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About Passengers...? Didnt Hit Pentagon?, Then where are they?!?

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post Jan 23 2009, 11:14 AM
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Since the sources on "passenger lists" seem to be very scarce now, let's fair use mirror this information here for posterity.

http://www.geocities.com/mknemesis/passengers.html
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Crew & Passenger Lists, Attack Aircraft 11 Sept 2001
None Include Any Arab or Hijacker Names - Joe Vialls
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AMERICAN AIRLINES FLIGHT 11

American Airlines Flight 11, from Boston, Massachusetts, to Los Angeles, California, crashed into the north tower of the World Trade Center with 86 people on board, none of whom were alleged hijackers or Arabs

CREW

John Ogonowski, 52, of Dracut, Massachusetts, was the pilot of Flight 11. A lifelong aviation buff, he joined the Air Force after graduating from college and flew planes at the close of the Vietnam War. He joined American Airlines in 1979.
First Officer Thomas McGuinness, 42, of Portsmouth, New Hampshire, was Flight 11's co-pilot.
Barbara Arestegui, 38, was a flight attendant from Marstons Mills, Massachusetts.
Jeffrey Collman was a flight attendant.
Sara Low, 28, was a flight attendant from Batesville, Arkansas.
Karen Martin was a flight attendant.
Kathleen Nicosia was a flight attendant.
Betty Ong, 45, was a flight attendant from Andover, Massachusetts.
Jean Roger, 24, was a flight attendant from Longmeadow, Massachusetts.
Dianne Snyder, 42, was a flight attendant from Westport, Massachusetts.
Madeline Sweeney, 35, was a flight attendant from Acton, Massachusetts.


PASSENGERS

Anna Williams Allison, 48, of Stoneham, Massachusetts, was the founder of A2 Software Solutions. ,
David Angell, 54, of Pasadena, California, was the creator and executive producer of the hit NBC sitcom "Frasier."
Lynn Angell, 45, of Pasadena, California, was the wife of "Frasier" creator and executive producer David Angell.
Seima Aoyama
Myra Aronson, 52, of Charlestown, Massachusetts, was a press and analyst relations manager for Compuware Corp.
Christine Barbuto, 32, of Brookline, Massachusetts, was a buyer for TJX Cos.
Berry Berenson, 53, of Los Angeles, California, was an actress and photographer.
Carolyn Beug, 48, of Los Angeles, California.
Carol Bouchard, 43, of Warwick, Rhode Island, was a Kent County Hospital emergency room secretary.
Robin Caplin was from Natick, Massachusetts.
Neilie Casey, 32, of Wellesley, Massachusetts, was a merchandise planning manager for TJX Cos.,
Jeffrey Coombs, 42, of Abington, Massachusetts, was a security analyst for Compaq Computer. H
Tara Creamer, 30, of Worcester, Massachusetts, was a merchandise planning manager for TJX Cos.
Thelma Cuccinello, 71, was a Wilmot, New Hampshire, resident with 10 grandchildren.
Patrick Currivan
Andrew Curry Green was from Chelmsford, Massachusetts.
Brian Dale, 43, of Warren, New Jersey, was an accountant and attorney with Blue Capital Management.
David DiMeglio was from Wakefield, Massachusetts.
Donald Ditullio, 49, was from Peabody, Massachusetts.
Albert Dominguez, 66, was a baggage handler for Qantas Airways in Sydney, Australia.
Alex Filipov, 70, was an electrical engineer from Concord, Massachusetts.
Carol Flyzik, 40, was from Plaistow, New Hampshire.
Paul Friedman, 45, from Belmont, Massachusetts, was a consultant for Emergence Consulting.
Karleton D.B. Fyfe, 31, of Brookline, Massachusetts, was a senior investment analyst for John Hancock.
Peter Gay, 54, of Tewksbury, Massachusetts, was a Raytheon Co. vice president of operations for electronic systems based in Andover, Massachusetts. He had worked for Raytheon for more than 28 years.
Linda George, 27, of Westboro, Massachusetts, was a buyer for TJX Cos.
Edmund Glazer, 41, of Los Angeles, California, was the chief financial officer of MRV Communications.
Lisa Fenn Gordenstein, 41, of Needham, Massachusetts, was an assistant vice president, for TJX Cos.
Paige Farley Hackel, 46, was a spiritual adviser from Newton, Massachusetts.
Peter Hashem, 40, was an engineer from Tewksbury, Massachusetts.
Robert Hayes, 37, from Amesbury, Massachusetts was a sales engineer with Netstal.
Ted Hennessy, 35, was a consultant for Emergence Consulting in Belmont, Massachusetts.
John Hofer
Cora Holland, 52, of Sudbury, Massachusetts, was with Sudbury Food Pantry.
Nicholas Humber, 60, of Newton, Massachusetts, was the owner of Brae Burn Management.
John Jenkins
Charles Jones, 48, was a computer programmer from Bedford, Massachusetts.
Robin Kaplan, 33, of Westboro, Massachusetts, was a senior store equipment specialist for TJX Cos.
Barbara Keating, 72, was from Palm Springs, California.
David Kovalcin, 42, of Hudson, New Hampshire, was a Raytheon Co. senior mechanical engineer.
Judy Larocque, 50, of Framingham, Massachusetts, was the founder and CEO of Market Perspectives.
Jude Larson, 31, was from Los Angeles, California.
Natalie Larson was from Los Angeles, California.
N. Janis Lasden, 46, of General Electric was from Peabody, Massachusetts.
Daniel John Lee, 34, was from Los Angeles, California.
Daniel C. Lewin, 31, was the co-founder and chief technology officer at Akamai Technologies Inc.
Susan MacKay, 44, of Westford, Massachusetts, was an employee of TJX Cos.
Chris Mello, 25, was a financial analyst with Alta Communications from Boston.
Jeff Mladenik, 43, of Hinsdale, Illinois, was the interim president at E-Logic.
Antonio Montoya
Carlos Montoya
Laura Lee Morabito, 34, was the Qantas Airways area sales manager in Boston. She lived in Framingham, Mass.
Mildred Naiman was from Andover, Massachusetts.
Laurie Neira
Renee Newell, 37, of Cranston, Rhode Island, was a customer service agent with American Airlines.
Jacqueline Norton, 60, was a retiree from Lubec, Maine. She was traveling with her husband, Robert Norton.
Robert Norton, 82, was a retiree from Lubec, Maine. He was traveling with his wife, Jacqueline Norton.
Jane Orth, 49, of Haverhill, Massachusetts, was retired from Lucent Technology.
Thomas Pecorelli, 31, of Los Angeles, California, was a cameraman for Fox Sports and E! Entertainment Television.
Sonia Morales Puopolo, 58, of Dover, Massachusetts, was a retired ballet dancer.
David Retik was from Needham, Massachusetts. He was a general partner of Alta Communications.
Philip Rosenzweig of Acton, Massachusetts, was an executive with Sun Microsystems.
Richard Ross, 58, of Newton, Massachusetts, headed his own management consulting company, the Ross Group.
Jessica Sachs, 22, of Billerica, Massachusetts was an accountant with PricewaterhouseCoopers.
Rahma Salie, 28, was from Boston.
Heather Smith, 30, of Beacon Capital Partners was from Boston.
Douglas Stone, 54, was from Dover, New Hampshire.
Xavier Suarez
Michael Theodoridis, 32, was a consultant from Boston.
James Trentini, 65, was a retired teacher and assistant principal from Everett, Massachusetts.
Mary Trentini, 67, was a retired secretary from Everett, Massachusetts.
Mary Wahlstrom, 75, of Kaysville, Utah, was traveling with her daughter, Carolyn Beug.
Kenneth Waldie, 46, of Methuen, Massachusetts, was a Raytheon Co. senior quality control engineer.
John Wenckus, 46, was a tax consultant from Torrance, California.
Candace Lee Williams, 20, was a student from Danbury, Connecticut.
Christopher Zarba, 47, of Hopkinton, Massachusetts, was a software engineer at Concord Communications.

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AMERICAN AIRLINES FLIGHT 77

American Airlines Flight 77, from Washington to Los Angeles, crashed into the Pentagon with 56 people aboard, none of whom were alleged hijackers or Arabs.

CREW

Charles Burlingame of Herndon, Virginia, was the plane's captain. He had more than 20 years of experience flying with American Airlines and was a former U.S. Navy pilot.
David Charlebois, who lived in Washington's Dupont Circle neighborhood, was the first officer on the flight.
Michele Heidenberger of Chevy Chase, Maryland, was a flight attendant for 30 years. S
Flight attendant Jennifer Lewis, 38, of Culpeper, Virginia, was the wife of flight attendant Kenneth Lewis.
Flight attendant Kenneth Lewis, 49, of Culpeper, Virginia, was the husband of flight attendant Jennifer Lewis.
Renee May, 39, of Baltimore, Maryland, was a flight attendant.


PASSENGERS

Paul Ambrose, 32, of Washington, was a physician who worked with the U.S. Department of Health.
Yeneneh Betru, 35, was from Burbank, California.
M.J. Booth
Bernard Brown, 11, was a student at Leckie Elementary School in Washington.
Suzanne Calley, 42, of San Martin, California, was an employee of Cisco Systems Inc.
William Caswell
Sarah Clark, 65, of Columbia, Maryland, was a sixth-grade teacher at Backus Middle School in Washington.
Asia Cottom, 11, was a student at Backus Middle School in Washington.
James Debeuneure, 58, of Maryland, was a fifth-grade teacher at Ketcham Elementary School in Washington.
Rodney Dickens, 11, was a student at Leckie Elementary School in Washington.
Eddie Dillard
Charles Droz
Barbara Edwards, 58, of Las Vegas, Nevada, was a teacher at Palo Verde High School in Las Vegas.
Charles S. Falkenberg, 45, of University Park, Maryland, was the director of research at ECOlogic Corp.
Zoe Falkenberg, 8, of University Park, Maryland, was the daughter of Charles Falkenberg and Leslie Whittingham.
Dana Falkenberg, 3, of University Park, Maryland, was the daughter of Charles Falkenberg and Leslie Whittingham.
Joe Ferguson was the director of the National Geographic Society's geography education outreach program in Washington.
Wilson "Bud" Flagg of Millwood, Virginia, was a retired Navy admiral and retired American Airlines pilot.
Dee Flagg
Richard Gabriel
Ian Gray, 55, of Washington was the president of a health-care consulting firm.
Stanley Hall, 68, was from Rancho Palos Verdes, California.
Bryan Jack, 48, of Alexandria, Virginia, was a senior executive at the Defense Department.
Steven D. "Jake" Jacoby, 43, of Alexandria, Virginia, was the chief operating officer of Metrocall Inc.
Ann Judge, 49, of Virginia was the travel office manager for the National Geographic Society.
Yvonne Kennedy
Norma Khan, 45, from Reston, Virginia was a nonprofit organization manager.
Karen A. Kincaid, 40, was a lawyer with the Washington firm of Wiley Rein & Fielding.
Norma Langsteuerle
Dong Lee
Dora Menchaca, 45, of Santa Monica, California, worked for a biotech firm.
Christopher Newton, 38, of Anaheim, California, was president and chief executive officer of Work-Life Benefits.
Barbara Olson, 45, was a conservative commentator who often appeared on CNN.
Ruben Ornedo, 39, of Los Angeles, California, was a Boeing propulsion engineer.
Robert Penniger, 63, of Poway, California, was an electrical engineer with BAE Systems.
Lisa Raines, 42, was senior vice president for government relations at the Washington office of Genzyme.
Todd Reuben, 40, of Potomac, Maryland, was a tax and business lawyer.
John Sammartino
Diane Simmons
George Simmons
Mari-Rae Sopper of Santa Barbara, California, was a women's gymnastics coach at the University of California.
Bob Speisman, 47, was from Irvington, New York.
Hilda Taylor was a sixth-grade teacher at Leckie Elementary School in Washington.
Leonard Taylor was from Reston, Virginia.
Leslie A. Whittington, 45, was from University Park, Maryland.
John Yamnicky, 71, was from Waldorf, Maryland.
Vicki Yancey
Shuyin Yang
Yuguag Zheng

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UNITED AIRLINES FLIGHT 175

United Airlines Flight 175, from Boston, Massachusetts, to Los Angeles, California, was the second hijacked plane to strike the World Trade Center South Tower) with 56 people on board. No alleged hikackers or anyone of Arab name or obvious descent.

CREW

Capt. Victor Saracini, 51, of Lower Makefield Township, Pennsylvania, was a Navy veteran.
Michael Horrocks was first officer.
Robert J. Fangman was a flight attendant.
Amy N. Jarret, 28, of North Smithfield, Rhode Island, was a flight attendant.
Amy R. King was a flight attendant.
Kathryn L. Laborie was a flight attendant.
Alfred G. Marchand of Alamogordo, New Mexico, was a flight attendant.
Michael C. Tarrou was a flight attendant.
Alicia N. Titus was a flight atteandant.

PASSENGERS

Alona Avraham, 30, was from Ashdot, Israel.
Garnet "Ace" Bailey, 53, of Lynnfield, Massachusetts, was director of pro scouting for the Los Angeles Kings hockey team. Mark Bavis, 31, of West Newton, Massachusetts.
Graham Berkeley, 37, of Xerox Corp. was from Wellesley, Massachusetts.
Touri Bolourchi, 69, was from Beverly Hills, California.
Klaus Bothe, 31, of Germany was on a business trip with BCT Technology AG's chief executive officer.
Daniel Brandhorst, of Los Angeles, California, was a lawyer for PriceWaterhouse.
David Brandhorst, 3, was from Los Angeles.
John Cahill was from Wellesley, Massachusetts.
Christoffer Carstanjen, 33, of Turner Falls, Massachusetts, was staff assistant in the office of information technology at the University of Massachusetts-Amherst.
John Corcoran "Jay" Corcoran, 44, of Norwell, Massachusetts, was a merchant marine.
Dorothy Dearaujo, 82, was from Long Beach, California.
Gloria Debarrera
Lisa Frost, 22, of Rancho Santa Margarita, California, graduated from Boston University this year.
Ronald Gamboa, 33, of Los Angeles, California, was a Gap store manager.
Lynn Goodchild, 25, was from Attleboro, Massachusetts.
The Rev. Francis E. Grogan, 76, of Easton, Massachusetts, was a priest at Holy Cross Church in Easton.
Carl Hammond, 37, was from Boston, Massachusetts.
Peter Hanson, 32, of Groton, Massachusetts, was a software salesman.
Susan Hanson, 35, of Groton, Massachusetts, was a student.
Christine Hanson, 3, was from Groton, Massachusetts.
Gerald Hardacre
Eric Hartono
James E. Hayden, 47, of Westford, Massachusetts, was the chief financial officer of Netegrity Inc.
Herbert Homer,48, of Milford, Massachusetts, worked for Raytheon Co.
Robert Jalbert, 61, of Swampscott, Massachusetts, was a salesman.
Ralph Kershaw, 52, of Manchester-by-the-Sea, Massachusetts, was a marine surveyor.
Heinrich Kimmig, 43, chairman and chief executive officer of BCT Technology Ag, of Germany.
Brian Kinney, 29, of Lowell, Massachusetts, was an auditor for PriceWaterhouse Cooper.
Robert LeBlanc, 70, of Lee, New Hampshire, was a professor emeritus of geography at the University of New Hampshire.
Maclovio "Joe" Lopez Jr., 41, was from Norwalk, California.
Marianne MacFarlane
Louis Neil Mariani, 59, was from Derry, New Hampshire.
Juliana Valentine McCourt, 4, was from New London, Connecticut.
Ruth McCourt, 24, was from Westford, Massachusetts.
Wolfgang Menzel, 60, of Germany joined BCT Technology AG in 2000 as director of human resources. He is survived by his wife and one child. Menzel had planned to retire in six months.
Shawn Nassaney, 25, was from Pawtucket, Rhode Island.
Patrick Quigley, 40, of Wellesley, Massachusetts, was a partner at PriceWaterhouse Cooper.
Frederick Rimmele was a physician from Marblehead, Massachusetts.
James M. Roux, 42, was from Portland, Maine.
Jesus Sanchez, 45, was an off-duty flight attendant from Hudson, Massachusetts.
Kathleen Shearer was from Dover, New Hampshire.
Robert Shearer was from Dover, New Hampshire.
Jane Simpkin, 35, was from Wayland, Massachusetts.
Brian D. Sweeney, 38, was from Barnstable, Massachusetts.
Timothy Ward, 38, of San Diego, California, worked at the Carlsbad, California-based Rubio's Restaurants Inc.
William Weems of Marblehead, Massachusetts, was a commercial producer.

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UNITED AIRLINES FLIGHT 93

United Airlines Flight 93, from Newark, New Jersey, to San Francisco, California, crashed in rural southwest Pennsylvania, with 45 people on board, none of whom were alleged hijackers or Arabs.

CREW

Jason Dahl, 43, from Denver, Colorado, was the plane's captain.
Leroy Homer, 36, from Marlton, New Jersey, was the first officer on board.
Lorraine Bay was a flight attendant.
Sandra Bradshaw, 38, of Greensboro, North Carolina, was a flight attendant.
Wanda Green was a flight attendant.
CeeCee Lyles of Fort Myers, Florida, was a flight attendant.
Deborah Welsh was a flight attendant.

PASSENGERS

Christian Adams
Todd Beamer, 32, was from Cranbury, New Jersey.
Alan Beaven, 48, of Oakland, California, was an environmental lawyer.
Mark Bingham, 31, of San Francisco owned a public relations firm, the Bingham Group.
Deora Bodley, 20, of Santa Clara, California, was a university student.
Marion Britton
Thomas E. Burnett Jr., 38, of San Ramon, California.
William Cashman
Georgine Corrigan
Joseph Deluca
Patrick Driscoll
Edward Felt, 41, was from Matawan, New Jersey.
Colleen Fraser
Andrew Garcia
Jeremy Glick, 31, from West Milford, New Jersey.
Lauren Grandcolas of San Rafael, California, was a sales worker at Good Housekeeping magazine.
Donald F. Green, 52, was from Greenwich, Connecticut.
Linda Gronlund
Richard Guadagno, 38, of Eureka, California, was the manager of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service's Humboldt Bay National Wildlife Refuge.
Toshiya Kuge
Waleska Martinez
Nicole Miller
Mark Rothenberg
Christine Snyder, 32, was from Kailua, Hawaii. She was an arborist for the Outdoor Circle.
John Talignani
Honor Wainio
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post Feb 21 2009, 02:20 PM
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QUOTE (Sanders @ Apr 10 2008, 07:17 AM) *
You seem sincere in your quest to understand. The Pilots' site officially doesn't speculate ... but here on the forum we all have our pet theories that slip out once in a while - I'm maybe the worst offender rolleyes.gif - but hey, I'm not a real pilot, and trying to fit the pieces together into a hypothesis is something I truly enjoy. But the Pentagon is a tough nut to crack. You've got all of those clocks, which stopped 5 minutes before the official impact time (which was changed and moved forward several times) - with no rational explanation.

Was it a bomb, was there a missle of some sort that did the initial damage? Did the real flight 77 "fly-over" the Pentagon and land at nearby Reagan Int. airport? Or maybe a plane that was not the actual flight 77 did the fly-over to confuse witnesses? I really don't know - I only know that what happened was not what we were told, it was more like a magic trick, with an absurdly large percentage of both witnesses and alleged passengers strangely connected to media (USA today - in the case of witnesses only), government agencies, a neo-con think tank, defense contractors and the military. Check in the Library under "passengers", you might find some interesting reading. There is a pretty savy pathologist out there who suggests that many of the deceased were potential whistle blowers, who had the bad luck to be listed as passengers on a "hijacked" jet. (I haven't checked recently, some of the links may have gone 404.)

I have a pretty good idea who the planners were, who was involved hands-on with the 9-11 event, why they did it, even from how long back they were planning it. But I don't know HOW they did it. Get used to not knowing - NONE of us know. There's too much disinformation out there, and too many red-herrings. I suspect if we really knew we would be in awe of how simply and cleverly it was orchestrated.

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You notice that how stone henge is 3000 years old and 3000 is the number of victims killed on 9/11/2001
Could this just be a strange coincidence, or could it mean something more?
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post Apr 26 2009, 12:58 AM
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Let's see, if the studied evidence concludes that AA flt 77 did not hit the Pentagon, then the a/c and the pax have somehow been made invisible; the flight a fantasy given form via an error-filled NTSB animation that renders it as an useless, big, fat lie. Much along the lines of the final explanation of the missile shoot down of TWA 800 whose memory now gathers so much more dust with each passing day. So, the AA77 animation may well serve as a dopey cover for a cruise or high speed missile launch into the Pentagon.

Now, for me, this gives rise to a new speculation about UAL 93 which allegedly crashed in PA. Apparently, this a/c also did a disappearing act that fateful morning. The evidence gathered so far seems to indicate a 757 did NOT crash in PA. So, again who in hell knows what happened to a/c and people inside? Again, the gestapo government lies. I wonder that if "UAL 93" had not crashed and continued toward its target; (ostensibly, the WH or Capitol), then could we assume that had the fantasy been allowed to fruition without the interference of those misunderstanding heros onboard thwarting the "arab pilots" intentions, then can we assume a similar fate awaited their DC target? Like...like...like... another missile hugging the shoreline next to Reagan airport heading North for a clear shot at those targets? Geez, maybe a submerged submarine was ready to launch a smart missile; but only if the cover flight, UAL 93, arrived in DC. In any case, the possible second missile launch must have had to been cancelled in a hurry, eh? On the other hand, if UAL 93 didn't make that wreckage-less, jet fuel-less hole in PA, what did---a preprogrammed underground blast? Beats the hell out of me, Lieutenant.

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post Apr 27 2009, 12:55 PM
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QUOTE (Tacan @ Apr 26 2009, 05:58 AM) *
So, the AA77 animation may well serve as a dopey cover for a cruise or high speed missile launch into the Pentagon.


There was no missile:

There Was No Missile At the Pentagon,
But the Plane Did Not Hit
http://z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?showtopic=531

You may want to take a walk around our forums there and watch these:

http://thepentacon.com/eyeofthestorm.htm
http://thepentacon.com/northsideflyover.htm
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post Sep 5 2009, 11:14 PM
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Just WOW! One of the self-styled "debunkers" finally (3 Sep 2009) admitted being wrong about "incorrectly assumed that it was of a passenger in a airline seat" re:"passengers still strapped to seats" in the Pentagon.

Linking this one here for posterity (the next time it might be needed):
http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums...0&t=1959677

DYEW's response to "hamba"
http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums...9&t=1959677
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post Sep 6 2009, 03:25 PM
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Hello again - it's been a long time since I've checked this site - thank you 9/11 pilot truthers for putting up this site in the first place. I highly recommend to the few airline pilots I know and since I don't know if they check it, at the least the information is available. Most of them just don't 'want to go there'.

Having received DVDs and information from Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth, I logged on to their site recently and went to ANOTHER great site - Scholars for 9/11 Truth. My curiosity about Flight 77 has lead me down many a rabbit hole as to WHAT HAPPENENED TO THAT PLANE AND ITS PASSENGERS, because OBVIOUSLY, it DID NOT hit the Pentagon. No apologies, a beast that size doesn't fit into a 16-18' hole.

So here's a link on Scholars that I found VERY DISTURBING. Now, prepare yourself who what you are about to see. I believe these photographs are the remains of the personnel in the Pentagon, NOT any AA77 pax. None of these victims are in an airline seat but I'm only posting this to show you the HUMAN TRAGEDY of 9/11. These are pictures we NEVER see on the MSM.

Once you view them, it just hits you that MASS MURDER had been committed on that fateful day. If this doesn't outrage you, nothing will.

On the link, go to Flight 77 and link on 'Remains Photographs':

http://stj911.com/evidence/pentagon.html
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Welcome JoJo

The government is quite skilled at public dissemination of photographs. It's there proof it really happened, and they look good in their personnel files. laughing1.gif
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post Sep 21 2011, 04:18 AM
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QUOTE (amazed! @ Sep 9 2009, 01:03 AM) *
Welcome JoJo

The government is quite skilled at public dissemination of photographs. It's there proof it really happened, and they look good in their personnel files. laughing1.gif



Can any of those people listed above be found in the Social Security death index as shuffling off this mortal coil September 11, 2001?
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Not sure why it included the quote when i hit "reply" but it won't let me edit it.

Anyways. Checking SSDI for the famous Todd Beamer shows the only one that name died June 10, 97 but lets try Charlie F, he was 45 in 2001 with two young kids who also perished with him.
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FALKENBERG, CHARLES 19 Nov 1882 Feb 1977 94 02903 (Providence, Providence, RI) 02907 (Providence, Providence, RI) Rhode Island 037-01-2584
FALKENBERG, CHARLES 25 Oct 1907 Sep 1976 68 11557 (Hewlett, Nassau, NY) (none specified) New York 086-10-8244
FALKENBERG, CHARLES B 16 Jan 1918 18 Nov 2007 (V) 89 21136 (Reisterstown, Baltimore, MD) 21136 (Reisterstown, Baltimore, MD) Maryland 216-09-9880
FALKENBERG, CHARLES 04 Apr 1893 Jul 1972 79 60610 (Chicago, Cook, IL) (none specified) Illinois 325-34-4078
FALKENBERG, CHARLES J 30 Mar 1907 11 Nov 1999 (V) 92 60643 (Chicago, Cook, IL) (none specified) Illinois 348-36-1213
FALKENBERG, CHARLES N 25 Dec 1950 24 Jul 2006 (P) 55 (72) (none specified) Wisconsin 395-54-6340

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Expand that to anybody with the same last name and specify Sept 11th and there actually is a listing for the kids, would they even have Social Security #'s? But still no Charlie nor his wife Leslie Whittington.-----------------------------------------------------------------------
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FALKENBERG, DANA C 21 Jul 1998 11 Sep 2001 (P) 3 (FO) (none specified) Maryland 214-53-1139
FALKENBERG, ZOE E 08 Nov 1992 11 Sep 2001 (P) 8 (FO) (none specified) Maryland 216-37-5037

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Let's try some others on Sept 11th 01...

no matches for Jim or any other any Debeuneure
no matches for Michele or any other any Heidenberger
35 people that last name in the SSDI and none even close in description.


There is a Touran Bolourchi though, issued by Tennessee?
BOLOURCHI, TOURAN H 10 Jun 1931 11 Sep 2001 (V) 70 90049 (Los Angeles, Los Angeles, CA) (none specified) Tennessee 413-74-9571

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Hi WetBlanket

I have not studied the SSDI, but I understand how it works by reading various posts here.

That so many of the "passengers" are not on that list is just more fuel for the fire that the Official Conspiracy Theory is a damn lie. Especially, it seems to me, that these people have achieved Public Hero status for their public deaths. All the more reason for them to be on that list.
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Typically I would tell OCTAs I don't need to explain where 77 went because the burden of proof is on them to show it hit the Pentagon. After being called a coward repeatedly I would point to what they consider to be the best evidence for the OCT.

One aspect I would challenge them on is the comparison of the planes being used and don't know if this was a stupid question or not but it never made sense the 767s were unable to travel as far as the 757 after impact considering the differences in the structures. The towers were not concrete walls yet stopped the planes in under 200 feet while the concrete structures in the Pentagon could not stop the smaller 757 until 300 feet.

Anyways, while we completely understand burden of proof, it seems insufficient to be effective in challenging the OCT. My only goal with seeking an explanation was this: if you could provide a feasible scenario for what happened to 77 it would be effective on some level in opening at least some people's minds.

There are some hopelessly sewn to the OCT and these are the people who say there is nothing comparable between 9E and Operation Northwoods. For the OCTAs who were honest enough to admit there is a close resemblance, they tried to claim the ON documents were PLANTED in the Pentagon by truthers.
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One aspect I would challenge them on is the comparison of the planes being used and don't know if this was a stupid question or not but it never made sense the 767s were unable to travel as far as the 757 after impact considering the differences in the structures. The towers were not concrete walls yet stopped the planes in under 200 feet while the concrete structures in the Pentagon could not stop the smaller 757 until 300 feet.


GLs hide behind questions they know are impossible to answer.

I think that comparison is a valid point. What's even more ridiculous is the official claim that the nosecone made it through those 300ft in recognizable form.

OCT advocates have the advantage of pointing out that all 4 events don't have precedent to compare them to (that is, the crash physics of commercial aircraft against structures - Shankesville witnesses contradict any crash taking place there but even the "ground scars" could only be seen as "realistic" by the diehards)

We do know that at least two of the aircraft were allegedly performing ridiculous feats that were way beyond not only the capability of the aircraft but the controllability of the aircraft and the alleged "pilots".

OCT advocates can bullshit all they want about crash physics when discussing the Pentagon but what they can't explain (and neither could the ASCE Report on the alleged damage) is the visual damage to the facade in regard to the wings and stabilizers. This coupled with no recognizable debris on the lawn bar the ("luckily" for the OCT) lettered (and only lettered) alleged uncharred, uncrushed aircraft skin that supposedly made it on to the lawn. Yet the bigass stabilizer complete with large AA lettering vanished?

And what swung it for me was that no witnesses place the aircraft on the directional damage path through the lightpoles, generator nor the 300ft path through to the "punch out hole".

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QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Sep 30 2012, 06:06 PM) *
GLs hide behind questions they know are impossible to answer.

I think that comparison is a valid point. What's even more ridiculous is the official claim that the nosecone made it through those 300ft in recognizable form.

OCT advocates have the advantage of pointing out that all 4 events don't have precedent to compare them to (that is, the crash physics of commercial aircraft against structures - Shankesville witnesses contradict any crash taking place there but even the "ground scars" could only be seen as "realistic" by the diehards)

We do know that at least two of the aircraft were allegedly performing ridiculous feats that were way beyond not only the capability of the aircraft but the controllability of the aircraft and the alleged "pilots".

OCT advocates can bullshit all they want about crash physics when discussing the Pentagon but what they can't explain (and neither could the ASCE Report on the alleged damage) is the visual damage to the facade in regard to the wings and stabilizers. This coupled with no recognizable debris on the lawn bar the ("luckily" for the OCT) lettered (and only lettered) alleged uncharred, uncrushed aircraft skin that supposedly made it on to the lawn. Yet the bigass stabilizer complete with large AA lettering vanished?

And what swung it for me was that no witnesses place the aircraft on the directional damage path through the lightpoles, generator nor the 300ft path through to the "punch out hole".

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When everything first went down and I heard about the Pentagon it made sense considering the size of the target. Until I saw where it entered. I've driven by the Pentagon countless times and remember the dense population at ground level and thought:

That dude was one hell of a pilot!!

Until I learned he was unable to rent a Cessna a few weeks prior. My only beef with the truther fight is we should have collectively fought by focusing on the most vulnerable parts, which I see as the Pentagon and WTC7. We don't need to prove everything that happened was not what we were told to show the attack itself is not what we were sold.

As you highlighted, the Pentagon was never explained by the evidence of the wreckage and the punch out hole is probably the second most crucial physical piece of evidence on the ground because if it was caused by a structure, like an engine, landing gear, or a stale bag of peanuts, there should have been debris everywhere in the drive way but it was pretty much spotless. However, the hole is consistent with an explosion from a missile.

The lack of debris on the lawn is (IMHO) the single best piece of physical evidence. There has to be a 757 somewhere getting ready to retire so it would be awesome if someone could bank roll an experiment of it crashing into a structure half the distance of the three rings. There would be no need to construct all three rings because 1 1/2 is enough to stop the plane.

Hard not to rehash all the stuff because it just seems so darn silly that people could actually look at the evidence and accept the OCT. Mind blowing.

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It is impossible to reason with people in denial, and those who defend the OCT are in denial, or perhaps being paid to defend the story.

It is an irrational act to place great faith in the testimony of known liars, yet they do that all the time and claim to be acting rationally and in accordance with scientific principles. Hogwash!

Keep up the good work by asking questions.
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Uneeque

It is impossible to reason with people in denial, and those who defend the OCT are in denial, or perhaps being paid to defend the story.

It is an irrational act to place great faith in the testimony of known liars, yet they do that all the time and claim to be acting rationally and in accordance with scientific principles. Hogwash!

Keep up the good work by asking questions.


It seems there is a psychological component impeding the ability to attempt objective examinations of the information and this is most noticeable in Nationalists. The farther away you move from that ideological group the density becomes lighter. This is all guesswork from an idiot but the closest analogy I can surmise is that of a married couple. Nationalists view the government as their life partner in similar fashion and when one is unfaithful, there is usually an unconscious move towards ignoring the evidence. It is denial, but not in awareness.

I think it scares the hell out of people to think their own government would plan terrorist attacks against them. I just wish we had solid evidence our top military leaders had actually written up plans for a false terrorist attack against us in the past 60 years or so. Maybe if we had that written evidence it would help show Americans our government is not exactly our friend. Or maybe it wouldn't matter at all. Maybe too many Americans are still too entrenched in supporting our government that if they were given that evidence they would just tell us to take a hike way up North and bury it in the woods?

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QUOTE (Ricochet @ Jun 8 2008, 04:19 PM) *
I found an interesting report from USA Today
Three jets sending out distress signals over the Atlantic. This is the only time I have ever heard this report. Which 3 aircraft were in distress? 11,175,77?
http://www.usatoday.com/news/sept11/2002-0...er-daytwo_x.htm



All those distress signals might have been staged, probably were staged.

Considering the presence of Ptech software being on the computers of most federal agencies, at least the important ones, and the fact that numerous federal training exercises had been going on for days, most likely the radar was utterly spoofed, hacked, and whatever else, making the distress signals an easy way to confuse the innocent humans sitting at the control screens.
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It seems there is a psychological component impeding the ability to attempt objective examinations of the information and this is most noticeable in Nationalists. The farther away you move from that ideological group the density becomes lighter. This is all guesswork from an idiot but the closest analogy I can surmise is that of a married couple. Nationalists view the government as their life partner in similar fashion and when one is unfaithful, there is usually an unconscious move towards ignoring the evidence. It is denial, but not in awareness.

I think it scares the hell out of people to think their own government would plan terrorist attacks against them. I just wish we had solid evidence our top military leaders had actually written up plans for a false terrorist attack against us in the past 60 years or so. Maybe if we had that written evidence it would help show Americans our government is not exactly our friend. Or maybe it wouldn't matter at all. Maybe too many Americans are still too entrenched in supporting our government that if they were given that evidence they would just tell us to take a hike way up North and bury it in the woods?



You are right all the way, except that the written records regarding Northwoods was released some years back. Whether on purpose or by accident I don't know, but those records did make it into the public view, for those looking. Just like the Pentagon Papers.

Reynolds v. U.S. also made it into the public view, by accident. It is well documented that the government is mendacious. Men have known that since they first created governments.
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Welcome to the forum.

This is the first question 90% of people unfamiliar with the controversy surrounding the Pentagon incident ask us. The simple fact of the matter is, we do not know, nor do we claim to. The government tells us that they were killed in the impact. They also tell us they have identified most if not all the passengers via DNA. They've also said that most of the plane vaporized leaving no debris with identification numbers that would allow us to positively identify the plane. How DNA samples could withstand such an inferno is a question that goes unanswered. Where the DNA samples came from if they didn't come from the Pentagon is another unanswered question. There are many unanswered questions -- and that is the problem.

We rely upon our government and its agencies to tell us the truth. What 9/11 reveals more clearly than any event in recent history is that government intentionally deceives the public and uses the media to reinforce the view of things they want us to have. Why do they do that? Why do we have contradictory information in the form of a flight data recorder whose data does not match the physical evidence of downed light poles and damage field within the Pentagon? Why do we have Pentagon police officers who say they saw the plane and firmly believe the plane they saw hit the Pentagon yet, it, too, does not correspond to the physical damage?

My contention is that 9/11 in all its aspects has the earmarks of an on-going black-op, false-flag, counterintelligence operation. So far as I understand these operations, they are set up in such a way that no one, even most people on the 'inside' (except for a few, yet to be identified) know what exactly is going on. High security matters are on a "need to know" basis and people are encouraged not to look beyond the frame of their specified role. This allows for "plausible deniability." For example, there is good reason to question how much of what happened was known in advance by Bush. Clearly, he was not in a control position on 9/11. Cheney, Rumsfeld, Generals Myers, Eberhart and Arnold, on the other hand, clearly were.

Without a thorough and independent investigation with judicial "teeth" which allows us to put people under oath, cross examine them, and offer immunity in exchange for testimony -- not to mention some degree of safety -- there is little chance that we will ever know the full truth of what happened to the passengers of Flight 77 -- or, indeed, anything else about 9/11.

What we do know now is that the government is releasing evidence that is contradictory. The point of this, I believe, is if they can't keep a lid on this and keep everyone believing unquestioningly the official story, to keep the population in a state of uncertainty. The result is 9/11 will 'fall down the memory hole' and, as time goes on, look more and more like just another "conspiracy theory" which can neither be proven nor disproved. This is what they did with the major political assassinations of the last century, what they've done with the anthrax scare and what they are doing with 9/11. MEANWHILE, the perpetrators of these events WALK and plan their next operation -- all to our peril.

I'm sorry if this answer is neither reassuring or satisfactory -- but if you've only lived in the perception of reality constructed for you by corporate owned media -- you are now faced with the metaphor put forward in the movie, "The Matrix." Do you want to take the blue pill and wake up tomorrow believing whatever you want to believe or do you want to take the red pill and discover just how deep the rabbit hole goes? Personally, I took the red pill long, long ago. I'm quite used to the ambiguity of uncertainty and have learned to appreciate it as a way of looking at the world. I don't claim to know the full truth -- only bits and pieces. Enough, nonetheless, to be certain without any doubt whatsoever, whoever did it and however they pulled it off, it was not 19 Arab hijackers with incredible luck. <-- THAT is the conspiracy theory.


WOW! Painter, I will drink to THAT! I, too, have become comfortable with knowing things are NOT as they are described by our government. As I have said, the media still says Oswald killed Kennedy, and everyone knows that is open to debate.
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