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What Hit The Pentagon? Nothing., Listened to this yesterday

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post May 7 2008, 06:20 PM
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I just found this yesterday thanks to John Lear mentioning April Gallup's name in his video interview. This is the Guns and Butter broadcast with Dave von Kleist. April, an Army officer, tells of her first-hand experience on 911. There was an explosion and she crawled out through the hole onto the Pentagon lawn. Very interesting. Don't think we can discount this witness.

Listen at: http://www.kpfa.org/archives/index.php?arch=25953
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post May 7 2008, 10:53 PM
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April Gallup verifys what we have proven and disproven.

PROVEN


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PROVEN


IMPOSSIBLE


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post May 8 2008, 11:13 AM
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QUOTE (ogrady @ May 5 2008, 09:20 PM) *
I just found this yesterday thanks to John Lear mentioning April Gallup's name in his video interview. This is the Guns and Butter broadcast with Dave von Kleist. April, an Army officer, tells of her first-hand experience on 911. There was an explosion and she crawled out through the hole onto the Pentagon lawn. Very interesting. Don't think we can discount this witness.

Listen at: http://www.kpfa.org/archives/index.php?arch=25953

Hum! Now that's interesting.

Dietrich Snell was one of Gorelicks staffers according to:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1506326/posts

which added to the implicit role of Zelikow throws yet more light through the colander that is the OCT and should be enough to have the 9/11 Commission Report reclassified officially as fiction. But the Ministry of Magic, aka the Department of Smoke and Mirrors or Department of Deception (DoD), would not like that.

The strange handling and death of Lynda Franklin also needs close scrutiny.

What did Linda know, I wonder and who else was sent a message with her shooting?

http://www.vmyths.com/column/1/2002/10/18/

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post May 8 2008, 03:32 PM
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This audio tape is well worth the hour to listen to it. Highly recommended. Thanks for finding this!
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Our DVD has a video interview with her, including photos.

We should have it up on the net eventually.
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post May 8 2008, 11:17 PM
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QUOTE (Mother - Son Survive Together - Alone)
September 11, 2002
My son Elisha Zion Gallop is considered one of the youngest victims in history of a terrorist attack.

He was just two and a half months old on Sept. 11, and I was returning from maternity leave to my job as an administrative specialist with the U.S. Army. I was taking Elisha to register him at the Pentagon’s child care center.

We never made it to the day care center. My son was blown out of his stroller, covered under the debris that had caved in from the ceilings and walls. His injuries were to his head and his body, while his little lungs breathed in the toxins in the air. He was a perfectly healthy little boy, but now Elisha will be under medical observation until he is four or five years old. The doctors will not be able to determine if he suffered any impairment in his neurological development until he reaches this age.

I was injured along with my son—my hip, my head, as well as chronic migraines, backaches and spasms. But Elisha and I survived, and neither of us was severely burned. When I look into my son's eyes, I realize how grateful we both are to be alive. However, the pain of the memory is still fresh.

I was a single mother, working full time, carrying a full college load. I was picked up to work at the Pentagon because I had a top-secret clearance. Now, because of my injuries, I can’t get past a few pages reading a magazine or a book. My comprehension is not the same. I am about to be discharged from the military—from my job—because of my injuries. I will have to find a new path for my life, but what direction? I am working with a vocation rehabilitation specialist.

Because you cannot see my injuries, or those of my son, we are considered okay. We did not die; we were not burned, we fit into a category of victim that gets overlooked. When I apply for assistance, I have to submit the paper work over and over again, I have to call and call. Because I am in the military, it seemed I was just expected to pop back to normal, whatever that is defined as. Because my injuries were not severe, I was told I "should have been able to suck it up and drive on."

Just because there is no category for us, it doesn't mean we are less of victims. Please know, I strongly believe those who lost loved ones and were burned should receive all the support that is available. However, I don't believe or support the way victims are placed in categories. The people who think victims like my son and I don’t deserve to be compensated add to our pain. I am very happy to be alive, and very thankful for the life of my son. I just don't agree with how we have been treated in some instances.

We live with our disabilities every day. I never thought I would spend so much time in a hospital. Our regular visits with our array of counselors, doctors and therapists are a constant reminder of that day, keeping the memory alive.

Did we die? Obviously, no. Are we affected? Traumatically, yes. But I promised myself when I realized what had happened that day, that I would live my life as productive as possible so the deaths would not be in vain. So, I focus on recovery for many reasons. I push on for my son. What a transition! A new path? On this new road, I tell myself that I will ensure that both my son and I will use our lives to bring honor to those who died. I hope for the positive: a new lease on life; the ability to reprioritize; the ability to recover; the ability to heal.

April Gallop was an administrative specialist with the U.S. Army working at the Pentagon at the time of the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,62656,00.html
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Pentagon survivors. April suffered major injuries in the attack on the Pentagon, resulting in partial disability and medical discharge from the Army. Two-month old Elisha suffered head injuries causing hearing loss and developmental delays.
Endorsement of the PentaCon documentary: "Well after I reviewed the footage and carefully looked at the information I think it should be considered as credible for public viewing and also very important for people to look at because it shows that there is obviously some fabrication in the official testimony. And I think that everyone should sit down and take a look at it." http://thepentacon.com/

Interview 7/14/06: Interviewer: Do you have any theory about how a Boeing 757 could have hit such a secure building without any anti-aircraft defenses being activated or any warning alarms sounded?

Gallop: I have thought about this very question numerous times. And then I realized I needed to rephrase the question. The real question is what is the probability or likelihood that no anti-aircraft defense, warning alarms or additional security mechanism functioned on that particular day?

And then we need to think how likely is it then there was a glitch in all the security mechanisms, anti-aircraft defense and warning alarms?

You know, it takes a while to get around that building. And I remember being so disgusted at the frequency of random drill exercises taking place for us to evacuate the building. It seemed as if they always happened when I had to take care of certain things.

Yet on September 11th, the day when our lives were threatened, not one alarm. ...

Interviewer: I know that you have previously been quoted about things like thinking that a bomb had exploded in the Pentagon, and that you did not see any plane debris in the Pentagon. I do not want to misquote you or twist your words. Is there anything you wish to state about these topics?

Gallop: I have been misquoted on numerous occasions. That happens when individuals have ulterior motives. But here is my statement for the record.

I was located at the E ring. From my inside perspective, with no knowledge of what had actually happened on the outside, it did sound like a bomb. And we had to escape the building before the floors, debris etc collapsed on us.

And I don't recall at any time seeing any plane debris. Again, I don't know what plane debris would look like after hitting a building. But I would have recalled unusual looking pieces similar to plane parts.

... I was focusing on getting help and getting out. With that in mind, the images are etched in my mind. When I review the pictures regarding the Boeing, in my opinion, the hole didn't appear to be big enough for the 757. I don't know the scientific theory that was created to justify it being a hole created by a 757. What we need to consider is how did the plane go thru the building with all that heat and not burn us (those on the inside) to a crisp? We need to consider, how did the plane break up so to the point it created a perfectly round hole considering the rate of impact?

I didn't know it was a plane until I was informed at the hospital. If I wasn't informed I would have never believed it. I walked through that place to try to get out before everything collapsed on us . . . surely we should have seen something." http://www.lookingglassnews.org
http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/survivors.html
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post May 8 2008, 11:22 PM
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QUOTE (Omega892R09 @ May 9 2008, 03:13 AM) *
The strange handling and death of Lynda Franklin also needs close scrutiny.

What did Linda know, I wonder and who else was sent a message with her shooting?

This is from the occasionally useful Wikipedia

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On October 14, at 9:15 pm, 47-year-old Linda Franklin, an FBI intelligence analyst who was a resident of Arlington County, Virginia, was shot dead after she finished shopping at a Home Depot in Fairfax County, Virginia, just outside Falls Church. The police received what seemed to be a very good lead after the October 14 shooting, but it was later determined that the witness was inside the Home Depot at the time and was lying. The witness was subsequently arrested for interfering with the investigation.


I am wondering whether the witness saw something they shouldn't have seen .....
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post May 8 2008, 11:33 PM
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Linda Franklin was allegedly one of the victims of the Beltway Snipers on October 14 2002.

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October 14: FBI analyst Linda Franklin killed near Falls Church, Virginia
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A BYTE OUT OF HISTORY
The Beltway Snipers, Part 1
10/22/07

This blue 1990 Chevy Caprice was used as a rolling sniper's nest.

Five years ago this week—at 3:19 in the morning on October 24, 2002, to be exact—we closed in on the snipers who’d been terrorizing the Washington, D.C., area over the course of 23 long days.

During the month, 10 people had been randomly gunned down and three critically injured while going about their everyday lives—mowing the lawn, pumping gas, shopping, reading a book. Among the victims was one of our own—FBI intelligence analyst Linda Franklin, who was felled by a single bullet while leaving a home improvement store in Virginia with her husband.

The massive investigation into the sniper attacks was led by the Montgomery County (Maryland) Police Department, headed by Chief Charles Moose, with the FBI and many other law enforcement agencies playing a supporting role. Chief Moose had specifically requested our help through a federal law on serial killings.

That morning, the hunt for the snipers quickly came to an end, when a team of Maryland State Police, Montgomery County SWAT officers, and agents from our Hostage Rescue Team arrested the sleeping John Allen Muhammad and Lee Boyd Malvo without a struggle.
http://www.fbi.gov/page2/oct07/snipers102207.html
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post May 8 2008, 11:41 PM
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Following the threads of the radio prog and Barbara Honegger's "The Pentagon Attack Papers" at http://physics911.net/pdf/honegger.pdf.

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I interviewed the famous “lone taxi driver” whose cab is the only car visible still parked on I-395 above the Pentagon lawn looking down at the west face after the other cars have left the freeway. This taxi can be seen in overhead photos taken on the morning of 9/11 and viewable on the Internet. The driver said his was the last car allowed onto that section of I-395 before police put up a barricade and that he decided not to immediately leave the scene like the others “because I realized this was history and I wanted to see for myself.” He stated that he saw no evidence of a plane having impacted the building nor any visible plane pieces on the lawn at the time he arrived, which was after the first violent event in the building, as black smoke was streaming up and to the right from inside-the-building fires. The taxi cab driver drew a diagram of what he saw that morning while overlooking the Pentagon’s west face from I-395.

Does this make any sense at all to anyone?
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QUOTE (KP50 @ May 8 2008, 11:41 PM) *
Following the threads of the radio prog and Barbara Honegger's "The Pentagon Attack Papers" at http://physics911.net/pdf/honegger.pdf.
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I interviewed the famous “lone taxi driver” whose cab is the only car visible still parked on I-395 above the Pentagon lawn looking down at the west face after the other cars have left the freeway. This taxi can be seen in overhead photos taken on the morning of 9/11 and viewable on the Internet. The driver said his was the last car allowed onto that section of I-395 before police put up a barricade and that he decided not to immediately leave the scene like the others “because I realized this was history and I wanted to see for myself.” He stated that he saw no evidence of a plane having impacted the building nor any visible plane pieces on the lawn at the time he arrived, which was after the first violent event in the building, as black smoke was streaming up and to the right from inside-the-building fires. The taxi cab driver drew a diagram of what he saw that morning while overlooking the Pentagon’s west face from I-395.

Does this make any sense at all to anyone?

She apparently is referring to Lloyd England and mis-identified Hwy 27 as I-395.
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QUOTE (SPreston @ May 9 2008, 03:52 PM) *
She apparently is referring to Lloyd England and mis-identified Hwy 27 as I-395.


Yes that's what I thought - so what happened to the small matter of the lightpole through the window?
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QUOTE (KP50 @ May 9 2008, 03:22 PM) *
I am wondering whether the witness saw something they shouldn't have seen .....

Just to square the circle .... taken from http://www.jfkmontreal.com/sniper.htm

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CNN, Friday, October 18, 2002 Posted: 6:38 PM EDT (2238 GMT)

http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/South/10/18/sni...ings/index.html

Matthew M. Dowdy, seen here in his mug shot, is charged with making a false statement to police.

ROCKVILLE, Maryland (CNN) -- The person who claimed to have seen a man with a gun just before the latest Washington area sniper shooting has been arrested and charged with giving false information, authorities said.

The would-be witness was identified as Matthew M. Dowdy, 37, of Falls Church, Virginia, according to Fairfax County Police Officer Sophia Grinnan. He is an ex-convict and goes by the nickname "Slim," she said.

Dowdy originally was thought to be a key witness in the shooting of 47-year-old Linda Franklin outside the Home Depot store in Falls Church Monday.

He's been charged with one count of knowingly and willfully making a false statement to an officer who was in the course of investigating a crime by another, a Class 2 misdemeanor, Grinnan said.

Dowdy is in police custody and faces up to six months in prison if he's convicted on that charge.

Montgomery County, Maryland, Executive Doug Duncan -- whose county police department is spearheading the multi-jurisdictional sniper task force because the killings began there -- said he was pleased with the arrest.

"This is a serious matter, lives are at stake. We cannot have people misleading police and wasting our time," he said.

Nine people have been killed and two others wounded since October 2 in Maryland, Virginia and the District of Columbia.

After Monday's shooting, Dowdy told police he saw the gunman shoulder a weapon just before the shooting and then saw the shooter flee in a cream-colored van with the left taillight burned out.

That description was broadcast to law enforcement across the region and led to the shutdown of most major thoroughfares around the nation's capital as authorities searched for the van. After questioning Dowdy further, they determined the van did not exist.

Authorities in the past two days were optimistic that Dowdy's information would help crack the case because there have been few witnesses to the previous sniper shootings.

With Monday's key witness discredited, authorities said the following details reported on the Home Depot shooting are no longer valid:

  • That the sniper was only 30 yards away when the shot was fired
  • That the sniper is a male with olive skin color
  • That a cream-colored van was used in the escape
  • That the sniper used an AK-74 rifle, stepped out of a van, put the gun to his shoulder and then fired
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QUOTE (KP50 @ May 7 2008, 02:41 AM) *
Following the threads of the radio prog and Barbara Honegger's "The Pentagon Attack Papers" at http://physics911.net/pdf/honegger.pdf.

I noticed another mistake in this paper, but it is only one of detail on the penultimate page, the last page of narrative:

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Another key suspect is Air Force General William Hayden, now Director of the CIA and then head of the National Security Agency (NSA), which tapped the calls of lead hijacker Mohamed Atta and 9/11 “mastermind” Khalid Sheikh Mohammed the day before 9/11, and surely on many other occasions before 9/11 as well—all almost certainly without FISA warrants as required by law. These pre-9/11 warrant-less NSA taps put the lie to President Bush’s claim that he initiated the program of warrant-less NSA taps of al Qaeda suspects because of—and thus only after—9/11.

That should read General Michael G Hayden I think, yes the one of my sig', he sure as hell should be put alongside the likes of Cheney, Rumsfeld, Zelikow and Rice in prison, separate prisons preferably with no interchange between attorneys, awaiting a full and proper enquiry. Look how the Gallops have suffered, as examples of the wider suffering that these jerks have caused.

Where was M G Hayden and what he was doing at the time of the Liberty incident? I wonder. Has he ever been in the firing line himself? After all he has enough medal ribbons on his chest.
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QUOTE (KP50 @ May 9 2008, 12:05 AM) *
Yes that's what I thought - so what happened to the small matter of the lightpole through the window?

Perhaps Mr Lloyd England was in control of his own mind on that day and did not tell Barbara Honegger about any traumatic events which were not recorded in multiple places in his brain. We all know there was never a lightpole through a taxi windshield. Perhaps there are times when Lloyd also remembers it so.

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Dave McGowan is writing a book (or has written) about serial killers and conspiracies. When I read about Lynda Franklin, I immediately thought of him. Do they kill 10 or so innocent people to disguise an asassination?
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QUOTE (heliweli @ May 7 2008, 09:20 PM) *
Dave McGowan is writing a book (or has written) about serial killers and conspiracies. When I read about Lynda Franklin, I immediately thought of him. Do they kill 10 or so innocent people to disguise an asassination?


a time-honored way to disguise an assasination is to hide it in a seemingly unrelated tragedy...a crash of a commercial jet... a serial killer with other victims..... a freak carjacking gone wrong... sinking of a ship...

thus the death of the intended mark seems to be an anomaly, a freak occurrence, a coincidence...
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QUOTE (heliweli @ May 9 2008, 04:20 PM) *
Dave McGowan is writing a book (or has written) about serial killers and conspiracies. When I read about Lynda Franklin, I immediately thought of him. Do they kill 10 or so innocent people to disguise an asassination?


That excellent book is Programmed to Kill: The Politics of Serial Murder, by Dave McGowan. It avoids the JFK/RFK thing because they have been "done to death" elsewhere. It is a very dark book though- something to keep in mind.

It has a pretty thorough section on Henry Lee Lucas and the Matamoros "death cult" near Brownsville, TX. Interestingly, Mr. Lucas was the only person ever pardoned by Dubya while governor of TX. Hmmm...

EDIT: make that "commuted" or spared from death row, not "pardoned" above. Still hmmm....

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I've been thinking. I saw a website (unfortunately, can't remember the name or location at the moment - I'll have to search) which showed how the holes created in the Pentagon's rings were identical to charges used by the military to make holes in buildings through which they could launch attacks. (I'll get back on this when I find it.)

I now really believe that nothing hit the Pentagon. There was an explosion/bomb. This makes Norman Minetta's testimony ("the plane is 10 miles out, do the orders still stand....."blah, blah) a blatant piece of disinfo. No wonder he looked so nervous. Also, the much viewed 5 frames of video, meant to suggest (no doubt) a missile, and the many 'accidental' missile mistakes (most notably, Rumsfeld's) that we viewed in the press. More disinfo to distract us.

If April is correct, the frame of an object entering the field of vision must have been a CGI. What do you think?
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Found this explanation of shaped cutting charges here at Rense http://www.rense.com/general70/hole.htm

This is essentially the same information as the website I referred to in the above post. Do shaped charges sound familiar to anyone?
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