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Hello Everyone. So.... Is That It?

IsaacNewton
post Nov 15 2013, 05:47 AM
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I don't think any rational person who looks at the overwhelming mountain of evidence can avoid the obvious conclusion that highly placed individuals within the United States Government are at least partly, if not solely, responsible for the events of September 11, 2001. I'm just wondering now, as I survey the seemingly endless list of people whose reputations, credentials and collective experience are literally above reproach....



Is that it? I understand they've had the courage to step forward and demand answers by signing a petition but.... Where is the outrage? It's been well over a decade now and, presumably, the same individuals who were responsible for this crime, which can only be described as purest evil, are still in control of this country today, and are still actively engaged, right now, in committing further crimes! Crimes which, as someone on the that long list of noteworthy people put it "....may signal the end of the American Experiment". How can this be?

It's going to take more than a petition to resolve this issue. An emergency situation requires an emergency response.... This is an emergency and has been since September 11, 2001. Do they honestly believe that their petition willl motivate the same government that committed the crime to indict and convict itself? If the American people don't take action, and soon, it will be over.

It may already be to late.... I don't know how much credibility to attach to them, but I'm reading on the internet about the Department Of Homeland Security stockpiling billions of rounds of hollow point ammunition, mysterious "facilities" that resemble prisons being built all over the country and large plastic coffins, or "vaults" being stockpiled by FEMA, alledgedly "....just in case something happens". That doesn't sound very good. If anyone has any reliable information about that I'd be grateful to review it, if they'd care to post it.

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post Nov 15 2013, 07:08 AM
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While I'm here in the introduction forum, I think I'll share one of my drawings with you (I was once an artist)....

Here is "The Temple" A Pen and Ink drawing I did using a Rapidograph drafting pen that draws a line about the width of a human hair. About 20x24 inches, all freehand, no preliminary sketch, loosely modeled on a Roman style temple in Turkey I saw a picture of. The technique is stippling (dots). It took between three and four hundred hours. I hope you enjoy it!



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post Nov 15 2013, 07:42 AM
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Your missive sounds akin to the lyrics of 'Is that all there is? by Peggy Lee"

There really is only one way out of this mess in which we find ourselves: A New Paradigm Of Government.

You see? The Founders of the United States of America, were working with what they had at the time, and with what they were familiar. The problem though was that they weren't sufficiently far-seeing enough. Their plan was to seek an 'immediate solution' to their present problem.

Thomas Paine warned appropriately enough: "When we are planning for posterity, we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary."

Even back then, the plan for government was full of holes, and ~that~ was fully revealed with the entirely treasonous, conniving, and machinating Alexander Hamiliton , he with his incessant invidious attacks upon Thomas Jefferson. He further revealed for scum bag he was, when he lead the charge into Pennsylvania against the Whiskey Rebellion.

The New Paradigm Of Government has in its essence, the weakest of governments, for it will be the People themselves who make ALL the law through quarterly plebiscites. No elected or appointed person will have ~any~ power to enact anything, period. For any law, rule, or regulation to be enacted, a bare minimum of 80% of ALL the citizens MUST vote in the affirmative, or the suggested legislation fails, and cannot again be placed before the People for a period of 20 years.

Excepting the various Constitutions, any law, rule, or regulation may be overturned at any plebiscite with no less than 20+% of citizenry, inasmuch as that would indicate fewer than 80% supported the continuation of that law.

Further yet, ALL laws, rules, and regulations —save the various Constitutions— expire at the end of their third year of existence, unless 80% of the citizenry votes to extend for another three years.

Additionally, in NO CASE —regardless— shall any law, rule, regulation or other effect in law be enacted which shall in any way, manner, fashion, shape or form, impede, diminish, infringe, limit, contravene, negate or otherwise intrude upon whatever individual right of the People.

In its essence, the New Paradigm places ALL the power —and responsibility— of government into the hands of the People where it rightfully, and justly belongs.

If the People are making the law, then they WILL know exactly what is in that law, and how it will affect their lives.

Had A New Paradigm Of Government been in operation, then the United States Of America would NOT have been in any of the wars in which it had engaged, from 1812 onwards.



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post Nov 15 2013, 10:00 AM
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Good question there, Mr. Newton! (and, btw, awesome drawing too!) I re-posted your comment on Facebook, as something worth pondering.

In my humble opinion, the petitions calling for a new investigation are just another means of spreading awareness of the depths of this Crime. Would a U.S. government led investigation resolve anything? Most likely not. Perhaps what is really needed is an international tribunal on the scale of Nuremberg. At any rate, real change will not come about until the "outrage" that you look for materializes, that is, until awareness becomes prevalent enough in society to finally tip the scales. From what I hear it is still barely 50% of the U.S. population that are questioning the official story of 9/11. What is up with the other half? Too stupid to think? Too wrapped up in their daily lives, or too afraid of what they might learn? The change to a new "paradigm" is gradual I think, but it is happening.

On the question of DHS preparations for wide spread civil unrest, of basically war against the American people, I think this is definitely something to be alarmed about. I have probably read the same internet reports as you have, such as those from infowars and Jesse Ventura. I have also had opportunity to question a couple DHS goons about this. Early one morning a DHS tactical team rolled up a back woods dirt road here in Montana to invade the home of a neighbor, supposedly due to their 18 year old son downloading child porn and contacting under-aged girls online. They searched the home for 10 hours, questioned all family members and confiscated the family computer. Could it have had anything to do with the fact that the father is a member of a local militia? When I heard something was up, I went over to see, and was stopped in the driveway by these two DHS armed goons. Not allowed to go talk to the family, I instead talked with the agents. What do they have to say about this massive stock-piling of ammunition by DHS I asked. One claimed to know nothing about it. Really, I asked... so you never go online or read the news? The second guy admitted knowing about it, but feigned indignation, claiming the bullets are used for practice, and are not excessive. They just need that many to hone their skills you know. Really, I asked... with hollow points? Yes, he says, it is important to practice with the same ammo you would use in the field... (!!!) Good grief... what turnip truck did he think I fell off of? Hollow points are designed for maximum damage to humans; they are not generally used for practice due their higher cost. It is comical to suggest the difference in weight is something a shooter would notice. If that were true, then after every shot the shooter would have to re-calibrate his aim, since the gun would become that much lighter... lol. Anyway, what this encounter told me is that DHS is a den of liars, from the top right down to the hired goons, and is not to be trusted.
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post Nov 15 2013, 11:16 AM
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QUOTE (rockymtriser @ Nov 15 2013, 10:00 AM) *
Good question there, Mr. Newton! (and, btw, awesome drawing too!) I re-posted your comment on Facebook, as something worth pondering.

In my humble opinion, the petitions calling for a new investigation are just another means of spreading awareness of the depths of this Crime. Would a U.S. government led investigation resolve anything? Most likely not. Perhaps what is really needed is an international tribunal on the scale of Nuremberg. At any rate, real change will not come about until the "outrage" that you look for materializes, that is, until awareness becomes prevalent enough in society to finally tip the scales. From what I hear it is still barely 50% of the U.S. population that are questioning the official story of 9/11. What is up with the other half? Too stupid to think? Too wrapped up in their daily lives, or too afraid of what they might learn? The change to a new "paradigm" is gradual I think, but it is happening.

On the question of DHS preparations for wide spread civil unrest, of basically war against the American people, I think this is definitely something to be alarmed about. I have probably read the same internet reports as you have, such as those from infowars and Jesse Ventura. I have also had opportunity to question a couple DHS goons about this. Early one morning a DHS tactical team rolled up a back woods dirt road here in Montana to invade the home of a neighbor, supposedly due to their 18 year old son downloading child porn and contacting under-aged girls online. They searched the home for 10 hours, questioned all family members and confiscated the family computer. Could it have had anything to do with the fact that the father is a member of a local militia? When I heard something was up, I went over to see, and was stopped in the driveway by these two DHS armed goons. Not allowed to go talk to the family, I instead talked with the agents. What do they have to say about this massive stock-piling of ammunition by DHS I asked. One claimed to know nothing about it. Really, I asked... so you never go online or read the news? The second guy admitted knowing about it, but feigned indignation, claiming the bullets are used for practice, and are not excessive. They just need that many to hone their skills you know. Really, I asked... with hollow points? Yes, he says, it is important to practice with the same ammo you would use in the field... (!!!) Good grief... what turnip truck did he think I fell off of? Hollow points are designed for maximum damage to humans; they are not generally used for practice due their higher cost. It is comical to suggest the difference in weight is something a shooter would notice. If that were true, then after every shot the shooter would have to re-calibrate his aim, since the gun would become that much lighter... lol. Anyway, what this encounter told me is that DHS is a den of liars, from the top right down to the hired goons, and is not to be trusted.



Good post.

IMO, most folks that believe the official story do so involuntarily. Something subconscious inside their head will not let them confront the truth, so they fall into the "ignorance is bliss" mindset.
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post Nov 15 2013, 11:31 AM
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QUOTE (amazed! @ Nov 13 2013, 01:16 PM) *
Good post.

IMO, most folks that believe the official story do so involuntarily. Something subconscious inside their head will not let them confront the truth, so they fall into the "ignorance is bliss" mindset.


It's the way in which those people are raised: Question nothing, and believe everyone, especially if it happens to be said on the TEE VEE. blink.gif
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post Nov 15 2013, 02:05 PM
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Is that it? Maybe not. Any practical suggestions on how to put us directly onto a more wholesome and honest course?
I am at a loss, other than to keep spreading awareness. Their hubris will lead to a situation where this may be a trump card. It is difficult to adjust to these massive incongruities and timescales.
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post Nov 15 2013, 02:30 PM
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rockymtriser "I re-posted your comment on Facebook, as something worth pondering."

Nice to meet you (and all).... Is there a link to that? I'd like to read the comments, if any.
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post Nov 15 2013, 03:38 PM
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Hello hanky (nice to meet you)....

Hanky "Any practical suggestions on how to put us directly onto a more wholesome and honest course?"

It seems to me that, in view of the overwhelming magnitude and urgency of the situation, and the all but certain dire consequences of continued inaction, that a more confrontational approach would bring the issue to the fore internationally (ideally resulting in boycotts, embargos and other economic sanctions). This would hurt the United States (and its people), and it must be hurt, to force it take some kind of action to finally address the reality and horror of what has occurred, and correct it.

I know that many protests, in the past, that would not otherwise have made headlines did make headlines, both here and abroad, when just one well known person or celebrity took part and intentionally got themselves arrested for civil disobedience.

Just imagine, for a moment, what the reaction would be, internationally, if all the people on that list were to assemble at "Ground Zero", or outside the White House for a protest, similar to or modelled after the "Occupy Movement" protests, along with any other like minded people who could be persuaded to participate, and get themselves arrested. Global awarenes of this genuine ongoing emergency and continuing crime would be greatly magnified, and may even spur some sort of immediate international intervention.

It would be a start.

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post Nov 15 2013, 09:28 PM
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Hello EJT....

EJT "There really is only one way out of this mess in which we find ourselves: A New Paradigm Of Government."

I've considered similar ideas, but I think we can agree that there's very little chance of any meaningful consensus being reached by the people on that. The Constitution is a beautiful and magnificently crafted document. If followed, it can and will serve us as well.

One change that (in my opinion) must be demanded, one which would immediately and dramatically impact The Constitution's efficacy, for the good of the people, would be to outlaw the practice of lobbying, which, as anyone can see is really nothing more than an institutionalized form of bribery that wholly subverts the will of the people. The exclusive access to legislators granted to lobbyists acting in the interest of large corporations (among others) has eroded the very foundation of this democracy.

On this, I think there's a much better chance of consenus being reached by the people. The Supreme Court's revolting decision to protect this activity as "free speech" would have to be overturned. Without that first step, nothing else the people do will make a difference.

That would be a great start on the road back to self governance by the people, which is clearly not happening currently, and has not been happeningfor a very, very long time.

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post Nov 16 2013, 09:34 AM
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.... Is there a link to that? I'd like to read the comments, if any.
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https://www.facebook.com/rockymtrider

I looked this morning and there were no comments. I assumed the crickets were telling me that people are getting tired of hearing about it. I noticed that none of my posts of late have had any comments. hmmm... Then I noticed that my privacy settings had gotten messed up, and only a couple people were being allowed to see it. doh1.gif Fixed that, but now that it is day old news it may not be seen by many. lol... always complications...
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QUOTE (EJT @ Nov 15 2013, 11:31 AM) *
It's the way in which those people are raised: Question nothing, and believe everyone, especially if it happens to be said on the TEE VEE. blink.gif



Exactly right, the behavioral conditioning has been going on for a long time.

But we know that in a time of universal deception, speaking the truth is a radical act. My opinion is that most people are certainly interested and curious about just what the truth is. I think they're just afraid to talk about it in public? Who knows, but those who are willing to talk about it in public all understand that they've been fooled.
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QUOTE (hanky @ Nov 15 2013, 02:05 PM) *
Is that it? Maybe not. Any practical suggestions on how to put us directly onto a more wholesome and honest course?
I am at a loss, other than to keep spreading awareness. Their hubris will lead to a situation where this may be a trump card. It is difficult to adjust to these massive incongruities and timescales.



At some point, we're dealing with a psychological phenomenon, and it must be faced. How and why do humans practice denying reality? I suppose everyman has been in denial himself, for some time. Or have the urge to practice denial, to fool oneself into believing something else that does not comport with reality.

I completely agree that spreading awareness is probably the only course there is. cheers.gif
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So.... for a variety of reasons (correct me if I'm wrong), the best thing to do is to keep the discussion alive so that hopefully, at some point, someday, somebody with the ability to takes action and finally does something about it. That strategy didn't work out so well for the citizens of Germany a while back, and I don't think it's going to work out so well for us now either.

I wonder. Should I write an open letter to all those gifted, illustrious people who signed the petition? To all the people on that list, asking them.... In view of the fact that no satisfactory response to your obviously well founded concerns have been forthcoming, isn't it your duty, as verifiably knowlegable persons, with unimpeachable collective experience, credibility and expertise, to take some kind of action greater than that already taken?

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QUOTE (IsaacNewton @ Nov 15 2013, 09:47 AM) *
I don't think any rational person who looks at the overwhelming mountain of evidence....


But pathetically after 12 years: no (even attempted) explanation nor proof.

I gather that this very community of experts, can't even decide whether or not Boeing 757s & 767s could have flown at the claimed and witnessed combination of speeds and altitudes.

Then there are the continued debates on one's ability to make cellular phone calls from the alleged plane altitudes.

Did a plane hit The Pentagon?

Was there or wasn't there a "pod" attached beneath Flight 175?

Then there are the preposterous: no planes-"Vicsims" theories.

The only real consensus I see from the September 11th sceptics, is to decry 9/11: "an inside job" and to passionately claim that a controlled demolition brought down the world trade center; throwing in the terms "at freefall speed" & "in its own footprint".

I have no doubt that at least the U.S. government did plan and execute those attacks; and each day (since I started four months ago) make steady progress in my comprehension.
But let's not delude ourselves that a mountain of conjecture, error, doubt and above all suspicion, amounts to a compelling case for the prosecution.
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Throwing in the terms "at freefall speed"? This is one of those rare instances where the "Official Conspiracy Theory" and the alternative, or so called "Truther Conspiracy Theory" actually intersect in agreement on one point, and that is WTC 7 came down at gravitational acceleration (free fall).

So, when you say that the words "at free fall speed" are just being thrown in your actually talking issue not only with David Chandler, the High School teacher that first brought attention to it, but also with the NIST itself, which conducted a formal analysis of WTC 7 video and refined David Chandlers approximation of 2.5 seconds down to 2.25 seconds.

It's a matter of official record that WTC 7 came down at gravitatonal acceleration (free fall) for 8 stories, or 105 feet.

How's the Air Force treating you?

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poppyburner "But pathetically after 12 years: no (even attempted) explanation nor proof."

Exactly! I'm really upset with the NIST about that too. Looks like a clear case of....

....Guerrilla's in the NIST



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"But pathetically after 12 years: no (even attempted) explanation nor proof..."

I would take issue with this statement, as there have certainly been proofs uncovered and solid explanations asserted over the last 12 years. But I do get your point: there do remain questions and disagreements in the community of honest researchers. So how can we step forward making demands of those esteemed ones who have spoken up about inconsistencies of the government story, insisting that they confront the government directly, camping out on the White House lawn and carrying rebellious placards to force the wicked government to do our bidding. To do what exactly? Who exactly are we to string up?

Change will follow a natural sequence. At the stage we are presently in what is totally appropriate is to keep calling for a real, independent investigation. This is what is needed to resolve the many questions about what really happened, because there is so much information that we the public just do not have access to. The rudimentary truths that validate such a call are the proofs which have been uncovered, primarily I think the solid evidence of explosives used to take down the WTC 1,2 and 7, as presented by Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth. This evidence puts NIST and fool debunkers like those at Popular Mechanics to shame.

And the other process currently underway is the spreading of awareness among the population. This is having an effect, as can be seen by the recent attempt by the government to drag us into another conflict with Syria being shredded. People are waking up, however slowly it may sometimes seem. When a critical mass is reached, something like the story of the 100th monkey, overwhelming change will just happen. The government may try another false flag, only to be met by a resounding "bullshit" from the people, "we are not backing you up anymore!"

For now, we are still in a real battle, an "information war" if you will. So what do you do when in the middle of a fight? You just keep fighting! Don't give up.
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Newton,

To be clear, I'm not disputing the claim's accuracy, but rather making an example of the ubiquitous buzz phrase in lieu of a thorough, plausible, explanation (on our part).

After all these years, can you confidently tell me what happened to the passengers and crew? Surely a fundamental question? Based on all I've seen hitherto, this issue alone seems to be something of a black hole in the 9/11 Truth movement; which is in shameful disarray.

rockymtriser,

Thanks for the encouragement (which I echo).
Sure, there are some excellent bits and pieces, but unlike the triumphing U.S. government, we've embarrassingly no complete tapestry, and are unsurprised that the public's ignoring/dismissing us?

The September 11th attacks are and will continue to be the pretext and nucleus of innumerable, self-righteous, subsequent atrocities in the 21st century. I believe that our only realistic hope in toppling this gargantuan avalanche of evil, is to finally address its crux: what actually happened on that day???

Not: what was weird, what doesn't add up, what's blatantly suspicious; instead, a lucid, comprehensive, account, simple enough for laymen to mentally apprehend and us all to succinctly propagate.


Poirot would be spinning in his grave.
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poppyburner "....instead, a lucid, comprehensive, account, simple enough for laymen to mentally apprehend and us all to succinctly propagate."

Right.... WTC 7 would be perfect for that. It's been thouroughly researched and clearly explained (a complete theory that's consistent with physical principles) now for some time, and the principles involved are easily understandable to the layman.
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