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Posted by: JimMac Feb 22 2014, 11:00 PM

Posting this video as a separate thread BECAUSE it's at the core of jet engine technology AND chemtrails.

Note to pilots, aircraft engineers, and anyone in the industry. I'm a little dismayed by the lack of interest shown here in the chemtrail geoengineering phenomena. It's wholly germane to the 9/11 truth movement. The same people that took down WTC 1 & 2, and bldg #7 are spraying us all like cockroaches with chemicals that are killing our biosphere, and they have been doing this BEFORE 9/11. Sooner or later you folks are going to wake up to it and the sooner the better. You do have children, yes? Think of them. This planet is being wasted by a chemical aerosol spraying program that is going on 24/7. You guys are ESSENTIAL to get involved in this. If not, by your silence, you are gatekeepers for something that is not the truth. Think about it, please, and make a choice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgL6b7VTxT4#t=1342

http://www.ucy.tv/Streams/1679/GeoEngineering_Watch_with_Dane_Wigington-2-22-2014.mp3

I'm here, like you, to fight-the-good-fight and I trust in you guys. Please help.
Thanks,
Jim



Posted by: JimMac Feb 23 2014, 12:46 AM

The following is a comment posted at geoengineeringwatch.com today. It captures a certain spirit I'd like to share with my friends.

http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/15533/#comment-53349
Has anyone heard of the nuclear disaster in Fukushima, Japan? This has been ongoing since the 9.0 earthquake and resulting tsunami of March 2011 and by most accounts is not getting any better. In fact it is apparently growing worse by the day. If you havenít heard about it at all you really need to investigate it yourself. Apparently the lack of political will and antiquated technology has all but assured this massive release of radioactivity will be ongoing for many, many years. At this point there seems to be no way to stop it as it has been releasing radioactive toxins into the air as well as the Pacific Ocean non-stop for three years now. Most believe the nation state of Japan will not survive; at all! You would think this would be the top news story on CNN, MSNBC, CBS, or FOX; not so much. At 11:57 am Feb. 18, Fox is covering the Amanda Hays murder trial; CNN is covering a story about a satanic ritual killer. This disaster in Japan has the real potential of extinguishing all human life on earth!
How about the ongoing geoengineering project commonly known as ďchem.-trailsĒ? Thousands of jet planes in the skies worldwide spraying toxic brews made up of nano particles such as; aluminum, barium, strontium, mercury, cadmium, poly-fibers, and so much more. There is an across-the-board denial this is even going on but all one has to do is look up. Aluminum in free form (which doesnít even exist in the natural environment, it could only come from these planes) is being found worldwide in the soil and water, in some cases many thousands of times exceeding safe levels. The stated purpose of this spraying, even though they deny its existence, is to combat global warming. In reality it seems by far the causal factor in global warming. Oceans temps are rising and even though the sunís rays reaching the earth are diminished by 20+ percent because of the reflective metals (which creates a different set of problems); enhanced UV rays are melting the methane hydrates in the arctic. This release of stored methane is acting as a powerful greenhouse gas as well as killing ocean life. Oxygen producing plankton is being destroyed as well as the Boreal Forest. Photosynthesis is on life support because of its need for maximum sunlight. Human life cannot exist without these.
GMO foods (Genetically Modified Organisms) abound now. I would suspect that in the U.S. most all of the foods now consumed are either fully GMO or contaminated beyond being called anything else. Genetically Modified Organisms are plants or animals that have been genetically engineered with DNA from bacteria, viruses, or other plants and animals. There is a growing body of evidence that connects GMO foods with severe health problems in humans while exhibiting no benefit whatsoever to health or increased yield.
Government sponsored experiments on unsuspecting populations have been going on for many decades. There are many documented case of horrible experiments on men, women, and children right here in the U.S., many admitted to by the government. All of the experiments were performed without the consent or knowledge of the subjects. Those who would deny this have no truth to stand on and simply do not want to face the truth. For the last sixty years we have been the subjects (rd. lab rats) of an ongoing experiment that seems to have morphed into the mother of all experiments. I call all of this an experiment simply because I donít believe any of the perpetrators knew in the beginning what hell they would be unleashing. The truth is all of these or any one of them alone has the potential of destroying all human life. As I think of my grandchildren I was forced to come to some truth.
One of the definitions of a psychopath that stands out in my mind is this; ďa person who is egocentric to the point he is incapable of loving his fellowmanĒ. I have always said we need Godís help to stop this and I still believe that. However Iím afraid I am guilty of unintentionally losing sight of love. I was on the verge of becoming what I now see as a religious psychopath. God tells us that if we donít love our fellowman then we donít love Him; 1 Jo.4:20. We must implore God to help us but we must also be the voice of God crying out in love to those who are sick and dying and have no understanding as to why. Everyone has a right to freedom of choice and to exercise that freedom in safety. All have a right to either choose God or not choose God, but no man has a right to murder his fellowman. If you have the right to choose then there must by definition be a choice. No man has the right to deny you that choice! God said there would be a time just as in the days of Noah when the entire world would be endangered and most would not suspect. This is love and I stand with those at GeoEngineering Watch.org. Go to this site for reliable information about this continuing experiment. This is also posted at enddaybt.blogspot.com."

Posted by: Art Feb 23 2014, 01:18 AM

If they decide to reduce the earth's population, they can add a virus.

From the Denver Airport which is on the DIA-Yuma http://vimeo.com/86673873

Posted by: Shallel Feb 23 2014, 01:52 AM

<soapbox>
Humans have created over 250,000 tons of thousands of deadly long-lived radioisotopes with no viable plan to keep them out of the environment. Oh, and 95% of that nuke fuel and waste relies on the power grid to keep it from catching unquenchable fire. The world's militaries and industries have been dumping whole reactor cores in the oceans for decades. Fukushima is brewing radioactive tea by the hundreds of tons every day for three years now.

I am sorry to future generations of the 9 million species on this planet. I am trying to research solutions, and spread awareness that at very least we must make no more of this crap until it can be rendered harmless or there is some plan to keep it from our environment. </soapbox>

Posted by: JimMac Feb 23 2014, 02:11 AM

QUOTE (Art @ Feb 23 2014, 01:18 AM) *
If they decide to reduce the earth's population, they can add a virus.

From the Denver Airport which is on the DIA-Yuma http://vimeo.com/86673873


Wow. Can you interpret this for me? I see a NAZI-like officer, sweeping in on the tail of a chemtrail, killing a dove, presume the dove of peace. What else is going on?

Posted by: MikeR Feb 23 2014, 02:24 AM

QUOTE (JimMac @ Feb 23 2014, 04:46 PM) *
Has anyone heard of the nuclear disaster in Fukushima, Japan? This has been ongoing since the 9.0 earthquake and resulting tsunami of March 2011 and by most accounts is not getting any better. In fact it is apparently growing worse by the day. If you haven’t heard about it at all you really need to investigate it yourself. Apparently the lack of political will and antiquated technology has all but assured this massive release of radioactivity will be ongoing for many, many years. At this point there seems to be no way to stop it as it has been releasing radioactive toxins into the air as well as the Pacific Ocean non-stop for three years now. Most believe the nation state of Japan will not survive; at all! ......


JimMac .... you do not by so much as one word overstate the overwhelming
significance of this all-important issue.

Fukushima is a huge false-flag event, bigger by far than 9/11 ever was.

Fukushima MUST sooner or later be recognized by the whole wide world as
an INTENTIONAL genocidal attack. In this case, the attacker has already
been found guilty in a world court of other charges of genocide.
The convict country still shows no sign whatever of reconizing their
proven genocidal guilt.

These same insane criminal conspirators HOPE we will continue to believe Fukushima
was a NATURAL tsunami disaster.

In actual fact Fukushima was an act of WAR.

The victim was the entire Japanese NATION. The nation may not even survive.

The perpeTRAITOR was Israel. The zionist state's means of attack was their
ill-concealed stash of advanced atomic weaponry developed and manufactured
at Dimona in the heart of the stolen land.

Many here at P4T will doubtless regard what I type as a blasphemous statement.
I make no apology: now that JimMac has ventured forth, I will remain silent no longer.

The EVIDENCE for what what I have just said is absolutely clear and unequivocal>
the evidence is to be found all in public sources.

We have all seen many of the evidential photos, but how many of us have even begun
to interpret the evidence correctly? It's not as if interpretation is rocket science: it isn't.

Jim Stone has laid his life on the line (literally) to risk hosting the evidence for all to check.

He proves beyond ANY reasonable doubt what really happened:

An earthquake was measured by many seismometers all over mainland Japan.
All the readings prove a relatively weak quake, up to 1000 times LESS than
the massively-destructive Richter 9 which PROVABLY never happened, but which
is what the USGS and the lying ziopress publicized.

An Israeli company had engineered to professionally manage the Japanese
nuclear power station. This contract gave them continuous realtime access 24/7/366
Israel was able to plantenuclear weapons, plural, in massive in-house "cameras".
Israel also embedded Stuxnet into the nuke-plant systems.

NukeCAMs were set to destroy reactors: to cover for this, the criminals cleverly decided
a tsunami of mammoth proportions would distract world attention from the real cause
of the destruction of 4 reactors. The unbelievable hydrogen build-up was provably fake.

The tsunami was planned using 65-year-old tsunami creation techniques brought up to the
state-of-the-art minute by nuke-triggering. No doubt military secrecy covers for this
being a bog-standard war-weapon about which my lips must therefore remain sealed.

To cover their insanely-criminal tsunami, our zionist dual-citizen friends in Tel Aviv's Colonial
head office in Washington DC arranged for the best earthquake Hollywood-MGM could produce
To cover for that faked earthquake, the USGS lent it's no-longer-credible name
to a monstrous LIE ....a lie of magnitude 9.0 on the Richter scale.

It wasn't till Jim publicized the TRUE Japanese seismometer readings, that the World started
to wake up and take notice.

Jim posts 100 photos of TOTALLY INTACT quake-struck buildings FLOATING in the incoming
tsunami seawater. NONE of the buildings was damaged: they'd just been knocked off foundations.

40 minutes earlier, not one of them showed damage: none had been hit by other than a tiny tremor.

A huge tsunami wave in one photo is seen just before it was about to flatten
a flimsy timber carport: the carport was still 100% unharmed and totally intact.
The lady's Honda coupe was still properly parked under.

Fukushima was destroyed by nukes.

We ALL need to learn the truth. Pilots need to lead the rocky road to pass on this amazing info.

Jim had to get away from continuous hacking: his server was shifted to Iceland.
Jim himself was smuggled out of mainland USA into another country to preserve hi life.

I know that to many folks this will sound highly improbable, but the implications
of ignoring the truth of 3/11 do not bear serious thinking about.

Jim's detailed Fukushima account, entitled "3/11 was Japan's 9/11", is available here.
Please pass on, spread it far and wide.

http://jimstonefreelance.com/fukushima1.html

MikeR

SERIOUS POSTSCRIPT: if you cannot ... or worse still, if you WILL not, imagine that Israel doesn't have NukeCAM
installed in other nuclear power stations around the WWW, you might need to read the true story once again.

These guys wont let up for one moment until they have total control of all of US.
I am not kidding

Just think: no other planet in the solar system will allow them to gain entry.

Just our Earthly luck

Posted by: JimMac Feb 23 2014, 02:41 AM

QUOTE (MikeR @ Feb 23 2014, 02:24 AM) *
JimMac .... you do not by so much as one word overstate the overwhelming
significance of this all-important issue.

Fukushima is a huge false-flag event, bigger by far than 9/11 ever was.

Fukushima MUST sooner or later be recognized by the whole wide world as
an INTENTIONAL genocidal attack. In this case, the attacker has already
been found guilty in a world court of other charges of genocide.
The convict country still shows no sign whatever of reconizing their
proven genocidal guilt.

These same insane criminal conspirators HOPE we will continue to believe Fukushima
was a NATURAL tsunami disaster.

In actual fact Fukushima was an act of WAR.

The victim was the entire Japanese NATION. The nation may not even survive.

(Snip)


I'm endorsing you fully on that. Sorry for the snip, but it's the core idea. We need to open this topic up full throttle here. 9/11 truth is tip of the iceberg. These same perps have moved on vastly. Arguing 9/11 truth and bashing it out until our eyes cross from fatigue is what they want. They are laughing at us. We need to catch up in real time.
Thanks for your post.
Jim

Posted by: tumetuestumefaisdubien Feb 23 2014, 02:48 AM

QUOTE (Shallel @ Feb 22 2014, 06:52 PM) *
<soapbox>
Humans have created over 250,000 tons of thousands of deadly long-lived radioisotopes with no viable plan to keep them out of the environment. Oh, and 95% of that nuke fuel and waste relies on the power grid to keep it from catching unquenchable fire. The world's militaries and industries have been dumping whole reactor cores in the oceans for decades. Fukushima is brewing radioactive tea by the hundreds of tons every day for three years now.

I am sorry to future generations of the 9 million species on this planet. I am trying to research solutions, and spread awareness that at very least we must make no more of this crap until it can be rendered harmless or there is some plan to keep it from our environment. </soapbox>

I'm afraid only way how to burn the vast amounts of long-lived radioisotopes (because their long-term safe storage is clearly unviable) created by the age of cold war which preferred LWR for bomb plutonium production over fast reactors are the 4th generation nuclear powerplants. Problem is that the elite blocks their development for decades using the Club of Rome malthusian propaganda schemes and there is really not much time left before the old nuclear powerplants will become too old and dangerous and noone would dare to close them in times after the fossil fuels peak. Not speaking that there is only very limited resources of U235 to run them anyway.
The safer nuclear technologies, producing only short-lived isotopes and technologies to burn the transuranes remaining from the old technologies were researched decades ago.
Yet except one plant in Russia nobody is really using them for energy production and only China and to the lesser extent Czech Republic actively pursue development of the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_fluoride_thorium_reactor which has in my opinion full potential to substitute for all the current energy resources for milenias, with high inherent safety, affordable economics and without further production of long-lived radioisotopes.
It is paradox, because the LFTR was first developed in USA at ORNL already in 1960s, so it should be the USA to to develop it in the commercial stage and use it in the first place. -Only this would in my opinion do more for the national security than all the bogus war-on-terror schemes designed to control last fossil resources and all that fracking disaster which could render vast areas uninhabitable by poluting the water resources by dangerous chemicals and anyway not adding to the global energy budget more than several years before all crumbles anyway.
This elite guys dream to govern the world, but so far only what they are able to is to create disasters.

Posted by: almerie Feb 23 2014, 04:24 AM

QUOTE (JimMac @ Feb 22 2014, 11:00 PM) *
Posting this video as a separate thread BECAUSE it's at the core of jet engine technology AND chemtrails.

Note to pilots, aircraft engineers, and anyone in the industry. I'm a little dismayed by the lack of interest shown here in the chemtrail geoengineering phenomena. It's wholly germane to the 9/11 truth movement. The same people that took down WTC 1 & 2, and bldg #7 are spraying us all like cockroaches with chemicals that are killing our biosphere, and they have been doing this BEFORE 9/11. Sooner or later you folks are going to wake up to it and the sooner the better. You do have children, yes? Think of them. This planet is being wasted by a chemical aerosol spraying program that is going on 24/7. You guys are ESSENTIAL to get involved in this. If not, by your silence, you are gatekeepers for something that is not the truth. Think about it, please, and make a choice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgL6b7VTxT4#t=1342

http://www.ucy.tv/Streams/1679/GeoEngineering_Watch_with_Dane_Wigington-2-22-2014.mp3

I'm here, like you, to fight-the-good-fight and I trust in you guys. Please help.
Thanks,
Jim


I am sorry, but to believe in something like this you would have to be at total nutcase.


Posted by: Obwon Feb 23 2014, 01:31 PM

QUOTE (almerie @ Feb 23 2014, 03:24 AM) *
I am sorry, but to believe in something like this you would have to be at total nutcase.


The guy mentions that we never see chem trails from turbo fan powered helicopters, ignoring the fact that we never see helicopters flying around in the stratosphere.

But what would be the purpose of wiping out 90% of the earths population? That is an insane idea. Anyone capable of thinking clearly would immediately realize that the people left behind, presumable the wealthy, would be reduced to poverty themselves. Who do they think pays for those tankers bringing in oil? Not the 1% who burn less than 1% of it, but the 90% who burn 90% of it. Making merchandise and machinery takes long runs to make it pay, if 90% of the people are gone, it simply won't pay to make much merchandise, in the same high tech ways we have of making it today, because there's no way to justify long enough runs. Factories and shipping would collapse.

Worse yet, the financial system would be a joke, rendered totally useless, because of all the money left laying around, by those who had expired, not to mention that no one would need any money for the next few years, since money cannot be eaten, and stores and supermarkets loaded with canned food and no customers, would be what everyone would be living off until that source ran out in a very few years. Then everyone left, millionaires and billionaires alike, would need to start growing their own food for themselves, cooking and cleaning for themselves, and without any help to hire, they'd have to move out of those mansions and into smaller more serviceable quarters. In short, all they'd accomplish is making their own lives much harder and harsher. Hardly what any sane person would want to do.

Posted by: JimMac Feb 23 2014, 02:19 PM

QUOTE (almerie @ Feb 23 2014, 04:24 AM) *
I am sorry, but to believe in something like this you would have to be at total nutcase.


I understand your point of view totally, because I used to feel exactly the same. Then I started to research the matter. Its a very hard subject to get your head around.

Posted by: paulmichael Feb 23 2014, 05:13 PM

QUOTE (Obwon @ Feb 23 2014, 12:31 PM) *
The guy mentions that we never see chem trails from turbo fan powered helicopters, ignoring the fact that we never see helicopters flying around in the stratosphere.

But what would be the purpose of wiping out 90% of the earths population? That is an insane idea. Anyone capable of thinking clearly would immediately realize that the people left behind, presumable the wealthy, would be reduced to poverty themselves. Who do they think pays for those tankers bringing in oil? Not the 1% who burn less than 1% of it, but the 90% who burn 90% of it. Making merchandise and machinery takes long runs to make it pay, if 90% of the people are gone, it simply won't pay to make much merchandise, in the same high tech ways we have of making it today, because there's no way to justify long enough runs. Factories and shipping would collapse.

Worse yet, the financial system would be a joke, rendered totally useless, because of all the money left laying around, by those who had expired, not to mention that no one would need any money for the next few years, since money cannot be eaten, and stores and supermarkets loaded with canned food and no customers, would be what everyone would be living off until that source ran out in a very few years. Then everyone left, millionaires and billionaires alike, would need to start growing their own food for themselves, cooking and cleaning for themselves, and without any help to hire, they'd have to move out of those mansions and into smaller more serviceable quarters. In short, all they'd accomplish is making their own lives much harder and harsher. Hardly what any sane person would want to do.


Obwon, what you say has great validity, but try being the voice of reason.

I have witnessed incredible examples of self-destructiveness in the workplace on the part of managers and executives. It's hard to imagine, but self-destructiveness is a very real psychological profile. Megalomania is yet another all too real psychological profile.

It seems to me that the conspirators who plotted to switch the Olympic for the Titanic and sink the former to defraud the insurance company had themselves fooled into believing "What can possibly go wrong?"

See: http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=22242&st=0&p=10807137&#entry10807137

P.M.

Posted by: paulmichael Feb 23 2014, 05:29 PM

QUOTE (JimMac @ Feb 22 2014, 11:46 PM) *
Thousands of jet planes in the skies worldwide spraying toxic brews made up of nano particles such as; aluminum, barium, strontium, mercury, cadmium, poly-fibers, and so much more.

What I do for myself, for now (and I stress, "for now"), is to occasionally consume chlorophyll in the form of capsules or liquid. Because it is expensive, every 6 to 12 months, I'll spring for modified citrus pectin (Pecta-Sol). I also will consume a clove of raw garlic and wash it down with fruit juice, Juicy Juice preferred. Never wash raw garlic down with soda unless you are extremely masochistic . These practices purify one of heavy metals and other contaminants.

QUOTE (JimMac @ Feb 22 2014, 11:46 PM) *
Oxygen producing plankton is being destroyed as well as the Boreal Forest. Photosynthesis is on life support because of its need for maximum sunlight. Human life cannot exist without these.

Well, I don't know how I'll get along without adequate oxygen, and if there is no more photosynthesis, then I guess supplies of powered or liquid chlorophyll will dry up.

P.M.

Posted by: JimMac Feb 24 2014, 01:58 AM

QUOTE (almerie @ Feb 23 2014, 04:24 AM) *
I am sorry, but to believe in something like this you would have to be at total nutcase.


Everyone reading this thread should watch this time-lapse video taken by a professional engineer and read his activist post, the best I have yet to see on the subject. ( Especially you almerie, because waking up is harder for some than others)


http://www.activistpost.com/2014/02/request-for-investigation-of-documented.html?m=1

Posted by: almerie Feb 24 2014, 02:30 AM

QUOTE (JimMac @ Feb 24 2014, 01:58 AM) *
Everyone reading this thread should watch this time-lapse video taken by a professional engineer and read his activist post, the best I have yet to see on the subject. ( Especially you almerie, because waking up is harder for some than others)


http://www.activistpost.com/2014/02/request-for-investigation-of-documented.html?m=1


I have to be sure where you are going with this, because I have seen some total nutcases among 'chemtrail enthusiasts'.

Pick one please:

1. The government(s) are secretly spraying deadly chemicals by jetplanes to kill most of us?

2. The government(s) are conducting experiments with climate change etc. by spraying various chemicals, which should be harmless, but its really not?


Posted by: JimMac Feb 24 2014, 02:34 AM

QUOTE (almerie @ Feb 24 2014, 02:30 AM) *
I have to be sure where you are going with this, because I have seen some total nutcases among 'chemtrail enthusiasts'.

Pick one please:

1. The government(s) are secretly spraying deadly chemicals by jetplanes to kill most of us?

2. The government(s) are conducting experiments with climate change etc. by spraying various chemicals, which should be harmless, but its really not?


Sorry but I'm putting you in the TROLL BOX, and that means you're on ignore henceforth.
Pls do not post in my threads.

Posted by: kaz Feb 24 2014, 03:10 AM

QUOTE (MikeR @ Feb 23 2014, 02:24 AM) *
JimMac .... you do not by so much as one word overstate the overwhelming
significance of this all-important issue.

Fukushima is a huge false-flag event, bigger by far than 9/11 ever was.

Fukushima MUST sooner or later be recognized by the whole wide world as
an INTENTIONAL genocidal attack. In this case, the attacker has already
been found guilty in a world court of other charges of genocide.
The convict country still shows no sign whatever of reconizing their
proven genocidal guilt.

These same insane criminal conspirators HOPE we will continue to believe Fukushima
was a NATURAL tsunami disaster.

In actual fact Fukushima was an act of WAR.

The victim was the entire Japanese NATION. The nation may not even survive.

The perpeTRAITOR was Israel. The zionist state's means of attack was their
ill-concealed stash of advanced atomic weaponry developed and manufactured
at Dimona in the heart of the stolen land.

Many here at P4T will doubtless regard what I type as a blasphemous statement.
I make no apology: now that JimMac has ventured forth, I will remain silent no longer.

The EVIDENCE for what what I have just said is absolutely clear and unequivocal>
the evidence is to be found all in public sources.

We have all seen many of the evidential photos, but how many of us have even begun
to interpret the evidence correctly? It's not as if interpretation is rocket science: it isn't.

Jim Stone has laid his life on the line (literally) to risk hosting the evidence for all to check.

He proves beyond ANY reasonable doubt what really happened:

An earthquake was measured by many seismometers all over mainland Japan.
All the readings prove a relatively weak quake, up to 1000 times LESS than
the massively-destructive Richter 9 which PROVABLY never happened, but which
is what the USGS and the lying ziopress publicized.

An Israeli company had engineered to professionally manage the Japanese
nuclear power station. This contract gave them continuous realtime access 24/7/366
Israel was able to plantenuclear weapons, plural, in massive in-house "cameras".
Israel also embedded Stuxnet into the nuke-plant systems.

NukeCAMs were set to destroy reactors: to cover for this, the criminals cleverly decided
a tsunami of mammoth proportions would distract world attention from the real cause
of the destruction of 4 reactors. The unbelievable hydrogen build-up was provably fake.

The tsunami was planned using 65-year-old tsunami creation techniques brought up to the
state-of-the-art minute by nuke-triggering. No doubt military secrecy covers for this
being a bog-standard war-weapon about which my lips must therefore remain sealed.

To cover their insanely-criminal tsunami, our zionist dual-citizen friends in Tel Aviv's Colonial
head office in Washington DC arranged for the best earthquake Hollywood-MGM could produce
To cover for that faked earthquake, the USGS lent it's no-longer-credible name
to a monstrous LIE ....a lie of magnitude 9.0 on the Richter scale.

It wasn't till Jim publicized the TRUE Japanese seismometer readings, that the World started
to wake up and take notice.

Jim posts 100 photos of TOTALLY INTACT quake-struck buildings FLOATING in the incoming
tsunami seawater. NONE of the buildings was damaged: they'd just been knocked off foundations.

40 minutes earlier, not one of them showed damage: none had been hit by other than a tiny tremor.

A huge tsunami wave in one photo is seen just before it was about to flatten
a flimsy timber carport: the carport was still 100% unharmed and totally intact.
The lady's Honda coupe was still properly parked under.

Fukushima was destroyed by nukes.

We ALL need to learn the truth. Pilots need to lead the rocky road to pass on this amazing info.

Jim had to get away from continuous hacking: his server was shifted to Iceland.
Jim himself was smuggled out of mainland USA into another country to preserve hi life.

I know that to many folks this will sound highly improbable, but the implications
of ignoring the truth of 3/11 do not bear serious thinking about.

Jim's detailed Fukushima account, entitled "3/11 was Japan's 9/11", is available here.
Please pass on, spread it far and wide.

http://jimstonefreelance.com/fukushima1.html

MikeR

SERIOUS POSTSCRIPT: if you cannot ... or worse still, if you WILL not, imagine that Israel doesn't have NukeCAM
installed in other nuclear power stations around the WWW, you might need to read the true story once again.

These guys wont let up for one moment until they have total control of all of US.
I am not kidding

Just think: no other planet in the solar system will allow them to gain entry.

Just our Earthly luck


You do realise they build the best earthquake proof buildings in Japan with very few going over 10 stories. So the already weakened foundations could be moved by a large Tsunami which is powerful enough to float ships and buildings. You do realise theses areas have markers showing previous Tsunami's over hundreds of years and some of these markers are even higher and happened over 600 years ago. No Nukes then. I have been to many parts of Japan and married and lived there. Earthquakes and Tsunami's are displayed throughout their culture in Art,Song etc and its studied and prepared for at all levels of their society. The Fukushima Tsunami was large but they have had larger. Alas I can't take you out to the huge rift under the ocean which lifted up to cause the Tsunami but I suspect you wouldn't believe that either.

Posted by: JimMac Feb 24 2014, 03:16 AM

QUOTE (kaz @ Feb 24 2014, 03:10 AM) *
Alas I can't take you out to the huge rift under the ocean which lifted up to cause the Tsunami but I suspect you wouldn't believe that either.


ATTENTION KAZ: DO NOT POST IN MY THREADS- YOU ARE A TROLL. I'm asking the mod to delete this, and you.

Posted by: MikeR Feb 24 2014, 03:17 AM

QUOTE (almerie @ Feb 24 2014, 06:30 PM) *
I have to be sure where you are going with this, because I have seen some total nutcases among 'chemtrail enthusiasts'.

Pick one please:

1. The government(s) are secretly spraying deadly chemicals by jetplanes to kill most of us?

2. The government(s) are conducting experiments with climate change etc. by spraying various chemicals, which should be harmless, but its really not?


I understand completely JimMac's preference not wanting to entertain your comments on his threads ...
this is the second post when you've recklessly thrown "nutcase" into a serious discussion.
If you cannot, correction, WILL not, understand why some folks would consider the term
as argumentum ad hominem you're on your own.

HINT: If you do have solid insider information, please tell us what the government is/are up to in the skies:
give us all the benefit of your wisdom.

I am sure many if not most who read this thread will have absolute-zero objective information
on the topic for the simple reason that Government refuses to provide any info.
The Government and its NGOs refuse point blank to take ANY questions
that could jeopardize their self-imposed ban on any comment that We the People
might interpret as pertaining to chemtrailing or to persistent contrails.

The floor is yours: no more trick questions.... perleese rolleyes.gif

Posted by: MikeR Feb 24 2014, 03:45 AM

QUOTE (kaz @ Feb 24 2014, 07:10 PM) *
You do realise they build the best earthquake proof buildings in Japan with very few going over 10 stories. So the already weakened foundations could be moved by a large Tsunami which is powerful enough to float ships and buildings. You do realise theses areas have markers showing previous Tsunami's over hundreds of years and some of these markers are even higher and happened over 600 years ago. No Nukes then. I have been to many parts of Japan and married and lived there. Earthquakes and Tsunami's are displayed throughout their culture in Art,Song etc and its studied and prepared for at all levels of their society. The Fukushima Tsunami was large but they have had larger. Alas I can't take you out to the huge rift under the ocean which lifted up to cause the Tsunami but I suspect you wouldn't believe that either.


ONLY if you have any patience at all, read jimstonefreelance.com/fukushime1.html

LOOK seriously at the photos and read again what I said (NOT what you think I should have said)
and if you will then have the courtesy to give some slight indication you have actually
taken in the contrarian info, then we can have a conversation.

The topic is NOT about Japan's preparedness for disasters: I'm an architect and it takes
no special qualifications to know about earthquake readiness in Japanese buildings.

We are talking here about an ACT OF WAR.
We are talking about an ACT OF WAR perpeTRAITORed by a Criminal nation
(Criminal as in "CONVICTED of Genocide" by a World Court, including but not limited to
the ongoing genocide being committed on concentration camp occupants incarcerated in Gaza)
We are talking about an ACT OF WAR perpeTRAITORed on a victim nation whose only fault
is seismic. In this ACT OF WAR the fault was activated by Allied earthquake-creation technology
totally under the out-of-control psychopathetic hands of the Criminal's Colony in Washington DC

READ the evidence, THEN comment.

Look forward to your revised version.... assuming JimMac can still tolerate us here rolleyes.gif .

MikeR

Posted by: almerie Feb 24 2014, 04:12 AM

QUOTE (MikeR @ Feb 24 2014, 03:17 AM) *
I understand completely JimMac's preference not wanting to entertain your comments on his threads ...
this is the second post when you've recklessly thrown "nutcase" into a serious discussion.
If you cannot, correction, WILL not, understand why some folks would consider the term
as argumentum ad hominem you're on your own.

HINT: If you do have solid insider information, please tell us what the government is/are up to in the skies:
give us all the benefit of your wisdom.

I am sure many if not most who read this thread will have absolute-zero objective information
on the topic for the simple reason that Government refuses to provide any info.
The Government and its NGOs refuse point blank to take ANY questions
that could jeopardize their self-imposed ban on any comment that We the People
might interpret as pertaining to chemtrailing or to persistent contrails.

The floor is yours: no more trick questions.... perleese rolleyes.gif


Argumentum ad hominem? Not directly, but no matter.

How should your post blaming the Jews of causing a tsunami and the Fukushima incident be categorized then?

From your Hint I can guess that you have NO idea of what the government 'are up to in the skies'? Otherwise why ask?
So if you have no information at all, do you not find it hard to draw any conclusions at all?
If not, what might these conclusions be based upon?




Posted by: MikeR Feb 24 2014, 04:15 AM

QUOTE (MikeR @ Feb 24 2014, 07:45 PM) *
CORRECT LINK http://jimstonefreelance.com/fukushima1.html
rolleyes.gif
MikeR

Posted by: almerie Feb 24 2014, 07:53 AM

QUOTE (paulmichael @ Feb 23 2014, 05:29 PM) *
What I do for myself, for now (and I stress, "for now"), is to occasionally consume chlorophyll in the form of capsules or liquid. Because it is expensive, every 6 to 12 months, I'll spring for modified citrus pectin (Pecta-Sol). I also will consume a clove of raw garlic and wash it down with fruit juice, Juicy Juice preferred. Never wash raw garlic down with soda unless you are extremely masochistic . These practices purify one of heavy metals and other contaminants.


Well, I don't know how I'll get along without adequate oxygen, and if there is no more photosynthesis, then I guess supplies of powered or liquid chlorophyll will dry up.

P.M.


How do you know that the juice is not contaminated?

Posted by: Obwon Feb 24 2014, 01:11 PM

QUOTE (paulmichael @ Feb 23 2014, 04:13 PM) *
Obwon, what you say has great validity, but try being the voice of reason.

I have witnessed incredible examples of self-destructiveness in the workplace on the part of managers and executives. It's hard to imagine, but self-destructiveness is a very real psychological profile. Megalomania is yet another all too real psychological profile.

[snips]

P.M.


It's a difficult theory to understand, because the possible goals would be so counter productive to people intending to live a life of increased ease and luxury. The only viable goal of such an operation would be for some group of individuals to survive, by reducing the demand on earths resources. In exchange for having to live a much harder life, they would be seeking to extend their own survival. But the problem would be that any such plan would take a very long time to effect, and be very obvious in it's progression. Nor would it attract many converts/cohorts, there would be large resistance within their own ranks, and require the cooperation of many different governments too boot. I just don't see that happening anytime soon.


Posted by: JimMac Feb 24 2014, 02:08 PM

QUOTE (Obwon @ Feb 24 2014, 01:11 PM) *
It's a difficult theory to understand, because the possible goals would be so counter productive to people intending to live a life of increased ease and luxury. The only viable goal of such an operation would be for some group of individuals to survive, by reducing the demand on earths resources. In exchange for having to live a much harder life, they would be seeking to extend their own survival. But the problem would be that any such plan would take a very long time to effect, and be very obvious in it's progression. Nor would it attract many converts/cohorts, there would be large resistance within their own ranks, and require the cooperation of many different governments too boot. I just don't see that happening anytime soon.


While its interesting to speculate on WHY this phenomenon is occurring, i think any such speculation will end up down the rabbit hole. More important is the question (for me at least) as to WHAT is actually going on. 'Chemtrails' per se, is probably the hottest 'conspiracy' topic on the Internet at present - i think it dwarfs any other topic in the genre, which means there is a metric ton of disinfo floating around. There are also a number of co-intel websites devoted to such info, where you may get some facts mixed in with the bullshyt. Among the so-called conspiracy crowd, it seems to be divided into several camps, the largest of which seems to be eugenics, population reduction etc. Personally, I don't give that idea any credence. I think that's part of the disinfo effort, along with the Georgia guide stones, David Icke's lizard people, Jone's fear-mongering, etc

The obvious connection here is military (weather warfare) and corporate interests combined. I think after we know WHAT is going on, then the WHY will be easier to pinpoint.

The WHY must also consider climate change, the new idiom for global warming. If the methane hydrate expulsion in the arctic is as as alarming as it seems to be, then I would look there as a prime cause underlying the phenomena.

Jim

Posted by: JimMac Feb 25 2014, 04:19 PM

As regards the 'WHY' this interview with Dane Wigington over the weekend is very interesting. The radio host and the panel bring the usual questions to the table. Dane's answers present a cogent argument.

www.geoengineeringwatch.org/lopvox-live-with-guest-dane-wigington


Posted by: MikeR Feb 27 2014, 11:11 PM

QUOTE (almerie @ Feb 24 2014, 08:12 PM) *
Argumentum ad hominem? Not directly, but no matter.

How should your post blaming the Jews of causing a tsunami and the Fukushima incident be categorized then?

From your Hint I can guess that you have NO idea of what the government 'are up to in the skies'? Otherwise why ask?
So if you have no information at all, do you not find it hard to draw any conclusions at all?
If not, what might these conclusions be based upon?


The reason NONE of US has the foggiest (sic) idea what's going on in our totally-toxic skies
is that the chemtrailing is being conducted under total military secrecy....a secrecy so fracking militant
that many/most of We the long-suffering People have become trail-blind... a fact NOT
helped by THEM resorting to chicanery such as coloring-in extra skylines in kids'
storybooks and movies. Now, why would THEY resort to such drastic deviousness,
if THEY weren't hellbent on keeping us totally in the dark even about the existence of chemtrailing?

Yet some people SEEM hellbent on refusing to even check the fraudulent-bogus-baloney of the
jet-exhaust condensation-trail axiom**... upon which I resist all temptation to start, you'll doubtless be glad to know.

MikeR

**Albert Einstein (asked to what did he attribute his success): "I never believed an axiom"

Posted by: almerie Feb 28 2014, 02:10 AM

QUOTE (MikeR @ Feb 27 2014, 11:11 PM) *
The reason NONE of US has the foggiest (sic) idea what's going on in our totally-toxic skies
is that the chemtrailing is being conducted under total military secrecy


This quoted sentence does not add up.

If we dont know what is going on, how would we know that this is a secret military operation?
Are you just guessing or do you have any evidence?


Posted by: almerie Feb 28 2014, 02:17 AM

QUOTE (JimMac @ Feb 24 2014, 02:08 PM) *
The obvious connection here is military (weather warfare) and corporate interests combined. I think after we know WHAT is going on, then the WHY will be easier to pinpoint.


I am sorry, but how is this connection obvious?

I agree with you though that there are many odd theories out there and something more substantial should be presented.

If we go with WHAT instead of WHY, would this not require evidence of some kind?

By the way, I have tried to find the credentials of Dane Wigington but without success. Anyone know his background and education?

Posted by: JimMac Feb 28 2014, 08:45 AM

QUOTE (almerie @ Feb 28 2014, 02:17 AM) *
I am sorry, but how is this connection obvious?

I agree with you though that there are many odd theories out there and something more substantial should be presented.

If we go with WHAT instead of WHY, would this not require evidence of some kind?

By the way, I have tried to find the credentials of Dane Wigington but without success. Anyone know his background and education?

First, kindly appreciate i'm speaking to you from a separate reality than yours. I live in a reality where I look up and observe a phenomena, one that is recent in my 61 years of life. I trust my observations. You on the other hand have not arrived at that place, and perhaps never will (no matter). Therefore to me, you are 'asleep', whereas to you, I appear to be probably crazy. I fully understand that position, as I was once in those same shoes, as it were. Before I 'woke-up' to what is going on overhead, I wouldn't bother to give such people talking about chemtrails any credibility whatsoever, in fact I just plain ignored them as being nuts, and some of these people in fact are members of this forum; those who were more advanced in their recognition of this phenomena than i was at the time.
As regards the 'WHAT', i need no further evidence that there is a phenomena, because I am seeing it, almost every day where I live. I am not here to question or to argue whether such phenomena exists, because I clearly see it.
The military is the obvious connection, because we see what appear to be military vehicles conducting the operation, that combined with the fact that military is the only organisation capable of such a global operation, and obviously, the only party that has dominion over the skies.
As for Dane, listen to his presentations, he discusses his background on most of his interviews. He btw is just one person who has documented the phenomena, here's another source that some people will be interested in, if not yourself. I live close enough to this fellow Brian Holmes, such that we observe the same skies. http://www.holmestead.ca/
Jim


Posted by: Obwon Feb 28 2014, 02:24 PM

These chemicals they're supposed to be spraying as observed, most likely would have to fall all the way to the ground to have any effect. Okay for the observations part, but any real scientist would collect samples for testing, so the chemical content could be identified.

For years we've been hearing about the chem trails being observed, but we never hear of any samples being collected and tested. I assume that this should have been the next step, but since it has never yet happened, I tend to disbelieve anything that's all observation and talk about observations, with never anything being collected, tested, and presented as proof.

Or... Perhaps this has been done and I am simply not aware of it?
If that's the case, a link to the research would be nice.
TIA

Posted by: JimMac Mar 1 2014, 02:07 AM

QUOTE (Obwon @ Feb 28 2014, 02:24 PM) *
These chemicals they're supposed to be spraying as observed, most likely would have to fall all the way to the ground to have any effect.

Ignoring sentence as nonsensical.

QUOTE
Okay for the observations part

Observation is the biggest part of science.

QUOTE
but any real scientist would collect samples for testing, so the chemical content could be identified..


See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theoretical_physics for a definition and examples of real science. Specifically, " The advancement of science depends in general on the interplay between experimental studies and theory."

QUOTE
For years we've been hearing about the chem trails being observed, but we never hear of any samples,

Quoting Tonto, 'What mean 'We'? White man.."

QUOTE
being collected and tested. I assume that this should have been the next step, but since it has never yet happened,

Reread my above post, carefully.

QUOTE
I tend to disbelieve anything that's all observation and talk about observations,


Observations are science

QUOTE
with never anything being collected, tested, and presented as proof.

Reread my above post, the one you replied to, more carefully.

QUOTE
Or... Perhaps this has been done and I am simply not aware of it?

Good. You scored the first right answer.

QUOTE
If that's the case, a link to the research would be nice.

You've already been told.

Jim

Posted by: Obwon Mar 1 2014, 09:50 AM

QUOTE (JimMac @ Mar 1 2014, 01:07 AM) *
Ignoring sentence as nonsensical.


Observation is the biggest part of science.


See http://&quot;%20&lt;a%20href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theoretical_physics&quot;&quot;%20target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theoretical_physics&quot;&lt;/a&gt;for a definition and examples of real science. Specifically, " The advancement of science depends in general on the interplay between experimental studies and theory."

Jim


The link above is broken/doesn't work, please advise, Thank you.

Posted by: JimMac Mar 1 2014, 02:25 PM

QUOTE (Obwon @ Mar 1 2014, 09:50 AM) *
The link above is broken/doesn't work, please advise, Thank you.


fixed - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theoretical_physics

Posted by: almerie Mar 2 2014, 04:43 AM

QUOTE (JimMac @ Mar 1 2014, 02:07 AM) *
Observation is the biggest part of science.


No, it is not.

Scientific Theory has many components which vary in importance from project to project.

A typical flow in Scientific Theory could be:
Problem/Question
Observation/Research
Formulate a Hypothesis
Experiment
Collect and Analyze Results
Conclusion
Communicate the Results

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory

Posted by: JimMac Mar 2 2014, 11:33 AM

QUOTE (almerie @ Mar 2 2014, 04:43 AM) *
No, it is not.

Theory and Observation in Science
First published Tue Jan 6, 2009; substantive revision Fri Jan 11, 2013

Scientists obtain a great deal of the evidence they use by observing natural and experimentally generated objects and effects. Much of the standard philosophical literature on this subject comes from 20th century logical positivists and empiricists, their followers, and critics who embraced their issues and accepted some of their assumptions even as they objected to specific views. Their discussions of observational evidence tend to focus on epistemological questions about its role in theory testing. This entry follows their lead even though observational evidence also plays important and philosophically interesting roles in other areas including scientific discovery and the application of scientific theories to practical problems.

The issues that get the most attention in the standard philosophical literature on observation and theory have to do with the distinction between observables and unobservables, the form and content of observation reports, and the epistemic bearing of observational evidence on theories it is used to evaluate. This entry discusses these topics under the following headings:

1. Introduction
2. What do observation reports describe?
3. Is observation an exclusively perceptual process?
4. How observational evidence might be theory laden
5. Salience and theoretical stance
6. Semantic theory loading
7. Operationalization and observation reports
8. Is perception theory laden?
9. How do observational data bear on the acceptability of theoretical claims?
10. Data and phenomena
11. Conclusion

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/science-theory-observation/

Posted by: N2264J Mar 2 2014, 11:37 AM

QUOTE (MikeR @ Feb 23 2014, 01:24 AM) *
Fukushima is a huge false-flag event, bigger by far than 9/11 ever was. Fukushima MUST sooner or later be recognized by the whole wide world as an INTENTIONAL genocidal attack...


So are you guys taking a creative writing class?

Fukushima is a horrible tragedy because GE didn't build the facility hard enough to withstand a tsunami. Once again, huge corporations like General Electric are socializing the risks while privatizing the profits and last year, they paid no taxes. We need a new sheriff in town.

Did you know that there are 12 GE nuclear plants like Fukushima built on US coasts and/or near earthquake fault lines?

QUOTE
There are also eight nuclear power plants located along the seismically active West coast. Twelve of the American reactors that are of the same vintage as the Fukushima Daiichi plant are in seismically active areas...

Experts have long criticized http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Electric's Mark I reactor containment design, because it offered a relatively weak containment vessel...

111 million people live within 50 miles of a U.S. nuclear power plant...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_safety_in_the_United_States

Instead of wringing your hands over false flag tsunamis, you might consider focusing your energy with anti-nuclear groups and/or renewable energy proponents.

Posted by: Obwon Mar 2 2014, 12:43 PM

QUOTE (JimMac @ Mar 1 2014, 01:25 PM) *
fixed - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theoretical_physics


In theoretical physics, they are dealing with theories that are based upon the theories, that are themselves based on observations. In short, they are picking up where actual observations and experimentation is no longer possible, in most cases, this is because we have not yet developed instruments nor techniques necessary to conduct or observe experiments in these areas.

You, however, are presenting observations that are not beyond our levels of technological expertise to sample, collect, manipulate, experiment or observe the results. So then I must ask again, why are you still dealing with theory when it is clear that hard evidence should not be too difficult to obtain? It's not like we're asking you to pinpoint the exact location of an electron in some point in time, or explain the operations of a Higgs Boson or "God Particle".

We're simply asking that if chemicals are being sprayed in the atmosphere, to destroy or alter the environment on the ground. Why haven't samples of these chemicals been obtained, analyzed and presented as cause?

Posted by: almerie Mar 2 2014, 12:57 PM

QUOTE (JimMac @ Mar 2 2014, 11:33 AM) *
Theory and Observation in Science
First published Tue Jan 6, 2009; substantive revision Fri Jan 11, 2013

Scientists obtain a great deal of the evidence they use by observing natural and experimentally generated objects and effects. Much of the standard philosophical literature on this subject comes from 20th century logical positivists and empiricists, their followers, and critics who embraced their issues and accepted some of their assumptions even as they objected to specific views. Their discussions of observational evidence tend to focus on epistemological questions about its role in theory testing. This entry follows their lead even though observational evidence also plays important and philosophically interesting roles in other areas including scientific discovery and the application of scientific theories to practical problems.

The issues that get the most attention in the standard philosophical literature on observation and theory have to do with the distinction between observables and unobservables, the form and content of observation reports, and the epistemic bearing of observational evidence on theories it is used to evaluate. This entry discusses these topics under the following headings:

1. Introduction
2. What do observation reports describe?
3. Is observation an exclusively perceptual process?
4. How observational evidence might be theory laden
5. Salience and theoretical stance
6. Semantic theory loading
7. Operationalization and observation reports
8. Is perception theory laden?
9. How do observational data bear on the acceptability of theoretical claims?
10. Data and phenomena
11. Conclusion

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/science-theory-observation/


Ok, we need to clarify this a bit.

Lets assume that you have formulated a theory like this:

"Our environment is being sprayed with chemicals using military aircraft that leaves socalled chemtrails in the sky" (Please correct me if this should be formulated otherwise)

Like all scientists you would like to prove this.

How would you proceed with your scientific research to prove this theory? By observation alone?

Remember scientists are expected to have their work peer reviewed at some point.


Posted by: JimMac Mar 2 2014, 01:21 PM

QUOTE (almerie @ Mar 2 2014, 12:57 PM) *
Ok, we need to clarify this a bit.

Lets assume that you have formulated a theory like this:

"Our environment is being sprayed with chemicals using military aircraft that leaves socalled chemtrails in the sky" (Please correct me if this should be formulated otherwise)

Like all scientists you would like to prove this.

How would you proceed with your scientific research to prove this theory? By observation alone?

Remember scientists are expected to have their work peer reviewed at some point.


Au contraire mon ami, i am not here to debate whether geoengineering exists. If that's not clear to you, then let's establish that now. This thread is based on the reality that geoengineering exists. So please move on. You're free to establish your own thread as regards similar debate of existence. I thank you in advance to cease derailing the conversation in this thread.
Jim

Posted by: tumetuestumefaisdubien Mar 2 2014, 06:47 PM

QUOTE (JimMac @ Mar 2 2014, 06:21 AM) *
I thank you in advance to cease derailing the conversation in this thread.

Derailing? By trying to point out that seeing trails in the sky is not sufficient evidence for proving genocidial conspiracy? That one needs to find out what the trails perhaps contain and how harmful it can be? Contrary to your opinion to me it looks like trying to get the derailed train going to oblivion of conjectures back on track to finding out what's really going on.

Posted by: JimMac Mar 2 2014, 07:54 PM

QUOTE (tumetuestumefaisdubien @ Mar 2 2014, 06:47 PM) *
Derailing? By trying to point out that seeing trails in the sky is not sufficient evidence for proving genocidial conspiracy? That one needs to find out what the trails perhaps contain and how harmful it can be? Contrary to your opinion to me it looks like trying to get the derailed train going to oblivion of conjectures back on track to finding out what's really going on.


First, you stepped into an exchange between two people, one of them probably a shill, and go on the attack. Second, in my last reply to you, you replied with 'Whatever' , a common form of dismissal, and an insult. On that basis, I'm going to lean back. Believe it not, i have better things to do than entertain rude remarks from aggressively discourteous individuals who appear only interested in arguing.

over and out..

Posted by: almerie Mar 3 2014, 05:36 AM

QUOTE (JimMac @ Mar 2 2014, 01:21 PM) *
Au contraire mon ami, i am not here to debate whether geoengineering exists. If that's not clear to you, then let's establish that now. This thread is based on the reality that geoengineering exists. So please move on. You're free to establish your own thread as regards similar debate of existence. I thank you in advance to cease derailing the conversation in this thread.
Jim


Fair enough as I have no intention of derailing anything.

QUOTE
Note to pilots, aircraft engineers, and anyone in the industry. I'm a little dismayed by the lack of interest shown here in the chemtrail geoengineering phenomena.


This is from your original post in this thread.
You want pilots and aircraft engineers to take an interest in chemtrails , but what will you show to them if they demand proof of these phenomena?


Posted by: tumetuestumefaisdubien Mar 3 2014, 08:56 AM

QUOTE (JimMac @ Mar 2 2014, 12:54 PM) *
First, you stepped into an exchange between two people, one of them probably a shill.

Here I'm lost. Who is the one of the two people who is the shill? The one who asks plausible evidence for the bombastic claims, or the one making such claims without supporting it by a plausible evidence?

Posted by: JimMac Mar 3 2014, 11:45 AM

QUOTE (almerie @ Mar 3 2014, 05:36 AM) *
Fair enough as I have no intention of derailing anything.

This is from your original post in this thread.
You want pilots and aircraft engineers to take an interest in chemtrails , but what will you show to them if they demand proof of these phenomena?


Anyone, pilots included can start by looking up. If you don't see what the rest of us see, then something is wrong. Just because you can't put a beaker of aerosol disbursement through spectrograph analysis, it doesn't mean you can't see it above your head and bear witness to the phenomena. Start there. After you remove the blinders, then we can intelligently discuss spectrograph analysis, and if you won't do that much at a minimum, there's no point in further discussion.
Jim

Posted by: almerie Mar 3 2014, 12:24 PM

QUOTE (JimMac @ Mar 3 2014, 11:45 AM) *
Anyone, pilots included can start by looking up. If you don't see what the rest of us see, then something is wrong. Just because you can't put a beaker of aerosol disbursement through spectrograph analysis, it doesn't mean you can't see it above your head and bear witness to the phenomena. Start there. After you remove the blinders, then we can intelligently discuss spectrograph analysis, and if you won't do that much at a minimum, there's no point in further discussion.
Jim


I have two pilot friends and I think they would laugh at me if I told them to look up.

Pilots fly in and around contrails on an almost daily basis, so this is not news to them.

Pilots have an education with a curriculum involving the physics of aerodynamics, aviation meteorology, aircraft systems, aeromedical factors and so on.

I really think that more substantial information is needed to get pilots interested in this.

Posted by: JimMac Mar 3 2014, 12:30 PM

QUOTE (almerie @ Mar 3 2014, 12:24 PM) *
I have two pilot friends and I think they would laugh at me if I told them to look up.

Pilots fly in and around contrails on an almost daily basis, so this is not news to them.

Pilots have an education with a curriculum involving the physics of aerodynamics, aviation meteorology, aircraft systems, aeromedical factors and so on.

I really think that more substantial information is needed to get pilots interested in this.


Nice try, but pilots go to the supermarket like anyone else. They drive on the highway, and they sit in their backyard, like we all do. They can look up, and see what we all see. So can you. Its not rocket science, its simple observation. Try it sometime.

Posted by: almerie Mar 3 2014, 01:38 PM

QUOTE (JimMac @ Mar 3 2014, 12:30 PM) *
Nice try, but pilots go to the supermarket like anyone else. They drive on the highway, and they sit in their backyard, like we all do. They can look up, and see what we all see. So can you. Its not rocket science, its simple observation. Try it sometime.


I am not quite sure I understand this correctly.

Ok, so people are better qualified looking up at contrails in the sky, rather than looking down from an aircraft flying in or above these contrails?

Pilots even have the opportunity to see the variety, extent and pattern of contrails better than people on the ground.
How is this not important?

In your original post you asked for interest from pilots in chemtrails.
This is of course natural since pilots would be close to the source of this phenomena.
Pilots are very professional people and would require more information than just to be told to look up at the sky.

One of my pilot friends fly for an airline, primarily 737s, and the the other one fly business jets for some charter company.



Posted by: JimMac Mar 3 2014, 01:49 PM

QUOTE (almerie @ Mar 3 2014, 01:38 PM) *
I am not quite sure I understand this correctly.


I think its apparent to any rational person, what your mission here at P4T is, you are a shill. I'll let some others pick up the conversation with you. I'm done wasting time with you.

Jim - out

Posted by: almerie Mar 3 2014, 03:41 PM

QUOTE (JimMac @ Mar 3 2014, 01:49 PM) *
I think its apparent to any rational person, what your mission here at P4T is, you are a shill. I'll let some others pick up the conversation with you. I'm done wasting time with you.

Jim - out


Apparently I am not a rational person then as I have no clue what 'mission' you are talking about?

I was just asking questions about the chemtrails phenomena you described.

I was led to believe by your opening post in this thread, that you were seeking the support of pilots and aircraft engineers?
Was thing wrong? And why the name calling?


Posted by: rob balsamo Mar 3 2014, 03:46 PM

Personal attacks stop now. Discuss the topic.... not the person.

Warnings will be handed out from this point forward for those unable to discuss the topic and attack the person.

Posted by: almerie Mar 4 2014, 10:31 AM

QUOTE (JimMac @ Feb 22 2014, 11:00 PM) *
Posting this video as a separate thread BECAUSE it's at the core of jet engine technology AND chemtrails.

Note to pilots, aircraft engineers, and anyone in the industry. I'm a little dismayed by the lack of interest shown here in the chemtrail geoengineering phenomena. It's wholly germane to the 9/11 truth movement. The same people that took down WTC 1 & 2, and bldg #7 are spraying us all like cockroaches with chemicals that are killing our biosphere, and they have been doing this BEFORE 9/11. Sooner or later you folks are going to wake up to it and the sooner the better. You do have children, yes? Think of them. This planet is being wasted by a chemical aerosol spraying program that is going on 24/7. You guys are ESSENTIAL to get involved in this. If not, by your silence, you are gatekeepers for something that is not the truth. Think about it, please, and make a choice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgL6b7VTxT4#t=1342


Link to technical information about High Bypass Turbofan Jet Engines, which debunks the above link:

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/debunked-high-bypass-turbofans-do-not-make-contrails-actually-they-make-more.3187/

Posted by: JimMac Mar 4 2014, 01:48 PM

QUOTE (almerie @ Mar 4 2014, 10:31 AM) *
Link to technical information about High Bypass Turbofan Jet Engines, which debunks the above link:

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/debunked-high-bypass-turbofans-do-not-make-contrails-actually-they-make-more.3187/


metabunk has many pages devoted to 'debunking' the truth, here's another example:

... it was impossible for these guys generally have bias towards some kind of far fetched conspiracy, such as the few actual airline pilots on P4T.
Pilots for 9/11 Truth claim WTC airplanes would be ...
40 posts
12 Jan 2014
9/11: How hard is it to hit a building at 500mph? | Page 7
40 posts
8 Feb 2013
More results from www.metabunk.org

Posted by: almerie Mar 4 2014, 02:39 PM

QUOTE (JimMac @ Mar 4 2014, 01:48 PM) *
metabunk has many pages devoted to 'debunking' the truth, here's another example:

... it was impossible for these guys generally have bias towards some kind of far fetched conspiracy, such as the few actual airline pilots on P4T.
Pilots for 9/11 Truth claim WTC airplanes would be ...
40 posts
12 Jan 2014
9/11: How hard is it to hit a building at 500mph? | Page 7
40 posts
8 Feb 2013
More results from www.metabunk.org


I am not sure what your point is with the above post?


Posted by: rob balsamo Mar 6 2014, 03:31 PM

QUOTE (JimMac @ Mar 4 2014, 12:48 PM) *
metabunk has many pages devoted to 'debunking' the truth, here's another example:

... it was impossible for these guys generally have bias towards some kind of far fetched conspiracy, such as the few actual airline pilots on P4T.
Pilots for 9/11 Truth claim WTC airplanes would be ...
40 posts
12 Jan 2014
9/11: How hard is it to hit a building at 500mph? | Page 7
40 posts
8 Feb 2013
More results from www.metabunk.org


The place is a joke. I registered there last night and was banned within a few hours by "Mick West" for being "impolite". Meanwhile, https://www.metabunk.org/threads/easyjet-737-incident-debunks-pilot-for-9-11-truth-vg-diagram-video.3160/#post-93109. Unfortunately I was banned before I had a chance to answer, which I expected since I exposed the BS being spouted by their two resident "experts" in short order.

Most if not all of the claims made by "TWCobra" and "Weedwhacker" are pure strawmans, which is why they fail to source many of their claims. I cannot count how many times I have corrected both of them with actual evidence and experience. It is the very reason they refuse to come here for debate and rather would attack us on forums in which they know I cannot respond. Typical... rolleyes.gif

For those who would like to read through my posts made there... click here....
https://www.metabunk.org/members/spacecowboy.4252/
(click the postings tab in the upper center).

For the metabunk readers who would like answers to their questions, feel free to register here and I will answer as time permits. And unlike Metabunk, we won't make up some stupid "impolite" excuse to ban you.. .especially without warning, as was done to me at Metabunk.

We have several people here who disagree with our work. Even the notorious P4T cyber stalker Keith Beachy is http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=22540&view=findpost&p=10811615 and can post (although he claims he is banned..). He doesn't confront us directly here because he knows his repetitive nonsense has been debunked years ago. It was funny to see Beachy register within roughly an hour after I registered at MB... he is like my little lap dog. Now if only he could tell the difference between http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=20979&view=findpost&p=10793515, or put together a http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=20979&view=findpost&p=10810555...lol

I digress....


But again, for the Metabunk readers who would like answers to their questions, feel free to post it here and I'll be happy to help.


Posted by: JimMac Mar 6 2014, 11:24 PM

QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Mar 6 2014, 03:31 PM) *
The place is a joke. I registered there last night and was banned within a few hours by "Mick West" for being "impolite". Meanwhile, https://www.metabunk.org/threads/easyjet-737-incident-debunks-pilot-for-9-11-truth-vg-diagram-video.3160/#post-93109. Unfortunately I was banned before I had a chance to answer, which I expected since I exposed the BS being spouted by their two resident "experts" in short order.

Most if not all of the claims made by "TWCobra" and "Weedwhacker" are pure strawmans, which is why they fail to source many of their claims. I cannot count how many times I have corrected both of them with actual evidence and experience. It is the very reason they refuse to come here for debate and rather would attack us on forums in which they know I cannot respond. Typical... rolleyes.gif

For those who would like to read through my posts made there... click here....
https://www.metabunk.org/members/spacecowboy.4252/
(click the postings tab in the upper center).

For the metabunk readers who would like answers to their questions, feel free to register here and I will answer as time permits. And unlike Metabunk, we won't make up some stupid "impolite" excuse to ban you.. .especially without warning, as was done to me at Metabunk.

We have several people here who disagree with our work. Even the notorious P4T cyber stalker Keith Beachy is http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=22540&view=findpost&p=10811615 and can post (although he claims he is banned..). He doesn't confront us directly here because he knows his repetitive nonsense has been debunked years ago. It was funny to see Beachy register within roughly an hour after I registered at MB... he is like my little lap dog. Now if only he could tell the difference between http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=20979&view=findpost&p=10793515, or put together a http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=20979&view=findpost&p=10810555...lol

I digress....


But again, for the Metabunk readers who would like answers to their questions, feel free to post it here and I'll be happy to help.


You've already posted this information elsewhere. We got it.

In this thread however, you are playing into the hand of the troll.
Jim

Posted by: JimMac Mar 6 2014, 11:42 PM

On the thread topic, my reflections. We live in what I call the 'post truth era'. It's a time in my living memory when the truth became whatever 'they', want it to be, whatever they say it is. Colin Powell four-star general, demonstrated that nicely. He lied through his teeth, to bring you a war. In case you didn't get it the first time, Karl Rove spelled it out, the reality is what they make it, and we are left to study the outcome, while they are again ahead of us, making something else we can study too.

You are either with them, or against them. You are either with the lie, or against it. I made my choice a long time ago.
Jim

Posted by: MikeR Mar 7 2014, 07:12 AM

QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Mar 7 2014, 07:31 AM) *
The place is a joke. I registered there last night and was banned within a few hours by "Mick West" for being "impolite".


In any more productive context I'd be seriously curious about your knack, getting as far as registration, Rob.

Mick might've slipped up in allowing your foot in the door ... he wouldn't let me get that near the fracking portal.

Maybe it had something to do with my tautologically irrelevant off topic comment about whether he'd been
failing for 10 years (or was it 12?) to con somebody to relent and give him his PPL.

Hell, some debunkers would never even get as high as Ground Zero

MikeR

Posted by: MikeR Mar 8 2014, 08:25 AM

The Pilot-Industrial-Chemtrail disinfo trolls are caught red-handed.
BEST PROOF of how the chemtrails are piped to the Whole Waiting World I have ever come across.

A photographer sneaked a close-up of an unauthodox on-pylon modification which clearly implies how chem
could exit the pipe seen in her photo. There's a very good (="very bad") reason why the pipe mod is located
hidden in plane (sic) sight, on the actual engine pylon, aligned with the engine exhaust


The photo gives the game away.... but the proof lies in the sheer idiocy of the ensuing debunkery. Link opens in new tab.

I couldn't believe how blatantly-obvious the disinfo has become now. Are the NWO zionists
about to give up their Earth-Conquering mission and retire gracefully to Mars ASAP?
(Or is MikeR just dreaming again?)

These modified pipes now have to become drain pipes, and it becomes overwhelmingly obvious the
chemtrail perpeTRAITORs have given paid instruction$ that as many phony websites as inhumanely
as possible were to be fed into the WWW system. They hope to fool some of the People, some of the time.

When I found the first debunkery mention of a "PYLON DRAIN PIPE", I smelled a rat,
A large rat leftover from the Vulture's Picnic .

I entered "pylon drain" into G**gl*... and as I expected, there's an enormous variety of websites just cropped up,
all discussing http://www.scribd.com/doc/104431928/59/PYLON-DRAINS

There's even a few actual patents been invented for the occasion...I kid you not.
One of the patents has a never-before-heard-of 11-figure case number.

But who in their right mind would ever think to http://www.google.com/patents/US20120104162
no more radical than a 10 foot length of stupid 1'' aluminum pipe?

(Unless a grossly-overpaid perepeTRAITOR's disinformation agent)

One of the taller tales involves alcohol being dribbled back down the alleged pylon main-drain pipe to http://www.37000feet.com/report/897291/line-mechanic-reported-a-B767-300-number-one-engine-aft-pylon-drain....
how can they type this, and keep a straight face?

Then there's the http://wtruib.ru/amm2/taskview.php?task=54-50-00-000-001-Ah Russian Maintenance Manual with glasnost instructions on "removal of the pylon" ...
(I am NOT making this up....) But still no info on something so trivial as "removal of the engine"...

(So how DO the Russians manage to prevent high voltage cables crashing onto Steppes?)

Even the commercial competition is http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2013/0221157.html for the improvement of pylon covering...
presumably to hide real-fake pipes from prying photogs?

All of a sudden every airplane has to get fitted with pylon drains, whether http://www.allaero.com/aircraft-parts/6251022-13
forgot to put them in or not. There's a helluva lot of alleged condensate that needs draining,
from the front of the pylon to the rear... or does pylon-drain flow-theory now mandate reverse-delivery?

Flight log entries encourage pre-pre-flight checks on http://www.37000feet.com/report/370047/B747-200-was-dispatched-with-a-1-engine-pylon-drain-cover-missing... to make sure our attention is fully distracted
from anything that could possibly link back to the terrible secret-chem-pipes that we were never s'posed to spot

We can no longer trust any American airplane manufacturer such as Cessna to raise their standards
to the dizzy heights of eptitude needed to produce http://www.cessnadirect.com/7012116-6.htmlof certifiable standards
so such extremely-complex parts get sub-contracted out to our main pylon drain clip manufactory
at Yingling Aviation. Every kid knows Yingling Aviation is now the only Obamacare-certified manufacturer
which can achieve for the price, the astronautical standards the actual pylon drain clip HT bolts and the Nylock++ ™ nuts
that attach the actual pylon drain clip to the actual pylon.

Which, as every kid knows, is held up by the actual engine.... cheers.gif

MikeR

Look Dora, you Dumb dame, whatever makes ya think I'm kiddin'?
I couldn't possibly make up fiction this fracking unbelievable...
Never... not even if you paid me

Oh all right, Dear .... in that case, Paypal a dollar or 3 to pylondrainrefills@gmail.com

Posted by: Quest Mar 8 2014, 08:33 PM

QUOTE (MikeR @ Mar 8 2014, 01:25 PM) *
The Pilot-Industrial-Chemtrail disinfo trolls are caught red-handed.
BEST PROOF of how the chemtrails are piped to the Whole Waiting World I have ever come across.

A photographer sneaked a close-up of an unauthodox on-pylon modification which clearly implies how chem
could exit the pipe seen in her photo. There's a very good (="very bad") reason why the pipe mod is located
hidden in plane (sic) sight, on the actual engine pylon, aligned with the engine exhaust


The photo gives the game away.... but the proof lies in the sheer idiocy of the ensuing debunkery. Link opens in new tab.

I couldn't believe how blatantly-obvious the disinfo has become now. Are the NWO zionists
about to give up their Earth-Conquering mission and retire gracefully to Mars ASAP?
(Or is MikeR just dreaming again?)

These modified pipes now have to become drain pipes, and it becomes overwhelmingly obvious the
chemtrail perpeTRAITORs have given paid instruction$ that as many phony websites as inhumanely
as possible were to be fed into the WWW system. They hope to fool some of the People, some of the time.

When I found the first debunkery mention of a "PYLON DRAIN PIPE", I smelled a rat,
A large rat leftover from the Vulture's Picnic .

I entered "pylon drain" into G**gl*... and as I expected, there's an enormous variety of websites just cropped up,
all discussing http://www.scribd.com/doc/104431928/59/PYLON-DRAINS

There's even a few actual patents been invented for the occasion...I kid you not.
One of the patents has a never-before-heard-of 11-figure case number.

But who in their right mind would ever think to http://www.google.com/patents/US20120104162
no more radical than a 10 foot length of stupid 1'' aluminum pipe?

(Unless a grossly-overpaid perepeTRAITOR's disinformation agent)

One of the taller tales involves alcohol being dribbled back down the alleged pylon main-drain pipe to http://www.37000feet.com/report/897291/line-mechanic-reported-a-B767-300-number-one-engine-aft-pylon-drain....
how can they type this, and keep a straight face?

Then there's the http://wtruib.ru/amm2/taskview.php?task=54-50-00-000-001-Ah Russian Maintenance Manual with glasnost instructions on "removal of the pylon" ...
(I am NOT making this up....) But still no info on something so trivial as "removal of the engine"...

(So how DO the Russians manage to prevent high voltage cables crashing onto Steppes?)

Even the commercial competition is http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2013/0221157.html for the improvement of pylon covering...
presumably to hide real-fake pipes from prying photogs?

All of a sudden every airplane has to get fitted with pylon drains, whether http://www.allaero.com/aircraft-parts/6251022-13
forgot to put them in or not. There's a helluva lot of alleged condensate that needs draining,
from the front of the pylon to the rear... or does pylon-drain flow-theory now mandate reverse-delivery?

Flight log entries encourage pre-pre-flight checks on http://www.37000feet.com/report/370047/B747-200-was-dispatched-with-a-1-engine-pylon-drain-cover-missing... to make sure our attention is fully distracted
from anything that could possibly link back to the terrible secret-chem-pipes that we were never s'posed to spot

We can no longer trust any American airplane manufacturer such as Cessna to raise their standards
to the dizzy heights of eptitude needed to produce http://www.cessnadirect.com/7012116-6.htmlof certifiable standards
so such extremely-complex parts get sub-contracted out to our main pylon drain clip manufactory
at Yingling Aviation. Every kid knows Yingling Aviation is now the only Obamacare-certified manufacturer
which can achieve for the price, the astronautical standards the actual pylon drain clip HT bolts and the Nylock++ ™ nuts
that attach the actual pylon drain clip to the actual pylon.

Which, as every kid knows, is held up by the actual engine.... cheers.gif

MikeR

Look Dora, you Dumb dame, whatever makes ya think I'm kiddin'?
I couldn't possibly make up fiction this fracking unbelievable...
Never... not even if you paid me

Oh all right, Dear .... in that case, Paypal a dollar or 3 to pylondrainrefills@gmail.com


Great post MikeR! I noticed some of the same things you pointed out about the "Pylon drain" issue. I am going to have to go back and look into it more closely. Like you, I smell a rat.

cheers.gif

Posted by: bill Mar 9 2014, 06:30 PM



Kirsten Meghan lists metabunk as a known disinfo site -- no surprise here

Posted by: MikeR Mar 11 2014, 08:40 PM

QUOTE (Quest @ Mar 9 2014, 12:33 PM) *
Great post MikeR! I noticed some of the same things you pointed out about the "Pylon drain" issue. I am going to have to go back and look into it more closely. Like you, I smell a rat.

cheers.gif


Thanks Quest.

Another rat I smell is that Warren, lurking low in our corner of the rabbit hole*,
seems more interested in discussing P4T trolls than investigating pilot drains.

Something not quite right about that line .... your dyslexia
is taking over from your typing finger, MikeR

*Warren rabbit hole geddit, dumb Dora?

Posted by: paulmichael Sep 2 2014, 11:01 AM

QUOTE (MikeR @ Feb 23 2014, 01:24 AM) *
Fukushima is a huge false-flag event, bigger by far than 9/11 ever was.

Fukushima MUST sooner or later be recognized by the whole wide world as
an INTENTIONAL genocidal attack...

In actual fact Fukushima was an act of WAR...

Fukushima was destroyed by nukes.


When I first learned about the proposition that the Japanese earthquake and tsunami of March 11, 2011 were manmade, I thought that it was outlandish.

Then, having read more and more on the subject, I have come to learn that many level-headed, prominent people have subscribed to the notion that the earthquake and tsunami were, in fact, manmade events.

However, most adherents to that school of thought don't point a finger of accusation to undersea nuclear bombs, but to HAARP.

Whether nukes or HAARP is to blame makes no difference when one considers motive for such action.

Who in his right mind would intentionally set off what could very well be a human extinction level event? No one! In the absence of valid motive, 3/11/2012 cannot be termed a "false flag attack."

So, I think that maybe, just maybe what happened on 3/11/2011 was done accidentally (like Malaysia Airlines flight 370 possibly being zapped out of the sky and into oblivion by some new weaponry) OR THE EARTHQUAKE AND TSUNAMI WERE NOT THE PRECIPTIATING CAUSES FOR A CRITICAL EVENT which may have been in progress PRIOR to the earthquake and tsunami.

I feel that the off-the-norm use of MOX fuel in reactor #3 at Fukushima Daichii was highly suspect and tantamount to a risky experiment, probably more risky than the experimental test that set off a chain of events leading to the meltdown of the reactor core at Chernobyl.

What brought this possibility to my attention was an obscure Youtube video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8l947Cw0fsY .

According to the video's nuclear technician who presents his theory about what happened at Fukushima Daichii, the use of MOX fuel in rector #3 caused things to go very much awry. The rising criticality of the situation caused authorities to use chemtrails to address things and then HAARP, and that's when things really got out of hand and started to go catastrophic.

I have problems with inconsistencies in reports of the evacuation of 90 percent of the nuclear power plant workers at Daichii, and so I am led to suspect that if there was such a quick exodus, it occurred BEFORE the earthquake and tsunami, not after.

P.M.

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