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Bill Gates: Register Every Birth By Cellphone To Ensure Vaccination, Control Population Growth

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post Nov 19 2010, 09:54 PM
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Talk about megalomania. Bill Gates has TOTALLY lost it.

The religion of corporations.


Bill Gates: Register Every Birth by Cellphone To Ensure Vaccination, Control Population Growth

http://www.prisonplanet.com/bill-gates-reg...ion-growth.html

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Bill Gates: Register Every Birth by Cellphone To Ensure Vaccination, Control Population Growth


PreventDisease
November 19, 2010

On the tails of a recent TED conference where Bill Gates stated that vaccines need to be used to reduce world population figures, he added more to this insanity last week with a keynote address at the mHealth Summit, an annual gathering whose supposedly focuses on improving health care through mobile technology.

Gates told an audience of more than 2,000 that if we could register every worldwide birth on a cell phone, we could ensure that children receive the proper vaccines. He also said the key to controlling population growth is to save the lives of children under 5; and the next big thing in technology is robots.


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QUOTE (Quest @ Nov 18 2010, 12:54 AM) *
Talk about megalomania. Bill Gates has TOTALLY lost it.

The religion of corporations.


Bill Gates: Register Every Birth by Cellphone To Ensure Vaccination, Control Population Growth

http://www.prisonplanet.com/bill-gates-reg...ion-growth.html


Actually, i think he's totally right.

Gates is Gates, and he undoubtedly would like to see every family in the world be the 'proud'
owner of a cellphone, and which undoubtedly will happen in the future. But not within the next
200 years or more, one should think.

That saving the lives of children under 5 amongst the poorer and the poorest people of the world
will lead to a reduction in the world population, is true of course.
Such a gigantic effort would inevitably carry with it the necessity to seriously, at the same time,
improve the living conditions for all the poor, which again will contribute enormously to the aim
of this beneficial reduction in overpopulation.

Denmark, Norway and Sweden has in quite a few years now, experienced zero population growth,
and i don't think any of these countries are too unhappy about this trend. On the contrary, it seems
to me!

After the second world war, it became compulsory for any child in these countries (and without
doubt many other countries i'm unaware of) to be vaccinated against polio and chicken-pox etc..

So parents DO decide to have less children if their children don't die in an early age, and as their
living conditions improve for the better, simultaneously.
No doubt about it.

It would take an argument of herculean proportions to convince me otherwise!!

Cheers

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Know nothing about robots, so leave this to others to argue about.
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gates is a eugenicist..as are (probably) all the elites.

vaccinations are bullshit. think thimerosal and autism. take healthy newborns and inject them w/ shit. have them eat shit (aspartame, msg, hfcs etc etc etc), have them ingest fluoride and clean themselves w/ triclosan and spray their air w/ barium etc and have them bombard themselves w/ microwave radiation as they talk to their friends.

is the picture clear yet??
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QUOTE (GroundPounder @ Nov 18 2010, 11:13 AM) *
gates is a eugenicist..as are (probably) all the elites.

vaccinations are bullshit. think thimerosal and autism. take healthy newborns and inject them w/ shit. have them eat shit (aspartame, msg, hfcs etc etc etc), have them ingest fluoride and clean themselves w/ triclosan and spray their air w/ barium etc and have them bombard themselves w/ microwave radiation as they talk to their friends.

is the picture clear yet??


Gates an eugenicist??

You mean he want to adopt the nazi's idea of pure breeding by controlling
genetic abnormalities, and in this way exterminate entire groups of people?

So you think he's lying when he says he want to save the life of children
then?

If this is what you're saying, i would need more than your 'say-so' to accept
this as facts.

Have you got any proof of this, or is it just hearsay?

Cheers
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QUOTE (Tamborine man @ Nov 18 2010, 01:45 PM) *
Gates an eugenicist??

You mean he want to adopt the nazi's idea of pure breeding by controlling
genetic abnormalities, and in this way exterminate entire groups of people?

So you think he's lying when he says he want to save the life of children
then?

If this is what you're saying, i would need more than your 'say-so' to accept
this as facts.

Have you got any proof of this, or is it just hearsay?

Cheers


well, let's see. maybe he is a true humanitarian? is that what you believe?

eugenics breaks down to the elites and everybody else.

he always tells the truth, just like the rockefellers, bushes, clintons...do i need to go on?

proof...he just bought a huge amount of monsanto stock. ever heard of them????

let me guess, monsanto is doing God's work, is that it?

i think i was wrong about you.

edit: janet reno was doing it for the children in waco..that turned out well.

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QUOTE (Tamborine man @ Nov 20 2010, 02:45 PM) *
Gates an eugenicist??

You mean he want to adopt the nazi's idea of pure breeding by controlling
genetic abnormalities, and in this way exterminate entire groups of people?

So you think he's lying when he says he want to save the life of children
then?

If this is what you're saying, i would need more than your 'say-so' to accept
this as facts.

Have you got any proof of this, or is it just hearsay?

Cheers


Save the children but kill the adults that oppose the NWO, right? See, the children are easily brainwashed into the new NWO culture. The adults, who still understand history, are aware of the genocide of 40-60 million Russian, Latvian, Lithuanian, Ukranian and Polish people during the Bolshevik 'revolution', the genocide of a few million Vietnamese, Cambodians, Laotions during the Vietnam war, the genocide of a few million Iraqis, Palestinians and soon Iranians, the genocide of a few-hundred thousand Argentinians, Brazilians, Columbians, El Salvedorians, the nuking of 350,000 Japanese civilins in WW2, the firebombing of 60,000 German cililians (Dresden) in WW2, and on and on and on. This is what Bill Gates is part of. Are you OK with this? In fact, the only reason you are able to converse in this forum Tamborineman, is because you are fortunate enough to not have parents that lived in the aformentioned locations at the times these events occurred.

This "save the children with cell phones" thing is a nothing more than a contrivance that will become part of a new "standard" that will be used to monitor/control every aspect of our lives. This isn't about helping children nearly as much as establishing CONTROL by the genocidal elite. And if someone or some group were actually concerned with saving people, while simultaneously controlling pollution and winding down the population, I could think of many more ways to do it as opposed to how the current elite handle it. How you cannot see this Tamborineman, is beyond me.

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200 million 'sacrificed' in the 20th century alone for some agenda....

like Quest said:

"This isn't about helping children nearly as much as establishing CONTROL by the genocidal elite."

that is what it is in a nutshell.

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200 million 'sacrificed' in the 20th century alone for some agenda....

What the "agenda" is, is a small group of criminal, Zionist elite, currently headed by the Rothschilds and Rockefellers, that have centuries ago, 1st in Europe then around the world, sided up with the militaries, secret societies and criminal elite for the purpose of support, as well as joining forces with other maladjusted, dissafected groups with an axe to grind (gays, minority religions, races, pedophiles, criminals) who likewise have not assimilated into their host countries' culture, while they, Zionists, preach and practice cultural and racial purity for themselves. This agenda resulted in the creation of the racist, apartheid, genocidal state of Israel. All, this being said, I believe after peeling back the layers, you will find the agenda is class warfare headed by mainly Zionist and Christian/Zionist elite.

Gay Activism Part of Illuminati Conspiracy
http://www.henrymakow.com/gay_france.html

Btw, before anyone goes off all politically-correct on me, which is also an NWO contrivance, I am looking at this phenomenon from an objective, scientific, anthropological standpoint. I am merely calling it as I see it.

One last thing about the genocidal aspect of the elite.

I think you will find that there is and always have been either a few, basic common threads running through the elite. That will be either corporation ownership, banking/investment type businesses and a history of military participation. Because of an ongoing revolving door between bankers, large corporations, secret societies and intelligence agencies/military are for the most part one-in-the-same regarding philosophy, and that philosophy is eliteism. War and genocide are acceptable options when dealing with supposed issues and to many, maybe even "fashionable". But don't take my word for it, ask Henry Kissinger.
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Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac.
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Henry_Kissinger
As quoted in The New York Times (28 October 1973)
Lesser known variant: Power is the great aphrodisiac.


My point is it's not like you have these very diverse opinions and backgrounds among the elite on the human condition on things such as poverty, education, the environment and population control. No. I think long before the vast majority achieve posts in the elite hierarchy, you will find that like George Bernard Shaw, war and genocide are acceptable, even preferable and more humane options are not given even a passing thought. And because we have seen so many wars in our lifetime and are bombarded with propaganda in the media, people have become desensitized and commonly accept indiscriminate, violent genocide as an acceptable solution to supposed, or even contrived environmental issues (see global warming) and overpopulation, when in reality, it's just about keeping control of the unwashed masses by the civilian elite/military complex. Don't think for a minute these people wrestled with their conscience over genocide. They haven't. You have to have a conscience before you can wrestle with it.

Below is a CLASSIC example of the revolving door between the elite and private business. Notice how several of Chertoff's company "officers" were appointed by George Bush jr. to their government positions. Who helped put Hitler in power? Prescott Bush.

Exposed: Michael Chertoff's junk
http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/983.html

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Bill Gates: Satanist In Sheep's Clothes?
Theosophy And The 'New Age'
By Henry Makow PhD
7-9-6

http://www.rense.com/general72/GATES.HTM

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When Warren Buffet gave $31 billion to Bill Gates' Foundation last week, I assumed it would advance the New World Order. But when a reader showed me Gates' connection with the pagan anti-Semitic Lucis (formerly Lucifer) Trust, I sat up and took notice.

Established by Alice Bailey in 1922, the Lucifer Publishing Company changed its name the following year for obvious reasons. Based at 120 Wall Street, the "Lucis Trust" is a vital part of the satanic cult that controls the Western world. It started the New Age Movement to deviously induct society into the Luciferian mindset. Apparently, it is the official publisher of the United Nations and manages its "Meditation Room."http://www.ordination.org/together.htm

Bailey was the leader of the Theosophical Society which was founded in 1875 by Helena Blavatsky. Theosophy is a branch of Freemasonry. According to Constance Cumbey, Theosophy spawned the occult societies that in turn created Adolf Hitler and the Nazi ideology. ("The Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow: The New Age Movement and the Coming Age of Barbarism" 1983)

In 1949, Bailey wrote that the Jewish holocaust was due to the Jews' bad karma: "The evil karma of the Jew today is intended to end his isolation, to bring him to the point of relinquishing material goals, of renouncing a nationality that has a tendency to be somewhat parasitic..." (/Esoteric Healing/, p. 263)

Bailey teaches that Jews are from a different solar system and that Orientals and Blacks are from a different root race. Occidental races must control the world, as they are our most evolved root race. (Cumbey, 115)

This is of concern since a major focus of the Gates foundation is providing billions of dollars worth of vaccines to the poor in Third World countries.

The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation has doubled in size due to the Buffet gift, and is five times larger than the US next largest Ford Foundation. The Gates Foundation is mentioned as a financial member of the Lucis subgroup, "The New Group of World Servers." (See $$ under groups. The pictures of Nelson Mandela, Cindy Sheehan and Michael Moore are also featured on this site <http://www.ngws.org/>.)


Bill Gates and Eugenics
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyNo7r5wrm0

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This is getting ridiculous.

I was commenting on Bill Gates' speech where he said that saving children's lives
would NOT add to overpopulation, but on the contrary help to minimize this instead.

I agree with him on this point.

I do not know whether Gates is an evil man or not. Have never had a danish lunch
with the man, where the beer and aquavit combination would loosen his tongue, and
he all teary-eyed would confess his sins because of a bad conscience brought to the
surface by the mysterious "life-giving" ingredients in the snaps!
(Aquavita = water of life).

What you two are doing right now is very frightening to say the least.
Probably without knowing it, you're conjuring images forth showing white folks, adults
and children, from the american south standing around laughing and smirking with
proud self-righteousness, while looking at the two young innocent black boys they had
just mercilessly lynched and now hanging lifeless from the tree.

Without knowing it, you're doing the same thing.
You find a man guilty simply by association, but without incontrovertible proof.
It's not good enough.

Instead of addressing the point made you go on a tangent, embarking on a long tirade
about the so-called evil 'elite' ( who, of course are anything but 'elite'), as if this is new
information nobody have heard of before.

We all know about what is going on. It's right in our faces for heavens sake. It does not
need being repeated ad nauseum in a forum like this. Here you would merely preach to
the converted. It is the 'sheeps' represented by the MSM you should be after. Not us.

And to top it off let it be humbly said that i have probably infinitely more understanding
of the evils of the world than any of you two. And by the look of things, probably infinitely
more understanding about how to combat this evil as well.

This could after all become a more fascinating subject to discuss, so why not?

Cheers
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QUOTE (Tamborine man @ Nov 19 2010, 12:55 AM) *
And to top it off let it be humbly said that i have probably infinitely more understanding
of the evils of the world than any of you two. And by the look of things, probably infinitely
more understanding about how to combat this evil as well.


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Tamborine man wrote
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I was commenting on Bill Gates' speech where he said that saving children's lives
would NOT add to overpopulation, but on the contrary help to minimize this instead.

I agree with him on this point.


I am not sure of Gates' math on this point because in my world 1 plus 1 equals more than one. My point about Gates is how we are being told to run our lives and no questions are being asked of us, as if we have no opinions on relevant and important matters. Do I get to tell Bill Gates how to run his life?

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I do not know whether Gates is an evil man or not. Have never had a danish lunch
with the man, where the beer and aquavit combination would loosen his tongue, and
he all teary-eyed would confess his sins because of a bad conscience brought to the
surface by the mysterious "life-giving" ingredients in the snaps!


With Bill Gates' wealth and power, he doesn't know 911 was an inside job? Give me a break. Where does he stand on the Palsetinian issue or the Iraq war? Haven't heard a peep from him. Also, Gates' foundation is behind an effort to 'vaccinate' many Africans and according to Gates own words, vaccinations can be used for "sterilization". Where have we heard words like this before? Are those to be "vaccinated" told that they are actually being sterilized? I don't know if any of this makes him "evil" but some of his ideas on "global warming" and sterilization without consent, along with his silence on 911, Iraq and the Palestinians make at least a few people uncomfortable to say the least.

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What you two are doing right now is very frightening to say the least.


I agree. Truth is often frightening.

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Probably without knowing it, you're conjuring images forth showing white folks, adults
and children, from the american south standing around laughing and smirking with
proud self-righteousness, while looking at the two young innocent black boys they had
just mercilessly lynched and now hanging lifeless from the tree.
Without knowing it, you're doing the same thing. You find a man guilty simply by association, but without incontrovertible proof.
It's not good enough.


You mean the deep-south lynchings didn't occur? Blacks were able to vote in the US before the 1960's? In case you haven't noticed Tamborineman, to the elite, we are all black. Skin color makes little or no difference. There are only the haves and have-nots. If you don't believe me, ask Russians, Lithuanians, Ukranians, the Polish, Latvians and Serbians. Currently, whether by intention or default, the elite are going to wipe out the middle class in the USA. And no, I am no bleeding heart liberal, I am merely calling it as I see it.

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Instead of addressing the point made you go on a tangent, embarking on a long tirade
about the so-called evil 'elite' ( who, of course are anything but 'elite'), as if this is new
information nobody have heard of before.


I addresed the point about the cell phone issue. It's about conditioning parents and adults to accept anything the government tells them to do. Here is the current NWO list of commandments. "Take your flu shots, eat Monsanto GMO food, watch our dumbed down TV programs, pay your taxes, fund our wars and 'vote'." Now we can add, "take your full body airport xray scan and register your child's birth via cellphone so as to ensure their vaccinations that contain who-knows-what" to the that list. What idocy.

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We all know about what is going on. It's right in our faces for heavens sake. It does not
need being repeated ad nauseum in a forum like this. Here you would merely preach to
the converted. It is the 'sheeps' represented by the MSM you should be after. Not us.


I agree. Point taken. I just initially thought this as a silly idea on Gates' part, just another reason to add value a cell phone, but what I am curious is wether there is more to this story than the surface. That's why I posted it.

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And to top it off let it be humbly said that i have probably infinitely more understanding
of the evils of the world than any of you two. And by the look of things, probably infinitely
more understanding about how to combat this evil as well.


I am not sure why you would assume this. I agree that the cell phone issue in the greater scheme is small potatoes but, it IS part and parcel of what is going on - corporations running the government and in effect, the populace. Doesn't sound like a good idea to me.

Bottom line, Bill Gates IS involved in Eugenics and he said as much in a recent TED conference and there is video testimony of him saying "vaccines" are important because they can be used for sterilization. Gates also pushes 'global warming' due to CO2.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRPV8-o8trc...feature=related

Lastely, since we are are talking about things that haven't been addressed, Tamborineman, what is your feelings on the genocide of 200 million of your fellow humans at the hands of the elite NWO during the Bolshevik 'revolution', Vietnam, etc, etc? Was all this done for the sake of humanity or was it just plain hatred of the unwashed or hatred of particular peoples and cultures? Or maybe there is another possibility? If so, please explain. I'm all ears.

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is this a tempest in a teapot? or a legit tempest?

history[the record of the past] has long been the invention of the controllers[whomever they may be]. which renders much of the historical record as propaganda.

then there is this branch of historical understanding that i label as historical extrapolation[speculation/prophecy] based on an understanding of an historical record that may well be thoroughly tainted by falsehoods.

and then there is what is known as "revisionist" history. a discipline that attempts to remove the patina of propaganda in an effort to reveal a more accurate record of the past[if that is possible].

all of these claims of validity twist, turn, intermingle to such an extent it is often difficult[impossible] to unwind the helixes of history.

as an example, consider the postWW2 historical assertions that the germans were engaged in an unique, genocidal endeavor. were they? how much of our understanding of that era was shaped by the liberators of the camps[stalin's soviet army]? and the agitprop of the usa, the french, and the brits?

as i have posted long ago, i question the cremation of millions of individuals based on the required throughput of incineration, the lack of sufficient kiln capacity to sustain that level of throughput, and the infrastructure that could not have supplied fueling sufficient to sustain that throughput. those facts concerning mass incineration are ignored, in the main. but the requirements for mass incineration of deceased human beings is not conjectural. and the analysis of the realities of mass cremation are scientific. they can be ignored, of course. but the science of incineration[cremation] cannot be fudged.

if that perspective isn't enough to cause you to reorder your understanding of the last great totalitarian war, let us reconsider those purported gas chambers. none of them capable of sustaining the required throughput of gaseous cyanide poisoning. most alarmingly, none of them retaining much[any] evidence of long-term exposure to cyanide.

so, recognizing those realities, consider how the world after that great totalitarian war has been shaped by the creation of a foundation and superstructure of "false" history. consider what the nuremburg trials used as evidence...assertions by the ussr of what it found upon "liberating" virtually all of the camps. and the torturing of some german officers for confessions[false?].

i carry no brief for the nazis. i am sure that they were just as vile and maniacally homicidal as most presidential regimes in the usa. but look at the result of their holocaust deception[sic]....

the creation in 1948 of a seaside resort country[israel] on the mediterranean. a country that today is mainly inhabited by, controlled by russian jews. what was the religion of bolshevism, by the way?

the crimea on the black sea was ok. the mediterranean was/is known to be better.

was the "holocaust" invented so as to establish an exclusive russian jewish resort? nice beaches in israel. and nicer ones in the lebanon.

the "holocaust" as a real estate gambit? sounds extreme, doesn't it? but perhaps, that is the real history.
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QUOTE (GroundPounder @ Nov 19 2010, 08:18 AM) *
megalomaniac


"And to top it off let it be humbly said that i have probably infinitely more understanding
of the evils of the world than any of you two. And by the look of things, probably infinitely
more understanding about how to combat this evil as well.

This could after all become a more fascinating subject to discuss, so why not?

Cheers"


GroundPounder, you 'forgot' to quote that last little bit, and you're forgetting that no human
can have infinitely more understanding than others. This is an impossibility. A bit more
perhaps, but that's all.

The above was obviously (to many reading it i hope) both a provocation and a challenge to
what you had written in your previous post.
So sad you didn't get that!

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QUOTE (Quest @ Nov 19 2010, 03:12 PM) *
You mean the deep-south lynchings didn't occur?


Please read it again, Quest.

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I addresed the point about the cell phone issue. It's about conditioning parents and adults to accept anything the government tells them to do. Here is the current NWO list of commandments. "Take your flu shots, eat Monsanto GMO food, watch our dumbed down TV programs, pay your taxes, fund our wars and 'vote'." Now we can add, "take your full body airport xray scan and register your child's birth via cellphone so as to ensure their vaccinations that contain who-knows-what" to the that list. What idocy.


You're right. Americans are without doubt the most, far the most, brainwashed and gullible people in the western world.
What they accept of madness from their governments is beyond belief. The good old saying that " you get the government
you deserve", comes to mind!

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Bottom line, Bill Gates IS involved in Eugenics and he said as much in a recent TED conference and there is video testimony of him saying "vaccines" are important because they can be used for sterilization. Gates also pushes 'global warming' due to CO2.


Having a desire to reduce overpopulation has nothing to do with "eugenics".
Me too, would like to see this happen. And so does the transcendental world.
Have elsewhere written about the "Free Will" and its 'divine' origin, so the
importance of this goes without saying.

I disagree completely with gates' "opinion" about global warming, if that's
what you're asking!


And i do not believe that ALL doctors and nurses are evil, or are selling their soul to the highest bidder.

Nor do i believe they ALL are without a conscience.


Let it be said as clear as possible. I'm not an apologist for Gates or anybody else.

Had it been Donald Duck, Donald Trump, Rumsfeld, Hussain, GroundPounder, Quest,
or any other who had presented the same argument, then i would equally have
tried to defend it.

Therefore, it is always 'the argument' that's the important part, and never the person
who introduce it. Far from it, in fact.

Cheers

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QUOTE (Quest @ Nov 19 2010, 03:12 PM) *
Lastely, since we are are talking about things that haven't been addressed, Tamborineman, what is your feelings on the genocide of 200 million of your fellow humans at the hands of the elite NWO during the Bolshevik 'revolution', Vietnam, etc, etc? Was all this done for the sake of humanity or was it just plain hatred of the unwashed or hatred of particular peoples and cultures? Or maybe there is another possibility? If so, please explain. I'm all ears.


Glad you asked that question. This gives me the opportunity to quote the following again,
which has previously been quoted in another thread, and that Groundpounder should be
familiar with, IIRR:


".......
So long as military service is only "peaceful", the many open air exercises and the discipline can in many ways have a beneficial effect on body and spirit, provided that the officers and superiors act humanely and do not abuse their authority in a degrading and improper fashion. But as soon as the game of war turns to deadly earnest and the soldiers are confronted with stark reality, facing living masses that will become fodder for their cannons, sabres, bayonets and other weapons, when they know that they will become the cause of the maiming or death of many people, then most of them must do violence to their conscience in order to act in the manner demanded by the leadership of their country. The best and the noblest in the souls of such human beings is often destroyed, since in order to deaden the rising abhorrence for the deed they are about to commit they let themselves be gripped by the din and the fury of battle and act blindly in order to avoid thinking of the horror that is before them. These human beings should never be compelled to commit such deeds, since very often it is they who in the battle's confusing and degrading turmoil commit the worst and entirely unnecessary atrocities.
But as long as the law governing compulsory military service exists, it is to no avail that single individuals or several in concert refuse to comply with the duty that is demanded by a country's government, since this kind of insubordination only brings harm to the disobedient and in no way upsets the existing order. In such cases there is but one thing to do: to submit to the duties that are imposed by society, even though performance of such duties clashes with one's innermost feelings. By acting in this way the individual stands with a clear conscience, while the responsibility for these compulsory actions will fall upon those who originate and enforce such laws.
These coercive laws should therefore be repealed by the leaders, the legislators and the rulers; when they realize that such coercion cannot be in harmony with God's desires and purposes, the time will have come for the existing laws to be repealed and replaced by new laws.

In order to provide a transition from present conditions to the time when a general and universal peace among all nations is an accomplished fact, all military service should be a voluntary matter, with no compulsion whatsoever of the individual, since responsibility for the many untimely deaths, the many murders and atrocities and the destruction is placed by God upon the leaders, the legislators and the rulers, even though the individual soldier - the aggressor as well as the defender - must give account of all the unnecessary cruelties of which he is personally guilty. On the other hand, if military service is placed on a voluntary basis until further notice, then the chief responsibility will be evenly divided among all the participants in war, the leaders as well as the soldiers in the field.

All warfare is against God's Will and is in conflict with the laws of the Light, and it benefits neither one nor the other warring nation to call upon God's assistance as supreme war lord; any supplication to God to bless the armaments or to bless the armies, so that under His leadership they may gain victory over their opponents, is therefore a blasphemous prayer.
Any conception of God as war lord or war leader must be rooted out, since all bloodshed, all destruction, all subversion is completely irreconcilable with the nature of God. Again and again God has sought to lead human beings to a complete understanding of love for their neighbours and respect for all that belongs to them. Time and again ever since the dawn of history God's emissaries have proclaimed to human beings: "You shall not kill, nor take by force, nor rob, nor plunder!" But so far the appeal has been in vain, human beings have not yet been able to free themselves from the primal urge of brutish self-assertion through violence to the detriment of their fellow human beings. So long as the individual members of the nations of the world do not unite and strive toward mutual peace and forbearance, so long as human beings cannot with complete faith in God's Fatherliness and Justice place everything in His hand and with trust submit to His leadership, so long as the will of the many is not one with His Will, so long can bloodshed, violence and war not cease, and so long can the hope for peace not be victorious on Earth.
Human beings must overcome the influence of Darkness, overcome hatred, curses, envy and lust for power through belief in God's existence and by trusting His guidance, rather than through prayers for help to crush their enemies and opponents by acts of violence for God never hears and never answers such prayers.
If it could be conceived that an entire people were united in complete trust in God and in the absolute certitude that no evil arising from ambitious, envious or rapacious neighbours could befall them, then even the most evil of designs would fall to the ground, since it would be lost on so unanimous and complete a faith. But where can such a people be found? Humanity is still in its infancy, and centuries or millennia may pass before full understanding of such an unshakeable relationship of trust between God and human beings can be attained.

Thus, all warfare is rooted in Darkness and is brought about by the mutual intolerance of the various nations, which in turn can be attributed to the lust for power of the leaders and the rulers. If the human will for evil thus calls forth fighting and destruction and a war begins, the nation that initiates the hostilities must bear the responsibility for the war of aggression as well as for the war of defence forced upon the other nation and its allies, regardless of the forms that the war may take. And so long as the attacked nation limits itself to the defence of its country, of its rights, the aggressor will continue to be in the wrong. But the moment the defender extends the hostilities to the territory of the aggressor in order to attack rather than to defend, both sides must share the responsibility for whatever takes place from the moment the border into enemy territory is crossed. (The same laws apply if the battles are fought at sea or in the air).
The victory or defeat of the warring parties can in no way be attributed to God. Never does He take part in the hostilities, neither on the side of the aggressor nor on the side of the defender. Only prayers for help to restore peace will be heard by God, but His many and persistent attempts to speak to the leaders as their "conscience" are in most cases rejected.
The victorious party defeats its adversary by virtue of numerical or strategic superiority or the like, or because of the people's common hatred of the enemy and the people's common will to win; but victory is never gained with the help of God.
Any person - civilian or military - who praises, defends and glorifies war in writing or in speech, instead of evoking aversion to this deed of Darkness and enlightening his fellow human beings on the degradation and brutishness of war, is himself placing a heavy burden of responsibility on his shoulders and must, having ended his earthly life, render a detailed account to God of the motivations for his actions.
Even though human beings wage war among themselves, and even though God does not hear their prayers for victory, He never loses sight of them, but seeks either directly or through the disincarnated Youngest to awaken remorse among the leaders, just as He tries in many ways to instil in them an awareness of the injustice and the abuse of power of which they are guilty, so as to bring about a pact of peace before one of the parties succumbs to the superior force; but in the vast majority of cases also these attempts are rejected by human beings.
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Terror cannot be defeated by terror.

Neither can willful ignorance defeat ignorance.

The vast majority of people who should know better, are quite contented
to live a full life dominated with doubt and uncertainty, with no desire to
search for what is Truth.
Opinions adopted from the opinions of others, are the flavour of the day!
Tragic.

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post Nov 22 2010, 02:17 AM
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QUOTE (albertchampion @ Nov 19 2010, 11:23 PM) *
is this a tempest in a teapot? or a legit tempest?

history[the record of the past] has long been the invention of the controllers[whomever they may be]. which renders much of the historical record as propaganda.

then there is this branch of historical understanding that i label as historical extrapolation[speculation/prophecy] based on an understanding of an historical record that may well be thoroughly tainted by falsehoods.

and then there is what is known as "revisionist" history. a discipline that attempts to remove the patina of propaganda in an effort to reveal a more accurate record of the past[if that is possible].

all of these claims of validity twist, turn, intermingle to such an extent it is often difficult[impossible] to unwind the helixes of history.

as an example, consider the postWW2 historical assertions that the germans were engaged in an unique, genocidal endeavor. were they? how much of our understanding of that era was shaped by the liberators of the camps[stalin's soviet army]? and the agitprop of the usa, the french, and the brits?

as i have posted long ago, i question the cremation of millions of individuals based on the required throughput of incineration, the lack of sufficient kiln capacity to sustain that level of throughput, and the infrastructure that could not have supplied fueling sufficient to sustain that throughput. those facts concerning mass incineration are ignored, in the main. but the requirements for mass incineration of deceased human beings is not conjectural. and the analysis of the realities of mass cremation are scientific. they can be ignored, of course. but the science of incineration[cremation] cannot be fudged.

if that perspective isn't enough to cause you to reorder your understanding of the last great totalitarian war, let us reconsider those purported gas chambers. none of them capable of sustaining the required throughput of gaseous cyanide poisoning. most alarmingly, none of them retaining much[any] evidence of long-term exposure to cyanide.

so, recognizing those realities, consider how the world after that great totalitarian war has been shaped by the creation of a foundation and superstructure of "false" history. consider what the nuremburg trials used as evidence...assertions by the ussr of what it found upon "liberating" virtually all of the camps. and the torturing of some german officers for confessions[false?].

i carry no brief for the nazis. i am sure that they were just as vile and maniacally homicidal as most presidential regimes in the usa. but look at the result of their holocaust deception[sic]....

the creation in 1948 of a seaside resort country[israel] on the mediterranean. a country that today is mainly inhabited by, controlled by russian jews. what was the religion of bolshevism, by the way?

the crimea on the black sea was ok. the mediterranean was/is known to be better.

was the "holocaust" invented so as to establish an exclusive russian jewish resort? nice beaches in israel. and nicer ones in the lebanon.

the "holocaust" as a real estate gambit? sounds extreme, doesn't it? but perhaps, that is the real history.


I vote for "A legit tempest"!

And i wholeheartedly agree with you that "history" is based in great parts on lies and deceit.
JFK and 9/11 are but a small portion on a very long line.

That a great many people died in the concentration camps, i don't think anybody will deny.
And that this figure has been greatly inflated for nefarious reasons, will not surprise me at
all.

People in power and with lust for power will shun the Truth more than anything else they
come across. Secrecy and duplicity is the name of the game. Nothing else matters to them.

Why people blindly vote that sort into high office without first scrutinizing their credentials,
i.e., by checking out what kind of "fruits" they have previously planted, is still the greatest
mystery that needs unraveling and dealt with, imhv.

Cheers

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post Nov 22 2010, 01:44 PM
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QUOTE (Tamborine man @ Nov 22 2010, 03:18 AM) *
Having a desire to reduce overpopulation has nothing to do with "eugenics".
Me too, would like to see this happen. And so does the transcendental world.
Have elsewhere written about the "Free Will" and its 'divine' origin, so the
importance of this goes without saying.


Concern of overpopulation becomes eugenics when someone fails to disclose that the "vaccine" they are about to administer will caused the recpient to become sterile. Gates specifically stated in the TED conference video that vaccines would be used to help control overpopulation. Did you miss that? These people are speaking live and often "mispeak" or Freudian experience slips of the tongue when speaking live and I think that's exactly what Gates did then. Shades of Larry Silverstein's "Pull it." An even better example is mad scientist David Keith speaking at a geoengineering conference when speaking to the possible risks of spraying millions of tonnes of aluminum and barium in the atmosphere to supposedly quell global warming, inn a throw-away comment, Keith states, "and by the way, it's not like it's a moral hazrd, it's like free-riding on our grandkids". See the below video at 8:20.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Upho7_Xy2s...feature=related

Gates also said he "loves" vaccines which I fing more than a little odd when the conversation at the TED conference was about "overpopulation".

Question, since when is a vaccine a "cure" for fertility?

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QUOTE (Quest @ Nov 20 2010, 03:44 PM) *
Concern of overpopulation becomes eugenics when someone fails to disclose that the "vaccine" they are about to administer will caused the recpient to become sterile. Gates specifically stated in the TED conference video that vaccines would be used to help control overpopulation. Did you miss that? These people are speaking live and often "mispeak" or Freudian experience slips of the tongue when speaking live and I think that's exactly what Gates did then. Shades of Larry Silverstein's "Pull it." An even better example is mad scientist David Keith speaking at a geoengineering conference when speaking to the possible risks of spraying millions of tonnes of aluminum and barium in the atmosphere to supposedly quell global warming, inn a throw-away comment, Keith states, "and by the way, it's not like it's a moral hazrd, it's like free-riding on our grandkids". See the below video at 8:20.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Upho7_Xy2s...feature=related

Gates also said he "loves" vaccines which I fing more than a little odd when the conversation at the TED conference was about "overpopulation".

Question, since when is a vaccine a "cure" for fertility?



It is my understanding that vaccines are used every day to combat deadly diseases
like malaria, cholera, small-pox and the like all over the world. Haiti right now is a
very good example of this.
I don't know about USA, but europeans and scandinavians are required or advised
to be vaccinated before they fly to exotic places on holidays.

It sounds as if you're not talking about Gates at all.

It seems to me that it's the doctors and nurses around the world you're accusing of
evil intent.

After all it is these people who are going to administer vaccines for nefarious
purposes, is it not!

Is it your contention f. ex., that "Doctors without borders" consist of a bunch of people
completely without a conscience, without a heart, without a care, who cannot think for
themselves, and therefore are easily manipulated to perform horrendous vaccinations
on unsuspecting patients without their consent and which would be against their will?

Would like to hear your views on this!

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