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Hani Hanjur Miracle Man

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post Jun 23 2014, 11:25 AM
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For a layman, I found these two quotes helpful in getting just a glimpse in to what the 9/11 aircraft manouevres allegedly carried out by supposed sim jockeys with no flight time in commercial aircraft entailed. Particularly the alleged Pentagon manouevre.

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(Nikki) Lauda judged that “these gentlemen were properly trained to fly a plane like that.” In particular, he stressed that “you have to know exactly what the turning radius of a plane like that is.........That means, these had to be fully trained 767 or 757 pilots, because otherwise they would have missed. It certainly could not be the case that some half-trained pilot tries it somehow, because then he will not hit it. That’s not so easy, coming out of a curve….If he’s coming out of a curve, then he has to know precisely the turning radius that derives from the speed of the plane in order to be able to calculate it, so that he will hit right there.”

Jauch asked which was harder to hit, the World Trade Center or the Pentagon. Lauda:“Well, what impressed me is the organization of this whole operation, since without good weather it would have not been possible at all, because then you can’t see anything. These were visual flights, using VFR [visual flight rules] as we call them. And so the World Trade Center is relatively easy to find, because it is stands out so tall…. The Pentagon is another matter again, because it is a building that is relatively flat. That means, they had to be trained well enough that they had flown around in the air in the New York area, I would speculate, so they could see the scene from above of where the building is located and how you could best reach it.” To hit a flat building like the Pentagon is “an even more difficult case” than the World Trade Center.
Lauda: “That means, to fly downwards out of a curve, and still hit the building in its core, I would have to be the best trained of all. I would speculate that a normal airline pilot would have a hard time with that, because you are simply not prepared for things like that. That means, they must have had some super-training to have been able to handle an airliner so precisely.”

The Grandpre Seminar - German TV interview



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Jere Longman of the New York Times quotes Hank Krakowski, a 737 captain who was responsible for United's flight operations on 9/11. According to Krakowski, "If the guy was a professional pilot flying all the time, it would have been possible. If he was an occasional pilot, it would have been a pretty big challenge. You can get a boat into a dock, but it's a lot harder getting a cruise ship into a dock. The problem is the mass of the machine, the energy, the feel. It doesn't have the response of a smaller plane. It has much more kinetic energy. It takes training to get a feel for that." (Longman 188)


Remember that Hani Hanjur was supposed to have carried this out. It's been shown beyond a reasonable doubt, that he (or whoever presented himself at these flight schools) was a terrible pilot:

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...?showtopic=3550


Here's the NTSB released animation of the "final manouvre" of alleged Flight 77

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzR-q0ijbV0


Remember what Nikki Lauda said:

"To hit a flat building like the Pentagon is “an even more difficult case” than the World Trade Center....That means, to fly downwards out of a curve, and still hit the building in its core, I would have to be the best trained of all. I would speculate that a normal airline pilot would have a hard time with that, because you are simply not prepared for things like that. That means, they must have had some super-training to have been able to handle an airliner so precisely."

Lauda (rightly) saw the extreme difficulty for a professional pilot striking a 5 storey, 70ft tall target (which was allegedly struck just a few inches off the ground) having come out of a high speed, high banked turn, and for the pilot to "know precisely the turning radius that derives from the speed of the plane in order to be able to calculate it, so that he will hit right there"

But did he know just how mindnumbingly narrow the path actually was that Hani Hanjur, a Cessna reject, had supposedly calculated and executed using just Visual Flight Rules? Without instrumentation?

He had a margin of error just 28ft either side of wingtip.

In total, a corridor of just 60 meters or 180 feet. Think about that. This alleged 757 aircraft, with a wingspan of 124ft supposedly flew out of a tight radius from 8000ft, accelerated from ca. 400mph to 580mph at low altitude, lined up and maintained its course with virtually no deviation whatsoever within this incredibly narrow corridor.

The aircraft that struck the towers had a slightly wider target. 208 feet.


It's recommended to watch this Pilotsfor911Truth presentation of "Aircraft Controlabillity" before reading on (particularly for laymen like myself)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEQtxTnDusk


VIRTUALLY NO MARGIN FOR ERROR AND NOT A RANDOM FLIGHTPATH:

The area that delineates this narrow corridor is the alleged entry point on to Route 27 between two overhead signs.

Remember that the aircraft was supposedly 20 - 22ft agl in accordance with the alleged lightpole damage.

http://s28.postimg.org/qrwyaptql/image.jpg

The first overhead sign is sandwiched between lightpole 1 and a ca. 80ft VDOT traffic camera mast (lightpole 1 is down in the following shot):

http://s28.postimg.org/4c5c12p59/image.jpg

Here's the same image with lightpole 1 digitally inserted:

http://s28.postimg.org/sehki7gel/image.jpg

The second overhead sign is just to the north (remember that the aircraft was supposedly 20-22ft above the bridge to the right of the image):

http://s28.postimg.org/nwf9q40ct/image.jpg


The distance between these two signs on the road is 103m/309ft

http://s28.postimg.org/rl4ypladp/image.jpg

The distance in which an alleged Boeing 757 (wingspan 124ft) had to navigate between these obstacles on the directional damage path is just 60m/180ft

http://s28.postimg.org/yzuahyw99/image.jpg


An idea of the alleged proximity of the right wing to obstacles on a 61.5° heading (directional damage path) can be seen here:

http://s28.postimg.org/ev0qci2fh/image.jpg


The significance of this? According to the alleged FDR data and directional damage path, the aircraft was basically flying "straight" for 22 seconds with only a change in heading of between 0.3° and 1.4° (see NTSB animation) and was allegedly successful in lining up what is the only conceivable path to make it to the facade without crashing in to these obstacles or flying over or to the side of them making impact a very unlikely affair.

http://s28.postimg.org/p7rmcblcd/image.jpg

Just a few feet off to the right and the aircraft would have struck the VDOT traffic camera mast and overhead sign.

To avoid the above obstacles by say, flying more to the right, which would have lined up with the south side of the Pentagon, the aircraft would not have had time to descend given that the roof of the building is almost the same level as this section of the road.

To avoid the obstacles by flying to the left, there are even more problems given that there are trees in the way

http://s28.postimg.org/fly1w0u6l/image.jpg

This is the only low level path through to the building. The only path through to the renovated section and the accountants.

And Hani did it! Miracle man.
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post Jun 23 2014, 10:05 PM
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There is no way;no way at all that the idiots could have pulled off the Pentagon caper.THERE IS NO WAY;IT DID NOT HAPPEN;let's go back to the beginning;the scene of the crime;CUBA...THE FIRST HIJACKINGS;THEN THE ARAB HIJACKINGS..IT'S ALMOST ALWAYS PLANES......I ASK YOU;WHAT IS THE LATEST EVENT INVOLVING JET PASSENGER PLANES...?INSN'T THE REAL KEY QUESTION;"[color="#FF0000"][/color]WHERE ARE THE PASSENGERS?WASN'T THE REAL PURPOSE OF 911 THE OVERTHROW OF THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT AS WE KNEW IT.....OR.THOUGHT WE KNEW?LOOK WHAT HAS HAPPENED SINCE;THE PLANES WERE NOT HIJACKED;THE COUNTRY WAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!DUMB DUMB PUBLIC.
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post Jun 24 2014, 09:29 AM
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I call him Hani The Magnificent! tongue.gif
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post Jun 25 2014, 02:32 AM
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i'd like to add - when i checked in december of 2012, this entry had been removed from the county's database, but:



-hani paid a speeding ticket less than 21 days prior to 9/11! not paying it would not have impeded his alleged terror plans,
but he paid it anyway! one might surmise that it indicates that he planned to be around - and to need his driver's license -
after 9/11/2001. consequently, it might even be a clue that hani was double-crossed and disappeared against his own will...

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post Jun 25 2014, 12:31 PM
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QUOTE (paranoia @ Jun 25 2014, 07:32 AM) *
i'd like to add - when i checked in december of 2012, this entry had been removed from the county's database, but:



-hani paid a speeding ticket less than 21 days prior to 9/11! not paying it would not have impeded his alleged terror plans,
but he paid it anyway! one might surmise that it indicates that he planned to be around - and to need his driver's license -
after 9/11/2001. consequently, it might even be a clue that hani was double-crossed and disappeared against his own will...

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And the alleged offence occurred on 8th January whistle.gif
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post Jun 25 2014, 08:08 PM
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actually thats august 1st bro! in the usa they flip the order, its month, then day.
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post Jun 25 2014, 08:25 PM
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QUOTE (paranoia @ Jun 26 2014, 01:08 AM) *
actually thats august 1st bro! in the usa they flip the order, its month, then day.
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post Jun 25 2014, 11:56 PM
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MIRAMAR, FL makes no sense. He stayed in FL beginning in 1996, then moved to CA, then AZ and bounced around all over the place.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/...ur_history.html

Would a license issued in FL still be valid five years later?

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post Jun 26 2014, 12:13 PM
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QUOTE (kawika @ Jun 26 2014, 04:56 AM) *
MIRAMAR, FL makes no sense. He stayed in FL beginning in 1996, then moved to CA, then AZ and bounced around all over the place.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/...ur_history.html

Would a license issued in FL still be valid five years later?


According to the various descriptions of him/them, ranging from "moody" to "polite" and "being a pain in the rear end" on the phone in 1996 (ie he/it could allegedly speak English) to having "little or no English" a couple of years later.

That link to the old LCF forums is well worth a read

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...?showtopic=3550

People who publically went on record remembered that Hanjur was a piss poor pilot, whether in Cessna or a simulator.

The FAA supposedly "bent the rules" for him/it on his lack of English. The same organization are the only source of his "600 hours flying time".

Mostly anonymous sources yell the shill war cry about them not doubting that all he had to do was point the plane at the building and gun it. Bull shite.





And this unbelievably tight flightpath was allegedly carried out well above the limitations of a Boeing 757 and nobody has stepped forward to claim to have seen the flightpath in question.

Miracle.



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QUOTE (paranoia @ Jun 25 2014, 01:32 AM) *
i'd like to add - when i checked in december of 2012, this entry had been removed from the county's database, but:


-hani paid a speeding ticket less than 21 days prior to 9/11! not paying it would not have impeded his alleged terror plans,
but he paid it anyway! one might surmise that it indicates that he planned to be around - and to need his driver's license -
after 9/11/2001. consequently, it might even be a clue that hani was double-crossed and disappeared against his own will...

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Excellent find paranoia!

The perps might counter that hani hadn't received his green light confirmation that he'd be participating until just after he paid the ticket, but that would be one heck of a hollow argument. smile.gif
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post Jun 29 2014, 11:23 AM
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There are other facts, which seem to show that the hijackers did not know they were going to commit “suicide” on the day of September 11, 2001. Below one of these facts:

« FBI documents contradict 9/11 Commission report. Hijacker had post-9/11 flights scheduled, files say.

The FBI timeline reveals that alleged hijacker Hamza Al-Ghamdi, who was aboard the United Airlines flight which crashed into the South Tower of the World Trade Center, had booked a future flight to San Francisco. He also had a ticket for a trip from Casablanca to Riyadh, the capital of Saudi Arabia.

Though referenced repeatedly in the footnotes of the final 9/11 Commission report, the timeline has not previously been made available to the public. The FBI timeline is dated Nov. 14, 2003 but appears to have been put together earlier (since the last date mentioned in the document is Oct. 22, 2001) and was provided to the 9/11 Commission during its 2003 investigation. The final Commission report cites the FBI timeline 52 times.

The FBI timeline reveals that Al-Ghamdi, the alleged United hijacker, was booked onto several flights scheduled for after the 9/11 attacks, a piece of information not documented in the Commission‘s final report. According to the FBI timeline, Al-Ghamdi was booked on another United Airlines flight on the very day of the attack. On page 288 under an entry pertaining to H Al Ghamdi, the FBI timeline reads: "Future flight. Scheduled to depart Los Angeles International Airport for San Francisco International Airport on UA 7950."

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/FBI_document...ssion_0228.html

Los Angeles International Airport was officially the destination of Flight 175. Apparently, when he booked the air ticket of Flight 175, which was to go to Los Angeles, Al Ghamdi did not know he was going to commit suicide, by crashing the aircraft into the south tower of the World Trade Center.







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post Jun 29 2014, 11:35 AM
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First I heard of that.

Is any more known about UA 7950? Would be interesting to see the passenger list for that flight.
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“13120429-FBI-Summary-about-Alleged-Flight-175-Hijacker-Hamza-Alghamdi.pdf”:

http://www.911myths.com/images/b/bf/131204...za-Alghamdi.pdf

Law Enforcement Sensitive HAMZA ALGHAMDI. Quote:

“09/11/2001:

1:15 pm: Future flight. Scheduled to depart Los Angeles International Airport for San Francisco International Airport on UA 7950.

[Source: UA passenger information] »

The day of September 11, 2001, this aircraft was scheduled to leave Los Angeles International Airport a few hours after the arrival of Flight 175 in the same airport. I think it will be very difficult to have the passenger list.


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QUOTE (tit2 @ Jun 29 2014, 10:23 AM) *
There are other facts, which seem to show that the hijackers did not know they were going to commit “suicide” on the day of September 11, 2001. Below one of these facts:

« FBI documents contradict 9/11 Commission report. Hijacker had post-9/11 flights scheduled, files say.

The FBI timeline reveals that alleged hijacker Hamza Al-Ghamdi, who was aboard the United Airlines flight which crashed into the South Tower of the World Trade Center, had booked a future flight to San Francisco. He also had a ticket for a trip from Casablanca to Riyadh, the capital of Saudi Arabia.


Yes this is the first I've heard of this too.
It's extremely fascinating stuff!
Thanks.


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post Jul 18 2014, 10:53 AM
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Hi Oneslice,

great to see fresh action here! I've been compiling info for a high school class on 911 conspiracies.

Is that Jere Longman book you quoted in your first post from the Jere Longman book on United 93?

Thanks,

WM

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post Aug 11 2014, 10:48 PM
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QUOTE (Wingmaster05 @ Jul 18 2014, 03:53 PM) *
Hi Oneslice,

great to see fresh action here! I've been compiling info for a high school class on 911 conspiracies.

Is that Jere Longman book you quoted in your first post from the Jere Longman book on United 93?

Thanks,

WM


Eek Wingmaster, sorry for the delayed reply. Yes, I believe it is.
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