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9/11gate, "AA77" FDR numerology

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post Feb 24 2011, 03:37 AM
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I was looking into the "AA77" FDR record to find out how the Lat/Lon coordinates were shifted by Mr. Stutt and Legge to get the plane on the runway. So I've chosen the map closest to 2001 and I've plotted the last "AA77" landing, taxiing in, standing at the gate, taxiing out and the last takeoff:


(The numbers are numbers of subframes in the FDR and they can also serve as a timing, because their step is one second. So for example when you've frame number 145840 and frame number 145860 it means they're 20 seconds from each other. Only point when it is interrupted is when the plane stands, then the FDR is not recording - in our case at the subframe count 146180. The needed data were provided to me by Mr. Warren Stutt)

Everybody sees at the situation picture that the coordinates taken from the FDR are off.
How much off they are?
I was looking what a reference I can find for landing and I've found the point where the plane sharply turned from the runway to the taxi circuit.

From the logic of the landing, the overal visible shift and the trajectory pattern is absolutely clear where it was:


Then I've got a strange idea and I've decided to measure the distance and angle to the position where the plane quite clearly parked to and departed from the gate:


From the distance number is clear that we keep up with the perps at least numerologically... rolleyes.gif

Let's have a break and have a look what number had the gate where the "AA77" was boarded and departed. We easily find it in the Wikipedia:

"The flight boarded through Gate D26, in Midfueld Concourse D at Dulles."


or here:

"In 2001, American Airlines Flight 77, a Boeing 757, left gate D26 at Dulles en route to Los Angeles International Airport, but it was hijacked and deliberately crashed into the Pentagon as part of the September 11 attacks."


Let's yet have look into govt. documents...yep, it is there (page 29):

"Flight 77 pushed back from Dulles Gate D-26 at 8:09 A.M."


Boring. Let's go back to our little petty plots.

Now we need to measure the same distance and the same angle from the point where the plane sharply turned to the taxi circuit:


And where the line ends?
Here:


Lets look what number the gate has:

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It's not completely clear what a number the gate has - we have there two gates:
9 and 11.
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rob balsamo
post Aug 6 2011, 06:38 PM
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I have been informed that LaBtop is a bit upset (an understatement) that i suspended him for trolling and is now on a rampage at ATS attacking our work and me personally.

So let me clarify for the readers.

At no time have i claimed the data shows the aircraft departing gate D9 or 11 as LaBtop is now deceptively asserting. Tume made that claim in his original post.

QUOTE (tumetuestumefaisdubien @ Feb 24 2011, 03:37 AM) *
It's not completely clear what a number the gate has - we have there two gates:
9 and 11.


Matter of fact, if you look at the diagram i provided on our original article at our website, the picture clearly shows Gate D19 or 21, not D9 or 11 as LaBtop is deceptively claiming i said...



Also, I never claimed any specific gate for the data as it was too hard to discern an exact gate, we have only claimed in our article that the aircraft did not push from gate D26, which apparently, LaBTop agrees with, but instead, elects to attack us using deception.

As I have explained elsewhere on this forum, given that the terminal is rather narrow and there is a margin for error in IRS coordinates (I believe it's around 50 feet give or take, after being initialized and aligned, IIRC)... it's impossible to determine north or south push, but the more likely push is from the north due to airline procedure as i have explained in this thread and elsewhere and agreed upon by other verified aviation professionals.

A North push is from gate D21 or D19, a south push is from D18 or D16.

What is for certain, is that the data does not and cannot line up with a D26 push, this, once again, makes the govt story false.

Hope this helps clear up any confusion caused by an obvious disgruntled and deceptive anonymous troll nick-named "LaBTop", who clearly does not have any experience whatsoever in aviation related topics.

For those interested in reading why LaBTop was suspended and how often he is wrong, you can start here...
and it ends here with LaBTop refusing to provide evidence for his claims time and time again.
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post Aug 13 2011, 10:48 PM
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QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Aug 6 2011, 06:38 PM) *
I have been informed that LaBtop is a bit upset (an understatement) that i suspended him for trolling and is now on a rampage at ATS attacking our work and me personally.

So let me clarify for the readers.

At no time have i claimed the data shows the aircraft departing gate D9 or 11 as LaBtop is now deceptively asserting. Tume made that claim in his original post.



Matter of fact, if you look at the diagram i provided on our original article at our website, the picture clearly shows Gate D19 or 21, not D9 or 11 as LaBtop is deceptively claiming i said...



So, I've become informed LaBTop has finally admitted he knew I never claimed a D9 or D11 departure, but decided to use deception and blatant lies to attack me anyway.

Now it appears he is just upset because we feel a North push may have been more likely.

He offers this picture to continue his attacks on our analysis.



But, he conveniently omits shifting the red color coded Lat/Long position M1 to the terminal as he did the M2 yellow position.

A close up....



This is why he omitted it...



I wonder if LaBTop ever gets tired of getting caught it his blatant deceptions.... lol

As I said before....

.....given that the terminal is rather narrow and there is a margin for error in IRS coordinates (I believe it's around 50 feet give or take, after being initialized and aligned, IIRC)... it's impossible to determine north or south push, but the more likely push is from the north due to airline procedure as i have explained in this thread and elsewhere and agreed upon by other verified aviation professionals.

A North push is from gate D21 or D19, a south push is from D18 or D16.

LaBTop is throwing a fit because we show a North push. But if LaBTop would be honest, even with himself, he too would see what we have analyzed.

Seems he still has a stick up his ass because i suspended him. Poor guy... lol

Keep up the good work LaBTop... you're doing a great job of discrediting yourself with your obvious deceptive behavior.




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- tumetuestumefaisdubien   9/11gate   Feb 24 2011, 03:37 AM
- - rob balsamo   Hmmm... interesting. Must be a "magnetic dec...   Feb 24 2011, 05:03 AM
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- - maturin42   Jan - amazing work. It takes a fair investment of ...   Feb 24 2011, 06:45 PM
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- - amazed!   I think we have some circumstantial evidence that ...   Feb 25 2011, 10:12 AM
- - IslandPilot   I have difficulty understanding many of tume's...   Feb 25 2011, 08:49 PM
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- - maturin42   Islandpilot has quite a stew going there - bubblin...   Feb 26 2011, 12:49 AM
- - trimble   QUOTE Basically the above analysis shows that when...   Feb 26 2011, 08:17 AM
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- - onesliceshort   Did Stutt ever concede that he was wrong for disca...   Feb 26 2011, 11:49 AM
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|- - onesliceshort   QUOTE (tumetuestumefaisdubien @ Feb 26 2011, ...   Feb 26 2011, 05:30 PM
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- - onesliceshort   Excellent work guys!!   Feb 28 2011, 10:07 AM
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