Attn! Civilization Has Collapsed. Chaos Reigns., You are living through the post-rapture Options

[George Hayduke]

I'm basically now of the opinion that we've reached the point of diminishing returns for meaningful participation in so-called society. My research indicates that civilization, if it ever existed, has collapsed. It is important that researchers pinpoint exactly when that collapse took place. I would suggest 11/22/63 as the date but that is speculative.

While the projectors of the myth of the continued life of civilization will work endlessly to keep this myth foisted, chaos reigns. Primitive, brutal men with guns rule as puppets of the slavers and thus determine the fate of the masses, who are essentially their hostages, serfs and slaves. Congratulations, you lived to see not only the end but the aftermath.

The chaos will accelerate proportionally to the destruction of the abovementioned myth of the continued survival of so-called civilization.

Have a nice day.

This post has been edited by George Hayduke: Jun 5 2008, 01:25 PM

[dMz]

I disagree GH,

Switzerland will remain quite un-collapsed, IMHO (and I've been there in the recent past). Of course they've got that whole "covert banking"/money laundering, gold stockpile thing...

Helluva pretty country; the people are tall, thin, ["pointy" IMHO] and polite; and the food is excellent. Strangely, every town that I saw had BOTH a Catholic and a [presumably] Protestant church, even if it was a village of maybe 100 people.

[George Hayduke]

Yeah, that's Illuminati territory. But that isn't an autonomous country. They don't feed themselves. Like the rest of the West, they import food and energy supplies. So things will be coming unglued there too.

The projection of the myth of the continued survival of so-called civilization is a psy-op.

[dMz]

Yeah, that's Illuminati territory.

WERD.

But that isn't an autonomous country. They don't feed themselves. Like the rest of the West, they import food and energy supplies. So things will be coming unglued there too.

Not convinced GH- out in the rural areas, they had their own dairies, breweries, wineries, farms, herds, etc. They city-stated like a mutha-fukka, from my observations (but I was only there for a short time). I loved the place, other than the "322" factor...

I just wish they had given me a complimentary Sig 551 as a "parting gift" though. Oh well.

Back on-topic: what can the US learn from Switzerland?

[George Hayduke]

Maybe you don't understand. The system isn't just malfunctioning. It has collapsed. It seems to me it collapsed a long time ago. The illusion of its survival is being forced upon the people living on the hunk of land called the USA. As that illusion breaks down, the chaos that now reigns will intensify. Let me give you an example. Can a country without borders be considered a country?

Also, I guarantee the Swiss aren't autonomous. They're importing tons upon tons of Chinese-made stuff that their people have come to depend on. The developed world feasts on the flesh of the developing world. When the drip injection of supplies and goods from the developed world ceases for whatever reason -- energy prices, revolution in the developing world, the abrupt escalation of the already ongoing WWIII -- the illusion of the survival of civilization will break down.

But perhaps there is a lesson the Yanks can pick up from the Swiss. Be a good Uncle Tom for your Master.

[dMz]

Can a country without borders be considered a country?

I've successfully "held" a fence line, or a canyon, or a valley before, in a different but related context. OJT perhaps?

[snip]

But perhaps there is a lesson the Yanks can pick up from the Swiss. Be a good Uncle Tom for your Master.

We've already BTDT on "Uncle Tom"- just ask Condi... I think there are a few more lessons to be learned if we look deeper.

[painter]

My understanding is that the Swiss have even more underground than we do -- who knows how much?

I concur that so called "CIVILization" is a myth. Not a bad one all in all but a myth nonetheless. I suspect true civilization, like true representative democracy or a true constitutional republic, is an Ideal that hasn't been actualized. What we think of as "civilization" is control from the outside by institutions and those who create and maintain them. Education, for example. But true civilization -- that is, the energies that can transform "man" (so called) into Man (no quotation marks) -- is something that comes from another place. In fact, another direction. One might as well say "another dimension". A "higher" dimension.

I read an interesting book on this subject a couple years ago: "Reality" The Amazon reviews are pretty good but seem to miss, or at least do not mention, the most essential point: Attention is the key to unlocking all the mysteries. I've met the author on a couple social occasions and listened to him give a lecture on the book which he began by saying, although contextually in a different way, exactly what GH has said here. "Civilization" has ended, if, indeed, it has existed at all for the last two millennia.

[George Hayduke]

The Swiss are allowed to own any weapon their gubbermint owns, dMole. Is that the answer you're looking for?

Painter, my definition may be off by a long shot but I think civilization is said to exist when an individual is able to, through meaningful participation in structured society according to its rules, attain self-actuation, meaning the realization of his innate propensities. Thus, your argument that civilization collapsed perhaps centuries ago could be successfully furthered.

Where's my bullhorn? Here it is.

ATTENTION AMERICANS! ATTENTION AMERICANS! There is no such thing as America anymore. There are no borders. There are no laws. There is no gubbermint. There is no culture. There is only a handful of corporations that are run by brutal looters who have sent agents to various roundtable organizations that amount to a quasi-gubbermint. These roundtable groups determine the extent and reach of the looting and they determine the extent and the location of mass slaughter that will enable even more looting. These looters at the head of these corporations sometimes answer to international slavers who better enable the carving up of the world for easier looting. At night, on television, they sit down some well-dressed drone to ramble on about various things in a manner that will give viewers the impression that America still exists. But it doesn't! It's a lawless cultural wasteland where the most selfish and brutal among us determine who eats and who starves. The televised drones prop up pictures of stormtroopers bashing in skulls and say, "see, there is law," and they prop up images of a suburb in middle America and say, "see there is a border that separates this from the rest of that," and they prop up a picture of a murderer in a uniform with a badge on his chest and say, "see, there is valor," and they prop up a picture of a vampire with an electric guitar singing about suicide and say, "see, there is culture," and then they prop up a picture of a looter in a three-piece suit at a desk and say, "see, there is a gubbermint." And we buy it! We buy it because we want it to be so! But soon, these illusions are going to crumble! And you will be forced to decide how to react to the reality of chaos. And I urge you, my brothers and sisters, I urge you to strive to create real civilization. This can be done. This must be done.

This post has been edited by George Hayduke: Jun 5 2008, 02:46 PM

[dMz]

The Swiss are allowed to own any weapon their gubbermint owns, dMole. Is that the answer you're looking for?

Well, that's one of them. How about "STAY THE FUK out of foreign entanglements!" Or "Avoid 'World' wars!" Or "Keep the City of London THE FUK out of your national economy [I believe]!"

But soon, these illusions are going to crumble! And you will be forced to decide how to react to the reality of chaos. And I urge you, my brothers and sisters, I urge you to strive to create real civilization. This can be done. This must be done.

Damn GH- you gotta quit reading my mind- it's a very naughty place BTW. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) I was just about to bust both your & painter's chops for ignoring/dismissing the aboriginal/native civil-"izations." Ya' both had some pretty P.O.'ed dead ancestors after you on that part...

George's edit set some things right though- we should all ponder a bit here on GH's post above IMHO...

[lunk]

"It's probably Gods will,
that civilization will come to a stand still."

Frank Zappa

He also said, that the meek shall inherit nothing.

I can see both of these observations coming into fruition.

imo, lunk

[sb5walker]

From A People's History of the United States
By Howard Zinn


Arawak men and women, naked, tawny, and full of wonder, emerged from their villages onto the island's beaches and swam out to get a closer look at the strange big boat. When Columbus and his sailors came ashore, carrying swords, speaking oddly, the Arawaks ran to greet them, brought them food, water, gifts. He later wrote of this in his log:
"They... brought us parrots and balls of cotton and spears and many other things, which they exchanged for the glass beads and hawks' bells. They willingly traded everything they owned.... They were well-built, with good bodies and handsome features.... They do not bear arms, and do not know them, for I showed them a sword, they took it by the edge and cut themselves out of ignorance. They have no iron. Their spears are made of cane.... They would make fine servants.... With fifty men we could subjugate them all and make them do whatever we want."
These Arawaks of the Bahama Islands were much like Indians on the mainland, who were remarkable (European observers were to say again and again) for their hospitality, their belief in sharing. These traits did not stand out in the Europe of the Renaissance, dominated as it was by the religion of popes, the government of kings, the frenzy for money that marked Western civilization and its first messenger to the Americas, Christopher Columbus.
Columbus wrote: "As soon as I arrived in the Indies, on the first Island which I found, I took some of the natives by force in order that they might learn and might give me information of whatever there is in these parts."
The information that Columbus wanted most was: Where is the gold?
The Indians, Columbus reported, "are so naive and so free with their possessions that no one who has not witnessed them would believe it. When you ask for something they have, they never say no. To the contrary, they offer to share with anyone...." He concluded his report by asking for a little help from their Majesties, and in return he would bring them from his next voyage "as much gold as they need . . . and as many slaves as they ask." He was full of religious talk: "Thus the eternal God, our Lord, gives victory to those who follow His way over apparent impossibilities."

And so came "Western Civilization" to the "Americas". I'm not going to miss it, whatever it was.