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post Dec 1 2009, 07:42 AM
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QUOTE (Sanders @ Nov 29 2009, 08:10 AM) *
there is a lot of good that can be done when people pool their resources



QUOTE (lunk @ Nov 29 2009, 09:32 AM) *
Central governments have never worked for long.
There are other ways for people to work together,
other than being forced, or tricked into it, by govt.



cooperation not coercion
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post Dec 1 2009, 09:39 PM
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Last night the head of the CRU, Professor Phil Jones, said he would stand down while an independent review took place.


http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/143573...-change-rocked-

Sounds like the **** is starting to hit
the proverbial, fast, rotating, fan blades.
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post Dec 6 2009, 08:14 PM
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Picture this:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405...=googlenews_wsj
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Nobel Laureate was slated to lecture about his new book "Our Choice" where attendees could pay over $1,200 a ticket for the right to meet the Global Warmingist-in-Chief and have their picture taken with him.
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post Dec 7 2009, 07:19 AM
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David Archibald - Global Warming & Sunspots explained

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbAe_g41Zl4

meanwhile...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8398510.stm

The CRU analyzed the raw weather data, (then destroyed it)
and reported their findings (fundings?) to the IPCC,
a department of the UN. ("1", in french)
The Copenhagen Agreement is to be signed by world leaders
to agree to rubber stamp all (unknown?) future decisions, made
toward policies to reduce carbon (based life forms)
emissions world wide.

...my universe works in strange ways
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post Dec 7 2009, 05:11 PM
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The data sued to come to the conclusion of warming comes from questionable souces indeed such as this:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/06/how-...ded-by-science/

And as for reading co2 levels these "scientists" use readings from atop of Mauna Loa Hawaii. That my friends is an ACTIVE FRIKKIN VOLCANO!

Here is a report on surface stations reliability.
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com...rt_spring09.pdf

Put this together with throwing out the data that the results are based on and you come up with an agenda that is politically driven. Non reviewable results should be treated as junk.
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post Dec 19 2009, 01:03 PM
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http://www.dnaindia.com/world/report_copen...-an-end_1325458

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Curtains came down on the 193-nation conference, the largest and most important climate meeting in history, at 3.26pm (local time).

Though the conference failed to adopt a binding treaty on emission cuts, as a face saver it decided to "take note" of a US-brokered deal with India, China, Brazil and South Africa, which was rejected by poor countries.

lunk the bolder

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrUZ_op0bdM

Merry Christmas, everyone!
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post Dec 24 2009, 07:25 PM
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A Climatechange Carol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yp6AxiKu9nM

(safe for delicate ears)
at least, part one.
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Hey Lunk, happy new year.

Wow did we dodge a bullet or what? All was lost as far as I was concerned here in Australia, we had basically one Senator left opposing the imposition of the banksters tyrannical tax on everything, then some wonderful person probably an insider leaked just enough to put the mockers on Copenhagen. You could tell it was a leak rather than a hack as they made out simply because the nature of the Emails didn't put any of the fraudsters in prison immediately, in other words it was a controlled release with the implication of more to come.
It has been a bit of a revelation to me that once there is political blood in the water even the men behind the curtain can't do a whole lot to stop opposition politicians and parties from a feeding frenzy.There's nothing new there except for the fact that it's surprising how much they're prepared to reveal to get at each other, It's like a catfight. whistle.gif It's a good opportunity for us truth seekers to really stir things up, even if we have to use deadshit politicians and commentators from the right wing who we know are no better.
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post Jan 7 2010, 07:33 AM
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It's below freezing with snow on the ground, where i am in Canada.

Canadians are very disappointed, that global warming was a fraud.
I think some may still be cooking outside on their barbecues, still
secretly hoping, that their deluded effort
might somehow make our climate a little warmer.

Good to see you back T.O.!
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post Jan 7 2010, 12:16 PM
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Climategate - Pah!

More like VapourGate.

This story has been so distorted by the likes of Watts (WUWT) that these WUTTERS have no credibility left at all and only the (George) Willfully ignorant would have it otherwise.

You really should watch this:

Climate Crock Sacks Hack Attack Part 1

the truth about what decline was to be hidden:

and then read this to reinforce:

Let’s look at one of the illegally hacked emails in more detail — the one by NCAR’s Kevin Trenberth on “where the heck is global warming?”

Now who are the frigging frauds.

Seriously folks, you are looking for truth and rationality WRT 9/11 why do you have such a problem with APGHG induced climate change?

You would still rather believe Rush and Glenn et. al. from the hack MSM. Why so much cognitive dissonance?

Each and every one of the denier blowhard e-mail distortions can be similarly answered. If you have a fair mind that is.

Now for Rico and his volcano - measuring CO2 and weather station record problems.
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post Jan 7 2010, 12:45 PM
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QUOTE (lunk @ Jan 5 2010, 10:33 AM) *
It's below freezing with snow on the ground, where i am in Canada.

Yeh Lunk.

It's like er um Winter!
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Canadians are very disappointed, that global warming was a fraud.

Canadians who still insist that global warming is a fraud are mislead idiots.

Just one pointer to the way that global warming is progressing is this, and so much for your growing arctic sea ice malarkey:

Where on Earth is it unusually warm? Greenland and the Arctic Ocean, which is full of rotten ice

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New study supports finding that "the amount of [multi-year] sea ice in the northern hemisphere was the lowest on record in 2009"


Extracts:

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Yes, satellite (and other) measurements of Arctic sea ice extent were apparently deceived. You might even say that an unfortunate trick of Nature helped hide the decline of Arctic ice:

This case of mistaken identity is physically explained by the factors which contribute to the return to Radarsat-1 from the two surfaces; both ice regimes had similar temperature and salinity profiles in the near-surface volume, both ice types existed with a similar amount of open water between and within the floes, and finally both ice regimes were overlain by similar, recently formed new sea ice in areas of negative freeboard and in open water areas. The fact that these two very different ice regimes could not be differentiated using Radarsat-1 data or in situ C-band scatterometer or microwave radiometer measurements, has significant implications for climate studies and for marine vessel navigation in the Canada Basin.

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The multiyear ice covering the Arctic Ocean has effectively vanished….

“I would argue that, from a practical perspective, we almost have a seasonally ice-free Arctic now, because multiyear sea ice is the barrier to the use and development of the Arctic,” said Barber [Canada's Research Chair in Arctic System Science at the University of Manitoba].

Barber and his team thought they’d find “a huge multiyear ice pack that should have been in the Beaufort Sea” but

Instead, his ice breaker found hundreds of miles of what he called “rotten ice” — 50-cm (20-inch) thin layers of fresh ice covering small chunks of older ice.

“I’ve never seen anything like this in my 30 years of working in the high Arctic … it was very dramatic,” he said.


Read the comments up there to discover why you really do not want to be yet another WUWTer.

Now where has all that moisture formerly locked up in Arctic sea ice gone?

Into the atmosphere of course and it has now fallen on your collective heads after condensing out and falling heavily in places unexpectedly, and counter intuitively if you are expecting winter to be stopped by global warming, due to the shift in that 'extreme negative phase of the Arctic Oscillation'.

Will commentators here please study at least some of the science before shooting from the hip, or the arse.
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post Jan 7 2010, 01:12 PM
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QUOTE (Ricochet @ Dec 5 2009, 08:11 PM) *
The data sued to come to the conclusion of warming comes from questionable souces indeed such as this:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/06/how-...ded-by-science/

And as for reading co2 levels these "scientists" use readings from atop of Mauna Loa Hawaii. That my friends is an ACTIVE FRIKKIN VOLCANO!

Here is a report on surface stations reliability.
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com...rt_spring09.pdf

Put this together with throwing out the data that the results are based on and you come up with an agenda that is politically driven. Non reviewable results should be treated as junk.

Let us get a few things straight here.

Anthony Watts carried out a review of mainland USA recording stations. Even if all them were providing false data then they are such a small percentage of the recording stations around the world that shift in overall conclusions would be slight. Besides, if the data from these stations was so bad alarm bells would have been rung from the disparity between these and those so of those many other stations around the world.

This will help you to understand:

Article:

The video that Anthony Watts does not want you to see: The Climate Denial “Crock of the Week”

direct to video:
The Video Climate Deniers Tried to Ban - Climate Denial Crock of the Week

Now on CO2 measurement and the Keeling Curve obtained at Manau Loa:

Yes, the atmospheric CO2 fraction has risen at a dangerously fast rate in the past 160 years, reaching levels not seen in millions of years

Plenty of inspiration there for YOU to discover YOURSELF why it does not matter one jot that the measurements were taken on a volcano. It is not as silly as you imply.

Sorry, but having visited WUWT recently and noticed the bragging there about how many hits the site has received, I refuse to go there again to a site full of distortions, untruths and links to other pseudoscience sites (e.g. CO2 Science) set up by donations (some probably tax exempt) from fossil fuel and transport industry funded thinks tanks (CATO, CEI, GCMI, Heartland etc).

What I find somewhat amusing is that many of those hits Watts crows about were probably from those who understand the science and wondered what WUWT was all about, given that sites recent exposure elsewhere. Now they know and also know that Watts once again displays faulty logic if he thinks hits equals approval rating.

BTW. No data has been lost or hidden from anybody as a fair search will show, this is yet another crock about (climate)vapourgate, the one inspired by McIntyre who has now lost much credibility by insisting otherwise.
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post Jan 7 2010, 03:27 PM
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If one hadn't noticed, it's snowing. Record cold. Everywhere. We should be in a new solar cycle but the sun is still silent.

Brrrrr.

......

I'm pleased for two reasons ... the global-warming scam is gradually being uncovered for what it is - a fraud. And secondly, I live in Tokyo, which is way to hot for my taste. I'll be much more comfortable if it snows here once in a while and isn't above 30C all summer. smile.gif
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post Jan 7 2010, 05:38 PM
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QUOTE (Omega892R09 @ Jan 7 2010, 08:45 AM) *
Yeh Lunk.

It's like er um Winter!

Canadians who still insist that global warming is a fraud are mislead idiots.

Just one pointer to the way that global warming is progressing is this, and so much for your growing arctic sea ice malarkey:

Where on Earth is it unusually warm? Greenland and the Arctic Ocean, which is full of rotten ice



Extracts:


and



Read the comments up there to discover why you really do not want to be yet another WUWTer.

Now where has all that moisture formerly locked up in Arctic sea ice gone?

Into the atmosphere of course and it has now fallen on your collective heads after condensing out and falling heavily in places unexpectedly, and counter intuitively if you are expecting winter to be stopped by global warming, due to the shift in that 'extreme negative phase of the Arctic Oscillation'.

Will commentators here please study at least some of the science before shooting from the hip, or the arse.


Yes, that is a curious thing about ice, it can evaporate,
without going through the liquid phase.

We may be having a climate inversion, with colder temperatures in the mid latitudes and hotter at the poles.
But this isn't caused by humans,
it's caused from a rare, but periodical, change in the sun.
And the sun has been acting more unpredictably, lately,
like it is, building up to something and
we could be getting more x-ray bursts than normal.
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Just came across this...I'm not too up to date on all of the measurements of the sun's activity, but something reaching an "unprecedented low that only zero could be lower" did get my attention:


Check out the article
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Fellow fellows, I have heard you saying stuff and that stuff has caused folks like me to ACT!

And, also being from Canada were it never gets cold enough to kill all our friggin mosquitoes, I have come to the conclusion that man made global warming is a sham upon which any decent entrepreneur should capitalize.

So, we have.

http://www.ducthide.com/liarliar_pantsonfire.html
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post Jan 7 2010, 09:02 PM
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QUOTE (Rickysa @ Jan 7 2010, 01:44 PM) *
Just came across this...I'm not too up to date on all of the measurements of the sun's activity, but something reaching an "unprecedented low that only zero could be lower" did get my attention:


Check out the article


Yes, we should move into a spotless period on the sun,
with short lived, but violent sunspots.
Then we should start to see sunspots
occurring above, and below, N and S latitude 60,
on the poles of the sun.
Then the sun will start to shimmer...
(it's already pulsing now at an accelerating rate)

On the Earth, we are seeing a decrease in earthquakes,
and and possibly future lateral cloud banding of the Earth,
cooling toward the equator,
heating at the poles.
the magnetic poles of the Earth
will move toward the rotational poles,
and may even align.

If these predictions continue coming true,
then Patrick Geryl is right,
about the upcoming pole shift.

And this is not being caused by carbon dioxide,
but this is about the survival of human beings.

We all could end up like Survivor Man,
all of a sudden, and how many of us are prepared for that?
(it's almost like all the preparations we can make, for this event,
are being taken away from us, right now)
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/8447023.stm

Weather is not climate but it sure is funny.
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Yes, we should move into a spotless period on the sun,
with short lived, but violent sunspots.
Then we should start to see sunspots
occurring above, and below, N and S latitude 60,
on the poles of the sun.
Then the sun will start to shimmer...
(it's already pulsing now at an accelerating rate)


There is another school of thought that says we might be seing the last of sunspots and that the actual nature of the sunspots themselves are changing.

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Sunspots are cool dark regions on the solar surface with strong magnetic fields. There have been few direct measurements of changes in the physical parameters of sunspots, but here we present a study which shows that sunspots are becoming warmer and have weaker magnetic fields. The number of sunspots visible on the Sun normally shows an 11-year periodicity, and the current sunspot cycle (cycle 23) had a maximum in 2001, and is entering a minimum phase with few sunspots currently visible. Our data show that there are additional changes occurring in sunspots, independent of the sunspot cycle, and these trends suggest that sunspots will disappear completely. Such an event would not be unprecedented, since during a famous episode from 1645-1715, known as the Maunder Minimum, the normal 11-year periodicity vanished and there were virtually no sunspots visible on the solar surface (1). Recent studies of the appearance rate and latitudinal drift of sunspots (2) and of the solar magnetic field (3) predict that the number of sunspots visible in future cycles will be significantly reduced. Finally the occurrence of prolonged periods with no sunspots is important to climate studies, since the Maunder Minimum was shown to correspond with the reduced average global temperatures on the Earth (


http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com...n_sunspots2.pdf

We sure do live in interesting times.
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