upon Iphisus’s countenance.

Iriva spoke.

“Iphisus! Iriva danced for you, Iriva sang for you.

Iriva go to the land of Iphisus.

Iriva loves Iphisus!”

Iphisus reached gently for Iriva’s uplifted arms.


Indra’s fury flared in Muribad’s trembling heart,

Muribad flung himself at Iphisus.

Muribad’s hands crushed Iphisus’s body, crushed Iphisus’s throat.

Iphisus faltered, Iphisus fell.

Brahma withdrew his life-giving Breath from Iphisus’s body.

Muribad’s wild eyes saw Iriva’s trembling body, saw Iriva’s uplifted hands,

saw Iriva’s deep terror.

Muribad flung himself at Iriva.

Wildly, Muribad crushed Iriva’s trembling body.

Muribad broke Iriva’s beautiful flower.

Muribad’s fierce embrace crushed Iriva’s young heart.

Brahma withdrew his life-giving Breath from Iriva’s body.

Muribad awoke.

Muribad saw Iphisus.

Muribad saw Iriva.

Deep, remorseful terror awoke in Muribad’s heart.

Muribad lifted Iriva in his strong arms.

Muribad strode up the temple steps to the temple’s pinnacle.

Muribad plunged with Iriva deep into the Ganges’ rushing waters.

Brahma withdrew his life-giving Breath from Muribad’s body.


Muribad awoke in Brahma’s high heaven.

Brahma judged.

Brahma’s judgment was stern:

“Muribad took Iphisus’s life; Muribad will follow and protect Iphisus,

follow until Iphisus forgives!”

Muribad bowed.


For thousands of years, Muribad followed Iphisus’s changing lives on Earth.

When Muribad and Iphisus met in Brahma’s high heaven, Muribad offered

Iphisus his hand, Muribad asked Iphisus to forgive.

Iphisus turned away.

“Iphisus never forgive!”


Thousands of years ago, Muribad won Iriva’s loving forgiveness.

Iriva rose to Brahma’s unknown abodes.

Iphisus, follow Iriva!

Iphisus, you have delayed your journey toward the glorious heavens,

hatred bound you.

Iphisus, follow Iriva!

Thousands of years have passed.

Thousands of years have passed from the day when Iphisus and Muribad met by the holy

banks of the Ganges.

Still the rushing waters merge, of Ganges and Brahmaputra, where Brahma’s temple stood.

As the holy Ganges is ever renewed by the hidden springs of Himalaya, so the many days

and years are ever renewed from Brahma’s secret springs of mercy.

Still stream the rushing waters of Ganges and Brahmaputra toward the unknown depths of the sea.

Still stream the many days and years toward the infinite sea of the ether.

Still has Muribad not won the full forgiveness of Iphisus.

Iphisus, forgive!
......."

A further short explanation follows.

Cheers

[Tamborine man]

Here's a few comments added with regards to the above account,
again from the same individual as before:



".......
Some time after I published Greetings to Denmark in 1915, I was visited by an English scientist, a Mr. Havell, who had lived in India a number of years and was acquainted with ancient Indian literature and art. Mr. Havell was interested in occultism, and when he had seen the aforementioned pre-Egyptian drawings he asked if we had received by occult means anything relating to India.

We then gave him a copy of 'Seeker of the Truth', the periodical in which the Indian incarnation account had been published. Mr. Havell seemed interested, but made no comment.

However, a few days later Mr. Havell returned and told us that he had now studied the incarnation account in great detail, and had been surprised to see how “Indian” it was in its entire form and manner of expression. Thus, he said to my wife, among other things, “Even if you had read all the books I have written about India, you would still not have been able to write this. Never have I seen any literature produced outside India as ‘Indian’ as this.”

Mr. Havell then went through the details of the contents with us:

1) The stanzas gave a good impression of the ancient Sanskrit songs of the Brahman priests.

2) Indians regard the triangular piece of land at the confluence of two rivers as holy ground. The place where the holy river Ganges was joined by the Brahmaputra would therefore almost certainly have been especially hallowed.

3) It was known that a Hindu temple had in the remote past stood on the site described in the account.

4) Indian mythology told of a heavenly dancer, Ira, who danced for the gods. The name of the young temple dancer, Iriva, was a correct derivation of the Sanskrit noun “Ira.”

5) The name “Iphisus” (or, more correctly, “Iphisos”, for it was almost certainly a Greek name) indicated that the young prince, “who comes from the land beyond the sea that receives the streaming waters of Ganges and Brahmaputra”, was from Lydia in Asia Minor, which at that time might well have had trade connections with northern India. (In a letter a few days later from Mr. Havell, he wrote that Lydian coins had indeed been found in northern India, though admittedly dating from a time about two centuries later than the time of the account, or in other words, from around 700 B.C.)

6) The spirit of Muribad’s greeting to the young prince was quite in keeping with ancient Brahman religious thought.

7) The description of the women’s dance, their green veils, the golden bangles for their arms, ankles and bosoms was correctly rendered.

8) Since Brahma was the Creator, the sentence: “Brahma withdrew his life-giving Breath from Iphisus’s body”, most appropriately expresses Indian conceptions of this subject.

9) The sentence: “The many days and years still stream to the infinite sea of the ether”, referred to the ancient Indian concept of the ether as a milk-white sea into which the earthly days and years streamed out and were absorbed.

All that Mr. Havell told us was entirely new to both of us. It was naturally of great interest to my wife and to me, since it confirmed that the spiritual intelligence who had given the account did in fact stem from India.

However, Mr. Havell was rather unhappy about the name Muribad. He said that no such name existed in Sanskrit, nor was there any word from which it could have derived. My wife did remember that when the spirit gave his name, she had exclaimed: “I cannot pronounce it the way you do. Do you mind if I call you ‘Muribad’, it sounds almost like that to me?” Since the spirit had accepted this suggestion, we had not pursued the matter.

At Mr. Havell’s request we renewed contact with the spirit in question and asked for further information, including, if possible, the Sanskrit spelling of his name. The spirit replied that he was willing to give his name phonetically but was unable to write it in Sanskrit. The pronunciation was then given as “Myoorivart”.

This result still did not satisfy Mr. Havell. He claimed that the phonetic combination “Myoo” did not exist in Sanskrit, although the name was quite correct in other respects. But the spirit insisted that a “y” sound, however weak, preceded the “oo” sound.

Mr. Havell has since told us that he had learned through a well-known English scholar of Sanskrit that at the time Muribad was presumed to have lived, there was no written form of the Sanskrit language. The name of the Brahman could therefore not be given in Sanskrit characters.

When the spirit gave his name phonetically, he also informed us that remains of the ancient temple could still be found at the place where the Ganges and the Brahmaputra merge; he especially mentioned some steps that were now below the water level.

When we gave this information to Mr. Havell, he believed that he remembered having seen some steps under the water at that place. He had often sailed past, but had never investigated.

I hereby certify that the foregoing material regarding Muribad’s Account is in accordance with the information that I have supplied to Mr. and Mrs. Agerskov.

E.B. Havell

February 2, 1922
......."


A true description of our universe will follow.

Cheers

[Tamborine man]

Please study this drawing carefully.

One of the 4 Mother-Suns depicted as a little black dot,
is one that is responsible for the establishment of our
'milky-way' galaxy.

An explanation will follow tomorrow.


(IMG:http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/5379/dsc01021uo.jpg)

Cheers

PS!

I take it for granted that each and everyone reading this
are in possession of a magnifying glass!!!

This post has been edited by Tamborine man: Jul 4 2010, 09:14 AM

[Tamborine man]

People who fanatically believes in the 'big bang' theory
are kindly advised not to read any further, but to skip this
post all together, as it will do them no good.

Those of you who are blessed with the noble art of 'wonder',
and of the possession of an open mind, are warmly encouraged
to read on:



".......
The fact that God’s children developed in different ways, though all created with equal potential, is due to the distinctive, individual and enigmatic (the hidden) nature of the free will.

The free will, a gift from God to each of His children, is a reflection of His own Will—an abstraction whose innermost and essential nature is known but to God.

Endowed with this free will, some of God’s children pursued a more intellectual development of thought, tried to investigate the cosmic laws and to perfect their knowledge of the endless abstractions of thought, whilst others devoted themselves more to the world of beauty and emotion—to the arts of color, form, of music and poetry and so on.

Thus: although equally endowed from the beginning, God’s children have through the exercise of the free will become essentially different, they have become individualities.



When for eons God’s children had led a life of beauty, glory and joy in their Father’s Kingdom, He saw that they had advanced far enough in their understanding of the mastery of will over thought, and in their understanding of the need to limit the covetousness of the thought according to the ability of the will to make fruitful the thought and carry it into action, that there was a possibility for them all to emerge victoriously from a confrontation with Darkness, He then chose for them a difficult task—that of leading spiritually immature beings forward to full equality with themselves.

The beings God thought to create, He would fashion from the weaker and more material radiations of the Light and in part from His own divine Self.

Through higher or lower frequencies of vibration, both Darkness and the Light can manifest either ethereally or materially to a higher or lesser degree, and can do so both in the transcendental and in the purely earthly sense. In Light as well as in Darkness there exist, as said earlier, extremely fine particles, and the smaller the particles the higher their vibration and the greater their capacity for cohesion and adhesion.

Propagation and death were not intended for these beings. Once created through God’s Thought and Will, they should continue to live in ever-progressing development. This development should not only take place spiritually but also physically, since their bodies through spiritual progress should at the same time gain in radiance and beauty as the various stages on the road to God’s Kingdom were attained. All sin, all impure thoughts would of course be entirely unknown to these children of the Light; for sin, as well as propagation and death exist only in Darkness and in all that it produces. But once having attained to a certain degree of maturity they should be confronted with Darkness in the same way as God’s first children, that they might learn to overcome its power.

God, His Helpers and the first children would make themselves known to the new beings through revelation. All guidance should take place by the help of thought, that is to say, through inspiration and intuition.

To carry out this intention, God first had to provide dwelling places for the beings He had thought to create. Since these beings would be spiritually much weaker than the firstborn of God, they would not be able to sustain an existence in the radiant Light of God’s own Kingdom until through a long process of maturing they became capable of maintaining their individuality, so that on their entry into their Father’s Home they would not risk merging again with their paternal source.

For this reason, God conceived and developed the plan for the four stellar systems or galaxies.

By the power of His Will, God formed the mother suns, causing the ether—the Light and the Darkness precipitated in it—to rotate around four centers of force, borne and held by and in His Thought.

Since the Darkness which is precipitated in the ether has a lower vibrational frequency than the Light, the rotation around the centers of force caused it to collect as a core. This core was surrounded by the Light, which spread outward in vibrations of ever-increasing frequency until there was formed about each center a well-defined globe consisting of a darker core1) surrounded by a corona of Light. The outermost layer of this corona, formed by the more rapid and more ethereal-astral vibrations of the Light, is not visible to earthly eyes whereas the radiations from the precipitated Darkness, together with the emissions from the more rapid molecular vibrations of Darkness, can be detected and reflected by the human eye2).

The radiations and the concentration of the Light thus increase with rising vibrations. But only in God’s Kingdom does the Light unfold its greatest energy of concentration and radiation. The particles there are very much finer than in all the other forms of the Light. Spiritual beings are able to see the cores of Darkness of the globes, as well as the brighter, more radiant corona of the Light. Only one of the mother globes will at some time become visible from the Earth.

The mother globes contain all the elementary substances and all possibilities for life3)—seeds from which God by the strength of His Thought and Will can call forth life. And since the four galaxies, directly or indirectly, stem from the mother globes, this applies also to all suns (that is, stars) and planets within these galaxies, with the exceptions due to the incursions of Darkness on the globes in the Earth’s galaxy.

To understand somewhat the orbital paths of the mother globes, one can visualize the universe as a picture projected onto paper.

God’s Kingdom, an enormous sun formed from the high ethereal-material vibrations of the Light, is the Central Sun and supports and maintains the four galaxies.

The mother suns are positioned in pairs directly across from each other, on either side of the Central Sun; when the Central Sun and the four mother suns are all in opposition, an imaginary line passes through the centers of the four suns and the Central Sun.

The mother suns are of exactly equal weight. Each turns on its own axis.

The distance between each pair of mother suns (measured from the center of each sun) is equal to the radius of the Central Sun (God’s Kingdom). The mutual orbit of the pairs around the Central Sun describes a perfect circle, whose radius equals seven times the radius of the Central Sun. The circumference of this great circle passes through the midpoint of the distance between each pair of mother suns. The successive orbits described by the mother suns thus lie halfway outside and halfway inside the circumference of the great circle.

The mother suns balance each other, pair for pair, by equal attraction and by equal repulsion. The distance once established will therefore always remain constant.

The individual movement of each sun following its partner around the Central Sun describes an open circular orbit (a spiral orbit) so that the midpoint of the distance between each sun within a pair moves along the circumference of the great circle.

The pairs turn in opposite directions.

If a diagram shows the pair of mother suns (a-b') to the left of the Central Sun and the other pair (c-d) to the right, and with all the five suns in opposition so that a and c lie nearest to, and b and d farthest from, the Central Sun, and assuming that this position is the starting point for the orbits of the mother suns then a and c will turn away from and b and d toward the Central Sun. The spiral-orbit of the one pair (a-b') thus turns from the left side of the Central Sun to the right side, and the other pair (c-d) at the right turns to the left side. After about three million years the pair (a-b') will occupy the place of the pair (c-d) on the right side of the Central Sun and vice versa for (c-d). The complete revolution of both pairs along their common orbit round the Central Sun takes two eons, or about six million years.

Once established, the speed of rotation of both pairs will remain constant since they all counterbalance one another at any given moment. The equilibrium between these pairs, with God’s Kingdom as the center, will therefore never be disturbed.

A galaxy (a “Milky Way”), shaped as an elliptical ring, moves along with and rotates around each mother sun. Each galaxy was directly or indirectly spun off or ejected by eruption from its mother sun. (The globes and suns that originated directly with the mother sun have then again, through spinoffs or eruptions, subdivided into smaller globes—and so on).

Centrifugal force has caused the globes of the galaxies to deviate from a circular to an elliptical orbit round their mother sun at one focal point and an immaterial center of force (invisible to the human eye) at the other focal point.

If the orbit of a globe is to describe a perfect circle around its sun, the following three factors must be of exactly equal strength: the speed of axial rotation of the globe, its forward thrust through space and the combined forces of spin-off and attraction that interact at the time of the formation of the daughter globe. If the formation of a new globe comes about through an ejection produced by inner explosive eruptions in the mother sun, the force of ejection will usually to a varying degree exceed the force of a normal spin-off process (drop spin-off). The globes that come into being through eruption-ejections therefore move in a more or less elliptical orbit. If the orbit does become elliptical, then an immaterial center of force will automatically arise in juxtaposition to the material sun. Depending on the form of the orbit, this immaterial center of force will be nearer to or farther from the material sun.

The irregular orbit of a globe can also be caused by attraction from other suns.

Similar conditions prevail in the numerous solar systems inside the four galaxies. Because of the centrifugal force, the suns and the planets4) have similarly deviated from the circular orbit to a greater or lesser elliptical orbit around their center sun at one focus and a center of force, equally invisible to the human eye, at the other focus.5)

If one visualizes each of the four galaxies in the shape of an ellipsoid, then one axis will equal 1/7 of the radius of the open circle (the spiral-circle), described by the mother suns in their orbits; the second (the longest) axis will equal 1/28 of the arc length of that same spiral-circle, and the third axis will equal 3/7 of the longest axis.

Since the size of the second axis, that is, 1/28 of the arc length of the spiral-circle, cannot be given exactly in terms of human calculations, then neither can the third axis (3/7 of the second, the longest axis) show exactly the indicated size of 3/7.

The combined volume of the four mother suns and their galaxies represent 1/7000th the volume of the Central Sun, God’s Kingdom.

The number of globes is limited at any given moment—the opposite would be in conflict with the law of balance—but over time their number will become unlimited. New globes will come into being repeatedly while older globes disappear, dissolved into their component parts. But as long as the four mother-sun galaxies by the power of God’s Will orbit in space, the combined weight will always balance with zero. Therefore, the number of globes in existence is limited, whereas the potential number is unlimited.

All suns, even the most distant nebulae, observable from the Earth, belong to the same galaxy, whose mother sun—one of the four—will some day be visible from the Earth, though probably not until the instruments of observation have undergone some changes and improvements. At that time the mother sun will be visible low in the southwestern sky.6)

The solar and planetary system to which the earth belongs is in the inner part of the elliptical ring of the galaxy (the “Milky Way”), and is moving towards the immaterial center of force.7)


1) This core is formed of Darkness.

2) It must always be borne in mind that the term "Darkness" merely serves to describe to man a power which manifests itself in various ways in the
earthly world. This power can, therefore, also manifest itself as radiations which are luminous to the human eye.

3) Contained in the Light-corona of the globes, in the global layers which are invisible to the human eye.

4) Not all the suns and planets in the earth's galaxy are ejected or erupted parts of their centre suns. Many of these globes have deviated from their
orbits after colliding with cumulations of Darkness, and are attracted and held captive by a larger sun. No cumulations of Darkness drift about in
the three other galaxies. There, Darkness precipitates to the core of the globes and is slowly being eliminated through the great circulation of the
Light-ether.

5) The immaterial centres appear entirely automatically under established laws.

6) Written in 1920.

7) Upon further inquiry, the following has been stated and confirmed from the transcendental side: all the Milky Way globes move in their orbits round
the Mother Sun and the immaterial power-centre. As the globes approach the Mother Sun or the immaterial centre, their rate of speed increases and,
as they recede, decreases proportionately. The rate of speed round the immaterial centre is much lower than that round the material Mother Sun. this
also holds true for the comets and the planets. Their rates of speed round their immaterial centres are much lower than those round the material
(visible) centres. In the cases where the orbits approximate a circle, the increasing rate of speed round the immaterial centre is so low as to be almost
imperceptible.
......."

An animation of the Mother Sun's orbit around the central Sun has been made, but as this animation shows an error in the way of the orbit of the Mother Suns around the Central Sun, it will not be shown here, but have to wait to a correct animation have been made. ....Whenever that may be!!


More to come.

Cheers

This post has been edited by Tamborine man: Jul 5 2010, 09:25 AM

[Tamborine man]

Just a short continuation from the foregoing.
The reasons for this will become self-evident.

".......
Eons were to pass while the universe was formed, before the time came when God chose the Earth to be the first dwelling place for the uncreated beings as yet in His Thought.

When God informed His children of the difficult task He would give them—to lead immature beings forward to greater spiritual ripeness—He actually confronted them all with Darkness the moment He said: “In the fullness of time shall I choose from among you some. . .”

God revealed not to whom or to how many He would entrust this task. He left it undecided so as to observe how His children would react to the possibility that some might be chosen over others. Since God at the creation of His children had limited His foreknowledge of their future choice between good and evil, He could know nothing of the impression His words would have on anyone individually until all had carefully considered the proposed task. When He had disclosed to them the new-formed world that was slowly ripening to life as the Light irradiated and fructified it, he allowed them time to themselves so that all might become familiar with the contemplated work.

In Ardor’s Account, the children of God are referred to as the “Eldest” and the “Youngest”. However, these designations serve merely to distinguish between them, since all were created at the same time—that is, they emerged simultaneously as visible individualities. But there was a passage of time between their creation and their visible appearance, since God created one after the other in His Thought. Thus, not until His Thought had created the last one did they all—by the power of His Will—simultaneously emerge as visible beings.

Those of God’s children called the Eldest had primarily displayed an interest in abstractions of thought and in the cosmic laws, while the Youngest were those who had applied themselves more to the arts of color, form and tone, and so forth.

The Eldest soon came to assume that they must be the best qualified to lead immature beings, and God then knew that lust for power—a result of the influence of Darkness—had begun to awaken in them and that their power of will was not strong enough to limit or to contain their desirous thoughts. And God cautioned them, but they heeded not the warning and remained in the world of Light that lay around the Earth and irradiated the globe, whereupon Darkness began gradually (but imperceptibly to the Eldest) to break forth and separate itself from the circulation of the Light.

Over time, Darkness gained ever greater influence over the Eldest in whom it found expression as self-righteousness, impatience and lust for power.

When, through the Eldest’s disregard of God’s warning, Darkness began to separate from the Light, it commenced also its work of destruction on the Earth itself, millions of years before this became known to the Eldest. Slowly—inconceivably slowly—the Earth’s core of Darkness absorbed the in-flowing Darkness, and slowly—inconceivably slowly—the Earth was transformed over the course of millions of years from a world of Light to a world of Darkness.

The Darkness that took the Earth into its possession and transformed it was of the astral and the molecular forms. Astral Darkness, a lower form of spiritual Darkness, consists of smaller particles with somewhat greater capacity for cohesion and adhesion than the molecular Darkness.
......."



Please remember that this is all answers from the transcendental world
to questions from human beings.

Nothing has been imposed on mankind. Long Live the "Free Will"!

A few more explanations will follow tomorrow, and that's it, from this amazingly
beautiful source.

Cheers

[Tamborine man]

The bolded texts are questions from human beings:


".......
How can the two descriptions of the formation of the mother suns (in The Book, page 167 and 260) be in agreement? The first describes the core as one of Darkness, the other says each sun’s core was formed by the lower vibrations of the Light.

Both do agree, as this comparison will show:

1) The first description states: “Since the frequency of vibrations of the precipitated Darkness in the ether is lower than that of Light, the rotation around the force centers caused it to collect as a core—a core of Darkness.”

2) But to make the formation of mother suns at all possible, God had to draw the ether over the given centers and bring it into a rotating motion. And since the lower vibrations of Light would of necessity be closer to the centers, a core was formed initially of the lower vibrations of Light. Since the Darkness enclosed in these vibrations could not keep pace with the rotating ether and sank more and more to the “bottom”, it formed into a cohesive core around the centers, releasing the lowest Light-vibrations of the ether. Freed from the restraining Darkness, the Light-ether around the centers and cores of Darkness spread outward with increasing frequencies until formation of the mother suns was complete. This is described in the second and more detailed account, merely an expanded version of the first. Taken together, both give the full picture.

Thus, initially, the cores of the mother suns were formed of the lowest vibrations of Light, enclosing the Darkness of still lower vibrations which had to collect at the centers and ultimately form a dense, cohesive core—a core of Darkness.



The Book states (page 170) that the mother sun of our galaxy “may some day be seen from the Earth.” How must this be understood? Is the mother sun not visible?

This sun is visible to the naked eye, but only through powerful instruments will it be possible in future to “see”, or ascertain the right star.

The expressions “be ascertained” or “pointed out” from the Earth would have given a more precise idea of the actual situation than the expression “be seen”, since the form of the sentence could give the impression the mother sun is not visible to the naked eye, which it definitely is (See information regarding the synonyms and the vocabulary of in­termediaries, or mediums, in the Postscript to The Book, page 342).



Is the Central Sun (God’s Kingdom) in motion, or at rest in the same place?

The Central Sun is in motion, but since it is the mid-point for the four mother-sun (galactic) systems it does not orbit another body but remains eternally rotating in place. It is borne by God’s Thought and secured by His Will—the basis for all cosmic laws.



Will we in future be able to see the Central Globe—God’s Kingdom through powerful telescopes?

No, because God’s Kingdom has no “core of Darkness”. It is in fact the cores of Darkness of the celestial bodies that are visible to the human eye in space.



The enormous numbers astronomers deal with in connection with the size of our galaxy (the Milky Way) and the distances between its globes seem out of proportion with the description of the galaxy in The Book.

These disproportionately large numbers arise because astronomers omit a highly significant factor from their calculations. When this as yet unknown factor is discovered—a discovery humans must make themselves—the present numbers will dwindle decidedly and approach the values given in The Book, pages 168: 3 to-169: 3.



What is the reality about the distant nebulae, such as Orion and so on, which astronomers view as independent galaxies?

Human beings must find the answer of their own accord. When the factor cited in Question 31 is discovered, the “riddle” of the stellar nebulae should soon be solved.
......."


A further question regarding the above follows.

Cheers