Mccain And The Liberty Massacre, His father's role in Options

[Omega892R09]

Having aired the USS Liberty affair at:

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....showtopic=13715

post #13

then, although many consider Obama and McCain are just faces of the same coin perhaps this should be thrown into the campaign mix more:

October 17, 2008 Southwest News-Herald - City & Suburban

McCain Should Explain About Liberty Killings

By RAY HANANIA

If Barak Obama’s association with 1960s radical William Ayers is a critical issue in this campaign, then Sen. John McCain’s role in protecting the actions of his father in the deaths of 34 American sailors is an issue, too.

While most Americans know all about the Ayers controversy, few know that McCain’s father, Navy Admiral John McCain Jr., was involved in the cover-up of the Israeli assault on the U.S.S. Liberty on June 8, 1967.

On that day, Israeli fighter jets, torpedo boats and helicopter assault ships killed 34 sailors and wounded 174 others during the Arab-Israeli war.

McCain and pro-Israel activists insist the attack was an “accident.” But eyewitnesses on the ship, American veterans in uniform who went into the Mediterranean Sea as champions of Israel, insist Israel wanted to sink the ship to force the United States to join the war against Egypt, then a Soviet client.

Phillip Tourney was a young officer on the Liberty working in the security and communications room. In an interview on Radio Chicagoland on WJJG last week, which is online at RadioChicagoland.com, Tourney described what really happened.

Full article:

McCain Should Explain About Liberty Killings

[dMz]

If one is versed in the Navajo legend of "skinwalkers," this version of McCain 2.0? is a rather compelling argument for such business (and he was my state Senator at one point). As far as Stepford VPalin- forget about it.

Not to go completely off-topic, but what have you got on the USS Scorpion and Thresher sub "accidents" for us O892?

EDIT: I remember reading somewhere that LBJ gave orders to put that "God damn ship [Liberty] at the bottom of the ocean" or something to that effect.

[Omega892R09]

Not to go completely off-topic, but what have you got on the USS Scorpion and Thresher sub "accidents" for us O892?

Is that picking up on the Orwell/Offley bit in my sig' dM?

EDIT: I remember reading somewhere that LBJ gave orders to put that "God damn ship [Liberty] at the bottom of the ocean" or something to that effect.

I have a hunch that was in Bamford's 'Body of Secrets' book. I'll check directly.

[dMz]

Is that picking up on the Orwell/Offley bit in my sig' dM?

Actually no O892, unless I picked that up subliminally (which is entirely possible). My sources were a little more "official" on what I've heard about those incidents. I just figured that you are more "plausibly deniable" than I am in US Navy matters. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/whistle.gif)

All 3 incidents are textbook examples of "broken history" though IMHO.

[grizz]

Just released by Ralph Nader.



2008 Presidential Candidate Ralph Nader discusses John McCain and Israel's bombing in the U.S.S. Liberty. From The Forum Auditorium, Cleveland, Ohio, October 30, 2008.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0q7yEnMjQ6U

[dMz]

Nader's been kicking ass and taking names lately. He sounded like the only guy wearing a pair in the Barr/Baldwin debate this week from what I heard. The audio was crappy though.

EDIT: Yup, oysters big enough to mention AIPAC there at the end. Bravo Ralph!

[grizz]

After much indecision, I am voting for Nader. If MSM gave him his due, I believe he could actually win.

[Omega892R09]

Looks like Bamford has stirred things up a bit.

The following article's tone is not a surprise given the origin and author of the article:

Is Israel's booming high-tech industry a branch of the Mossad?

By Yossi Melman

Tags: NSA, Mossad, high tech

In 2006 the Check Point Software Technologies company, which specializes in protecting computer systems from hackers and data theft, wanted to acquire an American company called Sourcefire, which works in the same field. The great advantage of Sourcefire was that its clients include the American Defense Department and the National Security Agency. The U.S. administration, however, by means of the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States, did not approve the acquisition.

The committee made its decision based on an opinion by the Federal Bureau of Investigation and NSA security officers. The two organizations were afraid that Check Point, which was founded by Gil Shwed and fellow graduates of Unit 8200, the Israel Defense Forces' high-tech intelligence unit, would have access to top-secret information, which it could pass on to Israel's intelligence community.

The fear and suspicion currently is directed not only toward Check Point, but also other Israeli high-tech companies like Verint, Comverse, NICE Systems and PerSay Voice Biometrics, some of which work in data mining and engage in software development for tapping telephones, fax machines, e-mail and computer communications.

Full article:

Is Israel's booming high-tech industry a branch of the Mossad?

I am preparing a piece which will include paragraphs from the Chapter 'Blood' in 'Body of Secrets'.

Interesting snippets of encoded texts at the head of each chapter in this book, has anybody bothered to decrypt them?

I must admit I did not at the time I read it but became reinterested in codes following reading Simon Singh's 'The Code Book' and managing to track down a copy of the rare:

'Cryptanalysis' by Helen Fouché Gaines

[dMz]

Thanks O892- did you read any of the comments at that Haaretz page? Only a disinfo agent or a God-damned naive fool [cough * or Skepticon post #7 * cough] would spin concern about Mossad spooks into "American Xenophobia." A little research on Sayeret Mat Kal, Ehud Barak, and the international "Nazi hunters" might be informative for some (the movie "Munich" was surprisingly accurate by Hollyweird standards)...

In truth, people worldwide probably ought to be xenophobic about the American DoD and 2 PNAC Crew!

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....&p=10756640

[dMz]

Very likely related threads are at:

Bollyn Makes Crucial 9/11 Discovery
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....showtopic=10586

Israeli Spy Software On Critical Faa Computers?, How did it get onto?
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....showtopic=10689

A Consideration Of Conspiracies-one More Time, Merged with CNN: 9/11 CT = anti-Semite, and Tin Foil Hats
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....showtopic=12001

EDIT: Well these are interesting with the recent Gaza mess:
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http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/795349.html

Last update - 14:10 02/12/2006
Palestinians: Israel Navy fires on fishing vessel off Gaza shore
By The Associated Press and Itim

GAZA CITY - Palestinian security officials said Saturday that an Israel Navy boat fired toward a Palestinian fishing vessel off Gaza in what they called a first Israeli violation of a week-old truce in Gaza.

The vessel caught fire, but no one was hurt, the security officials said.

The Israel Defense Forces had no immediate comment....
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http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/...2008081107.html

Israeli gunships fire at fishing boats
Palestine-Israel, Politics, 8/11/2008

Israel's naval gunships opened fire yesterday at fishing boats near Rafah shores in southern Gaza Strip, witnesses said.

Witnesses said that Israeli naval forces targeted fishing boats with gunship fire. Medics said no injuries were reported.

The Palestinian News Agency WAFA said "Israel's naval troops always attack fishing boats and prevent them from fishing off Gaza sea."
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http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/Flash.aspx/150181

Navy Opens Fire on PA Fishing Boats; No Injuries

Reported: 14:32 PM - Jul/20/08

(IsraelNN.com) Israeli Navy boats fired at Palestinian Authority (PA) fishing boats that approached Israeli territorial waters Sunday morning, according to sources cited by the Chinese news agency Xinhua. The shelling and gunshots at the boat lasted 10 minutes and caused damage to boats but no injuries.

Gaza sources accused Israel of breaking the month-old temporary ceasefire, and Hamas has threatened to declare the truce null and void and to resume attacking Israel. "We will look for a new stance regarding the lull," the Izz ad-Deen al-Kassam Brigades stated
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Reason for edit: Added naval attack links

[Skepticon]

Thanks O892- did you read any of the comments at that Haaretz page? Only a disinfo agent or a God-damned naive fool [cough * or Skepticon post #7 * cough] would spin concern about Mossad spooks into "American Xenophobia." A little research on Sayeret Mat Kal, Ehud Barak, and the international "Nazi hunters" might be informative for some (the movie "Munich" was surprisingly accurate by Hollyweird standards)...

In truth, people worldwide probably ought to be xenophobic about the American DoD and 2 PNAC Crew!

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....&p=10756640

I used to get aggravated reading your smart-ass posts.
Now I just pity you. You are clearly a bored paranoid with too much free time.

Here is something to keep you busy:

1987: USS ‘Stark’ Attacked by Iraqi Warplane, 37 Sailors Die.

I wish you luck finding how the Mossad is connected to the event,
otherwise – by your standards – you won't be able to tag it as an Israeli massacre,
which might be unexciting for you.

[dMz]

I used to get aggravated reading your smart-ass posts.
Now I just pity you. You are clearly a bored paranoid with too much free time.

Here is something to keep you busy:

1987: USS ‘Stark’ Attacked by Iraqi Warplane, 37 Sailors Die.

I wish you luck finding how the Mossad is connected to the event,
otherwise – by your standards – you won't be able to tag it as an Israeli massacre,
which might be unexciting for you.

"Ex IDF Special Forces" is back here again? (Post #20)
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....&p=10757953

From that thread, if your time is so precious, then why do you keep coming back to this debate forum exactly, "Skepticon?"

While your opinion(s) of me are noted and you are certainly entitled to them, this attempted derail has been covered ad nauseum here elsewhere before BTW.

See Sanders' post #41:
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....&p=10759397

"Look, folks, they WANT you to think that Mossad did it. That makes their job easy ... point their finger, yell anti-semite, comare us with holocaust denyers, and their job is done. It works - no, that should be past-tense, it worked. "

Also see several of my replies on the thread I linked at your post #20 above BTW- are you getting "selective memory" perhaps Skepticon? Take my post #21 for example:

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....&p=10757964
"Uh, yeah. The question was USS Liberty for $400, Alex. Now-declassified DoD documents, "insider" US military intel, and James Bamford tell a considerably different story than the "biased" (to use Skepticon's word) version."

Back on topic, let's stick with the USS Liberty at my point #1 above. If anyone is really interested, we can move the Stark to a different thread, as deemed necessary.

I think that Omega892 summed that thread up fairly well, I think at post #29:
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....&p=10758022

"Mockery, what flipping mockery?

Hit a few nerves there or something?

Or is it that you realise you cannot defend the indefensible. " [Bolding mine]

Why don't you and forester/parky76 do everyone a favor now and troll along back to ADL, AIPAC, and/or the Randiite forum as applicable now Skepticon, hmmm? [Also, I didn't see a link to your information source on that USS Stark thing BTW.]

Toodles.

P.S. Thanks for proving my point a 2nd time on point #1 (USS Liberty) above BTW.

[dMz]

Re-emphasizing my post above since some apparently "missed" it the first time:

In truth, people worldwide probably ought to be xenophobic about the American DoD and 2 PNAC Crew!

[dMz]

For Skepticon et alia:

http://www.toondoo.com/View.toon?param=32853

http://www.toondoo.com/public/a/m/i/amit/t...rtoon-32853.png

(IMG:http://www.toondoo.com/public/a/m/i/amit/toons/cool-cartoon-32853.png)

[dMz]

Clarifying my earlier post #_9_ above that I addressed to O892, I was referring to comment #10 on the Haaretz page that O892 linked above:

"Title: American Xenophobia
Name: Peter Arnevet
City: State:
Interesting comments on an interesting article.

American hands must be clean as they NEVER spied on anyone else ever... information just "fell" into their hands. The biggest listening devices and antennas outside Berlin or the eastern block or today`s Arab World is at Tel-Aviv Israel at on the top, above and bellow the compound of the American Embassy. The number of spy satellites aimed towards Israel is disproportionately high comparing with the rest of the countries America is watching or spying on. So before everyone calls the cattle black, you might want to check the facts first, as a country that spy on its citizens."

As I am Amerikan and I have worked for the US MIIC firsthand, this comment is apparently pointed at someone just like me. There are many scripts on that Haaretz page BTW (but that is all-too common in this WWW). I also apologize here to Skepticon for my off-thread allusion to him (by [bracketed] name). In retrospect that may have been uncalled for. I believe that there were a number of days that passed after Skepticon's rather abrasive first post on the now-closed thread, though.

I closed that thread just now (after giving Skepticon the "last word" as it were) as it has attracted trouble like a magnet (provacateurs perhaps? but I'm "paranoid" after all) and because of this request at post #32, back on my country's (s)Election day, over one month ago.

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....&p=10758027

You will note that I didn't make the first post(s) there either, and I didn't even post on that thread until after Oceans Flow had made this post #8 reply (after the inflammatory [IMHO] Skepticon post #7 in question on that thread):

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....&p=10756647

"Hi Skepticon.

First, this topic is in the Debate forum. That indicates that the view expressed in the OP is not considered to be common, and is subject to debate.

Second, this subject has been discussed with great frequency, and there is a wide range of opinion.

Here are my thoughts about Israeli involvement in 9/11."

That is all that I elect to say about this matter... at this time. I still hold that this world is full of God-damned naive fools- it is my [educated] opinion, unlikely to change until my dying day.

EDIT: Shades of 1967???

Israeli Gun Boat Shoots At Gaza Fishermen
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....showtopic=14461