Bbc World Report Of Wtc 7 Collapse At 4:57 Pm Est?, Merged w/BBC Messes up WTC 7 Reporting Options

[behind]

Good morning, and thank you for these hints, Behind.

I really thought all the time, that the world wide internet discussion
and all the panic at the BBC was about Ms. Standleys strange pronouncations
and mugs. She really looks ans speaks as if she got a pint in the ass.
My Idea was that someone at the BBC might had to confess about that.
Thank you for putting my thoughts to rest, Behind!

specificly thankful for the hint about the orign of your nick: Carl

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Good morning to you too.

But maybe to add something to what I said before... then for everybody who have research 9/11 for some time... then this BBC case must look very strange (to say at least)

And I am personally always more and more sure about that the media was under some kind of stronger controlle than usually 9/11.

For example if one looked at Gideons Gideon's 9/11 News Archive thread... then it is really strange (to me at least) how the Media hammer on some points... and how totally uncritical it was ... and has been since... about the official story. Because in my opinion the official story about 9/11 is just that... a story. They have not give any real proof about theirs story.

But it is complicated... 9/11 is complicated.

This post has been edited by behind: Mar 4 2007, 07:01 PM

[Truthseekers]

I believe objects of this nature, which are easy to buy, would be used to cause the signal of the BBC report to be jammed. So there would definately have to be agents nearby to activate them. So, who would order a unit to employ devices of this nature to jam a signal?. Points to intelligence network carrying out a mission for Bush and Cheney.

http://www.chinavasion.com/product_info.ph...-signal-jammer/

Also, are these types of instrument installed onto airplanes?, or no real need for them due to the heights planes fly at.?

This post has been edited by Truthseekers: Mar 4 2007, 07:16 PM

[CrazyBlade]

My reply, although they didn't show my last one so I'm not hopeful this time either:

I find it disgraceful that this level of SPIN is employed by yourself Mr Porter.  Utterly disgraceful.

Please stop trying to deflect the issue by bringing up the whole "they think the BBC was involved in the conspiracy".  We don't.  Because, if you had been, then you would not have been as incompetent as you have been with these news reports.

And you expect us to believe that, whether you have a "90 Day Policy" or not, that you didn't keep ALL the footage from arguably the most important day in modern history?

Please.

What annoys me the most is that OUR money funds this.  Its shambolic, its pathetic and its utterly disgraceful.

Tell the Truth Mr Porter.

He just keeps digging a bigger hole for himself. I'm sickened by his responses.

[painter]

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This looks very strange to me.  Someone involved in the broadcast must have knew exactly when it would collapse.

I mean... It is really weird... to me at least.

My conclusion:  On 9/11 the Media was, at least partically,  controlled by someone with great power.

You are RIGHT ON, Behind.

Let's not forget the discussion we were having a couple months ago about the Naional Coordinating Center and their linkage to national security and the military. ALL international broadcasts for all the networks are monitored through a central building outside of DC (close to Langly, IIRC).

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum...dpost&p=6702376

[Truthseekers]

Subject: Some Background and Context for this Clip

I am Director of Collections at the Internet Archive, responsible for all video and audio files.

This video clip is part of a collection from the TV Archive of global television coverage of the events that occurred on and shortly after September 11, 2001.

This clip, among others, has drawn quite a bit of attention because it appears to show a BBC reporter in New York reporting that World Trade Center Building 7, also referred to as WTC7 or the Salomon Brothers Building, has collapsed before it actually did collapse.

Despite some confusion on the issue of time code stamping and UTC conversions to EDT, the timing on the clip appears to be correct. This particular clip was recorded between 4:54 and 5:36 PM EDT. The anchor references to the WTC7 collapsing occur at 4:58 PM and 5:01 PM and then a live reporter says the building has collapsed at 5:08 PM in what appears to be a live shot with the building still in tact behind her. The feed from the live reporter is lost at 5:15 PM and then the building does actually collapse at 5:20 PM.

A subsequent clip from the BBC then shows coverage of the actual collapse in an archived account recorded from 5:36 – 6:16PM. This clip is available at http://www.archive.org/details/bbc200109111736-1818 .

An annotated version of the key sequence from this clip can be seen at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzxEoEfE_8A .

Further support for the correct timing on the clip comes from another archived clip, this one from the BBC 24 channel which includes a time stamp on the TV screen indicating that the reference to the collapses of WTC7 does occur before the actual collapse.

There is some discussion as to whether or not that time stamp was later edited in by someone tampering with the clip. It is unclear whether that happened or not but the reporting and the time of the reporting as shown does seem to coincide with the other BBC World report. This clip can be seen at various web sites including http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/febru...07timestamp.htm .

Also there has been some discussion about whether the shot of the WTC7 still standing was a live shot or a so-called “green screen” shot in which the live reporter was photographed in front of an electronic screen with a superimposed image of videotape of earlier coverage. That could explain the time disparity; however other clips seem to support the view that the video behind the BBC reporter in this clip is indeed live.

This clip is being widely circulated on the web along with other 9/11 news coverage clips that have surfaced. The earliest apparent reports of WTC7 collapsing come from CNN which reports before 5PM that WTC7 is either burning, is collapsing or has collapsed. You can see this clip at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD0UWq_ORR4 . That story then gets repeated later on BBC 24 and BBC World. Similar coverage on ABC can be found posted at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Qyiov_c6Fg .

Assuming all the time references are correct, there are two possible explanations offered for the confusion. One is that the building was intentionally brought down by its owner and that a press release indicating that was prematurely issued and prematurely reported on by the media.

Another explanation is that there was simply confusion at the time and some journalistic “whispering down the lane” in which early stories that there was something happening at WTC7 led to rumors of its collapsing which then led to on-air reporting of its collapse. The fact that the WTC7 is still standing and visible in the background of the live shot appears to confirm that the reporting of the collapse did take place before the actual collapse.

One possible explanation for the apparent clairvoyance of the reporter, or the alleged deception by those in charge, is that there was a fire at WTC7 when it was first reported on CNN at approximately 4:10 PM and that the BBC then picked up that story from CNN and reported that the WTC7 might be collapsing and in the confusion of live news coverage that story then was communicated to the anchor and the reporter that the building had collapsed.

Additional information may be available from other television network coverage of that same period of time which has also been archived by the TV Archive. This includes coverage from ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX, and CNN. Efforts are underway to gather that additional archive footage so that a more comprehensive picture can be presented of what really happened that day.

Other references and discussions related to this clip can be found at various other web sites including http://www.livelead.com , http://www.911truth.org , http://www.prisonplanet.com , http://www.informationliberation.com , http://www.911blogger.com , and http://www.digg.com .

The official BBC statement regarding its explanation for the mistaken reporting can be found at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2007/02/27/index.html .

Added March 4, 2007 at 9:13 AM PST.
The BBC has now posted new information in an effort to explain the apparent errors in this report. It is available at
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2007...he_conspiracy_2 .html .

[waterdancer]

a couple of updates on the story the BBC would really like to see go away...

online petition- No more Stonewalling from the BBC re WTC 7

Youtube- BBC Reported Building 7 Collapse 20 Minutes Before It Fell
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[Sanders]

online petition- No more Stonewalling from the BBC re WTC 7

Signed !!!

[georgie101]

Signed. 2058.
We need to keep the pace up on this one.

[Kesha]

Signed...

2203 Signatures Total

[georgie101]

Wow, another 150 signatures in 6 hours, great.

[Sanders]

2498 Signatures !

[behind]

What’s behind the CNN and the BBC’s premature announcement of the WTC7’s collapse?

aljazeera

[Sanders]

Nice to see someone talking about this. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif)


(Though I'm afraid this is not the same Al-Jazeera as the Qatar TV-station.)

[Carl Bank]

What’s behind the CNN and the BBC’s premature announcement of the WTC7’s collapse?

aljazeera

Thats great news!

Very well done, Al Jazeera.
AJ is obviously not on Murduchs payroll.

Carl

[behind]

Nice to see someone talking about this. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif)


(Though I'm afraid this is not the same Al-Jazeera as the Qatar TV-station.)

Yes. You are right. I just asumed it was the Quatar... but ok. I am always learning.

"Aljazeera.com is an English language website for AlJazeera Magazine. It is not related to the Arabic satellite TV channel Al Jazeera, which operates websites in both Arabic (www.aljazeera.net) and English (english.aljazeera.net) or Al Jazeera Newspaper of Saudi Arabia. Aljazeera.com is significantly less popular than aljazeera.net.[1] Aljazeera.com is operated by Aljazeera Publishing, described as an "independent media organisation" that presents "facts as they happen"."

wikipedia

so, it is maybe not as big as i thought in the begining... but however, the article is good.

[Sanders]

I still find aljazeera.com to be a good source for news - and I'm sure the vast majority who find their way there don't realize it's a different company.

Seems kind of sneaky though that they would employ the same name.

[waterdancer]

Anyone have a transcript (I'll settle for highlights) of the coverage which occurs between 4:26 and 6:35 on the youtube video below- where they show us the same footage three times in a row- of the West side of WTC 6, almost as if they are waiting for the collapse of WTC 7 to begin so that they can turn the camera a little bit further north to catch it? Thanks in advance. Also, if anyone can confirm that this is actually how the footage from archive.org played out, that would be great also.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEtqN04Hl7w

[Truthseekers]

Anyone have a transcript (I'll settle for highlights) of the coverage which occurs between 4:26 and 6:35 on the youtube video below- where they show us the same footage three times in a row- of the West side of WTC 6, almost as if they are waiting for the collapse of WTC 7 to begin so that they can turn the camera a little bit further north to catch it? Thanks in advance. Also, if anyone can confirm that this is actually how the footage from archive.org played out, that would be great also.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEtqN04Hl7w

I think it is a part of the original 1gb file which was downloaded and saved by many, and then 'lost' by the bbc.

[waterdancer]

I think it is a part of the original 1gb file which was downloaded and saved by many, and then 'lost' by the bbc.

I think you are probably correct, TS. I'm interested in what was being said during the time that that footage was playing (since I don't have a soundcard, I can't tell) and whether it was indeed aired three consecutive times by BBC World.

Update: it was indeed aired 3x in a row, according to the archive.org footage- rough time frame is 3:07-5:20 on this vid-
http://www.archive.org/details/bbc200109111654-1736
so between around 16:57 and 16:59 apparently... a little more than 10 minute before the immortal Jane Standley appears on the video. Shown again twice at approximately 25:07 into the tape (right around the time that WTC 7 actually did collapse)

This post has been edited by waterdancer: Mar 16 2007, 01:43 AM

[waterdancer]

Jane Standley makes another appearance at the end of this one- roughly 7:40:30 PM EDT.

http://www.archive.org/details/bbc200109111941-2023 and continues here
http://www.archive.org/details/bbc200109112023-2104