The mammoth global warming scam Options

[Quest]

Gotcha. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

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Sorry, I mean I agee. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif)

[lunk]

What about the relationship between cosmic rays penetrating the atmosphere and causing low cloud formations.

What controls cosmic rays hitting the Earth?
The heliosphere. It shields the solar system.

What controls the heliosphere?
The suns own magnetic field.

But this fluctuates, in patterns that CAN be predicted.
If the suns' magnetic field collapses, so does its' heliosphere.
And the Earth is no longer protected from cosmic rays and becomes overcast.

It wont stay warm for long if the sun can't shine through the clouds.

imo, lunk

[Omega892R09]

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Sorry, I mean I agee. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif)

Ah! That old 'two nations seperated by a common language' thing. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/cheers.gif)

[Timothy Osman]

Weather Channel Founder Wants To Sue Al Gore For Global Warming Fraud
Coleman says man-made climate change advocates would lose landmark court case

Interesting concept, using the legal system to determine the truth. Why do I start thinking about Chewbacca and ill fitting gloves.

http://southpark.comedycentral.com/videos....pisodeId=103585

[bill]

GLOBAL WARMING !!!

*cue the psycho violins*

reeee - reeee- reeee- reeee


http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseacti...VideoID=1265135


good topic btw, Quest


sorry tim just had to steal it from Chill

[bill]

on a more serious note


The Great Global Warming Swindle

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=26...h&plindex=3

[Omega892R09]

on a more serious note


The Great Global Warming Swindle

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=26...h&plindex=3

Groan! Not that old claptrap again!

That programme itself has been demonstrated as less than tuthful.

http://www.jri.org.uk/index.php?option=com...7&Itemid=83

http://royalsociety.org/page.asp?id=6229&a...CFQ9IMAodezJL7A

http://www.durangobill.com/Swindle_Swindle.html

http://www.celsias.com/2007/03/11/the-grea...arming-swindle/

Now I anticipate replies pointing to sites and video clips supporting the premise of that documentary, fine if you feel like that then do so, but have a look at this first, sorry about the poor sound:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656640542976216573

and don't forget to drop by at:

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/hadleycentre/index.html

[lunk]

(IMG:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bd/Heliosphere_drawing.gif)

[lunk]

Groan! Not that old claptrap again!

That programme itself has been demonstrated as less than tuthful.

http://www.jri.org.uk/index.php?option=com...7&Itemid=83

http://royalsociety.org/page.asp?id=6229&a...CFQ9IMAodezJL7A

http://www.durangobill.com/Swindle_Swindle.html

http://www.celsias.com/2007/03/11/the-grea...arming-swindle/

Now I anticipate replies pointing to sites and video clips supporting the premise of that documentary, fine if you feel like that then do so, but have a look at this first, sorry about the poor sound:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656640542976216573

and don't forget to drop by at:

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/hadleycentre/index.html

Why do I keep thinking of that gentlemens' periodical, Popular Science when going through all these links?

[bill]

It amazes me that people that see through the lies, deception and propaganda of 911


sit open mouthed sucking down the vomitus propaganda of 'global warming'

*shakes head in disbelief*

[bill]

"http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656640542976216573"

This is the silliest 'debunking' I have ever tried to listen to

amatuerish

In any case the most basic tenents of scientific investigation are ignored


science 101

correlations DO NOT PROVE CAUSATION

From my Staistics 234 Class:

There is a very high correlation coefficient between the 'stickiness' of asphault parking lots and the number heart attacks per capita

IIRC the correlation coefficient was .91

does that prove that asphault stickiness causes heart attacks

no one would believe this

It is silly


"there seems to be a high "correlation coefiicient' between global average temperatures and CO2 levels


"AH HA !!!

'high' CO2 levels cause Global warming"


STUPID STUPID STUPID

[lunk]

The litmus test does not change the ph (acidity) of a liquid,
it's an indicator of the ph of that liquid.

I think the same is true with CO2,
it's an indicator of past temperature,
not the cause.


imo, lunk

[Quest]

The litmus test does not change the ph (acidity) of a liquid,
it's an indicator of the ph of that liquid.

I think the same is true with CO2,
it's an indicator of past temperature,
not the cause.


imo, lunk

Exactly.

Temperature increases preceed C02 increases, not the other way around as Al Gore's "Inconvenient Truth" would lead us to believe. The reason this one got jumped on is once again, the power brokers, read - investments bankers/911 perps are using so-called liberal causes against the populace. It's absolutely despicable. They know that liberals, of which I am one, are their own worst enemies in that they run around like Chicken Little screaming "The sky is fallling!" at the mere suggestion of ANYTHING that sounds like a worthy cause - especially if there is apperance of big corporations involved. "Global warming! It must be true! Big oil has done it to us again!" Yet, take a look at who is leading the charge for global warming - Morgan Stanley and Credit Suisse, Deutche Bank (911 insider trading) and Lehman Brothers. Not exactly Green Peace. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/whistle.gif)

This is not to say that there is no concern whatsoever regarding emmisions but you CAN be assured that the criminal elite investments bankers/911 perps are playing BOTH SIDES of the fence and no matter which side of this issue "wins", we lose, wether it means highers taxes, more expensive food medicine and less travel - with all the taxes and money raised to fuel (pun intended) yet more genocides around the world.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/26/business...amp;oref=slogin

The New York Times

September 26, 2007
Banks Urging U.S. to Adopt the Trading of Emissions
By JAMES KANTER
PARIS, Sept. 25
"A group representing some of the world’s leading banks will urge the United States and other industrial nations this week to move quickly to introduce a lightly regulated system for trading carbon emissions permits.

Permit-trading systems offer banks a potentially vast new business. For it to grow, leading economies — particularly the United States — will need to set limits on the quantities of greenhouse gases that can be released and to allow companies in other parts of the world to buy emissions permits.

“Where politicians opt to implement carbon constraints, then it should be cap-and-trade,” said Imtiaz Ahmad, head of emissions trading at Morgan Stanley in London and vice president of a lobbying group called International Carbon Investors and Services, which is being created to represent the banks.

The banking companies, which include Citigroup, Lehman Brothers Holdings and Morgan Stanley, are giving strong signs that Wall Street wants Washington to open the way to reduced emissions using a trading system based on the Kyoto Protocol, an agreement the United States did not ratify, rather than by enacting carbon taxes.

The group also includes European institutions like BNP Paribas, Barclays Capital and Deutsche Bank, as well as niche investment banks like Climate Change Capital and the law firms of Baker & McKenzie and DLA Piper."

This post has been edited by Quest: Mar 15 2008, 11:22 PM

[lunk]

It amazes me that people that see through the lies, deception and propaganda of 911


sit open mouthed sucking down the vomitus propaganda of 'global warming'

*shakes head in disbelief*

I'm still waiting for people to realize that the Earth has doubled in its' size over the last 70 million years!

I laughed when I first heard of this, I thought, what I was taught in school (at a very young age) was true about the continents drifting around bumping into each other, sometimes subducting under the Earth. It isn't.

"There is so much we don't know."
Deek Jackson

imo, lunk

[Omega892R09]

It amazes me that people that see through the lies, deception and propaganda of 911


sit open mouthed sucking down the vomitus propaganda of 'global warming'

*shakes head in disbelief*

It amazes me that people who see through the lies and deception of organised religion

fail to see the lies and deception that make up the OCT on 9/11.

*shakes head in disbelief*

[Omega892R09]

"http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656640542976216573"

This is the silliest 'debunking' I have ever tried to listen to

amatuerish

STUPID STUPID STUPID

Your tone is not appreciated.

Amatuerish in production and sound maybe, and a matter that I had acknowledged, but based upon sound understanding of the science behind the anthropogenic global warming issue.

Stupid it is not and I take exception to this attitude which is clearly ignoring the wealth of souces that back up the claims that The Great Global Warming Swindle is negligent of the facts.

Oh well. When the feedback from the excess CO2, and other forcings, that we have pumped into the atmosphere kicks in with a vengeance then don't try saying that you were not warned.

[Omega892R09]

The litmus test does not change the ph (acidity) of a liquid,
it's an indicator of the ph of that liquid.

I think the same is true with CO2,
it's an indicator of past temperature,
not the cause.


imo, lunk

Not entirely. Sure a rise in temperature can increase the amounts of CO2 and CH4 released into the atmosphere and climate change scientists recognise this but this is by way of a feedback mechanism where the higher temperature is the result of an earlier rise in CO2 and/or CH4 increasing the greenhouse effect.

As temperatures rise and ice recedes and tundra thaws there is an associated increase in the release of CO2 and CH4. Also as the oceans warm, and the temperature threshold for pelagic foraminifera survival is crossed and these organisms die in vast numbers and release locked up CO2 then the oceans will become carbon sources rather than carbon sinks as they are at present. The posit made in The Great Global Warming Swindle (TGGWS) that oceans are sources of CO2 is only true in an unbalanced way when temperatures have risen to bring on the conditions stated above. For centuries the oceans have been CO2 sinks. In other words TGGWS has distorted the facts on this aspect as in so many others.

[lunk]

In the news

CO2 has gone from the greenhouse gas
that is main cause of human made global warming,
to a partial cause of global warming,
to the partial cause of climate change...
Now they are taxing me for it!

How does that game go?
You're getting hotter, even hotter, no, colder, much colder, you're freezing.

We are all carbon based lifeforms,
a carbon tax is a tax on life itself.

Isn't that what the shadowy puppet masters want?

I think that CO2 is NOT a green house gas at all,
except on Mars where it IS the atmosphere.
And it's not very warm there.

Plants rely on CO2 as their only food,
and are living on a starvation diet of it.

If CO2 was a such a powerful greenhouse gas,
Why isn't it used to insulate greenhouses?

[Quest]

The Alex Jones Show-Dr.Howard Hayden: Global Warming Hoax

Youtube
Sunday, March 16, 2008

Howard C. Hayden, emeritus professor of physics from the University of Connecticut, told a Pueblo West audience that he was prompted to speak out after a visit to New York where he learned that scaremongering billboards about the long-term effects of global warming were being purchased at a cost of $700,000 a month.

"Someone is willing to spend a huge amount of money to scare us about global warming," Hayden said. "Big money is behind the global-warming propaganda."

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march...60308Hayden.htm

[Quest]

Is this the "privitization" of the 'global warming' crusade? Playing both sides of the fence; business as usual.


McCain Pushes 'Cap-And-Trade' Plan to Fight Global Warming

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march...00308McCain.htm

Dan Gainor
The Boone Pickens Free Market Fellow
Business & Media Institute
Thursday, March 20, 2008

Presumptive GOP presidential nominee John McCain is using the idea of global togetherness to promote “a cap-and-trade system” to battle climate change. He said “Americans and Europeans need to get serious about substantially reducing greenhouse gas emissions in the coming years or we will hand over a much-diminished world to our grandchildren.”

According to the Arizona senator, whose opinion column appeared in the March 19 Financial Times, the United States needs to work with Europe to create a replacement for the Kyoto treaty.

“We need a successor to Kyoto, a cap-and-trade system that delivers the necessary environmental impact in an economically responsible manner.” He said America needs to be willing to be “persuaded” by our European allies. McCain’s column was headlined “America must be a good role model.”

However, he never addressed the potential costs of his proposal.

McCain talked about Americans and Europeans leading together but only said he wanted to “encourage the participation of the rest of the world, including most importantly, the developing economic powerhouses of China and India.”

But experience has already shown that government intervention in environmental issues can have negative consequences. Ethanol mandates have artificially inflated demand for corn and affected grocery prices. And recent studies have shown ethanol isn’t any better for the environment than burning fossil fuels.

A recent report from the Nikkei estimated it would cost the Japanese economy $500 billion – split evenly between businesses and consumers – to meet its carbon reduction goals by 2020.

McCain in his column did advocate for increased use of nuclear power. “Right now safe, climate-friendly nuclear energy is a critical way both to improve the quality of our air and to reduce our dependence on foreign energy sources.”

McCain’s cap-and-trade position is similar to both of his liberal potential adversaries. According to his campaign Web site, Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) also supports “implementation of a market-based cap-and-trade system to reduce carbon emissions by the amount scientists say is necessary: 80 percent below 1990 levels by 2050.” Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.) also has a climate plan “centered on a cap and trade system for carbon emissions.”