Suspect In 2001 Anthrax Attacks Kills Himself. Options

[heliweli]

Sanders; Agree with you fully.

[Omega892R09]

It would seem that the Fed's have a problem with the supposed shrink that slandered Ivins:

Jean Duley redux

[amazed!]

Thanks for the info on Duley.

The anthrax cases seemed like an inside job when they happened, and Ivins' death does nothing to change things IMO.

[Sanders]

Why did any of this even happen? Because Ivins' court case was impending. That was a problem, for what reason we don't really know, so Ivins is suicided. Case closed - and the news lately, if you have been paying attention, is all about Ivans' guilt (devoid of any real evidence). A cold body and a guilty verdict in the court of public opinion is the optimum book-closer.

[amazed!]

And Lord knows that today's public is as gullible as ever there was.

[Sanders]

Exactly.

[painter]

Why did any of this even happen? Because Ivins' court case was impending. That was a problem, for what reason we don't really know, so Ivins is suicided. Case closed - and the news lately, if you have been paying attention, is all about Ivans' guilt (devoid of any real evidence). A cold body and a guilty verdict in the court of public opinion is the optimum book-closer.

Actually, that isn't quite true:

NPR: Media reports indicating Anthrax scientist Ivins was going to be indicted imminently are False

Anthrax Indictment May Have Been Weeks Away

Daschle criticizes anthrax investigation

FBI's evidence in anthrax case said to be mostly circumstantial

Therapist: Anthrax suspect tried to poison people

"Whole Load Of Crap"-Larisa Alexandrovna Has Low Down On "Therapist" To The Anthrax Suspect

[albertchampion]

one of the most disturbing aspects of this death is that i have read that the fbi has ordered NO AUTOPSY.

so, it is only conjecture that he died of any overdose of acetominophen[tylenol] and codeine.

more curious were the interviews that aired on npr's sunday edition with his neighbors, his associate workers. none seem to have ever seen the individual that the feds and their stoolie described.

curiouser still, was the interview with his brother. who admitted that he had not talked to his brother in years, and that clearly this was caused by some extreme sibling hostilities. his other brother declined to comment.

now, i suppose that the corpse will have been either embalmed or cremated.

this Gman story smells so bad that you can smell it through your computer.

and here is another strange twist that was reported late this afternoon: he had some issues with the kappa kappa gamma sorority. that are reported to go back to his college days. if that isn't a reach, i don't know what a stretch is. and i think i do.

[forthetrees]

I did a quick search, but couldn't find anything to support a faint memory I have of reading something 9/11 related which said that if you can control the story for the first three days, you will have a good chance of controlling it all the way through regardless of what information turns up later.

We all develop mental short cuts to keep us from having to re-plow the same furrows over and over in our mind. Mention a topic/story and the "gist" of it pops up to fill the mental screen. No need to look at the details, a quick glance reminds you of the lay of the land in the familiar landscape, and you're mind is freed to tend to other distractions of the moment.

Anyone have any links to anything on this concept?

[Sanders]

...Anyone have any links to anything on this concept?

No, but it sounds about right (barring new information).

Blog posting by Dr. Gerry Higgens, Aug 4th

I have been a close friend of Dr. Bruce Ivins for years. The FBI needed a scapegoat, especially after Stephen Hatfill, whose foot the FBI ran over, won a $5.2 M lawsuit against them.

The new FBI director needed a capture in this case. So, they took all of the Ft. Detrick anthrax researchers and put them under intense interrogation.

Bruce was a mild, meek and sensitive scientist. The FBI showed his clinically depressed daughter, who was institutionalized in a mental hospital, photos of the anthrax victims, and said "your father did this." They offered his son $2.5 M and a sportscar if he would "rat" on his father.

Bruce could not stand stand up to the constant harrasment by the FBI. So we have lost a very talented researcher, so that the FBI can close the case...

Posted by:Dr. Gerry Higgins | August 04, 2008 at 07:02 AM

[painter]

DemocraticUnderground: Anthrax, Bruce Ivins Case Research-Resource Thread

[amazed!]

That they are not doing an autopsy speaks volumes.

[painter]

I think it is interesting how DemocraticUnderground submerged the 9/11 controversy fairly quickly but currently the Ivins issue is getting a lot of attention.

Here are some recent (last 24 hours) threads:

Bruce Ivins Wasn't the Anthrax Culprit (WSJ)

WSJ: "Bruce Ivins Wasn't the Anthrax Culprit"

Questions and lose ends: Bruce Ivins, Jane "theripist" Duley, and the antrax case

Attn. ABC media whores. You are being called out for your anthrax lies in the UK press

The Ivins Anthrax Story is about to get very technical...

I wonder if a similar pattern of incredulity exists in the off-line world? Does anyone have any experience of talking about this with people who mostly get their news from corporate sources?

[Rickysa]

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I wonder if a similar pattern of incredulity exists in the off-line world? Does anyone have any experience of talking about this with people who mostly get their news from corporate sources?

I was helping friends build a chicken coop this weekend, and the morning after the news broke, I was asked (in a laughing manner) "so what do you think about the antrax deal?"....meaning, "I know you think something funny is going on....just like 9/11, just like NWO, just like etc. etc. etc" with their tongue firmly lodged in their cheeks.

But I keep trying (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Rick

This post has been edited by Rickysa: Aug 5 2008, 01:09 PM

[André]

This story is getting some traction in the mainstream media...

Today : Pressure Grows for F.B.I.’s Anthrax Evidence


"They had even intensively questioned his adopted children, Andrew and Amanda, now both 24, with the authorities telling his son that he might be able to collect the $2.5 million reward for solving the case and buy a sports car, and showing his daughter gruesome photographs of victims of the anthrax letters and telling her, “Your father did this,” according to the account Dr. Ivins gave a close friend.

As the investigation wore on, some colleagues thought the F.B.I.’s methods were increasingly coercive, as the agency tried to turn Army scientists against one another and reinterviewed family members.

One former colleague, Dr. W. Russell Byrne, said the agents pressed Dr. Ivins’s daughter repeatedly to acknowledge that her father was involved in the attacks.

“It was not an interview,” Dr. Byrne said. “It was a frank attempt at intimidation.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/05/washington

[painter]

This story is getting some traction in the mainstream media...

Today : Pressure Grows for F.B.I.’s Anthrax Evidence

Yeah, Baltimore Sun has it: Doubts about anthrax story

Survivors, relatives wonder if dead scientist was truly the culprit

By Stephen Kiehl | Sun Reporter
August 5, 2008

Survivors of the 2001 anthrax attacks and relatives of those killed by the deadly powder said yesterday that they want a full accounting from the FBI of its investigation to date, and they are not yet convinced that Bruce Ivins, the government scientist who killed himself last week, was responsible.

Federal authorities are expected to meet this week with the victims' families in Washington to discuss their investigation, after which the FBI could close its nearly seven-year-old anthrax case and publicly release its findings. But with reports emerging that the case against Ivins is largely circumstantial, some wonder if real closure will ever come.

"I don't know whether this is the right person or not," said Maureen Stevens, the widow of Robert Stevens, a photo editor at the Sun, a supermarket tabloid, who was the first killed in the fall 2001 attacks. Stevens said she has gone to Washington twice before for meetings, but nothing came of them. She said she received an e-mail from the FBI informing her of this week's meeting.

"I don't know if we'll hear anything from them that will convince me that they've gotten to the bottom of it," Stevens said.

Video at source: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation/ba...0,7051572.story

[painter]

TIME magazine asks, How Solid is the Anthrax Evidence?

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,...1829495,00.html

OK, here's what is going on: The media and the FBI are in damage control mode. They have to reveal while continuing to conceal. They're masters at this.

Note how they are handling 9/11 questions and contrary evidence by comparison: Silence and ridicule.

What does this tell us?

[André]

TIME magazine asks, How Solid is the Anthrax Evidence?

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,...1829495,00.html

OK, here's what is going on: The media and the FBI are in damage control mode. They have to reveal while continuing to conceal. They're masters at this.

Note how they are handling 9/11 questions and contrary evidence by comparison: Silence and ridicule.

What does this tell us?

They avoid talking about the motives of these attacks, because we know where it would lead them, they need to give us something, so it's going to be about FBI incompetence again.

[Sanders]

What I notice is, they don't even have to do a great job ... just offer up a half-@ss story that is more or less plausible. (Then the media covers it , "the FBI says blah blah blah, sources say blah blah blah", and some percentage of the people eat it up.)

Happily, that percentage is shrinking.

[heliweli]

What I notice is, they don't even have to do a great job ... just offer up a half-@ss story that is more or less plausible. (Then the media covers it , "the FBI says blah blah blah, sources say blah blah blah", and some percentage of the people eat it up.)

Happily, that percentage is shrinking.

Unfortunately, you have to be 'au fait' with a computer to get any real news. I often find that I find something on the internet and it could be two or three days before it is reported on the national news. Here in Ireland this is not making any news apart from the initial report which presumes his (Ivins's guilt). I am quite sure if I went out to dinner tonight and brought the subject up, very few people would know what I was talking about. This really p****s me off!