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Giuliani Confronted, Denies Being Warned Of, WTC collapse

post May 29 2007, 04:00 PM
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Luke Rudowski, Sabrina Rivero and Tom Foti confront Rudy Giuliani about the events of 9-11 as covered by WNBC 4. This is currently running as a clickable front page news story on the WNBC 4 home page. Also being discussed at length on the Alex Jones radio show with interviews of Luke, Sabrina, and Tom. Make sure to leave some comments in the comments section available on the video page. Kudos to Luke, Sabrina, and Tom!


Here is Giuliani talking about being told the WTC was going to collapse:

<embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/0hNmf76GUCw" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"></embed>

Now here's the video of him being confronted and his bs denials:

http://video.wnbc.com/player/?id=112179


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post May 29 2007, 04:21 PM
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They deny, they dissemble, they lie, they don't care. He may very well not even remember what he said or why he said it -- but the fact is he did say it. Just as Bush said on more than one occasion that he saw the first plane hit the towers. We're left trying to figure out what the truth is -- did he or didn't he; if he did, how could he, if he didn't why did he say he did. More and more it is obvious that, since they control the media, they ultimately control perception. So, to them, it doesn't matter -- in fact, it is a 'good' thing if we're left not knowing or in disagreement with one another about what was or was not said or what was or was not meant by what may or may not have been said. They do it all the time. The FDR shows that the plane didn't hit the Pentagon. The physical evidence shows it did. The way the buildings fell prove that explosives were used. Everyone denies that explosives could have been used. Confused? They'd say, "GOOD!" They hope we stay that way.
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post Jun 7 2007, 11:23 AM
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With the arrest of the journalist in New Hampshire, Giuiliani has given the 9/11 Truth movement a gift. We need to keep this issue front and center, both as a way to hilite the repressive atmosphere that has developed in the media, but more importantly, as a way to keep the 9/11 issues visible in the campaign season. They wanted a long campaign - they got it. But by hiliting Rudy's foreknowledge, we advance our issue. The other question should be why Rudy wasn't using his multi-million dollar command center in WTC Bldg 7 that was built at great expense but appeared to only be used as a location for starting a fire. That is almost as good a question because it may lead to the foreknowledge issue.

Does anyone know if the command center was ever used that day? pilotfly.gif
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post Jun 7 2007, 11:10 PM
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OK so Rudy went down to 75 Barkley street, and set up his command post. (where is 75 barkley street ??)

Rudy then said "We were told the WTC was going to collapse" 15 minutes later the WTC collapsed, and they were trapped for 15 minutes.

Can anyone explain this better.

This sounds to me like the guy who sets up a fake breakin to kill his wife and he wounds himself to tell the police he was trying to defend himself and save his wife.
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post Jun 8 2007, 09:26 AM
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I speculate that the EOC in #7 was used that day, but all the public statements were to the effect that it was not. I think those statements were deliberate disinformation.

I speculate that the EOC was used for those portions of the operation that required command detonation. Such as the basement explosions that Willie Rodriguez reported, and most likely the explosions used to bring down the towers.

Once the towers came down, the sequence was begun to destroy 7. That was necessary for many reasons, most likely, especially the destruction of the Enron records that were there, AND to eliminate the evidence that the EOC and any command detonation apparatus would have presented.
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post Jun 8 2007, 06:30 PM
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(After 9:30 a.m.) September 11, 2001: Van Stopped Near Temporary Command Post Shows Plane Crashing into WTC
 
The Command Center of New York’s Office of Emergency Management (OEM), based in WTC Building 7, was evacuated around 9:30 a.m. (see 9:30 a.m. September 11, 2001). Subsequently, OEM staff members request the OEM command bus, which is equipped with radios and computers, to use as a mobile operations center. This is then used to set up a temporary command post, located at one point in front of 70 Barclay Street, with Mayor Rudolph Giuliani, OEM Commissioner John Odermatt, and the police and fire commissioners all present. Giuliani is apparently at this post when forewarned of the WTC collapse (see (Before 9:59 a.m.) September 11, 2001). Alarm is raised when a panel truck is stopped near the temporary command post, with a painting of a plane flying into the World Trade Center on it. Fearing that it might be a truck bomb, the New York Police Department immediately evacuates the surrounding area and calls out the bomb squad. NYPD temporarily detains the truck’s occupants, who turn out to be a group of Middle Easterners who speak no English, and have rented the truck. According to a report by the Mineta Transportation Institute, the vehicle turns out to be an innocent delivery truck. The report does not state who rented the truck to the Middle Easterners, or why it shows a picture of a plane hitting the WTC. [Jenkins and Edwards-Winslow, 9/2003, pp. 20; 9/11 Commission, 5/19/2004]
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(9:50 a.m.-10:10 a.m.) September 11, 2001: Giuliani Goes to Temporary Command Post but Soon Evacuates It
 
After spending about 40 minutes at the disaster scene, on the World Trade Center site, Mayor Rudolph Giuliani relocates to a small office building at 75 Barclay Street, about two blocks from the WTC, hoping to establish a command post there. His usual command center, in WTC 7, was evacuated at around 9:30 a.m. (see 9:30 a.m. September 11, 2001). With him are several colleagues, including Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik and Office of Emergency Management Director Richard Sheirer. [Kerik, 2001, pp. 334; Giuliani, 2002, pp. 10; 9/11 Commission, 5/18/2004 ; 9/11 Commission, 5/19/2004; Barrett and Collins, 2006, pp. 10] While at Barclay Street, Giuliani is able to get in touch with the White House, and speaks to Chris Henick, the deputy political director to President Bush (see 9:58 a.m. September 11, 2001). Immediately afterwards, he receives a phone call from Vice President Cheney, though this is cut off before either one is able to speak. Giuliani also claims he is given advance warning of the South Tower’s collapse while at this command post (see (Before 9:59 a.m.) September 11, 2001). After the South Tower collapses outside, Giuliani and his colleagues all decide to evacuate, going through the basement into a neighboring building, 100 Church Street. They will then leave this and head north, being joined by cameras and press. [Fink and Mathias, 2002, pp. 112; 9/11 Commission, 5/19/2004; Barrett and Collins, 2006, pp. 348]
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75 Barclay Street, according to Google Earth, is North of the complex, at the corner of West Broadway and Barclay St. (opposite the NorthEast corner of the location of 7 WTC, according to Google Earth. Yahoo plots it north of Barclay Street across the interesection from WTC 7. According to the timeline, Rudy never went to the EOC at 7 WTC, instead going to the lobby of the N. tower then into 75 Barclay St. where he was when the first demolition occurred, after which they left and went to seek yet another EOC.

It is interesting to read contemporaneous accounts and interviews. He was on script from the beginning, denouncing the terrorists who had carried out these attacks.


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GIULIANI: This is a vicious, unprovoked, horrible attack on innocent men, women and children. It's one of the most heinous acts, certainly in world history. And as the governor said and I said to the president, we fully and completely support him in any action that he has to take in order to make an example of the people who are responsible for this.


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The account of Richard Zarillo contains the following:

As I was walking towards the Fire command post, I found Steve Mosiello. I said, Steve, where's the boss? I have to give him a message. He said, well, what's the message? I said the buildings are going to collapse; we need to evac everybody out. With a very confused look he said who told you that? I said I was just with John at OEM. OEM says the buildings are going to collapse; we need to get out.

He escorted me over to Chief Ganci. He said, hey, Pete, we got a message that the buildings are going to collapse. His reply was who the f___ told you that? Then Steve brought me in and with Chief Ganci, Commissioner Feehan, Steve, I believe Chief Turi was initially there, I said, listen, I was just at OEM. The message I was given was that the buildings are going to collapse; we need to get our people out. At that moment, this thunderous, rolling roar came down and that's when the building came down, the first tower came down. 2  ( http://9/11Researchwtc7.net/wtc/attack/giuliani.html/ )
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post Jun 8 2007, 10:49 PM
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Gawd, the hypocrisy is staggering.

Fascinating info there Maturin, thanks for putting it here. That a truck would be painted in such a way, if true, just proves even more it was an inside job.

So by official records they left the command center after the airplane strike but before the collapse of the towers. Is there a record of what time they got to the center?
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post Jun 9 2007, 12:06 AM
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I think Paul Thompson's timeline nails it down about as well as anyone can.
Here is the start of the previously quoted account.
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(8:47 a.m.-9:20 a.m.) September 11, 2001: Giuliani Learns of First WTC Crash, Yet Doesn’t Go To Special Emergency Command Center
 
Rudolph Giuliani. [Source: Publicity photo]New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani is promptly informed of the first WTC crash while having breakfast at the Peninsula Hotel on 55th Street. He later claims that he goes outside and, noticing the clear sky, immediately concludes, “It could not have been an accident, that it had to have been an attack. But we weren’t sure whether it was a planned terrorist attack, or maybe some kind of act of individual anger or insanity.” Only after the second plane hits at 9:03 will he be convinced it is terrorism. After leaving the hotel, he quickly proceeds south. In his 2002 book, Leadership, he will claim that he heads for his emergency command center. This $13 million center is located on the 23rd floor of Building 7 of the WTC, and was opened by Giuliani in 1999, specifically for coordinating responses to emergencies, including terrorist attacks (see June 8, 1999). Referring to it, he writes, “As shocking as [the first] crash was, we had actually planned for just such a catastrophe.” At around 9:07 a.m., Giuliani meets Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik at Barclay Street, on the northern border of the WTC complex. [Giuliani, 2002, pp. 3-6; 9/11 Commission, 5/19/2004; Barrett and Collins, 2006, pp. 7] Yet they do not go to the command center. According to Kerik, “The Mayor and I… determined early on that the City’s pre-designated Command and Control Center… was unsafe because of its proximity to the attack.” [9/11 Commission, 5/18/2004 ] Instead, they head to West Street, where the fire department has set up a command post, and arrive there at around 9:20 a.m. However, in his private testimony before the 9/11 Commission in 2004, Giuliani will apparently change his story, claiming he’d never even headed for his command center in the first place. He says, “Even if the Emergency Operations Center had been available, I would not have gone there for an hour or an hour and a half. I would want to spend some time at the actual incident, at operations command posts.” [9/11 Commission, 5/19/2004; Barrett and Collins, 2006, pp. 44-45 and 340-341] Other accounts indicate that the emergency command center is mostly abandoned from the outset, with emergency managers instead heading to the North Tower (see (Soon After 8:46 a.m.-9:35 a.m.) September 11, 2001).
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From the NYTimes Oral History of EMT Richard Zarillo (page 6):

As I was walking towards the Fire command post, I found Steve Mosiello. I said, Steve, where's the boss? I have to give him a message. He said, well, what's the message? I said the buildings are going to collapse; we need to evac everybody out. With a very confused look he said who told you that? I said I was just with John at OEM. OEM says the buildings are going to collapse; we need to get out.

He escorted me over to Chief Ganci. He said, hey, Pete, we got a message that the buildings are going to collapse. His reply was who the f*ck told you that? Then Steve brought me in and with Chief Ganci, Commissioner Feehan, Steve, I believe Chief Turi was initially there, I said, listen, I was just at OEM. The message I was given was that the buildings are going to collapse; we need to get our people out. At that moment, this thunderous, rolling roar came down and that's when the building came down, the first tower came down.


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From the NYTimes Oral History of Fire Marshal Steven Mosiello (pages 9 & 10):

Then at that point within a few minutes, Richie Zarillo came up to me. I'll go back to that. He said that these buildings are in imminent danger of collapse. I went right up to the Chief because I was a few steps away. I said Chief, these buildings are in imminent danger of collapse. And he said to me who would tell you something like that?

And he looked at me and he had that determined -- I have to say probably scared look on his face, who would tell you something like that. I said Richie, come over here and tell the Chief what you just told me. He got the words out of his mouth. I think it was maybe 25, 30 seconds later, maybe, the building came down.

Q. Did Zarillo ever say what he based that opinion on?

I believe the Chief said where did he get that from? He said from OEM. We were trying to determine exactly how he got it. In retrospect, how did he get it? He was walking towards us. Was he coming towards us anyway and he got it over his radio? I think he told me he got it from Perrugia. There was like a relay type of thing, which maybe we should have and didn't have our OEM radios on at the location. There was a lot of havoc going on.


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From the NYTimes Oral History of EMS Division Chief John Perrugia (pages 17 & 18):

At that point I went back into the building. I was in a discussion with Mr. Rotanz and I believe it was a representative from the Department of Buildings, but I'm not sure. Some engineer type person, and several of us were huddled and talking in the lobby and it was brought to my attention, it was believed that the structural damage that was suffered to the towers was quite significant and they were very confident that the building's stability was compromised and the north tower was in danger of a near imminent collapse.

I grabbed EMT Zarillo, I advised him of that information. I told him he was to proceed immediately to the command post where Chief Ganci was located. Told him where it was across the street from number 1 World Trade Center. I told him "You see Chief Ganci and Chief Ganci only. Provide him with the information that the building integrity is severely compromised and they believe the building is in danger of imminent collapse." So he left off in that direction.

Q. They felt that just the one building or both of them?

The information we got at that time was that they felt both buildings were significantly damaged, but they felt that the north tower, which was the first one to be struck, was going to be in imminent danger of collapse. Looking up at it, you could see that, you could see through the smoke or whatever, that there was significant structural damage to the exterior of the building. Very noticeable. Now you know, again, this is not a scene where the thought of both buildings collapsing ever entered into my mind.

I was there in 1993, fourteen minutes after the bomb went off. I operated some 16 hours at the building and with all the post-incident critiques and debriefings with various agencies. We were always told by everyone, the experts, that these buildings could withstand direct hits from airplanes. That's the way they were designed. They went through all this architectural stuff, way beyond the scope of my knowledge.

It was hit by an airplene. That's okay. It was made to be hit by an airplane. I mean I think everyone may have believed that. We were all told years ago it was made to be hit by an airplane.
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post Jun 9 2007, 01:51 PM
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The South tower was the 2nd bldg hit by the Hijacked Jet. Fire fighters climbed the stairs and arrived at the area of impact. I remember reading that these firefighters had radio`s and they informed the ground chief that they were at the area of impact, and there were only two small pockets of fire. I dont recall they said the building was going to collapse.

My best guess is: Those that had the detonator button in thier hand were probably listening to the firefighter say the fires were small and detonated the south tower first. ???
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post Jun 9 2007, 02:00 PM
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Dunnoh if they were listening - it's possible, but I would think they probably had other things on their mind.

That fireman by the way was Battalion Chief Orio Palmer
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post Jun 9 2007, 02:01 PM
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That seems highly likely. Had the fire crew succeeded in extinguishing the blaze, the conspirators would have been stuck with a building wired to go and a plot that would then be in danger of coming apart. I have a hunch that the report from the chief on the scene at the impact zone was what caused them to go ahead with the CD. Other reports had explosions occurring at various times leading up to the collapse, no doubt to weaken the foundations before the main detonation. The second plane hit very spectacularly with the huge fireball, but that huge fireball itself is a clue - the jet fuel mostly burned up outside the building.
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post Jun 9 2007, 02:50 PM
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Very interesting - that makes sense. That might explain why they took the south tower, the second one hit, down first.
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post Jun 9 2007, 04:04 PM
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There were guys in the OEM who were doing the dirty deed. They told their buddies to get out just at the last minute.

And then there is the question of the Directed Energy Weapon and its role if any in the building collapse.

But Rudy himself was not in the OEM that morning.
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