The Dragon Blood-line Options

[elreb]

You can spin this any way you want…

I have the original “Argo” in Magnesia, Thessaly.

The father of Argus was Arestor of the Argive royal house

Argus could relate to Argus Panoptes who was killed by Hermes.

At one time, greater Armenia extended to Kolkhis/Colchis the destination of the Argonauts.

Portions became part of the kingdom of Ararat [Urartu] which included the Araxes and Armavira.
[Named Argistiḫinili “Argisti’s city,” after King Argisti I 786 BC]

The town of Arsamosata was founded by Arsames [the son of Ariaramnes] located off the Eastern Euphrates called the Arsames River.

Possibilities

Because I have Troy somewhere 800 to 850 BC…it should not be hard to find Jason.

That pesky double history always gets in the way.

Also

Let’s keep an eye on “Karanus” 808 BC

K-Ar-Anu-s

[Sanders]

Sorry, Elreb, I don't get your point. You're being cryptic again. Spell it out! Provide details!??

Am I alone? - This thread has 150,000 views ... there are obviously a bunch of people reading this that don't post ... do you people out there know what elreb is talking about half the time?

I don't mean to insult you elreb, you are, in certain theatres, way more informed than myself. But, very sorry and hesitant to say, you fail to make your deep knowledge accessible to the rest of us because you don't explain how you get from A to Z ... you just make cryptic statements about A and Z and we're all scratching our heads about what lies between B and Y.

[elreb]

Clear as a bell…

All oars ho! The boatswain ordered.

In both old English and old Norse “Oar” was pronounced “ār”

It is my guess that words with “Ar” in them relate to “Oarsmen”.

A ship's bell is used to indicate the time aboard a ship and to regulate the sailors' duty watches.

The name “Dog watch” derived from Sirius, the "Dog Star", on the claim that Sirius was the first star to come into view on the first dog watch.

KAranus (808–778 BCE) was the first king of the Argead dynasty and son of Te-Men-id.

They were later called Mace-don-ians.

Dan inspired the name Don.

Argonauts = Oarsmen

Arrr...Matey!

More:

To become an “Able Seaman” you were often required to swab the deck.

A deck of cards has 52 members

If you only play with 12 cards, you are not playing with a full deck. Progress requires both oars in the water.

The serpent in both Egyptian and Minoan = water

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[Sanders]

Very interesting! - I thought that was a great post. Excuse me for my previous.

I suspect (and this is the first time I've heard this) and concur, that there is some connection between a "deck" of cards and the "deck" of a ship.

Why or how or for whatever reason otherwise would a pack of cards be called a "deck"?

Heavens to Betsy, our four-suited card deck is just "politically-correct" (meaning-erased) tarot.

It entertains me to no end how much information can be gleened from our words, i.e. the etymology of the words we use.

The Catholic Church did a fantastic job of erasing any true history that could threaten their dogma and power throughout the middle ages, and so the record is sparse at best. But WORDS remain (no inquisition, no matter how violent, can change the speech of an entire people).

[Sanders]

The reader should note, that our card 'decks' are an echo of an ancient occult theology.

13 cards in a suit.

12 zodiac signs + the ruler of the zodiac, draco, = 13 signs.

Draco both rules and defines the heavens, while being a separate constelation unto itself. Draco lies at true polar north and the other constellations revolve around it.

This, as well as the yearly 13 cycles of the Moon and female menstration (all of those related of course) are the reason 13 is an occult number. There were, actually, if you count, 13 tribes of Israel.

The dragon was kept for the elite priest-kings in assorted places, while the rest of the zodiac offered to the stupid masses, and so '12' became popular (inches in a foot, donuts in a dozen, etc.) while the number 13 became sort of an 'occult' number. Whether the Templar disaster which occurred on a Friday the 13th was just coincidence or not, I have no idea.

This 13/12 peculiarity has its counterpart in the Tarot ... there are four suits, correlating with four seasons, four elements, etc.

There is a fifth element (in the ancient mysteries), the heavens, represented by the cross.

In Japan, in Nikko, there is a 5-storied pagoda, standing near the tomb of Ieyasu Tokugawa. The grounds are a national treasure, I have been there, and there are edifices of dragons everywhere you look. The 5 stories of the pagoda represent - earth, wind, water, fire, and, at the top, heaven.

The Japanese emperor is "son of heaven".

But the Japanese are pagan. What is being lost in translation, what do they mean by, "heaven"??

Then you have the movie, "the Fifth Element" (which I've already mentioned in this thread).

With respect to the four elements, the CROSS was the fifth.

Like draco with respect to the 12 constellations, the cross rules over while defining the four elements/winds/directions.

Ultimately, the cross is the sign of many things - a definer of elements, directions, seasons and zodiac goups. But it is, in its own right, also the sign of the grail.

With respect to the grail, the cross is always red, and so the Rosey-Croix, Rosecrucianism.

(Shhhh - I'll bet that "Ormus", who founded the first Rosey-Croix society in Alexandria, Egypt in AD 46 was Jesus himself.)

[23investigator]

[quote name='Sanders' date='Feb 21 2013, 03:52 PM' post='10807839']
The reader should note, that our card 'decks' are an echo of an ancient occult theology.

This 13/12 peculiarity has its counterpart in the Tarot ... there are four suits, correlating with four seasons, four elements, etc.

Dear 'Sanders'

This is without any basis of knowledge.

13/12

Take one from twelve = 11
Take three from twelve = 9

and in reverse in your country.

Is that just a coincidence ?

Please do not let this distract from the post above.

Robert S

[Sanders]

This is without any basis of knowledge.

I would have said, no basis in "accepted wisdom", or, "fact" as it is accepted.

Knowledge is something completely different.

There's another parallel for the twelve revolving around the one, comprising thirteen.

Jesus and his 12 disciples.

Hey, you finally understand the language, the symbology, and you start to see the pattern repeated everywhere. There is no definitive proof of anything!!! - but, you know you are hot on the trail of something important.

[Sanders]

BTW the 13 cards of each suit are ultimately members of the "deck", divided into the four suits but are all a part of the deck. If the deck embodies, rules over and defines the four suits (as is the case in occult wisdom devoid of any connection to any box of playing cards), then it is the cross, which divides, embodies and rules over the four suits, winds, directions, elements.

The overriding concept is one over the others - one over 12, one over 4, comprising 13 or 5, this leads to the concept of a hereditary monarch, a priest-king, during the reign in antiquity of which these concepts arose.

[elreb]

If true…

Originally ships were made out of small rectangular pieces of material; bored sailors would often peel them off the top of the ship and play games with them.

However, often the ships were sealed, so the sailors had to use knives and swords to retrieve the cards; this is where the term 'cutting the deck' comes from.

An entire level of the ship was made from 52 rectangles, because ships frequently had to be moved across land, and the cards were marked for easy assemblage later.

Never store manure below the deck...to prevent methane explosions’

"Ship High In Transit" [S.H.I.T]

Not to be confused with the “Poop” deck.

[elreb]

This thread has 150,000 views ...

You are the man...

[Sanders]

Fast forward (or backward, whichever ...) to the time of the American revolution.

I have made some modifications to this.

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I urge the reader to look for all of the intermarriages by which the Deming and Avery families connect to more conspicuous families involved in the hijacking of America.

Neither the Demings nor the Averys are conspicuous for any other reason. None of them were prominent politicians, nor wealthy slave traders, or anything else. Yet, if you inspect my genealogy chart you will notice that those families that WERE conspicuous in their accumulation of wealth, involvement in the slave and/or opium trades, politics, or prominent bankers, seem to have been falling all over themselves to marry into either the Deming or Avery families, nearly always a non-Avery/Deming male marrying a female Deming or Avery. The instances of these Deming or Avery girls, despite not being of particularly important families, marrying over and over into very important families are numerous.

In fact, the Deming and Avery families provide, if you study the chart, a bridge (in fact many bridges, so numerous that it caught my attention) between a handful of important families.

Why?

While stewing on that, note that the name Avery suggests Avar roots, and that the Demings hailed originally from Venice, in fact they were a Venice-founding family (then 'Minotto' family) of that original slave-trading port of the Renaissance period.

Don't remember if I've mentioned this here in this thread or not ... but Charlemagne's grandmother is recorded as being one 'Blanche, Flower of Hungary'.

Hungary didn't exist under that name back then. Charlemagne and his son hadn't conquered it yet, and the Magyars wouldn't fill the vacuum left and create what would be called Hungary for over a century after Charlemagne was dead, to say nothing of his grandmother.

In the time of Charlemagne, his mother, and grandmother 'Blanch' as well, what we now call Hungary was AVAR country.

i.e. 'Blanche' was an Avar.

I will expound on this as soon as I am able.

[Sanders]

The Carolingian kings, "Peppinids", descended from Peppin of Herstal, the conspirator who, in collusion with the Church of Rome, got rid of that giant thorn in the side of the Catholic Church, Dagobert II, by sending an assassin, Dagobert's own godson, to do the deed. Dagobert recieved a lance through the eye in the year 679 while taking a nap on a hunting outing. This event changed the world, it marked the beginning of the end of the Arian "elvin" and "Christ-line" kings of man, the ascendency of the Church of Rome, and subsequently, in their aid to the later to extinquish the former, the rise of the warrior "Viking" and "Hun" ruling houses. No surprise that this turn of events resulted in the "dark ages" - not "dark" just because the Church erased all evidence of their crime by destroying all written records they could get their hands on which could give any future scholars a true picture of the world they usurped, but a true dark age, when literacy for anyone not a monk cooped up in a monastery copying the approved Gospels went out the window and people simply lived in fear - fear of oppressive feudal lords, of witch hunts, of disease, and of hell for their sins.

At the beginning of this though, the usurper Carolingians had one big problem.

The Church, prior to crowning the son of Charles the Hammer (in turn son of Peppin of Herstal), Peppin "the short", KING, this "crowning" being something which, at that time in history there was no precident, whipped out the 'Donation of Constantine'. This document, dated half a millenium prior, proclaimed that Constantine the Great, while he was alive in the 4th century (!), donated all his powers to the Church of Rome.

It was a forgery, and was proved as such during the Renaissance period.

The 'Donation of Constantine' gave the Church, or should I say, the Church gave to itself, the power to anoint kings.

It could not have been lost on the people of Gaul that these Carolingians who intended to rule (as front-men for the Church of Rome) were usurpers. "Royal Blood" was either missing or insufficient in the veins of these Peppinids, and that family tried to rectify that. Accepted wisdom asserts that women like Bertrada, Charlemagne's mother, and other princesses who married into the Carolingian line, were Merovingian.

Were they?

Bertrada, nicknamed "the "Broadfoot", or "Goosefoot", (actually, she told fairy tales to her son and is so remembered as 'Mother Goose') was jewish. Back then, being jewish had a different connotation than it does now, especially if you happened to be in southern Gaul (France). (The descendants of Christ were still living there, and prospering, and the area was known for its "Gnostic" heretical bent ... the Church would kill and burn the whole of southern France in the 13th century to get rid of this bloodline, it's religion, and its adherents.)

Obviously, "Goosefoot" was a later-attached slander pertaining to Bertrada's jewishness, just as (her cousin?) Guillem de Gellone was called "hook-nose". But at the time, the Carolingians, having usurped the throne of the Merovingians, strove to strengthen their claim of kingship by intermarrying with any 'Arians' (i.e. Davidians, Elves, Royal Scythians) they could get into their beds.

One son of the union of Carolingians and princesses of an unidentifiable "Grail"/"Davidic" family line, Guillem de Gellone, an archetypical medieval knight who helped Charlemagne expand his kingdom, and about whom much prose was written, words which survived the dark ages, apparently physically crowned one of Charlemagne's sons, Louis "the Pious".

Words spoken during the coronation by Louis to Guillem (William) - "Lord William... it is your lineage that has raised up mine".

Many scholars question the genealogy of the "Merovingian" princesses who married into the early Carolingian line. I question whether any true Merovingian princess would marry, or be granted permission to marry, a Carolingian, a relative of the murderers of one of her own family and usurper of her own family's royal heritage. I suggest that the "Merovingian" princesses that Charlemagne's close ancestors married were of Arian (Scythian) descent, possibly Davidic, but not Merovingian. Blood is blood, and there were other (truly) Royal blood-lines still existent, ruling various tribes around the western world (and one in particular very close to Charlemagne's kingdom, that of the Avars who resided in the Carpathian basin, which was, viewing from Franconia, on the other side of the kingdom of Charlemagne's allies, the Lombards).

(.... getting there.)

[Sanders]

Charlemagne's grandmother, the mother of, sorry, 'Mother Goose', is known to history as 'Blanche, the flower of Hungary".

At that time there was no Hungary. It was just the Carpathian basin, and it was inhabited by the Avars.

So, if his grandmother was the 'Flower of Hungary', then she was an Avar.

Several towns in central France carry names that allude to an Avar history. Avaricon (now Bourges) for example.

Add to that, her name was Blanche - i.e., white.

And add to that that the Avars were the most feared and respected of the various nomadic Asian tribes.

Then add to that and that that Avar, spelled AVR in ancient Hebrew, meant "light".

And, you have also some interesting circumstantial info ... Tolkien, in his Ring Trilogy named one of his Elven tribes 'Avari'. Further, the island where the lady of the lake in the Arthurian legends produced ex-calibur was Avallon. And, if you look into the etymology of any of these words they link then (Avar, Avari, Avallon etc.) to APPLE.

Always a dragon (or snake, in the bible) guarding an apple tree. The apple (in some cultures a pomegranate) being, forbidden wisdom.

It's the grail. It's the high perceptive powers of the Arians which were forbidden to be given to common humans (their biology would have prevented the Grail ritual working anyway).

This prompts the thinker to rethink Prometheus, who stole fire (and knowlege in some accounts) from the gods and gave them to man. Odd, the Rockefeller Standard Oil logo is the fire of Prometheus, while a bronze statue of Prometheus himself guards the skating rink at Rockefeller Center in NY.

Anyway, so much of the history during the middle ages was destroyed to protect "the secret", it's hard to say with any confidence. But I think the "Merovingian princesses" the Carolingians married were in fact Avars.

They were of the right blood, just a different branch. Accepted history lists them as Merovingian princesses ... I suggest mistakenly.

Blanche, "Flower of Hungary" is pretty solid evidence of the fact, IMO.

[elreb]

Happy Birthday

[elreb]

Dragon blood...

Nicholas de Vere

http://youtu.be/J30MEoMBS14

[elreb]

Nicholas de Vere Von Drakenberg...Actual name = Nicholas Thomas Weir son of James Weir and Natalie Hopgood

1957-2013 died at the age of 56 y

Sovereign Grand Master

His Royal Highness

Dragon Prince of the House of Vere

His replacement is:

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[truthhunter]

This is an amazing thread!

Sanders I am in awe!

Just a couple of points on the Tribe of Dan.

What about old MacDonald had a farm? MacDonald means son of Dan! Does it mean Dan are the shepherds?

Also are you aware of the Sheridans? They have a site here: http://www.princeofdan.org I think you might be surprised :-)