the govt loyalist site Gls Demand Flight Path And Math Options

[rob balsamo]

From the Randite Tree Fort -

The forum will be down from 0:01 UTC December 25, 2008 (8 PM pacific, December 24) for database work.

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0:01 UTC is 8pm pacific Dec 24? Really? Are they sure its not 7pm Eastern and 4pm pacific Dec 24? Did they confuse "pacific" with "atlantic" time? They must live in Halifax or something California Dreamin'.... (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Those Randites sure do pick up on everything over there.. .huh?

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[richard cranium]

Reading your guys reply's today and "going off" on the GL's has got me smiling ear to ear. Thank you. What a great Christmas present!

Cheers (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/cheers.gif)

Happy Holidays to All!

still smiling,

rc


(dMole,the math equation especially got me laughing!)

This post has been edited by richard cranium: Dec 24 2008, 01:54 PM

[rob balsamo]

(dMole,the math equation especially got me laughing!)

Not sure how they'll analyze dMole's equation, let alone our presentation once released, when they cant even calculate a simple time zone.... (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

0:01 UTC is 8 pm pacific according to the "Educational Foundation". Too funny...

[richard cranium]

I agree! (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/laughing1.gif)

This post has been edited by richard cranium: Dec 24 2008, 02:04 PM

[dMz]

Oh hey TF, just the man I needed to see.

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Wildcat & 16.5 OK?

[dMz]

(dMole,the math equation especially got me laughing!)

Well RC, I've been trying to educate them that they need to learn to JAQ more specific questions since the ol' nicepants daze. You can lead a horse to water...

[SPreston]

What's the source on that .JPG Janusaur, as I didn't see it anywhere on that thread as of post #9. I wonder if someone can ask Reheat if that is an F-1"a lemon" Aardvark in his avatar. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

http://www.globalaircraft.org/planes/f-111_aardvark.pl

Yep. F 111 Aardvark.

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I was not aware that any of the Microsoft flight simulators included F 111s.

Has the government loyalist site been 'nuked' or something? I can't seem to get through.

This post has been edited by SPreston: Dec 25 2008, 02:24 PM

[rob balsamo]

lol... Farmer is so lost he doesnt even realize the formula we used was the same used by Reheat. He probably still thinks his one dimensional formula is the proper way to determine G load of an aircraft pulling out of a dive. By the way, wasnt he supposed to do all types of "calculus" to expose our "fantasy" math? Oh.. .thats right, he deleted his blog.... again... walking contradiction... lol

Its no surprise that Reheat is so lost as well. He doesnt even realize the adjustment to impact point reduced the radius from 12,748 to 11,010 (some of them dont even realize the adjustment as predicted) and kept the bank/ G load well within limits of a 757. As usual, he comes up with some arbitrary number (7025) unsourced. Its also clear he doesnt know how to use a Sagitta formula as we exposed him for over a year ago.

As for the "pull up"? Ask Reheat what happens when an aircraft pulls more than the required G load for a level bank. Since all our banks/speeds are under 2 G, and the GL's admit a 757 can pull 4 G (read: Mackey), what do you suppse will happen with an aircraft pulling 2 more G's than required for a level turn? Personally, i dont think they'll be able to figure it out...

By the way, Reheat can still post here under his "foxy" name. He isnt banned. But im sure he wont. He has been thoroughly exposed with his "aerodynamically impossible" BS. He will only take more of a beating showing up here.

[dMz]

On this anonymous, foxy "Reheat analysis-" for independent corroboration of P4T's scale 3D model, I imported "Reheat's" Google Earth image into my CAD program (AutoCAD compatible) for top-view graphical analysis. It would appear that AutoCAD is accurate enough to be used to design saayy... BOEINGS!

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/airports/3_view.html

"Download Three-View Drawings (plan, side and front views) of the following aircraft in AutoCAD format (.dwg or .dxf) for airport planning purposes."

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/airports/dwgs/7672.zip

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/airports/dwgs/7572.zip

More on "Reheat's" radii from his? "analysis" on the aptly-named "911 Myths" website/Wiki- when I scale to the 921-foot Pentagon wall (just as P4T did in the scaled 3D model in this presentation) in my CAD program, here are what "Reheat's" hypothetical radii looked like (all dimensions in US feet, to one decimal place):

http://flickcabin.com/public/view/full/16635

Here is the same scaled CAD drawing underlaid with "Reheat's" very own Google Earth image from his "debunk" Wiki to illustrate the turn radii required by "Reheat's" suppositions for what "Reheat" has termed "NoC1," or an approach from north of the Citgo canopy to the alleged "impact" location, marked by "Reheat's" yellow pin. Again, "Reheat's" Google Earth image is what defined my CAD drawing scale (by the included 921-foot Pentagon wall).

http://flickcabin.com/public/view/full/16636

Incidentally, I found that "Reheat's" yellow pin was 305.9 feet north of the SW Pentagon corner, where the Wikipedia, CIT, and a couple of other sources place the "impact" location at approximately 331 feet north of the SW corner. Moving this "impact" location will greatly affect the turn radius required.

I have already imported CIT's witness image into my CAD program for similar graphical analysis, but I'd like to wait and see the "debunker" reactions for a while. I'm certain that they will knee-jerk disparage the graphical analysis as a "cartoon" at least a few dozen times, since some of them already were before the presentation was even released. As always, the reader is encouraged to "do his/her own math," and a good ruler with prudent multiplication could be applied to these 2 images for independent verification.

EDIT: Before y'all whine about the "northernmost" green line in my CAD technical drawings above, I get a 14.861 degree angle between those 2 green lines (the southern one being the 61.2 degree OGCT "lightpole" heading BTW). How about you OGCT True Believer faithful go "do some math"/trigonometry and then advise as applicable...

[dMz]

Here's the simpler, visual version of what I said above (with the approximate Citgo canopy added in blue, but it was a little difficult to work with all of "Reheat's" graffiti above the Citgo location).

http://flickcabin.com/public/view/full/16705

Also, my brown Navy Annex (and the "leg" going off to "Reheat's" location for Edward Paik) drawing was something of a rush job, and not really critical to the discussion here, so weigh accordingly- I didn't use those "brown" dimensions for any of my analyses BTW.

EDIT: In retrospect, I may have pulled that southernmost green line from the VDOT tower to "Reheat impact" location rather than the OGCT SSFDR "61.2 heading," but it will make a very small, likely negligible difference here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_approximation

Reason for edit: Small angles

[dMz]

Look at those poor babies on Randi crying about the math.
...
Hint: I don't answer to you. P4T doesn't answer to you. It will get released when WE want to release the math.

Here's something to keep the OGCT True Believer faithful busy for a couple of days- why don't you go back and find/post a link to the very first person who said that and/or demanded that http://www.pilotsfor911truth.org would be providing you with anything. That should keep you busy on your errr, "lively and friendly" forum.

You know where to post your "results." (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Hey A.W. Smith, I can tell you're not reading , or paying attention to the research.

Last time I checked the Annex was a higher elevation than the Pentagon. Why would the aircraft need to pull up? How much pull up would you like
me to calculate? (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Care to give me a vertical speed, arc length and all that fun stuff so I can school you again?

Just as we predicted. We prove them wrong, then they cry. Farmer wants us to pick out some dynamic flight calculations from FDR data which
does not support the North approach....nor does it support the official government conspiracy theory. Walking contradation you are Mr. Farmer.

We require to answer your request why? So you can cry more about the colour of Morin's hair that day? (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/laughing1.gif)

Get on the phone. I'll debate you. I know a few radio programs that will broadcast us live. All these chickens with critique behind their monitors
are just blowing smoke. It's time to step up little boys.

GFL you propagandist, goalpost-shuffling Randiites. "Reheat" offered Turbofan a "flat turn" calculator and didn't ask about "pull up" (for a topographical descent [usually negative g] in 3D BTW). Although it will take time, learn to cope with it...

EDIT: Actually, "Reheat" offered to help on the "pull up" part- so see "Reheat" on that doods! [I'll edit the screencapture in here eventually, or search your own forum, as I requested 2+ days ago.]

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http://www.randi.org/forumlive/showpost.php?p=4257199&postcount=3

8th December 2008, 04:39 PM #3
Reheat
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Hey TF, Haven't replied to you in a while, but I see that I can help you out. Since you don't know how to do the math you can use this calculator to help you.

http://www.csgnetwork.com/aircraftturninfocalc.html

Once you've picked the flight path out of all of those available we'll be glad to help you with the vertical part for the pull up and over. Oh, and don't forget the South Parking lot for that "fly over" witness.

If you need any more help I'll be around this evening. In and out, but I'll be checking in periodically to see if you need more help.

You're Welcome!

P.S. "Reheat" is REEEEAAAALLL GOOOOODDDD on them circles and them radiusers!! (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Reason for edit: Reheat's DA MAN!

[dMz]

BOO!

[dMz]

and YAAAAH!

[dMz]

Merry Christmas acolytes!

EDIT: @ this "guy:"

http://www.randi.org/forumlive/customavata...atar29098_1.gif

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We actually used two bank angle formulae (as I believe in cross-checking calculations in my spreadsheets)- let us know when you find the 2nd one... Have fun playing with that LaTeX though... (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

EDIT2: Where exactly did your USAF 84 RADES forum go again, exactly??? (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

EDIT3: For the benefit of the laypersons reading this, LaTeX is a typesetting language to make written documents "look pretty." More info here:

Getting Started with LaTeX

By David R. Wilkins
2nd Edition
Copyright David R. Wilkins 1995

http://www.maths.tcd.ie/~dwilkins/LaTeXPrimer/

Have a nice day 911 files...(IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[dMz]

By the way, Reheat can still post here under his "foxy" name. He isnt banned. But im sure he wont. He has been thoroughly exposed with his "aerodynamically impossible" BS. He will only take more of a beating showing up here.

Oh whoops! I probably should have quoted this first, but I didn't. I think that "college chikky" "foxy" just disappeared one day. As a Moderator, I suppose I could look at least parts of it up, but I'd rather listen to some HENDRIX!!!

1970 Jimi Hendrix - Foxy Lady

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqQOaA2LPRo



EDIT:
If you really need to know... (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/thumbdown.gif) (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/nonono.gif)

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....756&hl=foxy

[dMz]

EDIT: Actually, "Reheat" offered to help on the "pull up" part- so see "Reheat" on that doods! [I'll edit the screencapture in here eventually, or search your own forum, as I requested 2+ days ago.]

Nice mathematical comeback there, you Illusionist-groupies. Here is one of "Reheat's" original(s), plus your recent "refutations..."

http://flickcabin.com/public/view/full/16709

http://flickcabin.com/public/view/full/16710

P.S. DON'T FORGET this part!!!

http://flickcabin.com/public/view/full/16076

Have a nice day, kids! (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[dMz]

P.S. To: JAQ-off-REF/Joke-REF ONLY, FYI:

Am I Evil? - Metallica (Live 1989)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAZYkuOMtSQ



EDIT: 2 Cor. 9:6

http://bible.cc/2_corinthians/9-6.htm

Now you're to the "reaping" part of your collective "sowing" Randiites...

EDIT2:
Google "JnodotREF JAQ off" [delete the nodot first]

"11th January 2008, 10:57 PM
A simple way to expose the JAQ-offers
--- 1337m4n
Alphanumeric Anonymous Stick Man"

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http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=103374

EDIT3: Apparently that was live in Seattle, WA. Seattle ROCKS BTW!

Reason for edit: Added links to... wellll.... something.