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Pilots For 9/11 Truth Forum _ American 77 _ Email Exchange With Ntsb

Posted by: johndoeX May 23 2007, 07:19 PM

I called the NTSB yesterday regarding a general inquiry into how they produce their animations for investigation. I did not intend to ask any question with regard to Sept 11. It was a general inquiry...

This was their reply...

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Subject: September 11 products
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 15:56:44 -0400
From: "Lopatkiewicz Ted" <LOPATKT@ntsb.gov>  Add to Address Book  Add Mobile Alert 
To: pilotsfortruth@yahoo.com
    Mr. Balsamo:
I understand that you have recently contacted Mr. Doug Brazy of our
staff to inquire about work done following the September 11 terrorist
attacks. As you well know, we supported the Federal Bureau of
Investigation's investigation into those attacks. Our work product was done on their
behalf. Under the Freedom of Information Act, we have released some of
that work product, and it can be found on our website. Because this
work was done to support another agency, we are not commenting on it, and
would refer all inquiries to the FBI. Any future contact with our
agency on this matter should be conducted through established FOIA
procedures. Please do not contact any NTSB employees directly on this matter.
Ted Lopatkiewicz
Director of Public Affairs
NTSB



My reply back to them...

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Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 13:28:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Pilots For Truth" <pilotsfortruth@yahoo.com>  View Contact Details  Add Mobile Alert
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Subject: Re: September 11 products (NTSB)
To: "Lopatkiewicz Ted" <LOPATKT@ntsb.gov>
    Mr Lopatkiewicz,

My request was not an inquiry into the investigation of the Sept 11 attacks (we already hit many brick walls in the past as I'm sure you are aware), rather an inquiry into the work product itself used in any investigation the NTSB produces. Such as a description of the different grids used on the animations that are regularly produced by the NTSB regardless if it were used for Sept 11. If this is something that is bound by red tape and needs an FOIA to get an answer, what has this country become? We have tried time and time again to get answers from the NTSB and the FBI for the products your agency has produced which do not support the govt story. Neither agency is willing to cooperate. Why is that Ted? Your American 77 Animation based on what your agency claims is from the AA77 FDR released through the FOIA does not support the govt story (see our webpage for press release), and now it appears your UA93 Animation does not support the govt story in many areas as well (report will be forthcoming, unless you would like to address the conflicts prior to print?). The american people want answers. Remember, the govt serves the people, not the other way around. Unless that is the ultimate goal.

Rob Balsamo
Co-Founder
pilotsfor911truth.org
CC: members of pilotsfor911truth.org
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/core.html
Several media outlets.

Posted by: bill May 23 2007, 08:05 PM

WEll said Rob

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Posted by: BoneZ May 23 2007, 08:14 PM

Great reply. cheers.gif

Posted by: amazed! May 23 2007, 10:40 PM

Keep the heat on those idjits! B)

Good work Rob.

Posted by: georgie101 May 24 2007, 04:57 AM

Ditto what these guys just said. salute.gif I salute your patience with these people, your responses are always well mannered and to the point.

Posted by: dv8 May 24 2007, 10:02 AM

thumbsup.gif Great response Rob!! I'd be curious to read his reply if he so indeed does. Are you holding your breath for one?

Posted by: johndoeX Jul 11 2007, 07:45 PM

Updates after new developments...


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Pilots For Truth <pilotsfortruth@yahoo.com> wrote: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:18:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: Pilots For Truth <pilotsfortruth@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: September 11 products (NTSB) Reply given to Ted "Stonewall" Lopatkiewicz
To: Pilots For Truth <pilotsfortruth@yahoo.com>
CC:email addresses omitted for privacy

Forward the below to all aviation/airline contacts and unions. I have not heard from "Stonewall" after this formal reply.

Ted, you may want to check our latest news on homepage http://pilotsfor911truth.org  and remember that the govt serves the people. .not the other way around.

I smell a PR nightmare brewing for govt agencies who prefer to drown others in red tape. Ted, you are complicit for the cover up. As Lee Hamilton, the Co-Chair of the 9/11 Commisssion has said, "We were set up to fail.. we didnt have enough time.. we didnt have enough money.. Alot of people have things to hide... over 100 people!"

Ted.. are you one of those 100 people? Its good we have your name and your emails. smile.gif

Rob Balsamo
Co-Founder
pilotsfor911truth.org

cc: many media outlets

Posted by: Cary Jul 11 2007, 08:10 PM

Kickin' ass and takin' names. Go head Rob.

Posted by: georgie101 Jul 12 2007, 04:31 AM

The last paragraph is classic!

Posted by: rob balsamo Nov 14 2007, 05:41 PM

pinned as i have been getting alot of requests for written statements.

Posted by: simba Jun 6 2008, 05:15 AM

One of my former colleague, a retired B767 captain stated in a Dutch discussion forum that the FDR of AA77 never could be in that plane because a ED55 TSO124 rated FDR can handle max 3400G by 6.5ms. He stated that the readable last known IAS was 460 Kts so almost twice the speed and must be destroyed.

I think he’s correct ?

Keep up the good work

Posted by: rob balsamo Jun 6 2008, 06:54 AM

QUOTE (simba @ Jun 6 2008, 05:15 AM) *
....so almost twice the speed and must be destroyed.



Twice the speed of what?

If he is implying 460 knots IAS is "twice the speed" of a 757-200 Vmo, he is wrong. If he is implying 460 KIAS is twice the speed "limitation" that an FDR can record, he is also wrong. Feel free to quote me and invite him here so we can educate him.

Welcome to the forum Simba...

Posted by: simba Jun 6 2008, 07:20 AM

QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jun 6 2008, 12:54 PM) *
Twice the speed of what?

If he is implying 460 knots IAS is "twice the speed" of a 757-200 Vmo, he is wrong. If he is implying 460 KIAS is twice the speed "limitation" that an FDR can record, he is also wrong. Feel free to quote me and invite him here so we can educate him.

Welcome to the forum Simba...


Hi Rob, Why is it wrong to simply state that the given impact crash at 460 kts at the pentagon wall must destroy the FDR. They tested at 270 Kts to 0 within 0,40 meter is given 3400 G load.

Educate me please,

Thx

Posted by: rob balsamo Jun 6 2008, 07:26 AM

You bring up a good point simba... i havent done the math for such a sudden deceleration. However, if such a case as your "767 Capt" friend suggests is true, then UA93 FDR shouldnt have survived as well. Feel free to start a new thread in the research forum with the math based on speed.

The major fact here is that a US Govt agency claims the FDR Data provided through the FOIA is from AA77 (and UA93) and it doesnt support the govt story. If your 767 Capt friend feels it is fraudulent, for whatever reason, why isnt he speaking out? Surely he knows the events on 9/11 are shaping our world today? Does he care? If he does, he would email us. I look forward to speaking with him.

Posted by: simba Jun 6 2008, 07:50 AM

QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jun 6 2008, 01:26 PM) *
You bring up a good point simba... i havent done the math for such a sudden deceleration. However, if such a case as your "767 Capt" friend suggests is true, then UA93 FDR shouldnt have survived as well. Feel free to start a new thread in the research forum with the math based on speed.

The major fact here is that a US Govt agency claims the FDR Data provided through the FOIA is from AA77 (and UA93) and it doesnt support the govt story. If your 767 Capt friend feels it is fraudulent, for whatever reason, why isnt he speaking out? Surely he knows the events on 9/11 are shaping our world today? Does he care? If he does, he would email us. I look forward to speaking with him.


I will ask him but he is highly ranked by the Dutch royal society for his efforts in the past so he is extreme carefully not to become a whistleblower if you know what I mean...

I can assure you that also Dutch PPL, CPL and ATPL pilots are talking a lot about these FDR issue and the fake data from NTSB.

Keep up the good work Rob….

Posted by: rob balsamo Jun 6 2008, 08:19 AM

QUOTE (simba @ Jun 6 2008, 07:50 AM) *
I will ask him but he is highly ranked by the Dutch royal society for his efforts in the past so he is extreme carefully not to become a whistleblower if you know what I mean...


No.. i dont know "what you mean". The reason i dont know what you mean is that many people are putting their http://patriotsquestion911.com/pilots on the line. Tell him to step up, or step off. His words mean nothing to anyone if he isnt willing to step up to the plate. Whats worse, is his words mean nothing to himself. Please be sure to forward my words to him and to quote our latest article "Truth" on our front page.

Sorry folks.. im tired of this sh*t. Pussy footing around due to fear of a "high ranking" turning into a "low rank". Get your sh*t together and tighten ranks!

Posted by: simba Jun 6 2008, 08:36 AM

QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jun 6 2008, 02:19 PM) *
No.. i dont know "what you mean". The reason i dont know what you mean is that many people are putting their http://patriotsquestion911.com/pilots on the line. Tell him to step up, or step off. His words mean nothing to anyone if he isnt willing to step up to the plate. Whats worse, is his words mean nothing to himself. Please be sure to forward my words to him and to quote our latest article "Truth" on our front page.

Sorry folks.. im tired of this sh*t. Pussy footing around due to fear of a "high ranking" turning into a "low rank". Get your sh*t together and tighten ranks!


I understand perfectly your emotional reaction Rob, fighting and crawling against these stupid and dangerous events with false arguments and data, government loyalists who ridiculing the good work in your crusade for answers and truth but these are given facts, sorry, I can't speak for him so nevertheless, it must be his own decision so will ask him...

Don’t let them driving you mad and keep up the good work… cheers.gif from The Netherlands

Posted by: rob balsamo Jun 6 2008, 09:06 AM

Thank you for your understanding simba... not many understand my aggressive behavior at times...

with that said.. i put some numbers together...


http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index.php?s=&showtopic=13278&view=findpost&p=10743542

Regards my friend...

Posted by: simba Jun 6 2008, 10:18 AM

QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jun 6 2008, 03:06 PM) *
Thank you for your understanding simba... not many understand my aggressive behavior at times...

with that said.. i put some numbers together...


http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index.php?s=&showtopic=13278&view=findpost&p=10743542

Regards my friend...


Feel free to copy/paste it to the right discussion groups, I saw I was posting the Math's question in the overall Pentagon group.

I also want to thank the people of the award winning www.Zaplog.nl forums who started the 911 topic and created a trail to the small but important evidence that the FDR data must be fake. salute.gif

Posted by: Alan Miller Jun 7 2008, 01:00 PM

Jeez, Rob,

I don't understand why you're so emotional about exposing the truth about 9/11 and bringing the perpetraitors to justice.

So far, they've only:

Just because you're reviled and ridiculed for pointing out the massive amount of readily available evidence that the official account of 9/11 is a total fraud;
Just because not a single person in America's national print or broadcast news industry will mention any of it;
Just because not a single Senator or Congressman/woman will do anything about it;

And just because you have the courage, integrity, and love of country to try to do something about it, I don't understand why you're so emotional about this, but I am, too.

Best regards,
Alan

Posted by: rob balsamo Jun 7 2008, 01:11 PM

Well said Alan...

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Posted by: 1976 Jul 2 2008, 01:22 AM

QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jun 6 2008, 10:19 PM) *
Sorry folks.. im tired of this sh*t. Pussy footing around due to fear of a "high ranking" turning into a "low rank". Get your sh*t together and tighten ranks!


Why are ppl so fu#king scared... its a job, you're not your job, stop being 'Yes' men/women. What... forget morals and ethics cause this job pays too well, makes me feel important and chicks/guys are more likely to fu#k me cause I have '3' strips on my uniform...
Imagine if no one ever stood up to point out murder/fraud/corruption/genocide etc... I agree with you completely Rob... grow some balls, stand up and be counted.
There are ppl like me who feel helpless cause to most I'm just a "conspiracy theorist" (and it took 9/11 to make me so) I have no expertise or degrees to back up any claims, all I can do is stand behind you guys (me... I'll be standing at the front), the professionals who have enough weight in their arguments to make a difference. If I was 'Chopper Reid' I'd tell ya ta "harden the f*ck up" (sorry... I love that line)

This really could be humanity on the brink, The Revolution Is Now

and Rob... its ok to be Human thumbsup.gif

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