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Kara And The C130 Pilot, Deception?

onesliceshort
post May 15 2014, 07:23 PM
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Sorry this is hot on the heels of the other thread but it has to be done this way to make sense (to me anyway!)

Kara and O'Brien interview, May 5, 2004

http://www.oredigger61.org/?p=6314

I'll break this interview down in to separate posts.

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Kara: And according to the mission debrief, Colonel, you were in Washington DC to simply, you were going to ferry some cargo back to Minneapolis, is that correct?

O’Brien: That’s affirmative. We had been on a Guard lift mission down to the Virgin Islands, prior to that. And as an add on to that mission we were supposed to pick up some parts that were supposed to be waiting for us at Andrews Air Force Base, something that only after a few phone calls that morning we found out that the parts had possibly wound up at Dover Air Force Base but they couldn’t verify that for sure. So at that point our Commander at Minneapolis told us just ah to come on home. So, we spent the evening of the 10th September at Andrews Air Force Base, [unclear] remaining overnight, and then we were scheduled to fly home on the eleventh from Andrews to Minneapolis.


Note: According to O'Brien, the C130 was at Andrews Air Force Base "to pick up some parts that were supposed to be waiting for" them that never materialized.

Question:

Was this apparently failed mission "add on" ever elaborated on?

Who organized this "pick up"?
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post Jun 3 2014, 06:58 PM
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I went to Loose Change Forums to "talk" to "Boonedoggled" who claimed that this interview "proved once and for all" that the C130 flew as per RADES. No, it doesn't!

Kara skipped from the takeoff to O'Brien's encounter with this aircraft. We know that every interview before and since the 2004 Kara interview, that the Mall is referred to repeatedly.

He tried to trivialize the upwards of two minutes of discrepancies between the proven manipulated ATC recordings timeframes, coupled with O'Brien's claim that he was up by 09:31. A timeframe mentioned not by O'Brien, but by Kara which points to an earlier interview that we know nothing about. The source of what is a very specific timeframe is never revealed.

FTR, a 2 minute discrepancy could bring O'Brien further north towards the Mall. Or north of Reagan.

Boonedoggled also claimed that the "start" of the bank O'Brien described at his "12 o'clock" position may he explained by the "eratic" nature of the bank during the alleged loop. Wrong. The NTSB animation shows no level flight or shallow bank during the alleged area before where the C130 and this plane intersected. It was in a constant bank according to the official story. Full stop.

I had only just got started when the usual sidelining began of witnesses who described the C130 approaching from the northwest in a southern trajectory; wordplay on the ambiguity of a section of the interview where O'Brien claimed that he had to "turn right" and "to the south" to avoid the smokeplume (how would O'Brien feel he was to "turn south" when he was allegedly heading northeasterly??), then the usual nonsense where he planted the "he watched it fly into the Pentagon" in to the mix.

It's got to the point where I don't get angry any more talking to these people. They're history as far as I'm concerned.
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- onesliceshort   Kara And The C130 Pilot   May 15 2014, 07:23 PM
- - onesliceshort   QUOTE O’Brien: Well, I believe we were scheduled f...   May 15 2014, 07:24 PM
- - onesliceshort   QUOTE O’Brien: We had no knowledge of anything tha...   May 15 2014, 07:25 PM
- - onesliceshort   QUOTE Kara: OK, And on the ground, and Colonel, we...   May 15 2014, 07:27 PM
- - onesliceshort   QUOTE Kara: And what I’d like to do now for you, C...   May 15 2014, 07:29 PM
- - onesliceshort   QUOTE Kara: And the reason that you were delayed, ...   May 15 2014, 07:31 PM
- - onesliceshort   QUOTE O'Brien: ...If you like I can elaborate ...   May 15 2014, 07:37 PM
- - onesliceshort   QUOTE Kara: And you might have heard in the backgr...   May 15 2014, 07:39 PM
- - onesliceshort   QUOTE Kara: And what I did Colonel was I compresse...   May 15 2014, 07:42 PM
- - onesliceshort   QUOTE O'Brien: ...I think the aircraft was ban...   May 15 2014, 07:47 PM
- - onesliceshort   QUOTE O'Brien: ...we’ve got a what we call a T...   May 15 2014, 07:49 PM
- - onesliceshort   QUOTE Kara: And, based on our review of the radar ...   May 15 2014, 07:50 PM
- - onesliceshort   This is very important QUOTE Kara: And then you w...   May 15 2014, 07:55 PM
- - onesliceshort   QUOTE [An audio compilation. The Dulles TRACON cli...   May 15 2014, 07:59 PM
- - onesliceshort   QUOTE 5174 is the transponder code for N10CE, a he...   May 18 2014, 08:15 PM
|- - onesliceshort   QUOTE (onesliceshort @ May 19 2014, 01:15...   May 26 2014, 09:01 AM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (onesliceshort @ May 26 2014, 09:01...   May 26 2014, 10:55 AM
- - onesliceshort   Cheers Rob. That comment wasn't directed at yo...   May 26 2014, 02:38 PM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (onesliceshort @ May 26 2014, 02:38...   May 26 2014, 03:01 PM
- - onesliceshort   Thanks for the feedback Rob. Kawika sent me a sti...   May 26 2014, 04:24 PM
- - vancegreen37   Steven O' Brien's recorded interview is av...   Jun 2 2014, 08:18 PM
|- - onesliceshort   QUOTE (vancegreen37 @ Jun 3 2014, 01:18 A...   Jun 3 2014, 11:06 AM
- - onesliceshort   I went to Loose Change Forums to "talk" ...   Jun 3 2014, 06:58 PM


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