Wtc7 Southwestern Area, Source of smoke? Options

[onesliceshort]

What can we make from the following?

Records indicate that on September 3rd at 5:16 am and on September 5th at 13:52 pm the alarms were set off in B7 apparently by construction.

The West Broadway Subway was only 5 feet from the East wall of B7. This is the area where we find damage to the Subway.

B7 was moved in a Westward direction away from the subway.

WTH??

I was just reading about the alarm system this afternoon. Check this out.

http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/6745/imageeup.jpg


The fire alarm history tape record is read from the bottom to the top. Some entries occur as the result of normal operations, and others are the result of actions taken by operators. The bottom line of the record shows that at 6:05:01 a.m. on September 11, 2001, the fire alarm system completed a normal communications check with the central monitoring station. This check was made every day.
At 6:47:02 a.m., AFA placed WTC 7 in a “TEST: ALL” condition. This was normally done in response to a request from the building manager. Ordinarily, it was requested when maintenance or other testing was being performed on the system, so that any alarms received from the system were considered the result of the maintenance or testing and were ignored. NIST was told by AFA that for systems placed in the TEST condition, alarm signals were not shown on the operator’s display, but records of the alarm were recorded into the history file.
At 6:47:03 a.m., the record includes an explanation of the request to put the system in the TEST condition. Continuing to read from bottom to top, the date and time the system was placed in TEST was recorded. In this case it was 091101 647 (6:47 a.m., September 11, 2001), and the system would have automatically gone back to normal monitoring after eight hours, a system default value, at 091101 1447 (September 11, 2001, 2:47 p.m.). On the next line above, “RIC” identifies the AFA operator; 4210 is a code number for the “PLACE ON TEST” message. CAT:11 indicates the authority of the person requesting the action, identified in the next line as Williams. Records indicated that the building alarm system was often placed on test.
At 10:00:52 a.m., a fire condition [1510 CO TO CLASS E] was indicated in WTC 7. The *T at the right end of that record indicates that the system was in TEST at the time. The alarm record also shows that the fire condition was in AREA 1. NIST has been told by AFA that AREA 1 was not a specific area within the building, but referred to the entire building. In other words, a fire detected in any fire alarm zone in the building would have resulted in the same AREA 1 identification at the monitoring station. The time, 10:00:52 a.m., is shortly after the collapse of WTC 2. NIST could not determine whether this fire alarm was triggered by smoke from a fire or by dust entering smoke detectors. None of the interviews conducted by the Investigation Team contained any mention of an alarm received at the Fire Command Station.

At 2:47:21 p.m. and 2:47:22 p.m. (14:47:21 hr and 14:47:22 hr), at the time the eight hour “TEST: ALL” condition was set to expire, additional actions were recorded that ended in an operator (DYJ) entry to “FULL CLEAR.” Since there were several large fires in the building at this time (Section 5.6), it appears that either the building alarm system was not functioning after about 2:47 p.m. (and probably after
10:01 a.m.), or that the offsite monitoring system or its link to WTC 7 was incapacitated in some way.
A much greater amount of information would have been collected and recorded by the fire alarm equipment within WTC 7. None of that information was recovered from the building systems, which were destroyed in the collapse. Typically, and in the case of WTC 7, specific fire information beyond the fact that a fire condition has been detected is rarely sent to the monitoring site.

There was also this

The caissons were socketed (seated) in the bedrock, approximately 60 ft below the surface. There were vertical caissons as well as battered (or sloped) caissons to carry the lateral load. Above the caissons were heavy grillages composed of built up steel girders. Grillages transferred loads between the building columns and the caissons.

And of course columns 79, 80 and 81 running along the east face

http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/748/imagezgy.jpg

That info blew me away guys. Excellent digging!

[kawika]

Here's an interesting snippet from the NIST Report



This is a different timeframe (before 2pm) but are these the same "law enforcement officers"?

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/9796/imagekfyl.jpg

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/65/imageavt.jpg

And has anybody ever heard about dogs being killed or kept in the WTC7 basement?

Photos show civilians. I cannot see any officers there. Cannot tell what time this was either.

I think they meant WTC6 basement where Customs was. WTC7 has no known basement. There was no collapse at WTC7 until after 5:20. They probably did enter the WTC6 basement through the WTC7 truck ramp.

[elreb]

And has anybody ever heard about dogs being killed or kept in the WTC7 basement?

What basement?

There was no basement!

[onesliceshort]

Photos show civilians. I cannot see any officers there. Cannot tell what time this was either.

I think they meant WTC6 basement where Customs was. WTC7 has no known basement. There was no collapse at WTC7 until after 5:20. They probably did enter the WTC6 basement through the WTC7 truck ramp.

Oh yeah, they've civilian clothes but what would civilians be doing in that area?

I timed those and other images at around 1pm if the FDNY/OEM reports are to be believed

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10805411

And NIST mentioned the "basement". The "dog" story sounds contrived to me.

[SanderO]

There was a ramp which went below Vesey street under WTC 7. It might have had some basement spaces adjacent to the ramp... but not under the sub station for sure.

[elreb]

I think they meant WTC6 basement where Customs was.

This is the correct answer.

Kawika knows more than most...

[onesliceshort]

There was a ramp which went below Vesey street under WTC 7. It might have had some basement spaces adjacent to the ramp... but not under the sub station for sure.

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/9862/200719852.jpg

http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/2897/200719853.jpg

There was a lot of activity around the eastern face.

This post has been edited by onesliceshort: Jul 9 2012, 04:55 PM

[elreb]

It might have had some basement spaces adjacent to the ramp...

Photo images do not show any basement under Vesey Street.

This is pure hog wash!

[onesliceshort]

Photo images do not show any basement under Vesey Street.

This is pure hog wash!

Doh! I read that wrong. The images were meant to show a possible route to WTC6 under Vesey Street. Not a basement lol.

[SanderO]

The dog story sounds like a fish tale.. but perhaps they were referring to vaults under the street as a basement. Many buildings have these vaults under sidewalks etc. And I imagine PANY got all sorts of things going for them. The ramp penetrated the top of the north wall of the bathtub and connected to the WTC basements and service elevators. There is so much rubbish information about it's hard to know what was actually there.

There is a fair amount of missing structural information about how the sub station structure was spanned. It was not penetrated by columns and one can see some of the towers columns just outside the concrete walls of the sub station. But the sub station had quite a large foot print and so there had to be some serious 3D truss structures spanning it. My hunch is that the FEMA depiction of 3 transfer trusses is not the whole story. The drawing makes no sense. Something is missing.

[elreb]

OSS,

Dog story and magic basement under Vesey Street…

I’m sure that “SanderO” has drawings, photos and reports to support his hunch.

He appears to be the “fish tail”!

[onesliceshort]

OSS,

Dog story and magic basement under Vesey Street…

I’m sure that “SanderO” has drawings, photos and reports to support his hunch.

He appears to be the “fish tail”!

(IMG:http://www.geekazon.com/images/AlQaedaSecretBase.jpg)

Who needs explosives when you have 40 "Al Qaeda" living under Vesey Street with axes

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[SanderO]

Since you are having a hard time locating all the drawings of the structure and NIST and PANY is not being helpful and there are clearly all sorts of rumors floating around like dogs and so forth... I am not going to look for evidence of something I think is nonsense. I made a statement that many building in NYC have *vaults* below the sidewalk. I know this from experience working on these buildings. Whether there were or weren't seems irrelevant in any case to any collapse. The focus must be on the structural aspects which had a 44 story steel frame build over a sub station with no axial loads carried straight down through the sub station.

[elreb]

Who needs explosives when you have 40 "Al Qaeda" living under Vesey Street with axes (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I do believe you have solved the mystery.

Osama bin Laden was living under Vesey Street using a Traxxas remote control to fly the planes.

He had agents disguised as dogs with collar cameras.

They eventually blew a hole in the subway and made good their escape to New Jersey.

[elreb]

Since you are having a hard time locating all the drawings of the structure and NIST and dogs and so forth... I am not going to look for evidence of anything...

While “Ol Yeller” was running his mouth…I just received a letter from “NIST”.

They are processing my request for Mechanical/Electrical/Plumbing/Fire Protection drawings for WTC7.

“CowardO” is a distraction to Action!

[onesliceshort]

Nice one elreb!

Just to clear up an earlier post of mine on this thread:

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But there was definitely something dramatic happening in the last hour on the lower floors or to the northwest area of the building before WTC7 fell. 

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/9052/imageaua.jpg

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/2921/imagejqa.jpg

http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/5738/imageilck.jpg

Edit: Correction for the source of black smoke pointed out at the north face in the three images above. It's apparently from a burning vehicle

Author: Roberto Rabanne

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/6386/imageosv.jpg

http://i1067.photobucket.com/albums/u422/c...tu/fb04e010.jpg


Does anybody know anything about "Roberto Rabanne's" video/images?

This post has been edited by onesliceshort: Jul 10 2012, 10:58 AM

[onesliceshort]

(IMG:http://www.rebrammer.com/images/coned1.jpg)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks to me that the ConEd Substation is a masonry / block building?

Shouldn't this building or at least the masonry walls have survived, even if the steel above it failed? Any pics of the core of WTC 7 after the collapse? It would be interesting to see how much of this building was left.

ConEd generators

http://i1067.photobucket.com/albums/u422/c...tu/7efd9e97.jpg

http://i1067.photobucket.com/albums/u422/c...tu/06813a01.jpg

There appear to be intact columns in the ConEd area (first image)

[kawika]

Nice one elreb!

Just to clear up an earlier post of mine on this thread:



Edit: Correction for the source of black smoke pointed out at the north face in the three images above. It's apparently from a burning vehicle

Author: Roberto Rabanne

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/6386/imageosv.jpg

http://i1067.photobucket.com/albums/u422/c...tu/fb04e010.jpg


Does anybody know anything about "Roberto Rabanne's" video/images?

What we know about the Rabanne images is he caught a spontaneous combustion of a vehicle well after they had been extinguished and right before WTC7 came down. HMMM.

[kawika]

There are many images of the north face of WTC7, a few for the west and south and hardly any of the east.

This cannot be a coincidence.

[onesliceshort]

There are many images of the north face of WTC7, a few for the west and south and hardly any of the east.

This cannot be a coincidence.

Yep a whole lot of nothing. And not one view of the collapse from the south? Bollox.

Check this out too. The majority of crucial areas where the first fires were seen and where Columns 79, 80 and 81 run through on the east face are a void as well.

NIST obtained floor plans for the nine focus floors. However, despite the quality of the drawings and verbal descriptions obtained by NIST, there was some uncertainty regarding the nature of some spaces. Notably, the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) and American Express occupied all but the east side of the 13th floor, and NIST was unable to find people who recalled the nature of the unoccupied space.

A vault in the middle of the south side contained, among other equipment, three generators to provide emergency power for the Mayor’s Office of Emergency Management (OEM), located on the 23rd floor. The vault also contained a 1.25 m3 (275 gal) fuel tank for the generators. Approximately 650 m2 (7,000 ft2) of space on the west side of the floor had been vacated (in exchange for space on the 13th floor) in 1997. Employees of the Mayor’s Office of Emergency Management said that they were using the vacated space for storage. The people who had occupied the area between the west face and the building core had been moved to the 13th floor, and the 7th floor space had been turned over to Silverstein Properties, which intended to use it for storage. There might have been little combustible material in this space.

The U.S. Secret Service moved into WTC 7 in 1995 and, as of September 11, 2001, occupied all of the 9th floor and all but the east side of the 10th floor. Secret Service staff recollected that there had been no prior tenants, although an undated Citigroup floor plan showed some landscaping.

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/6167/imageesa.jpg

American Express occupied the southwest sector of the 13th floor. The space was mainly filled with cubicles. There was also a small bank somewhere on the east part of the south face. NIST was unable to obtain any other information regarding the occupancy of the east side of Floor 13.

More bollox. Pure horsekack.  Entire sections of rented space and "nobody knew" what or who was there?

There's a recurring theme that runs up the west face of that building

Floor 3

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Floor 4

(IMG:http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/6784/imageztbn.jpg)

(ignore the red circles)

(IMG:http://www.rebrammer.com/images/floor4.jpg)

(IMG:http://www.rebrammer.com/images/7WTC4Floor.jpg)

Floor 10

(IMG:http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/6167/imageesa.jpg)

Floor 12

(IMG:http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/4765/imageramu.jpg)

Floor 13

(IMG:http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/1817/imagevrc.jpg)

Can you see it?

There was ugly deep state activity running through that building. The corporations and brass puppets have circled the wagons without fear of investigation. Even to the point of shrugging their shoulders and mumbling "dunno" about these anomalies and lack of info on alleged "tenants" and "storage spaces" that nobody knows anything about.

Edit: Changed "there's a recurring theme that runs up the east face of that building" to west face.

This post has been edited by onesliceshort: Jul 11 2012, 04:45 PM