Hello Everyone. So.... Is That It? Options

[IsaacNewton]

I don't think any rational person who looks at the overwhelming mountain of evidence can avoid the obvious conclusion that highly placed individuals within the United States Government are at least partly, if not solely, responsible for the events of September 11, 2001. I'm just wondering now, as I survey the seemingly endless list of people whose reputations, credentials and collective experience are literally above reproach....

MILITARY OFFICERS, U.S. GOVERNMENT SCIENTISTS AND RESEARCHERS, U.S. INTELLIGENCE SERVICES, LAW ENFORCEMENT, U.S. FEDERAL AND STATE GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS, INTERNATIONAL MILITARY, INTELLIGENCE SERVICES AND GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS AND EVEN 9/11 COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF MEMBERS

Is that it? I understand they've had the courage to step forward and demand answers by signing a petition but.... Where is the outrage? It's been well over a decade now and, presumably, the same individuals who were responsible for this crime, which can only be described as purest evil, are still in control of this country today, and are still actively engaged, right now, in committing further crimes! Crimes which, as someone on the that long list of noteworthy people put it "....may signal the end of the American Experiment". How can this be?

It's going to take more than a petition to resolve this issue. An emergency situation requires an emergency response.... This is an emergency and has been since September 11, 2001. Do they honestly believe that their petition willl motivate the same government that committed the crime to indict and convict itself? If the American people don't take action, and soon, it will be over.

It may already be to late.... I don't know how much credibility to attach to them, but I'm reading on the internet about the Department Of Homeland Security stockpiling billions of rounds of hollow point ammunition, mysterious "facilities" that resemble prisons being built all over the country and large plastic coffins, or "vaults" being stockpiled by FEMA, alledgedly "....just in case something happens". That doesn't sound very good. If anyone has any reliable information about that I'd be grateful to review it, if they'd care to post it.

This post has been edited by IsaacNewton: Nov 15 2013, 05:51 AM

[IsaacNewton]

I'm looking at this still and it increasingly appears to be a no win scenario for the American people really no matter what.

If a genuine investigation is launched and it gets to close to the truth, the perpetrarors of 9/11 (a covert political entity) will simply accelerate their schedule by committing another or even multiple similar staged attacks in order to justify the immediate declaration of Martial Law or the imposition of other severe socio-economic restrictions on the general populace to remain in control, prevent any further investigative progress and avoid answering for thier crimes.

If no genuine investigation is launched, then the perpetrators of 9/11 (a covert political entity) will simply remain in control and continue avoiding answering for their crimes (as they have successfully done now since at least 2001), proceeding with their schedule of committing another or even multiple staged attacks to justify the declaration of Martial Law or the imposition of other severe socio-economic restrictions on the general populace, preventing any further investigative progress and continuing to avoid answering form their crimes.

There doesn't appear to be any way out either, because the covert political entity that is/controls the Pentagon and NATO is too well ensconced now around the globe for any local uprising (a single country) to seriously affect the their global objective (whatever that turns out to be).

The people cannot win, it's too late. They're completely out gunned, the coffins are ready and the camps stand ready. As a group (globally) the people have neither the collective will nor the physical ability to rise up as one and act, for example, in the form of any kind of meaningful wide spread work stoppage or tax recolt would have any real impact on the well armed and well supplied organization (the covert political entity) now known to be in control, and even if they did have the will and the ability, it would only force the situation to a head on a grander scale, resulting in a their committing another or even multiple staged attacks (blamed on those rising up of course) leading to the immediate declaration of Martial Law or the imposition of other severe socio-economic restrictions being placed on the general populace of whatever country or contries were involved..

The battle is lost.

This post has been edited by IsaacNewton: Apr 14 2015, 07:24 PM

[NP1Mike]

If a genuine investigation is launched and it gets to close to the truth, the perpetrarors of 9/11 (a covert political entity) will simply accelerate their schedule by committing another or even multiple similar staged attacks in order to justify the immediate declaration of Martial Law or the imposition of other severe socio-economic restrictions on the general populace to remain in control, prevent any further investigative progress and avoid answering for thier crimes.


...The battle is lost.

Isaac nice to meet you here!

Although we likely come from different backgrounds and have done our research independently of each other we have essentially come to the same conclusions about 9/11.

I would just like to suggest a more encompassing and likely entity than the one you frequently mention, "covert political entity" as being responsible for the 9/11 attacks.

Many have concluded that it was the 'Deep State' that was responsible for planning and carrying out 9/11.
The Deep State is much more inclusive than a rogue covert political entity.

As for the battle being lost. Yes it is quite depressing to consider our chances of gaining the upper hand with such a mighty enemy as the Deep State.
I would rather remain optimistic that somehow, somewhere, someone will find the key to unite the masses in protest and bring down this oppressive monster.

[Tamborine man]

As for the battle being lost. Yes it is quite depressing to consider our chances of gaining the upper hand with such a mighty enemy as the Deep State.
I would rather remain optimistic that somehow, somewhere, someone will find the key to unite the masses in protest and bring down this oppressive monster.

The Key?

Nothing beats "Education" and "Enlightenment" of course,

and not to forget this reminder:

"T.T.T.

Put up in a place
where it's easy to see
the cryptic admonishment
T.T.T.

When you feel how depressingly
slowly you climb,
it's well to remember that
Things Take Time."
(Grook by Piet Hein).




Cheers

This post has been edited by Tamborine man: Apr 21 2015, 12:31 AM

[NP1Mike]

The Key?

Nothing beats "Education" and "Enlightenment" of course,

I agree.


I was alive and kicking when BSM wrote this song. I remember it well.

In her interview where she explains the meaning behind her lyrics
she makes a critical error.

She blames us all for allowing governments to continue their destructive rampaging and endless wars.

Even at the time she wrote Universal Soldier, it was not the government who was beating the war drums but rather the deep state.

They were well-established/entrenched as the de facto power calling all the geo-political shots.

Then, as now, the deep state has got us by the balls. Who can rally the troops to defeat them?

[Tamborine man]

I agree.
......
Even at the time she wrote Universal Soldier, it was not the government who was beating the war drums but rather the deep state.

They were well-established/entrenched as the de facto power calling all the geo-political shots.

Then, as now, the deep state has got us by the balls. Who can rally the troops to defeat them?

Actually it's us who got them "by the balls" ......but sadly, they don't know that yet!

Here's an excerpt from a post in the 'Life after Death' thread:

".......
There is one provision under the Law of Retribution none can avoid except the youngest of human spirits,
not yet able to respond to their conscience. Applying to the spiritual ego of humans and the Youngest and
Eldest alike, this provision requires that all who commit acts of murder or in some other way cause loss of
life of fellow beings, must, in a subsequent incarnation, save from sudden death the same number of lives
taken. (See above post).

However, this provision can be applied in different ways. Those judged and penalized under earthly law have
nothing more for which to atone. But since God's law requires that those who kill must in later incarnations
save lives, anyone already punished under earthly law will comply with this provision through an act of love,
giving them the protection of God so that they emerge unharmed from the perilous task. Not so for those
who have evaded earthly justice. They are protected neither by the guardian spirit nor by God during
attempts to save other lives. They never escape some form of harm, such as death, maiming, prolonged
illness, burns, or the like. In other words, they must atone for past crimes with their own lives or with bodily
suffering. Thus God's Law of Retribution can in certain cases require a life for a life; however, the earthly
courts of law have not a similar right.

Those who as earthly rulers, military commanders, or leaders of the people are indirectly responsible for the
loss of great numbers of lives during wars and uprisings or through death penalties, can expiate their guilt in
subsequent incarnations by saving a large number of people from impending catastrophe, for example through
action to avert man-made or natural disasters, as inventors making safe otherwise dangerous occupations, or
as scientists who find ways to prevent or control the diseases that are such a scourge to mankind in so many
ways. God Himself ensures through this provision the correct balance between the human lives lost and those
lives that in compensation are to be saved from premature or painful death.
The last two means of atonement apply only to the Youngest and partly to the Eldest, since human spirits
clearly possess not sufficient spiritual powers to act as inventors or scientists in life on Earth.
......."

If anyone feel like reading this in its proper context, He or she can go to page 44
and read posts #869 and #870 in the thread mentioned above.
(Devout 'Atheists' and 'Christians' are hereby forewarned: They won't like it)!

Cheers

[NP1Mike]

Actually it's us who got them "by the balls" ......but sadly, they don't know that yet!

Here's an excerpt from a post in the 'Life after Death' thread:

There is life after death, but unfortunately, not for those who have died.

We only get one crack at this, so get crackin' now!

[Tamborine man]

There is life after death, but unfortunately, not for those who have died.

We only get one crack at this, so get crackin' now!

Must humbly disagree.

Your Thought and your Will, your memories and your talents, are not subjected
to decay and annihilation. This can only happen to your physical body, which is
composed of quite different and much bigger particles and molecules of a far
different kind.

Your Thoughts, just as well as Music (with help of vibrations and wavelengths
of much finer particles), can effortlessly penetrate thick walls, whereas your
body of course cannot.
Neither your Thoughts nor f. ex. Music and Speech consist of any space-filling
properties in the physical world.

Think deeply about this, and you'll find that it will be absolutely impossible for
you to explain to anybody how your non-physical Thoughts and Will (and sound),
can cease to exist!

Cheers

This post has been edited by Tamborine man: Apr 22 2015, 09:41 PM

[NP1Mike]

Must humbly disagree.

Your Thought and your Will, your memories and your talents, are not subjected
to decay and annihilation. This can only happen to your physical body, which is
composed of quite different and much bigger particles and molecules of a far
different kind.

And your fantasies about life after death will live long after you are six feet under.

Trouble is, no one will ever be able to know about them after you are gone.

Unless of course you write a book about them.

[Tamborine man]

And your fantasies about life after death will live long after you are six feet under.

Trouble is, no one will ever be able to know about them after you are gone.

Unless of course you write a book about them.

"Fantasies"!! Jeeez, how cynical you are dear NP1Mike.

Here's what i suggested to the readers down in 'Life after Death':

"Curiosità", Leonardo da Vinci's first principle, is irrevocably connected to the
well-known schism that took place within the philosophical world around 150 years ago.

Philosophers Descartes and Hegel claimed that all true philosophy should start with doubt.

Contrary to this, Socrates and Kierkegaard maintained that all true philosophy should start
with wonder.

With his "curiosità", Da Vinci is obviously totally on the side with Socrates and Kierkegaard
as all thinking people should be ......as it would be impossible the find Truth through doubt.
Doubt is therefore the bane of mankind.
Don't go there.
Wonder wonderfully instead.

Come on NP1Mike, why not give it a try!

Cheers

PS!
The "book'' has already been written - close to 100 years ago!

This post has been edited by Tamborine man: Apr 23 2015, 03:32 AM