Following The Flight Paths Of The 4 Commercial Jets Options

[R3ALMan]

This is a multiple part question that I hope can be answered. I believe that military aircraft went into the two towers. I believe that a commercial jet liner flew over, but did not crash into the pentagon nor did a commercial jetliner crash at Shanksville, Pa.

Doubters ask me what happened to the passengers from those flights?

I'd like to know if the tracking of the planes could be messed with such that another aircraft (military plane) could assume the role of the commercial jet, or is that just complicating the whole senario?

I saw the second plane approaching the second tower on T.V. and it did not appear to be flying at that high a rate of speed. Is there any way of calculating the air speed than what the govenrment says that or both commercial jets were traveling at?

Thanks!

[amazed!]

Welcome to the forum sir! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welcome.gif)

There are answers to some of your questions, and if you spend a bit of time looking here, you will find them.

The Official Conspiracy Theory is full of holes.

[R3ALMan]

Welcome to the forum sir! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welcome.gif)

There are answers to some of your questions, and if you spend a bit of time looking here, you will find them.

The Official Conspiracy Theory is full of holes.

Well, finding my way around this site is not as direct as you giving me the place within the site where my question is answered. I'm researching all the time, but a little help would be better and very much appreciated.

Thanks.

[amazed!]

OK.

The first question mark in your post comes at the end of a statement of fact, not a question. So I'm instantly lost.

Airspeed is what they say it is, probably. In the end, 11 years later, it doesn't really matter what the airspeed was.

The passengers might have been mythical, but certainly some players were involved. Whether anybody actually died that was on the passenger lists would be nice to know.

Yes, the tracking of the airplanes was messed up. Indeed the entire ATC and even military radars were spoofed that day, thanks to the training exercise Vigilant Guardian.

That's why I say the airspeed doesn't matter. They sacrificed 2 aircraft and achieved their goal, bit time. The passengers are but actors in a play, an we, the audience.

[R3ALMan]

OK.

The first question mark in your post comes at the end of a statement of fact, not a question. So I'm instantly lost.

Airspeed is what they say it is, probably. In the end, 11 years later, it doesn't really matter what the airspeed was.

The passengers might have been mythical, but certainly some players were involved. Whether anybody actually died that was on the passenger lists would be nice to know.

Yes, the tracking of the airplanes was messed up. Indeed the entire ATC and even military radars were spoofed that day, thanks to the training exercise Vigilant Guardian.

That's why I say the airspeed doesn't matter. They sacrificed 2 aircraft and achieved their goal, bit time. The passengers are but actors in a play, an we, the audience.

[R3ALMan]

You don't think there were hijacked planes. I looked up the lists of pilots and crew and the names of those on the plane. As you indicated, there are no terrorist names listed as passengers, but then upon following up on a stewardist, I wonder if those who are pilots or stewardists have come forward and claimed to have known those listed as now dead or missing? This doesn't eliminate foul play, but at least tries to substaniate that there were victims and hijacked planes of some kind.

Thanks.

[amazed!]

My hunch is that the passengers were players in the play, but I might be wrong.

Close examination of the 'phone calls' strongly suggests they were staged. There is an artificial quality that permeates them all.

And before that, the cell phone calls were impossible.

So, if one were planning the operation, why would you want to actually hijack an airplane, when you can just tell the story that airplanes were hijacked, and everybody would believe it?

If things are staged and the story is concocted, what need is there to allow low quality pilots to actually hijack a real Boeing and crash it? Simply tell the story by way of the media, utterly distract the world by flying drone Boeings into the towers, and continue the march.

[R3ALMan]

My hunch is that the passengers were players in the play, but I might be wrong.

Close examination of the 'phone calls' strongly suggests they were staged. There is an artificial quality that permeates them all.

And before that, the cell phone calls were impossible.

So, if one were planning the operation, why would you want to actually hijack an airplane, when you can just tell the story that airplanes were hijacked, and everybody would believe it?

If things are staged and the story is concocted, what need is there to allow low quality pilots to actually hijack a real Boeing and crash it? Simply tell the story by way of the media, utterly distract the world by flying drone Boeings into the towers, and continue the march.

[R3ALMan]

I subscribe mostly to the Bumble Planes Theory although this link below does not. I don't know where the plane, flight 93 would have been blown up, but I don't see evidence that bodies were recovered over Shanksville. I've looked at the face of the north tower and tried to calculate the scar left by the first plane and it looks, if my numbers are right to be closer to 124' wide and not the 158' that a boeing 767's wingspan would make. None of the pictures hitting the towers resemble the color of the aircraft that the government said was the commercial hijacked planes. http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/analysis/bumble.html

Do you have anymore to add?

[amazed!]

Not at the moment, but welcome to the forum.

Some question the authenticity of the Naudet film, including myself, but I don't feel strongly about that.

Exactly what hit the North tower is a bit mysterious. Several people called in to 911 to report it, and as I recall, most said it was a smaller airplane. There is a thread regarding that here at PFT.

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[R3ALMan]

Hi Amazed,

I've just watched Pandora's Black Box, Part 2. I ma have seen Part 1 but not Part 3 as yet. I've run into a difficulty on the web of no sound with Part 3. Can you refer me to a version with sound as I've recently found out about debrie falling over Indian Lake (The Pittsburg Gazzette) and want to get the full story from Pilotsfor911truth.

Thanks.

[amazed!]

Wish I could help, but my linking skills are very very deficient. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dunno.gif)