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The Sliming Of Pilots For 9/11 Truth And Citizen Investigation Team, Michael Wolsey and Jim Hoffman call our research DISINFORMATION

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post Aug 7 2009, 01:05 PM
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First, as most of you know, I'm not around much any more. That isn't to be taken as an abandonment of the ship. I'm just trying to bring some badly needed balance back into my life after years of neglecting necessities such as finances, not to mention my physical and mental health. I'm limiting my on-line time and my involvement in political issues of any sort.

That said, it was recently brought to my attention that Michael Wolsey of Colorado 9/11 Visibility, 911truth.org, and visibility911.com and well known researcher Jim Hoffman of 911research.wtc7.net (among others) have publicly stated that Pilots for 9/11 Truth and Citizen Investigation Team are, and I quote, "a coordinated disinformation campaign" with the purpose of dividing the 9-11 movement and discrediting it with "some of the worst, most speculative and ridiculous theories about what happened on 9-11."

On August 4, 2009, Wolsey posted a lengthy introduction to a recorded MP3 interview with Hoffman conducted some time earlier. The on-line post can be found here: http://visibility911.com/blog/?p=1351 and here is a direct link to the MP3 interview: http://media.libsyn.com/media/visibility91...hoffman_cit.mp3

I am opening this thread in the debate section because I hope that it will give everyone concerned an opportunity to publicly explore this accusation regarding the purpose and nature of Pilots for Truth and Citizen Investigation Team. The debate forum is visible to guests and can be posted in by any registered member who follows the requirements listed below:

First Anyone posting in this thread MUST have READ the above link, LISTENED to the above linked MP3 and, finally, READ this July 2009 post by Jim Hoffman, entitled "Google Earth Exposes Pentagon Flyover Farce or Critiquing PentaCon (Smoking Crack Version). I also strongly suggest that anyone reading Hoffman's critique follow some of the numerous links out from that page to other supporting material.

In the above link, Wosley writes:

QUOTE (Michael Wolsey)
One of the main goals we have at Visibility 9-11 is to educate our listeners and ourselves about all aspects of the September 11th tragedy. To this end, we are taking on a more active role in addressing this important issue. In fact, we believe the issue of disinformation to be the most important issue that each of us face as 9-11 activists. As blogger Arabesque has pointed out many times, the “Official Story” is itself disinformation and must be regarded as such. Ultimately, we are the ones in the street and on the blogs and forums who will have to face the ridicule if our facts are not straight and if we are to be successful, we must learn to identify the disinformation and insert caution into your activism.

As pointed out by my guest on this program, it is agreed that central to the various themes of disinformation are the “no jetliner” claims, especially the “no 757? claims for the attack on the Pentagon. In spite of substantial resources being poured into books and videos which claim that there was no airliner crash at the Pentagon on 9-11, Jim Hoffman has published extensive work which would bring these claims into question. Careful examination of Jim’s work reveals a different picture of the Pentagon attack than the “no jetliner” advocates. We at Visibility 9-11 acknowledge that there are many valid reasons for us to believe the “no jetliner” claims. However, a closer look reveals the real possibility that the event at the Pentagon has been manipulated from the start through the use of “official” and un-offical sources.

This program takes a closer look at “Citizen Investigation Team” (CIT) and it’s biggest promoter Pilots for 9-11 Truth and their latest effort to advance the “no jetliner” theory. Their new video, National Security Alert, which is being aggressively promoted on the internet and at public events, alleges that not only did the Boeing jet not strike the Pentagon, but flew over it at the last minute in an elaborate deception that not a single witness has claimed to see, and, contradicts the testimony of hundreds of eyewitnesses in the area.

I certainly agree with Wolsey, Hoffman and many others that DISINFORMATION (defined as the intentional dissemination of false and inaccurate information) has been present in various forms from the outset of the 9/11 event, that it has played and continues to play a debilitating role in the process of both uncovering the truth about 9/11 and disseminating that truth to the wider world beyond the 9/11 Movement. However, I strongly disagree that Pilots for 9/11 Truth and Citizen Investigation Team are "a coordinated disinformation campaign." I am opening this thread here in the hopes that Michael Wolsey, Jim Hoffman and others will at least see it and participate in it directly. I will make an effort to inform them of its existence.

MOREOVER I strongly request that participants in this thread, whether long-time P4T or CIT members or new members KEEP IT CIVIL AND ON POINT. That means NO NAME CALLING and NO PERSONAL ATTACKS. I prefer that there not even be an inference of a personal attack. If you find yourself feeling angry and wishing to say something that does not speak directly to one of the many issues that could be covered in this thread, REFRAIN FROM POSTING AT ALL until you have cooled down and given cooler thought to what it is you are saying.

My hope is that by airing our differences publicly and civilly this thread will begin to bridge the divide that has existed FAR TOO LONG within the 9/11 Truth community between those who, based on their respective research, firmly believe that Flight 77 DID hit the Pentagon (or at least could have) and those who believe it DID NOT (and could not have).

Thank you for your consideration,

Michael Wells : aka painter
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- painter   The Sliming Of Pilots For 9/11 Truth And Citizen Investigation Team   Aug 7 2009, 01:05 PM
- - rob balsamo   yawn... Yet another attack campaign. Its not the ...   Aug 7 2009, 07:51 PM
|- - izzysykopth   QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Aug 7 2009, 06:51 PM...   Jan 14 2015, 04:42 PM
- - aerohead   I totally agree Rob, Real truthers try to educate...   Aug 7 2009, 08:16 PM
- - Ligon   I sent Michael Wolsey this e-mail on Aug 4: QUOTE...   Aug 7 2009, 08:22 PM
- - Sanders   QUOTE 1. The only meaningful eyewitness accounts a...   Aug 7 2009, 09:07 PM
- - Ligon   On the truth action forum Wolsey writes: QUOTE It...   Aug 7 2009, 10:02 PM
- - rob balsamo   QUOTE standard operating procedure for hijackings,...   Aug 7 2009, 10:19 PM
- - Ligon   Hoffman says so many dishonest things that really ...   Aug 7 2009, 10:30 PM
- - Ligon   40:35 QUOTE WOLSEY: Well I guess the point that I...   Aug 7 2009, 11:11 PM
- - rob balsamo   For those who wish to email Mike, michael@visibil...   Aug 7 2009, 11:21 PM
- - rob balsamo   QUOTE HOFFMAN: Yeah, I don't kn... um....... I...   Aug 7 2009, 11:32 PM
- - rob balsamo   QUOTE Pilots For 9/11 Truth "Disinformation...   Aug 7 2009, 11:50 PM
- - Ligon   Again, Wolsey said on TruthAction forum: QUOTE It...   Aug 7 2009, 11:58 PM
- - rob balsamo   Does anyone else find it funny that the people the...   Aug 8 2009, 12:00 AM
- - tnemelckram   Hoffman sez . . . . QUOTE QUOTE But again, why i...   Aug 8 2009, 04:35 AM
- - painter   Again, I request that everyone keep this civil. I ...   Aug 10 2009, 12:10 PM
- - Ligon   Good post painter. I agree. Anyway, I want to ke...   Aug 10 2009, 02:16 PM
- - Ligon   Regarding this... QUOTE [49:00-49:27] JIM HOFFMAN...   Aug 10 2009, 02:48 PM
|- - painter   QUOTE (Ligon @ Aug 10 2009, 11:48 AM) The...   Aug 10 2009, 04:46 PM
- - chek   I've been wondering how this would all play ou...   Aug 10 2009, 05:01 PM
|- - painter   QUOTE (chek @ Aug 10 2009, 02:01 PM) Thei...   Aug 10 2009, 05:44 PM
||- - chek   QUOTE (painter @ Aug 10 2009, 10:44 PM) A...   Aug 10 2009, 06:13 PM
|- - dMole   QUOTE (chek @ Aug 10 2009, 03:01 PM) Nobo...   Aug 12 2009, 04:16 AM
- - dMole   On NORAD- 25 pages' worth of forum search resu...   Aug 13 2009, 07:04 AM
- - rob balsamo   Tino, Tell us how you really feel! I hear V...   Aug 19 2009, 09:34 AM
|- - tnemelckram   QUOTE I hear Victoria Ashley (i guess she is Hoff...   Aug 19 2009, 12:25 PM
||- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (tnemelckram @ Aug 19 2009, 12:25 P...   Aug 19 2009, 12:46 PM
|- - painter   QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Aug 19 2009, 06:34 A...   Aug 19 2009, 02:31 PM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (painter @ Aug 19 2009, 02:31 PM) (...   Aug 19 2009, 03:21 PM
|- - painter   QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Aug 19 2009, 12:21 P...   Aug 19 2009, 03:25 PM
- - dMole   Here is a timeline of some notable events in Penta...   Aug 20 2009, 08:42 PM
- - aerohead   This is too funny It seems to me to be a cas...   Aug 21 2009, 03:49 AM
|- - Omega892R09   QUOTE (aerohead @ Aug 19 2009, 05:49 AM) ...   Aug 24 2009, 12:27 PM
|- - dMole   QUOTE (aerohead @ Aug 21 2009, 01:49 AM) ...   Sep 22 2009, 12:52 AM
- - aerohead   Some people dont understand that if you cant fly ...   Aug 21 2009, 12:03 PM
|- - Omega892R09   QUOTE (aerohead @ Aug 19 2009, 02:03 PM) ...   Aug 24 2009, 12:43 PM
- - painter   RE: The Sliming Of Pilots For 9/11 Truth And Citizen Investigation Team   Aug 21 2009, 12:08 PM
- - painter   At this point in Stefan's blog post from July ...   Aug 21 2009, 12:19 PM
- - painter   I return now, to the concluding sections of the or...   Aug 21 2009, 12:26 PM
- - woody   Well my take is that these gentlemen were shocked ...   Aug 24 2009, 03:18 PM
- - aerohead   Omega, Its ridiculous ! Isnt it ? And eve...   Aug 24 2009, 06:27 PM
- - Killtown   Just for the record, I think it is Jim Hoffman who...   Aug 24 2009, 06:31 PM
|- - JimMac   QUOTE (Killtown @ Aug 24 2009, 06:31 PM) ...   Aug 24 2009, 09:06 PM
- - Aldo Marquis CIT   Why were my posts deleted? Those were pretty impor...   Aug 26 2009, 02:53 PM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (Aldo Marquis CIT @ Aug 26 2009, 02...   Aug 26 2009, 03:31 PM
- - Nagelfar   The CIT video was very good, very convincing. Aft...   Sep 3 2009, 06:42 PM
- - dMole   To review: QUOTE (Arabesque @ Mon, 09/01/20...   Sep 9 2009, 02:22 PM
- - dMole   Here is an updated timeline on the activities of ...   Sep 17 2009, 06:26 AM
- - paranoia   on a related note... my 2 cents... revealing tim...   Sep 22 2009, 02:16 AM
|- - dMole   QUOTE (paranoia @ Sep 22 2009, 12:16 AM) ...   Sep 22 2009, 01:08 PM
|- - Omega892R09   QUOTE (dMole @ Sep 20 2009, 03:08 PM) Som...   Sep 23 2009, 09:53 AM
- - panthercat   http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pen.../erre...   Sep 22 2009, 03:10 AM
|- - aerohead   QUOTE (panthercat @ Sep 22 2009, 02:10 AM...   Sep 22 2009, 09:31 PM
- - onesliceshort   I found the Hoffman interview hard to stomach. Dur...   Sep 22 2009, 07:25 PM
|- - Ligon   QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Sep 22 2009, 07:25...   Sep 25 2009, 01:24 AM
- - onesliceshort   QUOTE [15:30] WOLSEY: If they can get you asking ...   Sep 25 2009, 10:41 AM


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