Aircraft Part At C Ring. Options

[eric]

Here is something strange.

A few months ago I saw a picture of firefighters standing at the exit hole at C ring and there was a(n) aircraft part laying almost in the center. I have been trying to find the picture since I found a video of the Lockheed AGM-158 air to ground missile. I can't find it anywhere online. I'm thinking it was one of those flukes that ends up online that they realize will give them away. In my mind, the nose cone is identical, and it was designed to penetrate hardened targets (bunker buster). I would like to know, How deep does the rabbit hole go? I'm scared and angry at the same time, more angry than scared though.

For anyone who may be interested, check out this YouTube video, It is amazing how much it resembles the part that was found at the exit hole.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgJxhgFtDQo...player_embedded

Thanks to anyone who will listen.

As for me, What has been seen, cannot be unseen!!

I hope this isn't something old for old news. Thank you for all input,

Eric

[eric]

The USA has always been so proud of their toys that go boom. I just find it odd that things seem to match up with this piece of equipment. If I'm all wet please tell me, but also provide the link to the nose cone that was found in the exit hole at "C" ring with the firefighters standing around it. I will never forget the picture I saw, and it wasn't a part off of a Boeing.

[DoYouEverWonder]

There are a couple of different pictures of the exit hole.

Is this the one you're referring to?

(IMG:http://911review.com/errors/pentagon/imgs/exit_wound.jpg)

[eric]

No, it was similar though. It was a picture of a Firefighter and they were looking at what they said was the nose cone from the aircraft on the ground at "C" ring. I have seen it one time and never been able to find it again. The description of the picture was the hold was on the left side of the picture and the a/c part was laying in the middle between the "C" and "B" ring in the middle of the picture. It looked like the picture was taken looking down the length of the light well in between the two rings.

This post has been edited by eric: Oct 6 2010, 11:14 PM

[eric]

I'm sorry for sending people on a wild goose chase.

Over the last few weeks I have been looking for the picture I saw a few years ago. I remember there was a firefighter or fire chief standing next to the nose cone and pointing to it while standing between the "B" and "C" rings at the exit hole. The caption was, "Nose cone from the aircraft." Of course, I called BS!! I know what their made of and it wouldn't survive an impact into a hardened target. I wish I had of saved the picture then, my mistake.

I have searched almost every permutation of nose cone debris, "C" ring debris, Pentagon wreckage, etc. I think the picture has been removed because it would show that it wasn't a 757/767 nose cone. Just so you know, I remember the nose cone to look like the video I posted of the AGM-158 JASSM cruise missile. If it is a bunker buster missile, it should have a DU nose cone that would possibly survive the crash into the Pentagon.

I feel like I'm grasping at straws but I still believe that the truth needs to come out. I hope and pray someone has found the picture and saved it.

Thanks so much for not letting this die, and making me feel crazy!

What has been seen, cannot be unseen!

I will NEVER forget!

This post has been edited by eric: Oct 7 2010, 01:08 AM

[amazed!]

What has been seen MIGHT have been staged....

[diesel737]

Eric,
I have no idea of what the nose cones of these type of missiles are made of, but obviously they do their job(like a shaped charge). I can speak on what materials Boeing makes the nose cones on 737's, and they cannot survive a hit from a goose. That being said, I doubt the 757-767 family of aircraft is any different. If you saw a nose cone, and I wish I could find that picture, I would bet that there is nothing on a commercial airplane that could retain that shape all the way to the C-ring.

Also, I watched the link you provided on that AGM. Wow, swept wings, tail fin, then add an American Airlines type paint scheme and you could make someone believe they are looking at a "commuter size" jet. I believe there is eye witness testimony saying someone saw a "small commuter type jet". Not to mention the aerobatic maneuverability displayed in the video. Most of the footage showed a drive and dive type profile, but that is the profile to best accomplish the given mission. I would also bet that the thing could be flown(controlled) to do just about any profile, including a 270 degree high dive turn at a speed which would have the wings peeling off an airliner.

Just my two cents.

[SanderO]

I was listening to the radio driving to work on 9/11 and I hears a caller from NJ to WABC in NY IRRC who said she saw a small commuter plane hit the first tower. Only later did I learn that UAL175 supposedly hit the south tower and the nightmare was on.

[amazed!]

Yes, I too remember several witnesses reporting the "commuter" type aircraft overhead. Some even reported the sound, 'whooshing'.

I have long thought that a cruise missle of some sort might very well have been involved.

[paranoia]

hey eric, here are some pics of that location:

http://www.fema.gov/photodata/original/4515.jpg
http://www.fema.gov/photodata/original/4545.jpg
http://www.fema.gov/photodata/original/4957.jpg
http://www.fema.gov/photodata/original/4958.jpg


or maybe this one:

(IMG:http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/6ee58d7d55de.jpg)

-is that tire looking thing what you maybe remember seeing?


regardless - it wasnt a missile, though yes, a few people (almost all of them were far away from the site) said they thought they saw a "smaller (commuter) jet". but i get the sense eric, that you are unfamiliar wit the many on-site witnesses who clearly describe a commercial sized aircraft with 2 jet engines, roaring loud and drawing tons of attention on approach and while passing over. please watch this presentation:

http://z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?showtopic=844

it could not have been a missile painted to look like a plane, because it was a plane. and no one saw a missile there that day, NO ONE. please have a look around the pentagon section (of at least this forum) for some debates on the matter, as well as some susbtantiated information / evidence, instead of getting too lost looking for a picture (that may not exist). if this was 2006 or 07, then such speculation (as your's) would be fine. but presently there exists tons of new information - enough to have a clear understanding of the basics of the physical event itself. thanks to the recorded witness accounts (vieotaped on locatipon) you should be able to draw better-informed conclusions, so i urge you to please take the time to get familiar with their recollections.


on its own, in other words absent any of the above referenced data, your theory is flawed in that the nose of a missile does not and can not (in all probability) survive intact after hitting its target. you say-

If it is a bunker buster missile, it should have a DU nose cone that would possibly survive the crash into the Pentagon.

so step 1 is for you to provide any evidence (even just 1 example) of nosecones (of missiles, DU warheads, etc.) that have successfully remained intact after impact, in order to substantiate that such a possibility even exists. without that, your theory is simply a hunch or suspicion, and can not progress to the next level. mind you, i get where you're coming from - i posted that exact same missile video some 4 years ago asking rob what he thought about that possibility:

http://z15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...t&p=7463811

(the actual vids have been removed, but it was the 2nd of the two links i posted, where i described what we see in the video you posted - a missile launched out of a plane)

-at the time there was a substantial contingent of truth seekers who were sure there was a missile, and i was definitely one of them. it made sense, since we didnt know for sure that there definitely had even been a commercial plane flown over that locale. but that was then, this is now. theories are not needed, only simple (unbiased) observations.

[paranoia]

Yes, I too remember several witnesses reporting the "commuter" type aircraft overhead. Some even reported the sound, 'whooshing'.

I have long thought that a cruise missle of some sort might very well have been involved.

can you provide one example of a missile that sounds like "whooosh" as it travels by the camera and microphone? and what exactly does "whoosh" sound like? there are multiple people who use that word to describe the sound of the plane passing over, some of them located inside the building (pentagon), but some as far back in location as the army navy country club, where it would be too far to launch a would-be missile from (without it being sighted/witnessed by at least a dozen people). since no one saw a missile that day, but many did see an actual commercial sized airplane with 2 jet engines, the more accurate observation (or inferrence) would be that the sound they call "whooshing" can be attributed to this plane, as opposed to a (non-existent) missile. so the onus is on you to prove that a- missile goes or can go "woosh", and b- to find a single witness who saw such a missile on 9/11 in arlington.

[DoYouEverWonder]

Here's one more. I had a couple of other shots, but I'm still digging for them.

(IMG:http://beyondpoliticsand911.com/photogallery/albums/userpics/10001/aedrive_debris2Ba2Btire.jpg)

Aside from the debris, there are 2 or 3 exit holes. The one closest to the camera and two more further down the wall. The following eyewitness account mentions 2 exit holes. The hole closest to the camera is too perfect to be the result of a passenger jet that had already traveled through 4-6 brick walls.


ALSO SEARCHING FOR VICTIMS IN THE CHAOS WAS Navy Captain David M. Thomas Jr., executive assistant for the Navy's Quadrennial Defense Review. In his previous assignment, Thomas, 43, had commanded the USS Ross, an Aegis-class destroyer based in Norfolk. After 12 years at sea and countless damage-control drills, a sailor's instinct is to confront a disaster, not move away from it. So when Thomas felt the shudder that morning, he had rushed down a stairwell to the first floor.

In the breezeway between B and C rings, he had seen smoke and flames through second-deck windows. Inside, he realized, were Navy colleagues, including his closest friend, Captain Robert Dolan, a buddy since their years at the Naval Academy and godfather to one of his children.
Thomas had seen the two holes in the C-ring wall and had gone through the larger one, but found no one inside. There was no response to his calls. Then he heard voices behind a door. It was locked. Someone handed him a metal stanchion to knock the door in with, but it wouldn't give.

http://www.militaryupdate.com/remember_this_name.htm

[paranoia]

dyew - scroll up for a slightly bigger version of that pic! (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

a little more info about the hole:
http://www.navy.mil/search/display.asp?story_id=25532

Sept. 11, 2001, Shaeffer was working on the Chief of Naval Operation's (CNO) staff, located in the Navy Command Center on the first floor of the Pentagon's C-Ring, when Flight 77 crashed into his office space. Shaeffer was a staff action officer in the CNO's Naval Strategy and Concepts Branch that day, working alongside 29 other Sailors within the Navy Command Post.

On top of monitoring the actions of naval units worldwide, his office also monitored current events, and the entire staff watched as the events in New York unfolded. At 9:37 a.m., a hijacked airliner crashed into the Pentagon.

What was a space full of life and bustling activity became a scene full of carnage, said Shaeffer. I remember, all my shipmates, all my colleagues, some no more than two to three feet away, were no longer with me.

Shaeffer was severely burned and had inhaled jet fuel. He made his way to safety through a hole between the C and D-Rings of the Pentagon. There, he was found by Army Sgt. 1st Class Steve Workman, and subsequently taken in for emergency treatment at Walter Reed Army Medical Hospital.

although the article is not 100% clear about exactly how much time transpired between the explosion and the time Shaeffer made it through the c-ring hole, it does state that (outside of that hole) the person Shaeffer ran into was an army personnel (sgt.workman), and NOT fire or rescue people. assuming the article is authentic and the recollections accurately reported, then its pretty good evidence that the c-ring hole was made at the same time as (or very shortly after) the explosions, and NOT made by any fire/rescue emergency response team.

[amazed!]

Paranoia

It's been about 3 or 4 years since I've actually studied the events of the day, and that many since I've understood that all the events were orchestrated by parties unkown. Sure, I'll check out a link to a story, and maybe read it if it looks good, but I don't really STUDY the events of the day anymore. Gotta move on.

But back in the day when I was studying, I distinctly remember seeing a video interview with a guy who thought he had seen a small commuter plane go by. He seemed legit, but who knows?

I understand the shortcomings and failures of eye-witness testimony, especially as it relates to airplanes and aviation and statements by members of the nonflying public.

It's like me trying to describe a sailboat. Well yes, I know it's a sailboat, but as to ketch and sloop and stuff, I never could get it straight.

People are famous for mis-describing aviation events, and I've seen it happen so many times I've lost count.

And in the end it really does not matter, for we are talking about historical events that will not be investigated by the govt, no mo. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/whistle.gif)

[DoYouEverWonder]

Oops. Okay, I owe you one.

Here's one I don't think you've posted, that is of the same spot but earlier in time, before they cleaned up some of the debris.


(IMG:http://beyondpoliticsand911.com/photogallery/albums/userpics/10001/Pentagon-punch-out-hole-2.jpg)

And for reference:

(IMG:http://beyondpoliticsand911.com/photogallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_Pentagon-damage-from-above.jpg)

The 'punch out hole' and the other holes could not have been the result of a passenger jet or even a missile, flying through at least 6 layers of brick/concrete/reinforced walls.

The picture of the 'Punch Out Hole' where some of the debris has been cleared away, looks like the work of a breach kit. There's doesn't seem to be much damage to the concrete floor at all. I would assume if something big and heavy like a airplane engine was traveling with enough force to bust through a brick wall, would have put a few dents in the floor.

This post has been edited by DoYouEverWonder: Oct 10 2010, 02:59 PM

[DoYouEverWonder]

The C Ring damage never made sense to me. Why make such a ridiculous claim that the jet crashed through multiple brick walls, leaving a perfectly round hole at the end of its trip? Why take such a risk?

At the WTC, there's repeated evidence that the perps did a fair bit to reduce the lose of life. What if these holes were blasted in order to create escape routes for the victims of the blast? Most of the victims were evacuated via the center courtyard, away from the public eye.

The pictures show at least 3 openings in the C Ring that look like they were blasted open. Two of them appear to be through existing doors and the third one cuts a new hole through the brick wall. According to the flight path, there should have been holes through the walls in the other rings too, but I've never seen any pictures of those. The Pentagon is an old building and certainly wasn't designed to today's standards for fire safety codes. The distances to exits is way too far away for a fast or easy evacuation, especially if you don't want the dead and injured going out the front of the building.

[onesliceshort]

The C Ring damage never made sense to me. Why make such a ridiculous claim that the jet crashed through multiple brick walls, leaving a perfectly round hole at the end of its trip? Why take such a risk?

At the WTC, there's repeated evidence that the perps did a fair bit to reduce the lose of life. What if these holes were blasted in order to create escape routes for the victims of the blast? Most of the victims were evacuated via the center courtyard, away from the public eye.

The pictures show at least 3 openings in the C Ring that look like they were blasted open. Two of them appear to be through existing doors and the third one cuts a new hole through the brick wall. According to the flight path, there should have been holes through the walls in the other rings too, but I've never seen any pictures of those. The Pentagon is an old building and certainly wasn't designed to today's standards for fire safety codes. The distances to exits is way too far away for a fast or easy evacuation, especially if you don't want the dead and injured going out the front of the building.

Off the top of my head I can't think of anybody escaping via the C Ring hole.
April Gallup escaped through the "impact point" and look how she reacted and has been treated since.

Whatever was used internally was designed to kill outright. No survivors.

It may have been just another visual reinforcement of the official flight path coupled with a perfect release for the directional explosives.

It was allegedly where the FDR was found (among other places)

C Ring would have also been the perfect out of the way site for the "recovery" of DNA.

(IMG:http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a154/perdalis/barbdna_lge.jpg)

IMO it was the perfect hiding place from prying eyes. From the public, Pentagon workers, innocent investigators, etc. There as one way in and one way out through AE Ring. Total control.

It actually proved multi-purpose and has been used to the full in this op.

2cents

[DoYouEverWonder]

Off the top of my head I can't think of anybody escaping via the C Ring hole.
April Gallup escaped through the "impact point" and look how she reacted and has been treated since.

Whatever was used internally was designed to kill outright. No survivors.

Reposting quote from above:

In the breezeway between B and C rings, he had seen smoke and flames through second-deck windows. Inside, he realized, were Navy colleagues, including his closest friend, Captain Robert Dolan, a buddy since their years at the Naval Academy and godfather to one of his children.
Thomas had seen the two holes in the C-ring wall and had gone through the larger one, but found no one inside. There was no response to his calls. Then he heard voices behind a door. It was locked. Someone handed him a metal stanchion to knock the door in with, but it wouldn't give.

http://www.militaryupdate.com/remember_this_name.htm

You may be right that what was used was designed to kill outright, but there were survivors, some of them severely burned.

However, I agree that these holes in the C Ring may have served more than one purpose. When the perps go through that much trouble and risk to do something, they seem to try make sure that their handiwork serves multiple purposes. In this case, the holes provided 'proof' of the planes path. It gave them a place to dump visible 'airplane wreckage'. It gave them an escape route for any possible survivors. It also gave them quick access to the damage zone to either remove or place evidence, including DNA.

This post has been edited by DoYouEverWonder: Oct 12 2010, 07:08 AM

[onesliceshort]

http://www.militaryupdate.com/remember_this_name.htm

Wow, never saw that story before. Cheers DYEW.
What I said was that nobody AFAIK escaped through the C Ring hole from within.

It would be very interesting to hear his description of the area at the time given the alleged placement of the DNA and "wreckage", concentrated in that area, purveyed by that previous image.

By the sounds of it, he more or less entered unimpeded.

ETA: 404ed goddammit

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http://wayback.archive.org/web/*/http://ww...r_this_name.htm
http://web.archive.org/web/20060208043517/...r_this_name.htm



This post has been edited by paranoia: Mar 21 2012, 07:42 PM

[DoYouEverWonder]

Here's a better view of the other two blown out openings.

(IMG:http://beyondpoliticsand911.com/photogallery/albums/userpics/10001/Pentagon-C-Ring-flood.jpg)

The 'punch out' hole is on the other side of the walkways in the back of the picture.