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Debris Found In Lower Manhattan Appears To Be From One Of The Planes That Crashed Into The Wtc On Sept. 11

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post Apr 26 2013, 05:09 PM
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Where is Aidan Monaghan when we need him? Anyone care to try and match up this plane part serial number with what we already know?
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post Apr 26 2013, 05:27 PM
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22319253

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/26/9...hp_ref=new-york

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post Apr 26 2013, 08:13 PM
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I am not clear what this section from the BBC article means:

"Mr Kelly told reporters after inspecting it that a length of rope was looped around the piece of steel and that no marks were visible on the walls overhead, suggesting it could have been lowered from the rooftop."
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post Apr 27 2013, 06:22 AM
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QUOTE (Scooby @ Apr 26 2013, 07:13 PM) *
I am not clear what this section from the BBC article means:

"Mr Kelly told reporters after inspecting it that a length of rope was looped around the piece of steel and that no marks were visible on the walls overhead, suggesting it could have been lowered from the rooftop."

From the NY Daily News -

Cops were investigating how the gear got there, including the possibility it was lowered into place because a piece of rope was found intertwined with the metal.

NY Daily News

You don't think someone would have planted this item right next to the Mosque? rolleyes.gif
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post Apr 27 2013, 07:18 AM
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QUOTE (DoYouEverWonder @ Apr 27 2013, 05:22 AM) *
From the NY Daily News -

Cops were investigating how the gear got there, including the possibility it was lowered into place because a piece of rope was found intertwined with the metal.

NY Daily News

You don't think someone would have planted this item right next to the Mosque? rolleyes.gif



So let's see, 12 years later we're supposed to believe they're just finding parts of the planes? Planes that, mind you, fully penetrated buildings with their landing gear retracted? Of course, 12 years is certainly long enough to mfg just about any plane part one should want to forge. Meaning that any part found today would lack chain of custody. ...And that's even before we consider that a plane part that large, entering an 18 inch wide space with so much force is going to have to leave marks of it's passage, and on whatever brought it to rest.

But then... Hey, what do we know? After all, didn't a flimsy paper or plastic id, escape the inferno that melted several tons of aluminum to flutter to the ground and land at the feet of an FBI agent who just happened to be looking for a piece of id that might escape the 110 story inferno? Along with all the other paper debris flying around. Only the agents keen eye and awareness, prevented him from mistaking it as a trading slip or a clearinghouse document, or tons of other paper debris wafting around. What luck eh? laughing1.gif
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post Apr 27 2013, 07:37 AM
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QUOTE (DoYouEverWonder @ Apr 27 2013, 11:22 AM) *
From the NY Daily News -

Cops were investigating how the gear got there, including the possibility it was lowered into place because a piece of rope was found intertwined with the metal.

NY Daily News

You don't think someone would have planted this item right next to the Mosque? rolleyes.gif


I can imagine the GLs burrowing and panicking to explain the rope away.

Between what buildings was it "found" (for somebody who isn't familiar with the area)?
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post Apr 27 2013, 11:06 AM
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QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Apr 27 2013, 11:37 AM) *
Between what buildings was it "found" (for somebody who isn't familiar with the area)?


I'm not familiar with the area either, but it's next to a planned mosque apparently

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'The New York Police Department has secured the area behind 51 Park Place and 50 Murray Street as a crime scene.
The location is at the site where a mosque and community centre has been proposed, three streets away from "Ground Zero" - the site of the twin towers.

BBC

What a coincidence, I'm sure
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post Apr 27 2013, 11:34 AM
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QUOTE (Obwon @ Apr 27 2013, 06:18 AM) *
So let's see, 12 years later we're supposed to believe they're just finding parts of the planes? Planes that, mind you, fully penetrated buildings with their landing gear retracted? Of course, 12 years is certainly long enough to mfg just about any plane part one should want to forge. Meaning that any part found today would lack chain of custody.


Perhaps you are right that 12 years is long enough to mfg any plane part one should want to forge.

I personally tend to believe that the metal "thing" was planted BEFORE 9/11 and was intended back then to serve as "evidence," but when things went SNAFU and rope was inadvertently left behind to indicate that the metal "thing" was planted by being lowered, the "thing" was abandoned.

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post Apr 27 2013, 12:46 PM
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Its way early in the evidence of this. But from the facts available this smacks of something was quickly hidden on the morning of 9/11.

-A large piece of plane traveling a hundred miles an hour would leave a notable mark in whatever it hit. Thus if it miraculously crashed into this crawl space where is the indentation where it impacted? There isn’t one that we can see.

-The crawl space is 18 inches and the wreckage is 5 feet long by 17 inches wide. That is a very tight fit.

-While the plane part traveled from the tower to the crawlspace did it get a piece of rope tied to it? Does that make sense?

Not much can be gained from planting this. Confirmation that it could have been on one of the planes is not conclusive because it couldn't have been on other models that also use this part. It likely could have been belonged to several plane models (we'l see). But confirmation that it didn't come off of one of the planes is damning. The official story has little to gain but a lot to lose from this evidence.

Considering the location and likely trajectory this almost certainly has to show as United 175’s wreckage. Unless it bounces off the North tower and flew backwards.

This is a very early guess based on limited evidence but it really feels like someone tried to disappear this piece of wreckage quickly – it probably landed on the roof originally. It’s going to be very interesting to see how this plays out.

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post Apr 27 2013, 02:14 PM
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QUOTE (Scooby @ Apr 27 2013, 11:46 AM) *
-A large piece of plane traveling a hundred miles an hour would leave a notable mark in whatever it hit. Thus if it miraculously crashed into this crawl space where is the indentation where it impacted? There isn’t one that we can see.

-The crawl space is 18 inches and the wreckage is 5 feet long by 17 inches wide. That is a very tight fit.


New York City Police Commissioner Ray Kelly talks along these lines which amazes me since I always pegged him as being a staunch supporter of all things government... in other words, a cheerleader. He is also a bosom buddy of Mayor Michael Bloomberg.

See video at elapsed time of 2:55 to 3:40 at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUMDXuzbjeY

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post Apr 27 2013, 03:29 PM
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“National Transportation Safety Board investigators will determine whether the part is from either United Airlines Flight 175 or American Airlines Flight 11, which hit the twin towers, he said.

The part "includes a clearly visible Boeing identification number," police said in a written statement released earlier in the day.

American Airlines and United Airlines declined to comment.

"Boeing has been asked by the NTSB to examine the images to see what can be determined," company spokesman John Dern said.”

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/04/26/us/new-y...part/index.html

It will be interesting to have the Boeing response to this question.



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post Apr 27 2013, 04:00 PM
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Always looking for angles…

Since zero commercial airliners hit anything…

12 years is enough time to strip one…especially flight 11 that was for sale.

Now the GLs would have the proof they need…
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post Apr 27 2013, 04:27 PM
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This proves they never did a complete inventory of wreckage. If they had they woulda known it was missing. Landing gear parts are very durable. They always find them.

They did a debris trajectory study to try and locate where the Black Boxes might land. But they only did this for Flight 175.

They initially reported getting a pinging signal for a black box..

In the letter of September 18th (2001) director Edward F. Jacoby jr wrote to governor Pataki:
"Investigators have identified the signal from one of the black boxes in the WTC debris"

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=22156

NTSB Debris Trajectory Study
http://www.911myths.com/images/b/b7/Debris...tudy--UA175.pdf

OOPS! I guess parts can fly further than Park Place.
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post Apr 28 2013, 07:57 AM
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« The number - BOEING CSTG 65B84045 - is a casting number so it isn't specific to one particular plane, Alan Lery of Turbo Resources International, Inc., an Arizona aircraft parts reseller, told the Post. 'Sometimes the airlines track every single part number that comes with the plane, but not likely this, he said. Chuck Horning of Embry-Riddle Aviation University in Florida, also told the Post that the number cannot be traced.'I would think that it will be difficult to determine specifically which aircraft the assembly came from,' Horning said. 'Being that both aircraft [in the World Trade Center attacks] were B767-200, they both likely had components with the same casting number,' he added.”

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-23...l#ixzz2Rl3jUWgA



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post Apr 28 2013, 08:15 AM
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QUOTE (Scooby @ Apr 27 2013, 11:46 AM) *
Its way early in the evidence of this. But from the facts available this smacks of something was quickly hidden on the morning of 9/11.

-A large piece of plane traveling a hundred miles an hour would leave a notable mark in whatever it hit. Thus if it miraculously crashed into this crawl space where is the indentation where it impacted? There isn’t one that we can see.

-The crawl space is 18 inches and the wreckage is 5 feet long by 17 inches wide. That is a very tight fit.

-While the plane part traveled from the tower to the crawlspace did it get a piece of rope tied to it? Does that make sense?
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The fact is that other plane parts were found, more contemporaneously in the area, those parts were disavowed as having come from either plane, after investigation by private citizens proved the fact.

We already know from scientific analysis that it is not possible for these planes to completely enter the buildings whole and without large parts breaking off. This is because the force that the aircraft would apply to the building, is the very same force that the aircraft would have to be capable of withstanding without breaking apart.

Not to mention that both planes struck the towers at an angle, and so, they should have begun to rotate into the buildings upon contact. So it appears that there are some serious flaws in the official story that this "find" seeks to repair. whistle.gif
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post Apr 28 2013, 01:19 PM
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QUOTE (tit2 @ Apr 28 2013, 07:57 AM) *
« The number - BOEING CSTG 65B84045 - is a casting number so it isn't specific to one particular plane, Alan Lery of Turbo Resources International, Inc., an Arizona aircraft parts reseller, told the Post. 'Sometimes the airlines track every single part number that comes with the plane, but not likely this, he said. Chuck Horning of Embry-Riddle Aviation University in Florida, also told the Post that the number cannot be traced.'I would think that it will be difficult to determine specifically which aircraft the assembly came from,' Horning said. 'Being that both aircraft [in the World Trade Center attacks] were B767-200, they both likely had components with the same casting number,' he added.”

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-23...l#ixzz2Rl3jUWgA

This was similar to my point that it could be a universal part that was used for several models which wouldn’t definitively prove it was the planes we are told hit the towers. But is there a way to show what size plane this part was cast for? Is it a 737, 747, 767 part? That should be determinable – no?

Also
American was a 767-223ER
United was a 767-222

They were not exactly the same model.

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I'm surprised nobody mentioned the Burlington Coat Factory role in the events of the day. I'll bet $ that somewhere in all the records kept here at PFT there is a record regarding that incident.

Another piece of landing gear, from the second strike, impacted the Burlington property. There were pictures of it, probably in NYT.

The rope is what's puzzling. Maybe when it first struck "the ground" after leaving WTC it encountered rope somehow. Maybe as it penetrated and passed through the building, it encountered a rope?
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“The Post reported that a piece of rope was also found on a nearby roof. According to the Post, the landing gear is about 17-inches wide. In noting its positioning in the 18-inch gap between the buildings, Browne said “the odds of it entering that space at exactly that angle that would permit it to squeeze in there, it had to come in at almost precisely the right angle.”

http://www.metro.us/newyork/news/local/201...ar-ground-zero/
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NIST and the 9/11 Commission are currently revamping their reports to show the WTC was constructed out of rope. tongue.gif
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OK, even a few months prior to 12 years after the terror CRIMES of 9/11, committed by the top leadership for their own purposes, it still remains quite an unpopular position to assert that instead of the four crashes repeatedly lied about in the official story, the real truth is that zero crashes occurred (or at the very minimum, three for sure did not occur and 903AM was a military 737 decoy prepared to resemble the very much larger 767, a position which itself is difficult to accept).

With all of the expert research done by Rob Balsamo, WoodyBox, CIT, and many others, much of which is published and easily available on this very website, there should really not be any skeptical and critically thinking person who any longer beLIEves the official story at all, especially the many parts that have been 100% proven false and demolished as the lies they are from already long ago (Airborne after supposed crashes).

Information available on this very website proves that at 903AM the supposed Flight 175 was located above western Pennsylvania, not crashed in NYC (ACARS 175). For those who say there were at least two planes called Flight 175, that position is difficult to accept, as even in that scenario the second 175 did not crash either and was in fact the plane that took all of the supposed "passengers" to Cleveland-Hopkins, landing at 1010AM or 1045AM never to be heard from again.

Of course the easiest three to prove did not crash are Flights 11, 77 (both not in BTS database, never existed or flew at all, yet even if they did, for SURE did not crash as described in the lies of the official story), and Flight 93 (hole in the ground at Shanksville existed at least since 1994 according to the US government itself, shown on a map of that date of the US Geological Survey USGS, for more info please see Real 911 Truth).

Even for the "twin/duplicated planes" position that says there were two or at least two of each supposed aircraft, it is 100% proven fact that NONE of them crashed into the WTC at 846AM, the Pentagon at all, and Shanksville at all.

If this sounds like a rant it is only because whoever started this thread made the mistake of including in the title the words "one of the planes that crashed into the WTC..." which is false, and by this point in time extremely inappropriate to be said by anyone, especially those who are supposed to be at the forefront of countering the lies of the official story.

As this very website makes clear, ACARS data have proven that at in fact exactly a few seconds after the BOMB EXPLOSIONS at 903AM in the WTC as part of the controlled demolition, a message through ACARS was sent to Flight 175 asking "How's the Ride?"

How ironic and sad.

Some of the most evil people alive on earth today mercilessly and treasonously killed thousands of innocent citizens for their own purposes and blamed others for it, and then had the audacity to later lie about it and say they saw the first crash at 846AM on TV, a lie which is very easy to prove false as the WTC was not being filmed at 846AM on broadcast TV.

Then 17 minutes later the fake, staged videos were dutifully broadcast by the shill media, all channels of course repeatedly showing the same fake footage, while "How's the Ride" continued flying westward over Pennsylvania.

The idiot that thought that the best way to prevent a mosque was to claim a new "find" of "wreckage" from the plane that has already been proven not to have crashed, has very foolishly opened a VERY LARGE can of worms.

It is simply so unfortunate that so few people even care about the real truth to even bother to take the literally 20 or 30 minutes that even in that period of time can make a huge dent in demolishing the sheer number of lies and internal contradictions and physical impossibilities to realize that the official story of 9/11 cannot possibly be true.

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