Anthony Lawson Aka Lawson911 - Confirmed Disinfo Options

[rob balsamo]

We were getting a few referrals from an article at Veterans Today, so I decided to check it out.

It was to an article written by Anthony Lawson obsessing once again over the No Plane Theories.

Of course he proceeded to attack Pilots For 911 Truth in his original article based on our speed analysis.. .etc, although we clearly have stated numerous times we do not endorse the NPT. or any other theory for that matter.

So, i went in to set the record straight.

During the exchange, it has been confirmed with definitive proof that Anthony Lawson is in fact spreading disinfo. I have also caught him blatantly lying and it's also been confirmed he is a hypocrite.

Our exchange starts here...
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/08/03/91...#comment-261789

Blatant lying and confirmed disinfo exposed here...
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/08/03/91...#comment-264779

and here...
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/08/03/91...#comment-264180

Hypocrite exposed here...
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/08/03/91...#comment-265091

Anthony has been deleting comments, so the rhythm of the conversation may seem a bit choppy. But you'll get the idea if you wish to read through.

All of the above links are to comments made by me. So if you click and see a different comment, it means Anthony is once again having a shred session and deleting comments. Just let me know if that happens and i'll post the full content of the comment.

I've also attached the same webpage if Anthony decides to delete more.


Have fun!

Attached File(s)

 Lawson_Disinfo.htm ( 560.45K ) Number of downloads: 15

 

[rob balsamo]

Here are some of the comments Anthony deleted. (it looks like he deleted some of his own as well, but i dont have them saved)...

I have come across some disinformation types in the past who have played dumb after being caught in a lie, mostly those who blindly support the govt story 100%, but Anthony, you take the cake.

When a banned user logs into the forum, it places a cookie on their hard drive. So when they log in, the cookie is placed, they cannot see ANY of the forum (this would include the Evidence thread you referenced and viewed Anthony) and are given a message “Sorry, you do not have permission to view this..”

The user then has to clear their cache to see ANY of the forum. Once their cache is cleared, If they then visit the forum and don’t log in, the cookie will not be placed on their hard drive and they will see all the public areas of the forum. This includes all of Anthony’s posts and the evidence thread i linked in my first post way above, and all other areas.

So, if Anthony claims he cannot see his own posts, how was he able to reference and see the evidence thread?

It is because he cleared his cache and looked at the forum as a guest.

He then played dumb when referencing the Lear threads, because if he provided source, people reading here who were interested would understand why he was banned.

He is now further playing dumb by crying “Unblock me!” in a reply to a comment where i said, “Anthony, I have just changed your forum access so you no longer have the excuse you cannot provide links because you cant see it.”

In other words Anthony, you can see the whole forum now and no cookie will be placed on your hard drive to block you from seeing it if you log in or not. Clear your cache as you did to see the Evidence thread i linked and you can log in and see the whole forum.

Anthony, either you are incredibly stupid, or you are hired disinfo. If you are the latter, those who hired you should think about firing your ass. You’re not very good.

Anyone ever read that article about the CIA having a larger base down under in Australia than they have at Langley?

Meh, after viewing the face of Lawson, it’s probably just aging as his cause for being so obtuse and incompetent.

Have you viewed our film which was published 2 years ago yet Anthony? Have you yet figured out that what i have stated here is not “Breaking News” and in fact is two years old?

The sad part of this whole thing is that, as i said in my first few posts, Anthony and I agree. The aircraft would have to be modified to do the speeds reported. This means the Va/ra, Vmo, and Vd figures would be different/modified/increased from the figures given in Anthony’s now confirmed disinfo piece. The figures given in his disinfo piece are for a standard 767. It is impossible for a standard 767 to do those speeds. When an aircraft is modified, the V Speeds are changed. Anthony apparently doesnt understand this yet.

No doubt Anthony still wishes to argue. He is confirmed disinfo and a confirmed liar after all.

Anthony,

These are the people that disagree with Field. And if you took the time to watch the film i have provided for you multiple times instead of writing convoluted posts, you would even hear interviews with some of them.

Captain Russ Wittenberg (ret)
30,000+ Total Flight Time
707, 727, 737, 747, 757, 767, 777, DC-8, L-1049, Learjet 24/25, L-188
Ground Instructor, Advanced Ground Instructor, Instrument Instructor, Flight Engineer Turbojet
Aircraft Dispatcher
Pan Am, United
United States Air Force (ret)
Over 100 Combat Missions Flown
Command time in:
- N591UA (Aircraft dispatched as United 93)
- N612UA (Aircraft dispatched as United 175)

Captain Ross Aimer
United Airlines, Retired
B-777/767/757/747/737/727/720/707, DC-10/-9/-8 Type ratings
Command time in:
- N591UA (Aircraft dispatched as United 93)
- N612UA (Aircraft dispatched as United 175)

Commander Ralph “Rotten” Kolstad
23,000 hours
27 years in the airlines
B757/767 for 13 years mostly international Captain with American Airlines.
20 years US Navy flying fighters off aircraft carriers, TopGun twice
civilian pilot flying gliders, light airplanes and warbirds
Command time in:
- N644AA (Aircraft dispatched as American 77)
- N334AA (Aircraft dispatched as American 11)

Jeff Latas
-Over 20 years in the USAF
--USAF Accident investigation Board President
--Flew the F-111, T38, and F-15E
--Combat experience in the F-15E includes Desert Storm and four tours of duty in Northern and Southern Watch
--Weapons Requirements Officer, USAF HQ, Pentagon
--Standard and Evaluations Flight Examiner, Command level
-Currently Captain for JetBlue Airways

Guy S. Razer, LtCol, USAF (Ret)
3,500+ Hours Total Flight Time
F-15E/C, F-111A/D/E/F/EF, F-16, F-18, B-1, Mig-29, SU-22, T-37/38, Various Cvilian Prop
Combat Time: Operation Northern Watch
USAF Fighter Weapons School Instructor
NATO Tactical Leadership Program Instructor/Mission Coordinator
USAF Material Command Weapons Development Test Pilot
Combat Support Coordination Team 2 Airpower Coordinator, South Korea
All Service Combat Identification Evaluation Team Operations Officer
Boeing F-22 Pilot Instructor
MS Aeronautical Studies, Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University

Dwain Deets
MS Physics, MS Eng
Former Director, Aerospace Projects, NASA Dryden Flight Research Center
Served as Director, Research Engineering Division at Dryden
Recipient of the NASA Exceptional Service Award
Presidential Meritorious Rank Award in the Senior Executive Service (1988)
Selected presenter of the Wright Brothers Lectureship in Aeronautics
Associate Fellow - American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA)
Included in "Who's Who in Science and Engineering" 1993 - 2000
Former Chairman of the Aerospace Control and Guidance Systems
- Committee of the Society of Automotive Engineers
Former Member, AIAA Committee on Society and Aerospace Technology
37 year NASA career

Lt. Colonel Shelton F. Lankford
United States Marine Corps (ret)
A-4 Skyhawk, KC-130 (10,000+ Hours)
S-2, T-1, F9F, F-11, OV-10, T-2J
303 Combat Missions

I have personally spoken to Field on the phone about this topic. He said he was told by you that the speeds reported were 500 mph, but when told the real speeds reported, he said it may be possible but he could be wrong. I went on to discuss aerodynamics with him and he hung up on me. He has the barest understanding of aerodynamics. I have a full email exchange regarding this topic with Field. He was also "Forced To retire" after a psych eval at his airline, so he too [like Anthony] would be laughed off the stand if he were to "raise his hand". He has since been removed from our organization and no pilot I know (and i know many, check our core member list.. need to do another update.. 100's more joining) wants anything to do with Field.

Good luck promoting him. I have taken lots of heat for keeping him on our core member list. Glad he is gone.

[onesliceshort]

I'm not surprized he's "bum chums" with John Bursill.

From his personal info:

Anthony Lawson (known professionally as Tony Lawson) is a retired international-prize-winning commercials director, cameraman, ad agency creative director and voice over. He used to be known for shooting humorous commercials, but doesn’t find much to laugh about, with the way the world is going, these days.

At least I had a belly laugh at this idiot "Brian":

Why do the professional character assassins and disinfo artists who have invaded VT (they know who they are) always talk about airplanes flying “at sea level”? The planes hit the Twin Towers at an elevation of about 1,200 feet. Hence their final approaches must have been in excess of that altitude. In the clouds, in actual fact – I once stood on top and watched the clouds drifting by way below me.

Yeah, Brian, how about "lightpole height" at the Pentagon? Dickhead.

[rob balsamo]

I'm not surprized he's "bum chums" with John Bursill.

Yeah, and i see Lawson is further attempting to deceive the readers through blatant lies by saying Lear and I tried to get Bursill fired.

Well first. I had no idea Lear was calling Bursill's employer...

And secondly.. Lear wasnt trying to get him fired. I asked Lear why he called, he told me he was trying to find out more about their simulators. As pointed out in our film "9/11: World Trade Center Attack", Bursill's sim "test" was invalid as the crash logic was either not installed or disabled.

Bursill still has yet to answer any of my questions.

We also set up a debate via email a few months ago where I gave him my phone number and a window of a week to call me, and try back if I'm not available. He called once, left a message.. never called again. I told him anytime he wants to debate the topic to stop by the forum and we can both reply at our convenience., as well as readers being able to study the debate at their leisure, Bursill has yet to show his face here in years. His account is still very active here.

I also find it hilarious how Lawson cries "No Forensic Evidence for UA175!" when i refer to a "standard 767" as not being able to achieve the speeds, but apparently he's good buddies with a guy who claims "UA175 speed probable" and never cries the same foul. Then again, we already know he is a hypocrite.

At least I had a belly laugh at this idiot "Brian":

Yeah, clearly "Brian" did not click the evidence thread link i gave them nor watched our film i sourced numerous times in the comments.

[lunk]

The dreaded no-plane theory...

It keeps popping up,
anyone new to 9/11, hears about the no-planes, at some point in their own investigation.
And it's virtually impossible to prove a negative.

Anyhow, i ran into another newbie to 9/11 that is wondering about the no-plane theory.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lay7jd4Jw4c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTooVif4NMc

Any help would be appreciated.

[rob balsamo]

For those interested in why Lawson was banned, you can search his posts and read through if you like... or you can click here and see how it ends... then read back from there...

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10774086

Lawson was perhaps the most justifiable ban on this site, and that includes bans of porn spambots.. lol

Basically, Lawson, KT and Quest were debating off topic in another thread. It went out to 12 pages or something. Painter locked the thread and told them to continue the debate in the debate section and that he (Painter), will split out the off topic posts and merge them into the debate section on the new, on topic, thread (if created) when he gets a chance. Anthony threw a fit and cried censorship (first accusing dmz/dMole when it was Painter who locked the thread) and further went on to tell us how to run the forum, as if he owned it.

Anthony was warned. He continued personal attacks on staff and myself. he was shown the door.

KT and Anthony are both banned from this Forum, but both have access to read this Forum. Quest is still a valued member of the Forum and we have never had a problem with him. Although we may disagree from time to time.

[painter]

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10774086

Ancient history. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cleanup.gif)

[rob balsamo]

Ancient history. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cleanup.gif)

Lawson doesn't seem to think so. He's still crying to this day he cannot see the forum. Even after i explained to him perhaps 3 times -- he can. And if i have to, i can take screenshots and prove it through the acp.

Why does Lawson just blatantly lie so much when he can be so easily proven false? I've never met someone so obtuse.

Does anyone know if he takes meds? And if so, did he decide to stop taking them?

[painter]

Lawson doesn't seem to think so. He's still crying to this day he cannot see the forum. Even after i explained to him perhaps 3 times -- he can. And if i have to, i can take screenshots and prove it through the acp.

Why does Lawson just blatantly lie so much when he can be so easily proven false? I've never met someone so obtuse.

Does anyone know if he takes meds? And if so, did he decide to stop taking them?

Who cares about Lawson?

Sorry, Rob. As you know, I seldom post any more or even lurk for that matter. Nothing personal against you or anyone here. I just can't deal with all the bullshit any more. Worse, I've come to the conclusion that NO ONE GIVES A SHIT. 3,000 people murdered in broad daylight in what has to be the biggest and most obvious false-flag attacks ever perpetrated and NO ONE CARES. Everyone is in denial. And those who aren't in denial and who do care are fighting one another in endless internet debates about this, that or the other detail. Meanwhile, the perpetrators of this crime against the American people -- and ultimately against humanity itself -- go not only unpunished but essentially unidentified. The perpetrators of 9/11 are still at large.

I see some anonymous internet poster calling himself "Brian" thinks I may be a "sayan" (a word I'd never seen before reading it in Brian's quote, a quick internet search indicating it is Hebrew for 'collaborator'):

The moderator known as Painter, who might be a sayan was furious when I published for a second time my 911 and the real culprits post which included links. The post provided evidence that the Mossad did 911. He blacked out the entire post and told me it was close to spamming. He told me you guys had a meeting to decide what to do about me. I got banned from the forum.

Meanwhile, if anyone were to ever ask ME what I think I'd happily agree that Mossad probably had some hand in 9/11; as did British and US intelligence and counterintelligence--and especially US military intelligence. The later proven by what DID NOT happen at the Pentagon. My OBJECTION to the "Mossad did it" meme is obvious: Unless the Mossad is running the Pentagon, then, no, obviously they didn't do it alone. Whatever role they may have played, who knows, but "did it" on their own to the utterly innocent US and US military intelligence, most assuredly not.

But who cares what I or any of us think. The perpetrators of 9/11 certainly don't and neither do 99.9% of the somnambulant idiots living on this planet. I have lost all respect for the vast majority of humanity. We are NOT the crown of creation. Not even close. We're nothing but mindless hypnotized slugs and the sooner we extinguish ourselves the better. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cleanup.gif)

[rob balsamo]

lol... tell us how you really feel my friend... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

But yes, i understand your discouragement.

Hey, do you happen to have a copy of that letter you wrote on AFPN when Anthony was on his last rampage? It would be useful here. I'm just posting all this here for archival integrity as i'm tired of Anthony crawling out of his hole every once in a while attacking us for work that virtually agrees with him.

When Anthony spins himself into a frenzy again in the future, i can just drop a link and go and not be bothered with the same regurgitated BS.

Thanks.

[painter]

lol... tell us how you really feel my friend... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Don't I always?

But yes, i understand your discouragement.

Hey, do you happen to have a copy of that letter you wrote on AFPN when Anthony was on his last rampage? It would be useful here. I'm just posting all this here for archival integrity as i'm tired of Anthony crawling out of his hole every once in a while attacking us for work that virtually agrees with him.

When Anthony spins himself into a frenzy again in the future, i can just drop a link and go and not be bothered with the same regurgitated BS.

Thanks.

Here you go:

rawpaint
Re: Pilots for 9/11 Truth. COINTELPRO Infiltrated?
Wed Jul 29, 2009 06:10
70.231.233.160

Anthony,

Frankly, I'm surprised at the false characterization of the events at Pilots for 9/11 Truth forum in this posted email. Surprised because I've always been respectful of you and your work. For those who are interested, the thread Anthony is referring to can be found here:
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....showtopic=17660

This thread is in a sub-forum only registered members of the Pilots for Truth forum can see. We keep this sub-forum hidden from guests only because in it we discuss many things that are of interest to some of us but which are highly speculative. Everything from UFOs and Aliens to even more bizarre esoteric interests.

I'm especially surprised because I made it very clear why I locked the original Lear NPT thread a year ago. In fact, you quoted the reason I gave at the time in one of your posts in this more recent thread:

/quote = painter/
This debate between KT, Quest and Lawson is OFF TOPIC of THIS THREAD -- damn it -- has been from the start and this has been pointed out numerous times. I don't have time right now to go through 12 pages and sort this out. STOP POSTING THIS DEBATE IN THIS THREAD! KT, Quest, I know you both know better and Anthony, if you don't it isn't because I, personally, haven't told you. Start a new thread in the Debate Forum (errrg!!) and when I have time I'll move the posts here into it.

For now I'm locking this thread./quote/

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....&p=10774098

Again, that quote from me is pulled from your own post -- so you know why I locked the original thread -- and yet in this email you make no mention of this fact. Hardly what I would call factual and unbiased reporting on your part.

Beyond that, lets make a clear distinction: The Pilots for 9/11 Truth forum is a discussion group that anyone can join and is not to be confused with the Pilots for 9/11 Truth organization whose core membership is limited to aeronautics professionals.

It is true that John Lear is a no-planer. It is also true that John Lear is a core member of Pilots for Truth. What this means is that John Lear is a aeronautics professional who has publicly endorsed the mission statement and work that Pilots for Truth is doing. It does NOT mean that Pilots for Truth either accepts or endorses John Lear's professional or personal views regarding NPT or any other of his views -- many of which are highly unconventional. Moreover, Lear's participation in the public forum has been limited. I believe he's made all of 2 posts.

As for COINTELPRO infiltration of Pilots for 9/11 Truth or any other 9/11 Truth organization, it is clear to me and should be clear to anyone who has followed this from day 1 (as I have) that the entire Truth movement is and has always been infiltrated. The purpose of this infiltration has been and always will be to keep those of us who question these events from agreeing on established facts and building sufficient public momentum to breach the media maintained 'official narrative' in any politically significant way. The primary means for achieving this aim has been to put forward speculations of various sorts that can not be proven conclusively -- and then driving the discord between these competing speculations.

In an attempt to counter these tactics, Pilots for Truth has endeavored to follow research paths that can be drawn from available data sets. This is not always easy and mistakes have been made and corrected along the way. Nevertheless, we've shown, for example, that even if the data alleged to have come from the FDR (flight data recorder) of AA 77 was not falsified (which it was), it still would have been aerodynamically impossible for AA 77 to have descended from recorded altitude, leveled out and impacted the Pentagon as claimed. This research was further confirmed by Citizen Investigation Team via recorded interviews with numerous eye witnesses who saw a plane at the Pentagon at the time of the event -- but on a flight path irreconcilable with the physical damage. All of this information and much more has been made publicly available.

As for myself, I am not a NPTer and never have been. Nor is dMole, so far as I know, although he would have to answer that for himself. Those of us who are not "core members" of Pilots for Truth but are members of the forum disagree about many things. Yes, we allow discussion of the NPT hypothesis (with restrictions) but that is not to be taken as an endorsement of that hypothesis or as some agenda to "keep it alive".

What is keeping this and many other highly speculative subjects regarding 9/11 "alive," Anthony? Why is it so important for you to cast aspersions upon the sound and factually established work Pilots for 9/11 Truth has done and will continue to do that you would knowingly and publicly misrepresent this chain of events by cherry-picking and not sourcing the allegations you present?

I am posting this here publicly. I will email it to you and post it publicly in the thread you began at Pilots. I ask that you forward this to the 9-11-NeXuS yahoo group to which I do not belong.

One final note: I resigned my position of Administrator at the Pilots for 9/11 Truth forum for personal reasons a few months ago. I seldom participate in the forum discussions. However, I could not allow the unsupported allegations presented in this email of yours go unchallenged or without comment.

Sincerely,

Michael Wells
aka "painter"

Source(s):
http://disc.yourwebapps.com/discussion.cgi...;article=125762
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/lofiver...?t17660-50.html (scroll down a bit)

[rob balsamo]

Don't I always?



Here you go:


<snip>

Thanks, i found it just after i made my post.

I'd also like to add.. in reference to this statement made by Painter...

"This thread is in a sub-forum only registered members of the Pilots for Truth forum can see. We keep this sub-forum hidden from guests only because in it we discuss many things that are of interest to some of us but which are highly speculative. Everything from UFOs and Aliens to even more bizarre esoteric interests. "

Painter made that statement back in July 2009, this section could not be read by guests at the time. You had to log in to read. The Alternate Theory section of the forum he is referring to, is the one you are reading now if you are reading this. This section has been open to guests since April 2010. Here is the thread making that announcement.

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=19888

Anthony claims that he could see my Evidence thread in our debate section linked a few days ago at Veterans Today, but couldnt see the Lear Threads in the Alternate Theory section. He is a liar as explained above.

Now here's the real kicker. Painter locked the thread until he had time to split out off topic posts from Lawson, KT and Quest, in a section and thread on the forum that guests could not read at the time (The Alternate Theory Section), and merge them into a section of the forum (the Debate Section), where guests could read it when KT, Lawson, or Quest started a new topic on the issue. Yet instead of Anthony realizing his posts could be read by the world instead of only those logged in as a member, Anthony threw a fit and cried "Censorship!" because Painter locked the thread.

Figure that one out...lol

[rob balsamo]

Took a stroll over to the VT article tonight. I see some who are reading through the exchanges are coming to the understanding themselves that Anthony is wrong.

I posted this as a reply in the comments and will re-post here to preserve the integrity of the discussion as Anthony has claimed he will delete any comment i make on his articles.

Hi confused.

I dont blame you for being confused. Considering I said this in my very first comment way above...


"If Anthony weren’t so caught up in his own ego, he would actually realize we are on the same page when it comes to aircraft speed and possible aircraft modification."

And then later i said this which Anthony deleted.

"The sad part of this whole thing is that, as i said in my first few posts, Anthony and I agree. The aircraft would have to be modified to do the speeds reported. This means the Va/ra, Vmo, and Vd figures would be different/modified/increased from the figures given in Anthony’s now confirmed disinfo piece. The figures given in his disinfo piece are for a standard 767. It is impossible for a standard 767 to do those speeds. When an aircraft is modified, the V Speeds are changed. Anthony apparently doesnt understand this yet."

No doubt this post will be deleted as well. But, I will save this comment and copy it to our Alternate Theories section which Anthony claims he cannot read, but in reality, he can, and so can everyone else, if he chooses to delete this comment.

When an[d] if Anthony chooses to apologize for his obtuse attitude, ego and personal attacks, i MAY reconsider letting him back onto our forum. But for now, why would Anthony want to be part of a forum owned and operate[d] by a "despicable and nasty person"?

Edit: So i'm sitting here watching the morning news and still have the VT article open when i posted the above comment. I decide to refresh the page during a commercial.... and Wow, less than 2 hours and Anthony has already deleted my comment above from his article. One thing Anthony can never claim is that we deleted any of his posts. Matter of fact, we gave him an opportunity to move his posts to a more visible forum at the time, instead he threw a fit and cried "Censorship!". The logic of Anthony Lawson is astounding. Glad we have all this for the archive.

This post has been edited by rob balsamo: Aug 12 2011, 06:08 AM

[rob balsamo]

I also find it hilarious how Lawson cries "No Forensic Evidence for UA175!" when i refer to a "standard 767" as not being able to achieve the speeds, but apparently he's good buddies with a guy who claims "UA175 speed probable" and never cries the same foul. Then again, we already know he is a hypocrite

As a follow up to the above....

Saving this for archive....

“Simulator Proves “Impossible Speed” was “probable” for Flt 11 and Flt 175″ – John Bursill

“…it was made quite clear that it was specifically the speed of the plane that hit the South Tower plane that was under discussion, which I have long maintained was almost certainly not UA175″ – Anthony Lawson

“There is absolutely no forensic evidence that “N612UA, a Boeing 767-200, Standard and fleet assigned was the plane that hit the South Tower” – Anthony Lawson

lol

[Tamborine man]

Rob,

Anthony is obviously playing to the "gallery" first and foremost.

And i don't think that he's actually aware that the "gallery" he is playing to, is mainly

dominated by people who, first of all, derive an "income" from posting on various forums,

and secondly by people who have not yet learned how to think for themselves.


Anthony is an old bitter and querulous man that you'll never get any concessions from.


In the old days, he would be the kind of man (sophist) which not only Socrates, Plato and

friends would avoid like the pest, but also Jesus and his friends would later encounter and

avoid - but then coming in a new disguise as Pharisees and Saducees.


Now i wonder what we could call these same kind of people in today's world. Perhaps the

same - or simply, 'fools'!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)



This post has been edited by Tamborine man: Aug 12 2011, 10:22 AM

[rob balsamo]

well said tamborine man

[mrodway]

For those keeping track of John Bursil, this podcast may be of interest...

http://www.truthnews.com.au/web/radio/stor...dustrial_action

The first part of the show is about the lowering of safely standards at Qantas and the second part was a routine dig at P4T (No new material here however!).

So basically, if you don't mind loosing an hour of your life then tune in, otherwise don't bother :-)

[23investigator]

Rob,

Anthony is obviously playing to the "gallery" first and foremost.

And i don't think that he's actually aware that the "gallery" he is playing to, is mainly

dominated by people who, first of all, derive an "income" from posting on various forums,

and secondly by people who have not yet learned how to think for themselves.


Anthony is an old bitter and querulous man that you'll never get any concessions from.


In the old days, he would be the kind of man (sophist) which not only Socrates, Plato and

friends would avoid like the pest, but also Jesus and his friends would later encounter and

avoid - but then coming in a new disguise as Pharisees and Saducees.


Now i wonder what we could call these same kind of people in today's world. Perhaps the

same - or simply, 'fools'!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Dear Tamborine man.

And you know what Jesus said about them !!!

"shake their --bulldust-- off your boots!!!!!!!!

Robert

[GroundPounder]

lawson strikes me as an individual who misses the forest from the trees. someone destined to join the ranks of people with predictions that miss. just like:

http://didyouknow.org/predictions/


i guess he isn't really predicting, but his grasp of the present and past is so tenuous, that if he were to predict....

having missed a few myself (didn't want to go to work for microsoft in late 70's because i didn't think they were going anywhere), i can see that particular dysfunction in others sometimes.

[7forever]

The dreaded no-plane theory...

It keeps popping up,
anyone new to 9/11, hears about the no-planes, at some point in their own investigation.
And it's virtually impossible to prove a negative.

.

How exactly would the no plane truth go away when 4 live broadcasts aired an orb coming from the west, not north?