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MikeR
post Apr 7 2014, 10:11 AM
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QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Apr 7 2014, 03:02 PM) *
Where is the evidence to conclude "chemtrails" are being sprayed on a wide-scale/global basis from aircraft?

We discussed this via PM, Harold... and you agreed it would be easy to prove with relatively low funding.

Why have you not started a "Pilots For Chemtrail Truth"?


Here is your evidence to conclude "chemtrails" are being sprayed on a wide-scale/global basis, Rob.

I would refer to a very well-known video shot (the first 30 seconds of which is seen in the opening of this movie.)

A twin engined Boeing 7*7 is seen from the rear. Whitish trails (plural) are seen emanating from various sources along the full span of the wings. Up to 10 trails can be seen. But the giveaway is the FACT that the entire wing-width of spray coughs and splutters in a way which can best be explained by the last few drops from a supply tank hitting empty. Atmospheric condensation cannot possibly cause such an erratic spray pattern. Some unknown dustification or gaseous material is being emitted from an unidentified airplane in global airspace. The mystery material shows no signs whatever of being related to the airplane's propulsion fuel supply.

Why are We the People not told what is really happening?

Why DO we deny what we can all see, smell, and taste...and why are so many chemtrail investigators being murdered?

I have googled for hours: I can find zero information on what this material might be.... and I can find zero evidence WHY it is. Pilots for 9/11 Truth can perfectly intelligently discuss chemtrailia without emulating Mick West's fracked debunkery, Rob. After all, chemtrails have been around a lot longer than 9/11.

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QUOTE (MikeR @ Apr 7 2014, 10:11 AM) *
A twin engined Boeing 7*7 is seen from the rear. Whitish trails (plural) are seen emanating from various sources along the full span of the wings. Up to 10 trails can be seen.


No its not, as far as I can see this is a KC-10 triple engine tanker. Triple engines gives nice wide contrails.

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Atmospheric condensation cannot possibly cause such an erratic spray pattern.


Is that so? Why not?

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Why DO we deny what we can all see, smell, and taste...and why are so many chemtrail investigators being murdered?


Why use three unrelated murders to promote your theory?


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post Apr 7 2014, 04:42 PM
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EVERY DAY, CONTINUOUS FLIGHTS PRODUCING A SKY-FULL OF ARTIFICIAL CLOUDS

I've lived for most of the past 9 years in Mexico in the northern part (100-200 miles south of the US-border) of the state of Sonora. There is NO commercial plane route to anywhere that would have any reason to cross this area; and even if there were, the regional airport in the state capital, Hermosillo, is a tiny airport with very few flights to anywhere. Yet, all day long, all year round, planes fly overhead, trailing trails of something. Sometimes you can see 3 planes simultaneously "trailing". They also seem to shift their flight paths so that, with each pass, they cover a different "stripe" of sky. These trails inevitably become artificial clouds (you can see this unequivocally in a very short period of time). Within hours, the entire sky is covered with artificial clouds.

I make no claim as to what is going on. But there has been ZERO public discussion of this daily super-visible phenomenon. And, for myself, I don't see ANY justification for a decade's worth of so much air traffic, so much daily cloud-ing combined with zero discussion.

Everybody in this region says that things used to be very different. They used to get heavy rainfall during the rainy season with a serious problem of rivers massively overflowing Now we've been experiencing a 15 year drought, where rivers are completely dry, forests are/have died off. Big regions of agriculture production in the past, now no longer produce food crops. (Picture a former food-producing country-side that must now import its veggies, fruit, etc. for hundreds of miles away). Now about the only the only thing that grows is hay for cattle consumption. (Seemingly now THE biggest "industry" in the region is the export of cattle to the US.)

What caused me to focus on this phenomenon that had mostly only been in my subconscious before that, is that I spent a year biking 4-6 hours a day. All the highways are one lane in each direction and traffic is light. You can't help but end up SEEING/NOTICING changes in the sky above and right in front of you.

Looking up and seeing those artificial clouds filling the sky every day is mighty creepy.
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post Apr 7 2014, 07:49 PM
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QUOTE (almerie @ Apr 8 2014, 03:03 AM) *
No its not, as far as I can see this is a KC-10 triple engine tanker. Triple engines gives nice wide contrails.



Is that so? Why not?



Why use three unrelated murders to promote your theory?



Why do you always feel a psychopathetic need
to answer a question with another question
without any attempt to address the issues
with any of your own input almerie?
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post Apr 7 2014, 08:24 PM
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QUOTE (Pablo @ Apr 8 2014, 08:42 AM) *
EVERY DAY, CONTINUOUS FLIGHTS PRODUCING A SKY-FULL OF ARTIFICIAL CLOUDS

What caused me to focus on this phenomenon that had mostly only been in my subconscious before that, is that I spent a year biking 4-6 hours a day. All the highways are one lane in each direction and traffic is light. You can't help but end up SEEING/NOTICING changes in the sky above and right in front of you.

Looking up and seeing those artificial clouds filling the sky every day is mighty creepy.


Gracias Pablo and greetings from New Zealand.... :-)
great to have another Biker-Pilot's astute observations
and to read your intelligent questions arising....

So why do other Pilots (claiming to be for Truth) appear
to ignore every artifical chemtrail their aviator shades take on board,
filling one fracked was-blue sky all the way across
to the military-grey other horizon?

One well-known Pilot of our acquaintance was nearly killed
by heartfailure directly caused by atmospheric nanoparticulates
dumped on him one day when the chemicals from the trollplanes
chemical armada completed a Statewide toxic aerosol dump that
landed more patients in hospital in one 24-hour period than Obamacare
could possibly cope with all that week.

Sorry if you refuse to check a word I say almerie ... but more of us
are becoming supersensitive to the desperate need to look after
our own individual and familial health needs, in the face of
a tyrannical Administration hellbent on feathering its own fascist nest.

By all means feel free to ignore what Pablo also tells us, but if you do,
who can ever help you?

MikeR

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post Apr 7 2014, 08:40 PM
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QUOTE (almerie @ Apr 8 2014, 03:03 AM) *
No its not, as far as I can see this is a KC-10 triple engine tanker. Triple engines gives nice wide contrails.

I think you made a blunder with the number of engines almerie...
Does your particular (presumably undiagnosed) type of myopia
not really mean what you see as a tanker is a Russian TK-!0
being a 10-engined undisguised bomba testing out an ex-SSR-
approved vodka-spraying run for the purpose of keeping the
revolting peasants in check, mate?


Is that so? Why not?

That IS so...out of brotherly concern for a fellow pilot.
I will give you time to think of a real-smart answer your own inane Q, lad.


Why use three unrelated murders to promote your theory?

3 is greater than 2 but are you or are you not
in the slightest bit concerned? .....or are we through?

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post Apr 7 2014, 10:36 PM
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QUOTE (MikeR @ Apr 7 2014, 07:49 PM) *
Why do you always feel a psychopathetic need
to answer a question with another question
without any attempt to address the issues
with any of your own input almerie?


Your post which I replied to were statements, not questions.
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post Apr 8 2014, 12:19 AM
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QUOTE (MikeR @ Apr 7 2014, 07:49 PM) *
No its not, as far as I can see this is a KC-10 triple engine tanker. Triple engines gives nice wide contrails.

I think you made a blunder with the number of engines almerie...
Does your particular (presumably undiagnosed) type of myopia
not really mean what you see as a tanker is a Russian TK-!0
being a 10-engined undisguised bomba testing out an ex-SSR-
approved vodka-spraying run for the purpose of keeping the
revolting peasants in check, mate?

Is that so? Why not?

That IS so...out of brotherly concern for a fellow pilot.
I will give you time to think of a real-smart answer your own inane Q, lad.

Why use three unrelated murders to promote your theory?

3 is greater than 2 but are you or are you not
in the slightest bit concerned? .....or are we through?


Why the Ad Hom attacks again?

You post statements and I question these statements. Why not deal with that?

This is KC-10 tanker:

KC-10 Tanker

You argue that these contrails could not possibly be caused by atmospheric conditions.
I just ask, why not?

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post Apr 8 2014, 12:45 AM
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QUOTE (Pablo @ Apr 7 2014, 04:42 PM) *
EVERY DAY, CONTINUOUS FLIGHTS PRODUCING A SKY-FULL OF ARTIFICIAL CLOUDS

I've lived for most of the past 9 years in Mexico in the northern part (100-200 miles south of the US-border) of the state of Sonora. There is NO commercial plane route to anywhere that would have any reason to cross this area; and even if there were, the regional airport in the state capital, Hermosillo, is a tiny airport with very few flights to anywhere. Yet, all day long, all year round, planes fly overhead, trailing trails of something. Sometimes you can see 3 planes simultaneously "trailing". They also seem to shift their flight paths so that, with each pass, they cover a different "stripe" of sky. These trails inevitably become artificial clouds (you can see this unequivocally in a very short period of time). Within hours, the entire sky is covered with artificial clouds.


Pablo,

Why did you not investigate instead of speculate?

Hermosillo Airport is labeled an international airport with over 50 daily commercial flights inside Mexico and to the United States.
In the year 2013 1.3 mill. passengers passed through this airport.
The airport has recently been widened to handle heavy aircraft like the 777.
In addition there is also military base present.

It can all be found easily here:

Hermosillo Airport

Furthermore, have you ever heard of high altitude Airways?

Below is shown high altitude Airways around Hermosillo airport situated in the middle of the picture.
The airport is actually marked as an intersection named HMO, which is used in flight planning by commercial flights and others.
So there is a very good reason to see many contrails above Hermosillo.






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post Apr 8 2014, 04:08 AM
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QUOTE (almerie @ Apr 8 2014, 04:19 PM) *
Why the Ad Hom attacks again?

You post statements and I question these statements. Why not deal with that?

This is KC-10 tanker:

KC-10 Tanker

You argue that these contrails could not possibly be caused by atmospheric conditions.
I just ask, why not?



So what is the relevance of your questions?
Who CARES what the plane is.... NO airplane
has engines across the entire wingspan...
so when we witness chemtrails coming from
at least 10 orifices from one wingtip to the other,
no further correspondence will be entered into
at any insistence the stuff is condensation.

Trails which cough, splutter, turn on and off
several times a second are caused by an erratic
supply tap ... so why will the smart, businesslike
people of great stature and professional competence
(sarc) not tell us what they are up to with their spraying?
Why the need-to-know-military-grade secrecy?
Why?
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post Apr 8 2014, 04:12 AM
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QUOTE (almerie @ Apr 8 2014, 04:45 PM) *
So there is a very good reason to see many contrails above Hermosillo.


Just because you find a phony photo that shows lotsa Nasca lines,
is no reason why there might be even one single condensation trail
over Hermosillo.

Your wild generalization is pure speculation.

Nothing rong with speculation, but Pablo's account is completely convincing.

Checker grid patterns are NOT credible except in terms of aerosol spraying...
and IF the resulting chemtrails are as harmlessly benign as I presume you'd
have us believe .... why the world-wide secrecy?

Is your sense of smell so fracked you miss the stink of 'rat'
as well as the sight of the elephant filling the whole room?

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post Apr 8 2014, 04:26 AM
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QUOTE (MikeR @ Apr 8 2014, 04:08 AM) *
So what is the relevance of your questions?
Who CARES what the plane is.... NO airplane
has engines across the entire wingspan...
so when we witness chemtrails coming from
at least 10 orifices from one wingtip to the other,
no further correspondence will be entered into
at any insistence the stuff is condensation.

Trails which cough, splutter, turn on and off
several times a second are caused by an erratic
supply tap ... so why will the smart, businesslike
people of great stature and professional competence
(sarc) not tell us what they are up to with their spraying?
Why the need-to-know-military-grade secrecy?
Why?


First, it shows that you did not even care to check what type of aircraft is shown on the video.
It is not irrelevant if an aircraft has two or three engines, when we are talking about the size and shape of contrails.

Second, what is seen here aside from contrails coming from the engine exhaust is simply aerodynamic contrails.
Aerodynamic contrails is a well-known phenomena:

Aerodynamic Contrails


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QUOTE (MikeR @ Apr 8 2014, 04:12 AM) *
Just because you find a phony photo that shows lotsa Nasca lines,
is no reason why there might be even one single condensation trail
over Hermosillo.

Your wild generalization is pure speculation.

Nothing rong with speculation, but Pablo's account is completely convincing.


Pablo said there was no commercial routes above Hermosillo which is factually wrong.

What I have shown on the picture is high altitude Airways around Hermosillo, which is used by commercial routes.
Pablo furthermore said that Hermosillo is a tiny airport with very few flights, which is also factually wrong as i have shown.

If you think the picture is 'phony, then ask any pilot on this forum or anywhere else about the high altitude Airways around Hermosillo.

You can even research it yourself, its not that hard to find.

This is an example of how an official Airways chart can look:



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QUOTE (almerie @ Apr 7 2014, 09:45 PM) *
Pablo,

Why did you not investigate instead of speculate?

Hermosillo Airport is labeled an international airport with over 50 daily commercial flights inside Mexico and to the United States.
In the year 2013 1.3 mill. passengers passed through this airport.
The airport has recently been widened to handle heavy aircraft like the 777.
In addition there is also military base present.

It can all be found easily here:

Hermosillo Airport

Furthermore, have you ever heard of high altitude Airways?

Below is shown high altitude Airways around Hermosillo airport situated in the middle of the picture.
The airport is actually marked as an intersection named HMO, which is used in flight planning by commercial flights and others.
So there is a very good reason to see many contrails above Hermosillo.



MY "BAD" FOR A KEY MIS-UNDERSTANDING

Hey Almerie,
I've just re-read my initial post in this thread and I guess a good deal of the blame for any confusion could be laid at "my door". When I said that Hermosillo is the regional airport I called it regional because it is very far from where I've lived, 150 miles to be close-enough to exact. BUT I DIDN'T MENTION THE DISTANCE. AND I DIDN'T MENTION THE INTERVENING 2 MOUNTAIN RANGES.

So, let's call this mostly my fault.

Having accepted my proper responsibility for the mis-understanding; now let's get back into the details of "MY" local region (OK?).

If one looks at the map you've so kindly provided, if you look eastward (to the right) of Hermosillo, one sees that a total of only two flight-routes head generally eastward. One southeastward, the other northeastward. The northeastward path passes a good deal to the north of our local region and the southeastward path passes a very large distance from our local region ... thus my contention that NO NORMAL COMMERCIAL FLIGHT PATH CROSSES OUR LOCAL REGION.

From the distance of 150 miles, you can not see the air over Hermosillo. With 2 rows of mountains (that you have to drive thru/over) in between, the air there is NOT the air here by any means.

In terms of the possibility of "our" overhead flights being military. First, there are NO military based out our way in the boonies. Second, the planes fly at commercial speeds and seem commercial-sized; not more quickly and smaller-sized as would military planes do.

Specifically about Hermosillo. I have been to that airport literally dozens of times AND have friends who unfortunately for them, either live super-close to it or are under the approach/take-off routes.

Please trust me: the airport itself is tiny for being the only serious commercial airport within 200+ miles in every direction except south (and the one to the south is even tinier and much less traveled - though it IS more of a tourist locale so they probably do get more foreigners, especially Americans, there).

The airport is almost always virtually completely empty. You never see more than one plane in the air and one plane taxy-ing at the same time.

Heck, we don't average one helicopter fly-over a week! You notice them when they do because they are so incredibly infrequent (and lived 40 years in San Diego, California - for 16 of those years, very near the airport and RIGHT UNDER the income flight path. Then the last 3 years 100 yards from the border fence - so there was constant INS helicopter noise.)

Why? The state of Sonora has only about 2 - 2.5 million people spread out over a huge area (it is Mexico's 2nd largest state). The people of Mexico generally, and of Sonora in particular are quite poor - the overwhelming majority don't have near enough money to buy plane tickets probably even one single time in their lives.
The city of Hermosillo has about 1 million people maximum.

You mention "over 50 daily flights" thru Hermosillo. Think about that. 50 = 2 flights AN HOUR ! One single flight every half an hour. AND, if you check out the size of the planes, you'd realize that they are ALL much smaller than the bigger planes you frequently see in the US.
When you're in the airport, waiting for a take-off or arrival; there are NO crowds: standing, sitting, waiting, in check-in lines that I've ever seen or heard about. (I'd bet there are 250 airports in the US that have more traffic than Hermosillo; and with at least a 100+ of those with many times more traffic.)

I've flown a number of times between Mexico City and Hermosillo. The planes are relatively small and almost never more than half-full as it is.
Most flights between Mexican-US border cities and the much more heavily populated central part of the country (where well over half of all the 111 million live pretty crowded within or not far from Mexico City), do not make a stop at Hermosillo - it is too close to the border for that AND too under-populated.

Keep in mind, we live in the desert, and especially in the 15 year-long drought we've been experiencing, with very low moisture levels, resulting "Normally" in very low amounts of cloud cover. Our days tend to start off with clear skies. Then the planes start showing up; AND they keep making passes continuously throughout the entire day. By late in the afternoon, the sky tends to be completely clouded over. And you can perfectly easily see the trails left behind by the planes slowly, gradually but inevitably spread out and turn into clouds.

Given all the above, the continuous flying over our pretty remote region by planes trailing trails of something that always turn into artificial clouds - raises serious questions about this activity.

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HOW MANY PEOPLE PASS THRU HERMOSILLO AIRPORT A YEAR, DAY, HOUR:
If we accept your 1.3 million a year, that equals =
3,600 a day OR
150 people an hour!

If we accept your 50 flights a day, that's
2 flights an hour, with an average of 75 people a flight.

These numbers back up what I just said in my previous post about Hermosillo being a tiny airport with infrequent passenger-ing.
And please remember, ZERO of those 50 flights a day actually passes over our region.

Our region would be a little north of exactly half-way between the two east-ward flight paths your map shows. So they don't come close - we don't see them or hear them ever.

i.e., whatever is flying over us (with their super-visible artificial-cloud-making trails) is NOT commercial.
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I'm attempting to make things as clear as I can here.

There are NO commercial flight paths thru our region; AND NO military ones either.

YET, I am NOT exaggerating when I say that our cloudless skies get (near-)completely clouded over with these artificial clouds pretty much every day.

How many normal planes (commercial and/or military) would it take to accomplish that?

How long do the normal CONtrails of a commercial plane last? Do they turn into hours-long lasting artificial clouds? (I don't know, which is why I'm asking.)

I've never stopped to count the number of planes (much less averaged over a series of days) that pass over our skies. But I hope you will trust me when I say that, now that I ask myself this specific question, we are seeing at least a dozen, perhaps dozenS of passes every day.

If these were commercial, that'd be at least 1/4 to as much as more than half of all 50 Hermosillo daily flights. But again, we're not even near either of their very low-frequency eastward flight paths.

P.S. To be clear about another thing I seemed to have "stepped" right into the middle of.
I don't know either almerie or MikeR. I haven't paid nearly enough attention to either of their "work" here at P4T to have become aware of any possible posting "habits" or general stands of either of you/them here at P4T.

I have (nor wish to have) any position in favor of either or against either, either here in this thread or elsewhere.

If anything, I wish both would cut way back on "personal attacks" and exaggeration-tendencies.

Such are in no way helpful to the discussion/debate and reflect badly (though only in a small way) on us other posters and on the site generally. Why not focus on the main points and chill out with the heat? No?

P.S. reason for edit: I took out the word "a" before the word "dozenS" (because it doesn't belong there grammatically).

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QUOTE (Pablo @ Apr 8 2014, 09:43 AM) *
From the distance of 150 miles, you can not see the air over Hermosillo. With 2 rows of mountains (that you have to drive thru/over) in between, the air there is NOT the air here by any means.


Well, I am not trying to pinpoint your location, but without that I can not provide information about Airways near you.

I was not suggesting that the contrails was solely or primarily created by traffic to Hermosillo airport, but rather by your statement of the airport being tiny.
After all a 777 can land there now, so tiny its not.

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Second, the planes fly at commercial speeds and seem commercial-sized; not more quickly and smaller-sized as would military planes do.


Why would you think that military aircraft would be smaller than civilian commercial?

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You mention "over 50 daily flights" thru Hermosillo. Think about that. 50 = 2 flights AN HOUR ! One single flight every half an hour. AND, if you check out the size of the planes, you'd realize that they are ALL much smaller than the bigger planes you frequently see in the US.
When you're in the airport, waiting for a take-off or arrival; there are NO crowds: standing, sitting, waiting, in check-in lines that I've ever seen or heard about. (I'd bet there are 250 airports in the US that have more traffic than Hermosillo; and with at least a 100+ of those with many times more traffic.)


Hermosillo Airport is certainly not a big airport, but neither is it tiny.
The Airline AeroMexico Connect has it as a focus city.

This is the typical commercial jet ERJ-145 that this Airline use:



Apart from passenger traffic there is also cargo Airlines like DHL, that use Hermosillo.


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QUOTE (Pablo @ Apr 8 2014, 09:52 AM) *
i.e., whatever is flying over us (with their super-visible artificial-cloud-making trails) is NOT commercial.


Please explain how you know this?

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QUOTE (Pablo @ Apr 8 2014, 10:36 AM) *
There are NO commercial flight paths thru our region; AND NO military ones either.


Did you research this or are you guessing?

Just because you live in a desert, it would not stop aircraft from passing above you depending on present airways.

QUOTE
How long do the normal CONtrails of a commercial plane last? Do they turn into hours-long lasting artificial clouds? (I don't know, which is why I'm asking.)


I would say that would depend on the meteorological conditions at the given altitudes.

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Hey almerie,
I'll try to answer your series of questions in your last few posts in this one post, one by one:

1) After all a 777 can land there now, so tiny its not. (You are referring to my calling the Hermosillo airport tiny).
My response: The fact that a 777 can land there now may just indicate that they have long run-ways, no?

Let me put it like this. If you walk from one end of the airport building to the other, at an average pace, this would take less than 10 minutes; perhaps 5 minutes. Of all the airports I've ever been at (probably more than 25); it is BY FAR the smallest with the only exceptions being the truly small local ones used only by small planes mostly for local/regional flights.
Wouldn't you agree that it's the size of the building (rather than the length of the run-ways) by which one should classify the size of an airport? And wouldn't you say that a 5-10 minute walking time is a pretty tiny size for an international airport in North America?

2) QUOTE (Pablo @ Apr 8 2014, 10:36 AM) *

There are NO commercial flight paths thru our region; AND NO military ones either.


You responded: "Did you research this or are you guessing?"

My response. I don't know what your point is here, really. I have watched our local skies for 6 hours straight at a stretch every day for a year. During that time, I saw multiple planes (whether the same plane multiple times or different planes less-times-each, I don't know) flying what seems pretty clearly to be routes systematically covering the sky strip by strip. These planes were far too many in "passes" to be commercial flights (because there are NO commercial routs thru our area). I've observed this same behavior DAILY pretty much every day for the last 8 years.
I didn't watch constantly then; but if you look up for a few seconds once or twice an hour, what do you see? Another plane, then another plane, then ... ALL trailing trails ... followed by the trails expanding into proto-cloud strips ... followed by those strips expanding, and expanding and meeting and finally covering most or all of the sky.
If that doesn't count as research (voluntary as it may be); then how not?

Besides, according to YOU, there are only some 50 Flights in & out of Hermosillo each day TOTAL. And according to the map you provided, only two routes head in our general direction; both of which, extended further eastwards, don't come close to us.
Using the "research" you yourself provided, combined with my "first-hand" research MEANS that if anybody is guessing it is you (from who knows how far away) and not me who lives HERE and experiences and observes this stuff every day (and who has been to Hermosillo dozens of times).

With only some 50 Hermosillo commercial flights a day, and none of them routed thru our area; you are left with either accusing me of lying OR taking my on-the-spot careful observations (made over the greater part of a decade) that this is:
a) way too many flights per day thru here;
b) way too frequently/consecutively.

Makes me wonder what your agenda is to be casting so much doubt from so much distance from the actual scene.

Do you have the basis to be 100% SURE that (from wherever you are) you "KNOW" what these planes are and what they are doing? Who's the one that's not INVESTIGATING; but instead just guessing, guided by CONFIRMATION BIAS??

3) You say, " Just because you live in a desert, it would not stop aircraft from passing above you depending on present airways."
My response: What a useless statement.
You yourself showed us all the map where no flight paths aim thru our area.

4) I had asked, "How long do the normal CONtrails of a commercial plane last? Do they turn into hours-long lasting artificial clouds? (I don't know, which is why I'm asking.)"
To which you resonded: "I would say that would depend on the meteorological conditions at the given altitudes."

My response: Given that I have stated that we live in desert conditions, do you KNOW anything at all about how this would affect the longetivity of CONtrails?
Hopefully, somebody (more) qualified can address this question of how long they'd last in desert conditions.
As a general rule, I don't remember seeing (anywhere I've lived or visited) where CONtrails lasted so long and were so plentiful as to fill the sky full of clouds.

5) I had said, " (Pablo @ Apr 8 2014, 09:52 AM) * i.e., whatever is flying over us (with their super-visible artificial-cloud-making trails) is NOT commercial."
You responded, "Please explain how you know this?"
My response: see my previous discussion of there NOT being enough commercial airline flights available to be able to make so many traverses while so off-course.

6) You said, "Why would you think that military aircraft would be smaller than civilian commercial?"
Maybe because been at/around both civilian and military airports ALOT; and most of the military aircraft I saw were smaller than most of the civilian ones I saw.

7) You said, "Hermosillo Airport is certainly not a big airport, but neither is it tiny.
The Airline AeroMexico Connect has it as a focus city."
My response: Seemingly you are going question every single sentence and phrase of mine. The fact that AeroMexico has H'illo as a focus city indicates exactly zilch about the size of the airport. AeroMexico is a relatively small operation (compared to US carriers for example). Heck, all of the Mexican-national carriers are relatively small. Why? Because most Mexicans can't afford to fly.
Given your 50 flights a day total in and out of Hermosillo, and AeroMexico being one of only, perhaps 5-10 carriers, that allots them about 5-10 (maximum) flights per 24 hours. Big deal.
It would seem that you are trying to impress people with the "righteousness" of your position and the "wrongness" of my observations (I never claimed they were any more than that, did I?); by the tricky use of words, such as "focus". 5-10 flights per day is 5-10 flights per day more than zero; i.e., very few.

8) In response to MikeR, you said,
"Pablo said there was no commercial routes above Hermosillo which is factually wrong.

What I have shown on the picture is high altitude Airways around Hermosillo, which is used by commercial routes.
Pablo furthermore said that Hermosillo is a tiny airport with very few flights, which is also factually wrong as i have shown."

My response: In fact, I did NOT say that there were no commercial routes specifically above Hermosillo. I have acknowledged that I did NOT make it crystal clear that the airspace I was referring to was to where I live which is quite a distance from H'illo; but, regardless, nothing I said allows you to make this claim.
In fact the information you have provided show that few flights do indeed go in and out of H'illo daily (2 an hour ain't much).

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