Tsa Groping 6 Year Old Girl - America Is Finished Options

[IslandPilot]

recently I've had an edit war at Wikipedia to get from there this legal nonsenses:
Link to edit history.

I was trying to post there quite an opposite legal view sourced in court precedents, statutes and Wikipedia itself:
Link to edit history whre the sources are linked.
This was almost immediately deleted as "original research" despite it was sourced and moreover the absolutely unsourced original legal nonsenses contradicting laws and precedents were restored by Ravensfire.

So I deleted it as (WP:OR, no sources whatsoever, highly controversial or downright untrue from legal point of view).
Since then nobody dared there to restore the nonsenses.

A poll: who thinks I'm right with the legal interpretation?

Tume: I would say your "legal interpretation" is entirely consistent with what I learned about US History, US Government, Our Constitution, and our Legal System from 7th Grade through High School... that would have been from 1959 to 1964. But many things seem to have "changed" since then.

In 1959, "I LEARNED" that "ONLY CONGRESS CAN DECLARE WAR"... and if I didn't learn "exactly that"... and "respond appropriately"; I could have gotten my "knuckles wrapped" with a heavy wooden "Yardstick"! ("Meter-sticks" didn't come till later.) Yet, by 1966 my classmates were being shipped off to Vietnam to be KILLED in a (conveniently) "Undeclared War"!

My "generation" did everything it could to "Protest Against" and finally "End" the Vietnam War. But NOTHING has ever been done to put an END to "UNDECLARED WARS" by the USA Military Industial Complex.

The current "crop" of our Legislative, Executive, and Judicial Agency personnel have been very good at "twisting" the "meanings" of the US Constitution... and "revising" our "laws" and "legal system", so it no longer RESEMBLES anything I was taught back in the 1960s.

Our "Declaration of Independence" and "Bill of Rights" today seem to be "nothing" more than "interesting" historical documents. The way that the the "US EMPIRE" acts today; is NO DIFFERENT than the BRITISH EMPIRE acted 225 years ago... which is why Our Forefathers Revolted against it, in the first place.

We are no longer a "Nation of Laws"; in which the Government derives its POWER from the PEOPLE; so if our "Government" doesn't "FEEL" like complying with the LAW.... they WON'T.

Other than that, your "reasoning is flawless", as far as the "written law" is supposed to be.

[albertchampion]

yes, we are so far down the rabbit hole that george walker bush was accurate when he identified the constitution as just a piece of [toilet] paper.

i had some of my internationally traveling sales staff in last week for a meet. i asked them about usa/tsa vis a vis other countries. to a man, they all identified this country as the most insane and gestapo-like.

personally, i have decided to cease commercial air travel in the usa. and everyone who can, should. shut the system down, i say.

you know, i traveled in europe during the ira, bader meinhof, brigada rossa years. none of the security measure adopted then were as bizarre and intimidating as what has been adopted since the reign of michael chertoff[a death's head]. a dual passporter, i think. a zionist to be sure. and a criminal.

i refrained from spending my money to buy a share of a netjet. my traveling had dwindled to iah-lga, iah-lax. served well by coair.

but now coair is united. and united's lousy customer service has infiltrated. as gresham once said, bad money drives out the good. united's badness is driving out continental's goodness.

gordon bethune should be screaming about the crime of this merger. i think we all should recognize after 11/09/01 that united has long been a usa intell asset. along with aa.

i am a too old guy. with enough wherewithal to charter and avoid the tsa. i cannot take it with me. using it to make the course of living less nasty i have determined to be the imperative.

i am sure, however, that in the near future, charter passengers will be subjected to the same nonsense. the ustashi will not be stymied.

time to either stop traveling by commercial aircraft. or to just stop traveling. shut the commercial air transport system down.

and do it this summer.

make 'em squeal.

[IslandPilot]

"Bullshit" elreb!

While crossing the US-Canada border on his bicycle, a man was stopped by a TSA guard who pointed to two sacks the man had on his shoulders. "What's in the bags?" asked the guard.

"Bull shit," said the Cyclist.
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I will not say a word - but what is it you were smuggling?"

The Cyclist answered "Bicycles…asshole”!

I liked your "little joke" elreb... but it was "bullshit" (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/bullshit.gif)

It made me smile at first... then I started "thinking" about it... (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/idea.gif)
"what the HEY?"... There ain't noplace I know of, where you can cross the US-Canada border on a bicycle. (I've NEVER SEEN a pedestrian or a cyclist crossing a bridge from Windsor, Sarnia, or Sault Ste Marie... or the Detroit-Windsor Tunnel either. Although, "in theory" it might be possible to cross the Ambassador Bridge in that manner.)

Then I had to HIT MYSELF IN THE HEAD, for being such a dummy, and "thinking" about your ridiculous story... Cause THERE AIN'T NO TSA AGENTS at the US-Canadian BORDER! Duh! (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/wall.gif)
(at least not yet.) That was BS (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/bullshit.gif) I say, and nothing but!
But, you "sucked me in" anyway. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/blush.gif) (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/salute.gif)

[albertchampion]

but here is the real "groping" of you. and i use "groping" in the spirit of assaulting you by government edict....

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/phil-ange...e-everyone-else

[elreb]

"Bullshit" elreb!

Island Pilot,

The real point is that Americans cannot return to America from Canada or Mexico w/o a passport.

[That’s the Bull Shit]

On the other hand, a Canadian & his family who flies from America [including Hawaii] to Canada could be subject to be examined by a US government Proctologist [Greek words Proktos, meaning anus or hind-parts] or Gynecologist [meaning uterus, vagina] just to save lives.

(IMG:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/53/Gynaecology-1822.jpg) I think…I feel something…

[onesliceshort]

Is it just me or would you guys not have told the uniform to "go f*ck yourself, nobody is touching my kid"??? What could they have done? Detained them? So what?

Is there such an atmosphere of "ah well, there's nothing I can do about it" that people are prepared to allow this shit to happen without so much as a peep?

Unreal.

[IslandPilot]

(IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) I think…I feel something...

Island Pilot,

The real point is that Americans cannot return to America from Canada or Mexico w/o a passport.

[That’s the Bull Shit]
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I think…I feel something…

I think... I feel "something"... (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
That was a great picture elreb!

You are 100% CORRECT about the Bull Shit of a "passport" to travel in Canada (or at least to return to the US from Canada?). I've lived near Canada most of my life. Back in the 70s we used to go to Canada on weekends to get drunk with an "underage" buddy and then drive back home... with NO Problems.

I learned to love Canada back in the 80s, when I participated in Lake Huron sailboat races, and "cruised" in the North Channel and Georgian Bay. And I DID HAVE a "problem" ONE TIME with Canadian Customs... now that you've reminded me...

My daughter would have been about NINE YEARS OLD at that time. She was traveling with me as we entered Canada at Sault Ste Marie, to meet our sailboat friends. Since both of her parents were not traveling with her; Canadian Customs separated me from my daughter... I got asked a lot of questions; as they performed a "background check". I have NO IDEA what happened with my daughter... except they asked her if her "MOTHER" knew that she was traveling with me into Canada. I was quite naiive about "child kidnappings" by divorced spouses at that time... and the Canadian Authorities were only "making sure", everything was OK in my case. It was pretty scary for a while... until we were back together again, heading for the boat.

Later on, when I worked for an Air Freight hauler, I went to Canada to fix broken airplanes. As long as we observed "silly rules" everything was fine. "Silly Rules"= Remain INSIDE the aircraft in the "Customs Circle" until the Customs Officer asks you to exit... Remember to put a "COMAT" sticker on replacement parts and tools for the airplane that needed fixing. Coming back into the US at Detroit City Airport; expect a long wait inside the airplane, until the Custom GODS came out to "inspect" your airplane... and remember to "bow" appropriately...

When returning to the US through Port Huron; no problems... ever! I entered with an "Imported Canadian" Airplane... (with proper paperwork)... NO PROBLEM! One time our Company Pilot didn't even have ANY ID... the Customs guy "recognized him" and let us through.

In the 90s I made several non-commercial flights into Canada, with very few "glitches" using their CANPASS system. I just gave them the flight and passenger info beforehand by phone... and when I landed at the CANPASS Airport; if the Customs Agent wasn't present, I just called for a Customs Registration Number by phone... Easy, simple; no X-rays or Strip Searches...

On one occaision, I had a minor child, traveling with his father. The Customs Officer advised me to have "Written Permission" from the other parent when we landed in Canada. I asked how she'd be able to determine if the "Written Permission" was from a Parent or not... and her reply was: "do you want us to meet your airplane when you land? If not, then you'll have a permission slip, right?". When I landed in Canada the next day, I called in and got the same lady... she asked if I had the Permission Slip... and I said "Yes Maam"... and she gave me the "magic" Registration Number... still Easy and Simple...

Another time, I was flying journalists and "The Stanley Cup" from Canada into the US. (Red Wing players get to have the trophy for a day, after their team wins it.) As I made arrangements for the flight, the Customs Guy asked "the declared value" of items coming into the US... I had to laugh... "What is the Stanley Cup worth?"... I asked him... He then asked if it would be OK to have his picture taken with it... and I said OK... and that was NO PROBLEM also...

For the last 15 Years I've been living within 3 or 4 miles of the Canadian Border, in the shadow of "Perry's Victory and International Peace Memorial"; which supposedly "celebrates the peace of 4000 miles of Undefended Border between the United States and Canada". That is, until about 2 years ago, when the USCG and/or HSA started mounting Machine Guns on their vessels... (I believe they had to remove the deck mounted guns, due to complaints. But, I imagine they are still stored below decks.

And as you've already stated...

I think... I feel "something"...

Only this time, I'm NOT LAUGHING! As I write this I HEAR the OBNOXIOUS HSA Helicopter now HOVERING OVERHEAD, and I see it out my window... protecting me from the "Threat" of Canadian Terrorists... Which I can gladly DO WITHOUT!

I think... I feel... my FREEDOM and my RIGHTS have slipped away...and here I sit, without any Vasoline, to "ease the pain".... (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

[BarryWilliamsmb]

The Cyclist answered "Bicycles…asshole"!

Hah! Excellent!

I worked as a building services manager (mop swinger) for our local airport for 119 days in 2006. Even with a red security pass I was checked by the Aeroguard "guards" 5 times daily as I was forced by my job to play their stupid game. During my short association with those professionals I participated in two human rights / labor standards investigations charging the "guards" with abuses toward some of my female staff members.

First the Aeroguard guards lied, then the Aeroguard supervisors lied and finally we got to listen to the Aeroguard site manager lie. They all got caught in the crappola.

I felt way more secure after understanding how these heroes view reality and by day 120 vowed to never pass their way again.

And I shan't.

[tumetuestumefais...]

Tume: I would say your "legal interpretation" is entirely consistent with what I learned about US History, US Government, Our Constitution, and our Legal System from 7th Grade through High School... that would have been from 1959 to 1964. But many things seem to have "changed" since then.

To me from the distance in Europe as I study it, it still looks like the written law and pertinent precedents are in place and active. The US Congress has no power to change the Constitution. Fortunately. What I think looks to me changed is the approach, acceptation, attitude to it, total lack of enforcement face to the military junta which apparently governs the USA since I was still unborn.
Yesterday I was watching the movie War Made Easy and what was there especially disgusting for me was a citation from LBJ speech where he was apparently seriously talking about that they "...fight for selfdetermination, for the right of the Vietnamese to choose their own course, free election, without violence, without terror and without fear..." Yeah, the napalmed and agent oranged children, they surely agree. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) Now they grop the american children and to me it still looks like a result of the complete lack of the law enforcement facing the military junta governing USA. To me it looks being just matter of time until the Americans are killed on American soil by themTM en masse as the OKC or 9/11 was a teaser for. They still prefer to send them to be killed abroad, together with the masses of civilians there. But the inevitable economic decline the imperial politics brings together with the obsoleteness of the infrastructure can soon make it impossible to wage the wars abroad.

The current "crop" of our Legislative, Executive, and Judicial Agency personnel have been very good at "twisting" the "meanings" of the US Constitution... and "revising" our "laws" and "legal system", so it no longer RESEMBLES anything I was taught back in the 1960s.

Our "Declaration of Independence" and "Bill of Rights" today seem to be "nothing" more than "interesting" historical documents. The way that the the "US EMPIRE" acts today; is NO DIFFERENT than the BRITISH EMPIRE acted 225 years ago... which is why Our Forefathers Revolted against it, in the first place.

Sorry, but I think it should be repeated over and over. There still is written in the Declaration of Independence:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
(just a legal note: The Declaration of Independence is the law which constitutes United States as the legal entity. The Constitution of the United States just says what are the constitution-government rules of such entity-union of States. That's why you celebrate the 4th July, not September 17th. If the Declaration of Independence would be abolished it would mean the United States no longer exist in the legal sense and under the law of land it would most probably in legal sense become partly possesion of the United Kingdom, Kingdom of Spain, Russian Federation, Republic of France, Kingdom of Havaii and Republic of Texas and Indians. (If I've forget something I appologize to the pertinent parties) Who knows if it wouldn't be better if the Americans themselves aren't able to enforce even the Declaration and Constitution..)

there is also still written in the 14th amendment sec. 3:
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

to my knowledge it was never abolished.

What if the majority in the US Congress is already uneligible due to the 14th Amendment sec. 3. because they have given aid and comfort to the enemies of the Constitution of the United States? Can they vote themselves back? Nope. They would need two thirds in each House of the ones who still are eligible... The same for the executive and judicial branch... looks like a judicial Convention would be only peaceful mean left to solve the situation - if only also the State legislative bodies weren't corrupted mostly the same way as the federal government.

We are no longer a "Nation of Laws"; in which the Government derives its POWER from the PEOPLE; so if our "Government" doesn't "FEEL" like complying with the LAW.... they WON'T.

It very much looks like the infamous democracy. But not the modern one, the ancient greek one - where a tiny "aristocracy" was voting what they wanted and the rest were slaves. Even the ancient roman empire looks better, they at least weren't so dangerous for the rest of the world not having the nuclear weapons, aircraft carriers and who knows what else...

Back to the topic - I think it would be perfectly legal to bring Pistole, Napolitano, Chertoff & comp. to the Grand Jury to answer in capital process. Better sooner than later.

[albertchampion]

since you, island pilot, are familiar with customs clearing from usa into canada, and back again, can you tell me the name of the instructor who accompanied jfk jr into canada a few days before his final flight?

if you can't, could you tell me how the name of that instructor might be discovered.

thnx

[IslandPilot]

To me from the distance in Europe as I study it, it still looks like the written law and pertinent precedents are in place and active. The US Congress has no power to change the Constitution.
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Tume;
Your last post was very well reasoned, and deserves a good response. Since you (and I) have been discussing "Constitutional" and "Government" issues, not limited only to "TSA Groping" in "Latest News" Forum, I will start a new topic in the "Politics, War and Foreign Policy" Forum to respond to you.

I could have responded to you with a PM; but this way other people may also have a chance to make comments; and also to "correct" any of my mistakes or bad information. OK?

The new thread title will be: Our Declaration of Independence; Constitution; and Bill of Rights

[nitatutt]

This man claims he got more than a pat down ....

Colorado man claims he was 'sexually assaulted' by TSA

http://www.kdvr.com/news/kdvr-colorado-man...,0,686151.story

[Sanders]

it's all a matter of control. People at the top of the pyramid want total control, and this is a stop-gap toward their "vision". Groping little girls .... sheesh.

[GroundPounder]

it's all a matter of control. People at the top of the pyramid want total control, and this is a stop-gap toward their "vision". Groping little girls .... sheesh.

welcome back to amerika...

[elreb]

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