History and the "Elite", Sanders, elreb, Quest Options

[elreb]

Amazing amount of info in here. Really enjoying it.

I’m starting to have new thoughts on the “Latin” Italic languages somehow being connected…like Spanish, Portuguese, French and Italian.

I’m wondering about connections to the Gauls, Kelts and Veneti…in pre Roman times…

[Sanders]

I’m wondering about connections to the Gauls, Kelts and Veneti…in pre Roman times…

Yeah, there shouldn't be that much homogeneity.

As much as I'd really like to know the real truth of the world's history,

Not quite knowing but being left all these clues, and us trying to figure it out is probably far more fun.

[elreb]

As much as I'd really like to know the real truth of the world's history,

Brother Sanders,

In my brain…I teach the “Real” history…as I see it…

My brother Jimmy tells me that I am the only person on this planet that thinks the way I do…

And that alone should tell you something…

You are as close…as they come…to becoming a Master…in the Philosophy of the past… existence, knowledge, values, reason, mind, and language…[So far]

Welcome to my “World”…

[Sanders]

I'm just CURIOUS.

Hey, they say that curiosity killed the cat ... I think it was the 'bad guys' that came up with that sound-bite.

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[elreb]

I'm just CURIOUS. Hey, they say that curiosity killed the cat ... I think it was the 'bad guys' that came up with that sound-bite.

They also say cats have nine lives...

[Sanders]

3, 7, 9 and 13 ... those seem to be the favorite numbers. The "trinity", 3 sided objects make up all those pyramids and "sacred geometrical" shapes, the 7 planetary spheres ~ chakras, and the 13 constellations (including draco) - but I never got where the "9" came from, other than that there were 9 original Templars.

[elreb]

3, 7, 9 and 13 ... those seem to be the favorite numbers. The "trinity", 3 sided objects make up all those pyramids and "sacred geometrical" shapes, the 7 planetary spheres ~ chakras, and the 13 constellations (including draco) - but I never got where the "9" came from

It may relate to the Seven Souls of man but got changed to nine.

You also had the Ba, Ka, and Ankh as a triple soul and you have three lives therefore nine actions…

[elreb]

I think there is a lot in this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragons_in_Greek_mythology

A Drakon seems to be more of a Serpent…as in the snake of the garden of Eden/Oden…

This is good too…

Clad in a breastplate of fish-hooks, Zeus gave himself up, of his own free will, to the Drakon, convinced that having done so he would, though destroyed himself...proved the destroyer of the monster. This is why the Zeus has been surnamed Savior.

This is perfect for Sanders..."

[Sanders]

Wow - never stumbled onto that one! ... Fish hooks!?!

[elreb]

Wow - never stumbled onto that one! ... Fish hooks!?!

Sanders…the following plays into “Perseus" - “Cyrus” song and dance…and all the Messiah…Crock fat…we talk about…

THESPIAE

[9.26.6] Taking a turn left from the Cabeirian sanctuary, and advancing about fifty stades, you come to Thespiae, built at the foot of Mount Helicon. They say that Thespia was a daughter of Asopus, who gave her name to the city, while others say that Thespius, who was descended from Erechtheus, came from Athens and was the man after whom the city was called.

[9.26.7] In Thespiae is a bronze image of Zeus Saviour. They say about it that when a dragon/drakon once was devastating their city, the god commanded that every year one of their youths, upon whom the lot fell, should be offered to the monster. Now the names of those who perished they say that they do not remember. But when the lot fell on Cleostratus, his lover Menestratus, they say, devised a trick.

[9.26.8] He had made a bronze breastplate, with a fish-hook, the point turned outwards, upon each of its plates. Clad in this breastplate he gave himself up, of his own free will, to the dragon, convinced that having done so he would though destroyed himself, prove the destroyer of the monster. This is why the Zeus has been surnamed Saviour. The image of Dionysus, and also that of Fortune, and in another place that of Health . . . But the Athena Worker, as well as Wealth, who stands beside her, was made by. . . .

[9.27.1] XXVII. Of the gods the Thespians have from the beginning honored Love most, and they have a very ancient image of him, an unwrought stone. Who established among the Thespians the custom of worshipping Love more than any other god I do not know. He is worshipped equally by the people of Parium on the Hellespont, who were originally colonists from Erythrae in Ionia, but to-day are subject to the Romans.

[9.27.2] Most men consider Love to be the youngest of the gods and the son of Aphrodite. But Olen the Lycian, who composed the oldest Greek hymns, says in a hymn to Eileithyia that she was the mother of Love. Later than Olen, both Pamphos and Orpheus wrote hexameter verse, and composed poems on Love, in order that they might be among those sung by the Lycomidae to accompany the ritual. I read them after conversation with a Torchbearer. Of these things I will make no further mention. Hesiod, [Hes. Th. 116 foll.] or he who wrote the Theogony fathered on Hesiod, writes, I know, that Chaos was born first, and after Chaos, Earth, Tartarus and Love.

[elreb]

I had originally hope to correct the18th dynasty stuff to 600 BC and put things in order there first…

but now I'm getting request to align Solomon and David into the puzzle…

As I have stated before…it is complex…yet simple…

You first have to clean out your mind and see reality without predigest…

And let the story flow…

[elreb]

Breaking down the complexity of post-Abraham Israel may help understand how the 17th, 18th and 19th dynasties of Egypt were more or less one dynasty.

Part 1 is to demonstrate how big this family really was then I’ll get into details.

First issue is to stop using the word “Egypt” and start using first “Nilus”. From here we have Mitzraim for the northern delta area and Kush or Theban for the southern or upper land area.

West of “Nilus” was called Libya and East of “Nilus” was called Arabia.

Lord of the two lands was more relative to Sumer/Babylon being one land and Nilus being the other land.


Israel United:

Reuben
Simeon
Levi
Judah
Issachar
Zebulun
Dan
Naphtali
Gad
Asher
Joseph [Ephraim & Manasseh]
Benjamin

Northern Kingdom: Reuben, Issachar, Zebulun, Dan, Naphtali, Gad, Asher, Simeon, Joseph [Ephraim and Manasseh]

Southern Kingdom: Judah, Benjamin

We first note that the division from Northern Kingdom and Southern Kingdom are the same as the divisions of “Nilus”.

We second note that the Northern Kingdoms were those of the House of Joseph whose sons were of Royal Egyptian blood.

Now Saul on the other hand was of the House of Benjamin and called son of Kish which most likely was son of Kush. He became the House of Saul.

David was of the House of Judah and called son of Yisay. He became the House of David.

To start with…a simple breakdown, the alleged founder of the 18th dynasty was Ahmose 1 and we understand that Saul married Ahinoam, daughter of Ahimaaz. They had four sons and two daughters. The sons were Jonathan, Abinadab, Malchishua and Ish-bosheth [Seqenenre Tao II] their daughters were named Merab and Michal.


The experts would have you believe that Ahmose 1 was the son of Seqenenre Tao 2 but in reality Seqenenre Tao 2 was “Ish-bosheth” the son of Saul. This would most likely make Ahimaaz = Ahmose 1 because it is also spelled Amasis.

(IMG:http://mindcontrolblackassassins.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/aa-seqenenre-tao-ii.jpg) Now when they came into the house, as he lay on his bed in his bed-chamber, they smote him, and slew him, and beheaded him, and took his head, and went by the way of the Arabah all night.


David had seven brothers and he was the youngest.

Jesse begot Eliab, Abinadab, Shimea, Nethanel, Raddai, Ozem, and David the seventh. [also Elihu] Now their sisters were Zeruiah and Abigail.


David had eight known wives, although he appears to have had children from other women as well:

* Michal, the second daughter of King Saul was first married to another man
* Ahinoam of Jezreel
* Abigail, previously wife of the evil Nabal
* Maachah
* Haggith
* Abital
* Eglah
* Bathsheba, previously the wife of Uriah the Heth [Uriyah ha Chiti]

In his old age he took the beautiful Abishag into his bed for health reasons.

As given in 1 Chronicles 3, David had sons by various wives and concubines; their names are not given in Chronicles.

By Bathsheba/Tuya, his sons were:

* Shammua
* Shobab
* Nathan a prophet
* Solomon = Ramses II [Sun] = Ahmose II [Moon]

His sons born in Hebron by other mothers included:

* Amnon [Amun] was the progeny of David and Ahinoam
* Daniel was the progeny of David and Abigail
* Absalom was the progeny of David and Maachah
* Adonijah was the progeny of David and Haggith
* Shephatiah was the progeny of David and Abital
* Ithream was the progeny of David and Eglah

His sons born in Jerusalem by other mothers included:

* Ibhar
* Elishua
* Eliphelet
* Nogah
* Nepheg
* Japhia
* Elishama
* Eliada

According to 2 Chronicles 11:18, another son was born to David who is not mentioned in any of the genealogies:

* Jerimoth

David also had at least one daughter, Tamar, progeny of David and Maachah and the full sister of Absalom, who is later raped by her brother Amnon [Amun].

[elreb]

Food for thought

At the time of Ahmose 1…Thebes rebelled against the Hyksos [Semitic people] who he in turn expelled. His mother was Ahhotep 1. [?Ahinoam, mother of ?Ahimaaz].

Saul and David fought Amalek…Amalekites chief of Edom [Semitic people], Amalek whose mother was Horite [Horus]

Solomon’s enemy was Hadad chief of Edom [Semitic people]

Ramses II fought the Amorite, Amar [Semitic people]

Humm…Amar = Amalek = Hyksos = Semitic people

In the time of Nebuchadnezzar II the Edomites helped plunder Jerusalem and slaughter the Jews.


PSS: For anyone who watched NatGeo…unknown man "E" aka “Screaming Man” is Apries who was defeated by Ahmose II.

[elreb]

I will also post to Sanders:


More food:

Jeroboam was born the son of Nebat, an Ephrathite [House of Joseph] from town of Zereda whose mother's name was Zeruah. Nebat may be a Nabu…of the Nabopolassar or Nebuchadnezzar family like Nabonidus who were connected to the temple of the moon-god Sîn in Harran. Harran was the home town of Abraham.

[Zereda, Zererath, could Xereda = Xerxes.

King Ay/Hystaspes begot Darius/Horemheb who begot Xerxes/Zerxes.


Jeroboam (yarobh`am; Hieroboam [Horemheb] commonly held to have been derived from riyb and `am, and signifying "he pleads the people's cause.

He was the first king of the break-away ten tribes or Northern Kingdom of Israel, over whom he reined twenty-two years. He was the son of a widow of Zereda, and while still young was promoted by Solomon to be chief superintendent of the "burnden", the bands of forced laborers.[Temple builders] After the death of Solomon he fled to Mitzraim.

[Sanders]

You're posting, I'm / we're - listening.

Great stuff.

I only say that at this juncture because I know how it feels, sitting somewhere along the rise of a mountain of information which, as much as anyone would be interested to understand, it's a pretty tall mountain. To just post it or e-mail it to interested parties/friends, it's just not possible. It takes almost as much time/posts to divulge it as it does to digest it (more). One has to pay attention and read along ... and let it filter in (and push back on prior impressions) ... and then hunker down.

It's a struggle, I admit. But thanks ... for the bread crumbs (really BIG breadcrumbs!!!!).

[elreb]

It's a struggle, I admit. But thanks ... for the bread crumbs (really BIG breadcrumbs!!!!).

It is indeed a struggle for me. Watching “NatGeo” this weekend almost made me sick.

The experts do more harm…than good by confusing things even more…with their personal take on their perception of imaginary events.

In science and engineering, students attempt to correct mistakes of the past…not agree with them.

But in history, teachers are content with “We just don’t understand” or “We can’t explain it” for fear of loss of “Tenure” with senior positions and support in being published.

[Sanders]

elreb, have you watched my 'Urokomovie' part 6? The Edward G. Griffen interview with Norman Dodd? - the 'foundations' (Carnegie, Rockefeller, Peabody, Ford, Guggenheim) decided to get control of the content of the American educational system. Back in the 20's !!! It's in the minutes.

[elreb]

Have you also seen the movie “Fat Head” that debunks “Super-Size me”?

Tom Naughton shows how the U.S. government manufactures results out of thin air, in order to support their constituents.

Then publish

HEROIC GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS TRY TO SAVE HELPLESS [fat, ignorant] AMERICANS — GREEDY CAPITALISTS OPPOSED.

[Sanders]

....shows how the U.S. government manufactures results out of thin air...

That's why us smokers can't smoke anymore - supposed '2nd-hand-smoke' is a problem (findings were concocted/fudged). Or, they're out to protect our health (if you're so concerned with our health, why do you blow up buildings with people in them!!!???").

Arghghgh.

[elreb]

Arghghgh.

SANDERS...

We know that Jason of the Argonauts had a relationship with Medea which is Mada or the “Medes”...starting close to Colchis.

Jason came from the Phoenician Argos/Volos in Magnesia/Thessaly.

About the same time we have “Sargon” [722-705] a Semitic person coming to power.

All of this...got me to wondering about the parent tribe to the Akhmin Dynasty...who were the “Pasargadea” tribe.

Was it “Pa-Sarga-dea” or “Pas-Arga-dea” = Sargon or Argo?

Azu-pir-Anu ? Arzawa Western Anatolia ? Pa phl agonia