Ron Wieck Gets Catty (or Caney?), Caution- Graphic, Adult Website discussed Options

[Lou]

Hey guy's,...I'm 'Lou' and I use to post at "DebateBothSides.com" until it got shut down recently because of all the turmoil being cause due to the 9/11 postings / arguments going on there that no doubt was drawing attention from the Fed's that monitored the site because "We" are so subversive you know. (Sigh !)

Anyway, If you did not know before you came over to DebateBothSides.com, the owner and "Ottenhoff Consulting"CEO Robb Ottenhoff is a right wing geek and he once worked as a Computer Security Officer for the United States Air Force doing who knows what and probably got a call from some government agency about all of the 9/11 debate going on and no doubt they wanted it to cease, thus Ottenhoff had the plug pulled at DBS which I must say has really P*ssed off the majority of the posters there that had little or nothing whatsoever to do with the 9/11 fray going on there.

I just wanted to say thanks for helping to get DBS shut down, I've only been posting there for the past three years but others have been posting since it was taken over from "Arianna Huffington"_not that you would care by the way your acting, bully for you.

As far as the issue of 9/11 truth goes I believe it's a lost cause, Yes, I believe that there should be a new and independent investigation but the reality of that ever happening is about as likely as the Fed reopening a JFK assassination investigation again IMO.

I just want to wish you all well with the noise you make on the subject, obviously you are getting noticed, DBS being shut down is certainly proof of that BIG TIME but you have to ask yourselves, is the attention that your getting the kind of attention that you want? (food for thought)


I'm currently looking for a new place to post since the THOUSANDS of POST I had made at DBS are totally lost, thanks again for helping make that happen, may the same thing also happen to you.

You all have a nice day / night,...whatever and good luck with finding the 9/11 truth ..

Lou.

[rob balsamo]

I'm currently looking for a new place to post since the THOUSANDS of POST I had made at DBS are totally lost, thanks again for helping make that happen, may the same thing also happen to you.

You all have a nice day / night,...whatever and good luck with finding the 9/11 truth ..

Lou.

"Lou", we didnt invite nor encourage the 9/11 discussion to DBS. Matter of fact, most of our forum members refused to even engage in such a clear cluster fuck of little to no moderation.

You know what I think? I think Robb had enough of the frivolous claims being made on a free forum under his name, the mods running it as a dictatorship thinking no one is above them, the constant immaturity of his supposed volunteer mod squad.... and he (Robb) shut it down when he took the time to read through the BS going on there. (I took a few reads of Lib's posts... how old is that guy... 15?)

If you want to blame someone, blame your own mod, Lib, who apparently begged on his knees at the J.REF because he couldnt debate the facts himself at DBS. He cleared the way for govt loyalists and 9/11 skeptics, so much so, that it disrupted your whole forum a new subforum had to be open... and then shut down the whole forum.

From what i have read... many of the J.REF themselves wouldnt even engage on that forum. It was a clear cluster fuck.

The topic of 9/11 is passionate, no doubt. you now learned first hand.

Blood is being shed daily since 9/11 because of 9/11. Never forget.

Although I probably had nothing to do with it, I'm sorry you lost your posts. You will be happy to know that we never delete posts here (although we have been accused, but mostly because the idiots cannot follow a moved link). Feel free to express any opinion you want in this forum.. in the proper forum section and under the the law... of course. We respect the law of the land and will never shut down this forum... it is saved daily.

[Lou]

"Lou", we didnt invite nor encourage the 9/11 discussion to DBS. Matter of fact, most of our forum members refused to even engage in such a clear cluster fuck of little to no moderation.

You know what I think? I think Robb had enough of the frivolous claims being made on a free forum under his name, the mods running it as a dictatorship thinking no one is above them, the constant immaturity of his supposed volunteer mod squad.... and he (Robb) shut it down when he took the time to read through the BS going on there. (I took a few reads of Lib's posts... how old is that guy... 15?)

If you want to blame someone, blame your own mod, Lib, who apparently begged on his knees at the J.REF because he couldnt debate the facts himself at DBS. He cleared the way for govt loyalists and 9/11 skeptics, so much so, that it disrupted your whole forum a new subforum had to be open... and then shut down the whole forum.

From what i have read... many of the J.REF themselves wouldnt even engage on that forum. It was a clear cluster fuck.

The topic of 9/11 is passionate, no doubt. you now learned first hand.

Blood is being shed daily since 9/11 because of 9/11. Never forget.

Although I probably had nothing to do with it, I'm sorry you lost your posts. You will be happy to know that we never delete posts here (although we have been accused, but mostly because the idiots cannot follow a moved link). Feel free to express any opinion you want in this forum.. in the proper forum section and under the the law... of course. We respect the law of the land and will never shut down this forum... it is saved daily.

Thanks for the words Rob,... I clearly understand you defending this site but some of your posters did become very involved in the 9/11 brouhaha at DBS and I hold them in part responsible along with the "J.REF" crowd and the IDIOT moderator "Lib" that invited them to come to DBS in the first place knowing full well that any fiery debate on the 9/11 subject would draw unwanted eyes of those who do nothing but watch and monitor forums like DBS, getting involved in the 9/11 issue and perpetuating it was a really STUPID thing for "Lib" to do on his part because it brought the forum down in my opinion.

("Lib" is really an ok guy but he was a real DICK when it came to believing that there was any conspiracy side to 9/11 or it's investigation,...he bought the WHITEWASH hook, line and sinker.)

If you had ever followed any post at DBS by anyone other than those interested in the "9/11"issue the you would have seen that 'Robb Ottenhoff' could have cared less about what went on in the forum, it was only after the fighting started in earnest on the 9/11 issues that DBS experienced any action from the 'Robb Ottenhoff' the owner and I'm fairly sure that it was due to him being pressured by the Fed's, as I recall there was a "shutdown" early on soon after the whole 9/11 debate got rather heated at DBS, things resumed as normal with the exception that yet more "New" people signed up to join in the 9/11 fray, obviously this did not set well with those who were making the calls to 'Robb Ottenhoff',..now the forum is GONE and I believe it's gone for good this time.

I'll get over the little anger I felt about DBS going missing, I'm not so sure about the other DBS regulars though, I know some are really PO'ed about it. The place was a CRAP forum for sure but it was the only forum that I posted at, Oh well,..such is life on the internets,..A-What?

"Blood is being shed daily since 9/11 because of 9/11. Never forget."

How the HELL could we ?

I'm back out.

Lou.

[rob balsamo]

Lou,

The only members of this forum that I seen at DBS are pdoherty76 (has 2 posts here) and jmh423 (zero posts here).

So I'm not sure where you get the notion, "...some of your posters did become very involved in the 9/11 brouhaha at DBS.."

Exactly who of our "posters" became "very involved" at DBS?

If you read through this thread, (which isnt very long by the way), "most" of our posters wanted nothing to do with the cluster fuck over there, and some even predicted its demise IIRC.

Most J.REFers felt the same. A rare occassion where J.REFers and "Troofers" agreed.

DBS was a joke. Mods never moderated anything. They let frivolous/fabricated/libelous claims ferment. Its no wonder the site got shut down.

I agree with Free Speech, but DBS let their members yell Fire in a crowded theater.

Sorry you lost your posts (actually, they are still there, if your posts were lost, you would see a 404 page.. .and even then, the database might be saved.. Robb just placed the board offline from the admin control panel, mods and admin can still see the full board.. we can do the same thing here...). Feel free to invite your DBS friends here if they wish to discuss... well... anything.

Exclude Lib... from the posts i read of him.. .he appears to be 15 years old and cannot have an adult conversation without attacking his opponent... (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Lou]

Lou,

The only members of this forum that I seen at DBS are pdoherty76 (has 2 posts here) and jmh423 (zero posts here).

So I'm not sure where you get the notion, "...some of your posters did become very involved in the 9/11 brouhaha at DBS.."

Exactly who of our "posters" became "very involved" at DBS?

If you read through this thread, (which isnt very long by the way), "most" of our posters wanted nothing to do with the cluster fuck over there, and some even predicted its demise IIRC.

Most J.REFers felt the same. A rare occassion where J.REFers and "Troofers" agreed.

DBS was a joke. Mods never moderated anything. They let frivolous/fabricated/libelous claims ferment. Its no wonder the site got shut down.

I agree with Free Speech, but DBS let their members yell Fire in a crowded theater.

Sorry you lost your posts (actually, they are still there, if your posts were lost, you would see a 404 page.. .and even then, the database might be saved.. Robb just placed the board offline from the admin control panel, mods and admin can still see the full board.. we can do the same thing here...). Feel free to invite your DBS friends here if they wish to discuss... well... anything.

Exclude Lib... from the posts i read of him.. .he appears to be 15 years old and cannot have an adult conversation without attacking his opponent... (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Ah,...forgive me, I overstated "Your" poster(s) that took part in the 9/11 fray at DBS, I recall seeing a few post of "podoherty76" that were as bad as any posted by the "J.REFers" or DBS regulars and as a point, I was not engaged in any of the 9/11 threads but I like everyone else there could not help but notice them as it was like an explosion taking place in a small room.

Sorry if I took it out on your forum, obviously I spoke from emotion.

I find it interesting that your people would be predicting the demise of DBS, I had posted in a thread when DBS started getting flooded with new posters interested only in the 9/11 threads that it could lead to the board being shut down but everyone save one or two only laughed at such a possibility, I guess their not laughing now that it has been shut down.

I checked the threads over at "J.REF" AND 'Lib' seems to think that DBS is offline because "Ottenhoff" didn't renew the Domain name.

See: <a href="http://govtloyalistsite.org/showthread.php?p=6109680" target="_blank">http://govtloyalistsite.org/showthread.php?p=6109680 </a> #108

The only thing wrong with that bit of thinking on Lib's part is that the DBS registry is good through March 2015, it was updated on March 30, 2010, so Lib is either lying or he is poorly misinformed or he is really playing dumb.

I looked up the DOMAIN INFO, just the basics mind you but you can see that the registry seems to be up to date, last updated on March 30, 2101 and good through March 2015, so it looks like DebateBothSides.com was shut down intentionally for some reason by Ottenhoff.

About: www.http:/DebateBothSides.com

Registrant:
Ottenhoff, Robb
Ottenhoff Consulting, LLC
11554 Stoney Brook Ct.
Beaumont, CA 92223-8029
US

Domain Name: DEBATEBOTHSIDES.COM
IP Address: 38.119.57.75 (ARIN & RIPE IP search)

Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
Ottenhoff, Robb
Ottenhoff Consulting, LLC
11554 Stoney Brook Ct.
Beaumont, CA 92223-8029
US
310-691-8154 fax: 310-861-8898


Status: client Transfer Prohibited
Update Date: 30-Mar-2010
Record expires on 24-Mar-2015.
Record created on 24-Mar-2006.

Domain servers in listed order:

NS3.OTTENHOFF.NET
NS4.OTTENHOFF.NET

Isn't that interesting?

Oh,..I agree with you 100% about DBS not being moderated, that's one of the reasons why it attracted the people that where the regulars there like myself, we understood the very loose rules there and played by them but DBS was not for everyone, I equated it to a Rodeo put on by Dwarf Clowns, you had to know the flavor of the tea so to speak to enjoy it.

No worries about my post there, if the DBS forum is ever resurrected they may return OR NOT, who knows, it's a crap shoot.

'Lib' acts the way he does because I believe he was locked into the mindset at DBS and use to the CRAZY Left and Right posters there, for some reason he seemed to loose it over the 9/11 truth issue, I know that he personally knew someone that died in one of the towers, that might have something to do with his denial of an obvious cover up, I donno.

Well, It's here I've got to get off this thing and get some sleep, chat with you later Rob.

Lou.

Note: Sorry, that J.REF link didn't work, trying it again,....

http://govtloyalistsite.org/showthread.php?p=6109680"]http://govtloyalistsite.org/showthread.php?p=6109680

Note: Sorry,I don't know why that link won't go in, it's working fine from my copy in my browser, donno? (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

One more time,.... http://govtloyalistsite.org/showthread.php?p=6109680 ,............You may have to paste it into your browser but this one works, I checked it.

See 'Lib's' post #108

WTF???

That link changes evey time I try to post it, it's "WRITE PROTECTED" or something,..what the HELL?

OK,... I'll type the whole thing out then,....http://govtloyalistsite.org/showthread.php?p=6109680

Nope, it will not go in the right way,.. what's up with the tricky J.REF links anyway? (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

That's it, I've had enough of this STRANGE BS.

This post has been edited by Lou: Jul 11 2010, 02:00 AM

[rob balsamo]

lol...

Check the date on the post made by Lib. The renewal claim he made was during the last shut down.

CODE

http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=5770610&postcount=108

(copy/paste the above to your browser)

[amazed!]

Sounds plausible to me Rob.

No doubt, the ice those clowns were skating on was getting thinner and thinner every day.

[Lou]

Hey guys,...sorry I didn't catch the old date on"Lib's"post, my mistake, I'm just not use to jumping around from site to site trying to find out what the Hell is going on, I should just back off all of this as I'm just not up to speed on any of it or who the main players are, what's gone on in the past,...etc.

I sure don't like "Links" being manipulated by anyone like that "J.REF" link I was trying to put in my post last night, in my opinion anyone that messes with links is just playing some DEVIOUS game, what's the point?

Anyway, I don't care for any of this 9/11 truth Vs.Debunker(s) ongoing battle, it's not my thing at all so I'm just going to go on my merry way and leave you to it, if there is a petition you would like me to sign regarding a new, independent 9/11 investigation please send me an email, I'll be glad to support it. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif)

Take care all,

Lou.

[pdoherty76]

What exactly did I say at DBS that was so bad? My main contribution there was to challenge, over several months, the JREFers there to a wtc7 debate, which they all fled from of course.

To try and blame this forum is ridiculous. I joined here in 2006 and have only ever made 3 posts. The main place I posted was the loose change forums.

Lib messed up the DBS forum. I am very sad that it has gone.


I think the main culprit wrt the 911 stuff was Ron Wieck. He is obsessed with Rob Balsamo to the point where he started posting libelous stuff about him. It wouldn't surprise me if Ron was told by his handler to get the forum shut down.....

This post has been edited by pdoherty76: Jul 11 2010, 04:26 PM

[amazed!]

Ain't no big thing, Pdo! (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Lou, you can sign a petition for a new investigation over at AE911Truth.org

[Aldo Marquis CIT]

Lou,

Changing the link to J.REF is like changing a link that takes you to a caning site; they're both the same.

You leave them feeling dirty and violated.

[onesliceshort]

Lou,

Changing the link to J.REF is like changing a link that takes you to a caning site; they're both the same.

You leave them feeling dirty and violated.

(IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I still feel dirty...

PS. Ron? That is NOT a sexual reference. I do NOT want that sort of "cleansing".
I prefer to wash myself with good old fashioned soap.

[scott75]

(IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I still feel dirty...

PS. Ron? That is NOT a sexual reference. I do NOT want that sort of "cleansing".
I prefer to wash myself with good old fashioned soap.

I did a little digging, found the following post from Ron (good old google cache). I think it may be the truth. From Ronald Wieck's post on March 8, 2010 in the Debate Both Sides forum:

People will buy all sorts on the internet. There was a guy in italy recently who was caught trying to buy child snuff movies from a russian. Its nasty but the world is a nasty place.

There is of course a chance that this is a misunderstanding but you aren't doing gary any favours with the conflicting excuses.

There are no conflicting excuses. Originally, I thought that Balsamo had manufactured the hoax. It now appears that a guy who calls himself "Tony Holt" really did post an ad giving the same PO box number as Gary Popkin's. Holt claims he inverted the last two digits. All we know about Holt is that he says he hasn't sold any copies of his video and we can see that he has now inverted the last two digits again. Gary says he checked with postal authorities to make sure that nobody else had been assigned his PO box number. He states that he has never received any mail addressed to "Tony Holt."

For his part, Gary is done with this. He has no opinion on how Balsamo or his stooge made the connection between his PO box and Holt's ad. I don't understand it either, but am attempting to find someone at Google who can explain.

Yes, the world is a nasty place, but the market for Holt's video is ridiculously small. It is hardly astonishing that he can't sell it to anyone.

To be sure, there have been people that didn't buy this. From the same google cached page:

It's not very likely that someone who's spent hundreds of dollars maintaining a PO Box over the years would publish it incorrectly in the ONE and ONLY place they have it listed; it's improbable anyone would then FAIL to notice they transposed the numbers for over two years.

First of all, is there any evidence that Tony Holt and Gary Popkin are the same person? And even if they're one and the same person, it doesn't follow that he couldn't have inverted the PO Box anyway. As to why Tony Holt may have inverted the PO Box numbers, who knows, but I'm fairly sure this isn't that uncommon. Perhaps he was nervous about putting the ad up. Perhaps he has dyslexia. Perhaps both. There's also no reason to believe that the only thing he used the PO Box for his video ad alone.

It seems to me that the person who tried the most to figure out what really happened was Ronald Wieck himself. He actually apparently -found- Tony Holt by some method and also found out what had really happened. Perhaps it's all a lie by Ronald, but I think it would make sense that if he's innocent of what he's been accused of, he might well go to a lot of trouble to clear his name.

This post has been edited by scott75: Jul 16 2010, 10:45 AM

[Aldo Marquis CIT]

There goes Scott to the rescue (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Thanks Mr. Mediator for defending Ron Weick! Lame.

[scott75]

There goes Scott to the rescue (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Thanks Mr. Mediator for defending Ron Weick! Lame.

I've found that I've gotten respect from both sides of debates because I look for the truth in all instances, not just when it's convenient.

[Domenick DiMaggi...]

I've found that I've gotten respect from both sides of debates because I look for the truth in all instances, not just when it's convenient.

ohhhh the sewer rats respect you.

congrats.

(IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/laughing1.gif)

[scott75]

ohhhh the sewer rats respect you.

congrats.

(IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/laughing1.gif)

I don't see Ron that way, and neither does Tony Szamboti. Tony, who I consider a friend, is a mechanical engineer with a good understanding of structural engineering and has authored a paper with Steven Jones and others. He was on Ron's Hardfire show debating Ryan Mackey; the debate is still viewable on youtube. Perhaps Ron can never be brought into the truth movement, but the fact that he's willing to give significant airtime to people are in it is definitely better then the mass media.

This post has been edited by scott75: Jul 18 2010, 09:37 AM

[amazed!]

Ronald Weick is one of 3 or 4 rabid slobs over there. He is the worst of them, no doubt.

It's funny they've closed down that site, "the fora". (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/laughing1.gif)

[WilliamRea]

Anyone know the background to the DBS shutdown and if it will come back again?

[amazed!]

Not I, William.

Perhaps their position was untenable, and it finally sunk through their thick skulls?