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Mars Rover, a piece of wood?

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post Nov 28 2008, 12:03 PM
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Have a look at these photos 2-5. They are from the mars rover. Does that appear to be a piece of wood?
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all...unity_n115.html
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post Nov 28 2008, 02:12 PM
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You may also find this next video interesting:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcR7VX-FwDY

The image you are looking for is on p.30.
Now, if you think this is just a pixilated photo, than proceed
and download a photo called "Crater Hale in perspective, looking north-west"
and "Crater Hale in Argyre basin".
These 3 pictures show the exact same geometric shapes from completely different angles, although it is clear the last two images went through some deliberate blurring process.

http://www.esa.int/esa-mmg/mmg.pl?b=b&...ss&start=30
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post Nov 29 2008, 04:21 AM
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The one looking just West is incredible,
That whole crater looks like it's full of farm land,
and very large oil tanks.

So, we are already on Mars.

figures

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post Nov 29 2008, 04:40 AM
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[The link-Nazi-apparent (in another's-absentia) sez:]

What pictures? What photos? This is just Amerikan propaganda!! wink.gif
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post Nov 29 2008, 08:35 AM
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So that is where HMS Blenheim ended up, I had often wondered.

HMS Blenheim

Thomas Troubridge

Or maybe it is a bit of the 74-gun Mars (3rd ship of Collingwood's lee column) shot off at Trafalgar whilst engaged with Fougueux and Pluton.

HMS Mars

Battle of Trafalgar 1805

Take the diagram of the position at 1200 with a pinch of salt, recent research using spreadsheets has produced improved time-lines and positional information demonstrated which has been used to produce an animated graphic.
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post Nov 29 2008, 09:05 AM
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Those patterns sure look superimposed on the crater floor.
A little too sophisticated for a space agency?

I didn't have to do anything, but enlarge the pictures,
to see these features!

They look like a patchwork of sectioned farm land, under low thin cloud.
It could also be blocks of a city.

Some may think I have strange ideas on geology,
but I can't even explain these distinct shapes, as naturally occurring.

These geometric features either exist on the surface of Mars, or
they were added to the photos and poorly obscured, intentionally.
Either way, not naturally geologically occurring.

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post Nov 29 2008, 01:31 PM
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Here is my photo analysis of the Hale Crater on Mars:



Best seen enlarged, one enlargement, was rotated and stretched,
by me, to appear from the same angle and distance, as other picture was taken. (I guesstimated)
I didn't touch the originals from the ESA, at the top.

The circuit board shapes are the same, in the two different pictures.

They are definitely real
...shapes.

imo, lunk

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post Nov 29 2008, 04:40 PM
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QUOTE (Ricochet @ Nov 28 2008, 09:03 AM) *
Have a look at these photos 2-5. They are from the mars rover. Does that appear to be a piece of wood?
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all...unity_n115.html

On the "wood" thing- I've seen desert clay do this exact thing here on Earth when it is inundated, then later baked in the sun. The "muddy" desert cracks are often filled with spiders of various degrees of nastiness, too. That one darker bit at right frame though, certainly appears like the petrified wood that I've found personally.

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all...1994R0M1-BR.JPG
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post Nov 29 2008, 05:21 PM
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I don't know about the wood,
but the pictures of Hale Crater look suspiciously simulated.

Just wondering if those two pictures could be taken from
the same 3D model, with the ground re-orientated.
and the results blurred, in one.

Look at the weird square cut tops, it's the same,
the model has just been turned and magnified, in one.

This looks like a single computer animation,
and not 2 separate images taken from a satellite.

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post Nov 29 2008, 05:32 PM
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NASA prolly should have used a fractal.

imo, d wink.gif
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I think I figured out the anomalies in the Hale crater.

The ESA built a composite model from the data taken and
took two screen shots of it from two different orientations.
The geometric anomalies were created incidentally
in the 3D composite model, and were incidentally blurred
when the orientation was changed (in a computer) for the second picture.

Both pictures were said to be taken on the same orbit,
on the same month and year, and CENTERED on the same
lat. and long!

I think I answered my questions.
These geometric shapes, in the Hale crater, are visual artifacts,
created inadvertently by the 3D rendering software used by the ESA.

...again...
...sigh...

Still not sure about the wood,
though, I have my doubts.

cheers, lunk

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post Nov 29 2008, 07:09 PM
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Hoagland had a very interesting take on NASA and Mars.

Dark Mission: The Secret History of NASA (Paperback)

http://www.amazon.com/Dark-Mission-Secret-...A/dp/1932595260

Hoagland's website:
http://www.enterprisemission.com/

Click Here: For What the Nation's Press Heard... but DON'T Want You to Know About NASA!
http://www.filmbaby.com/films/422
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post Nov 30 2008, 11:28 PM
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QUOTE (lunk @ Nov 29 2008, 02:56 PM) *
I think I figured out the anomalies in the Hale crater.

The ESA built a composite model from the data taken and
took two screen shots of it from two different orientations.
The geometric anomalies were created incidentally
in the 3D composite model, and were incidentally blurred
when the orientation was changed (in a computer) for the second picture.

Both pictures were said to be taken on the same orbit,
on the same month and year, and CENTERED on the same
lat. and long!

I think I answered my questions.
These geometric shapes, in the Hale crater, are visual artifacts,
created inadvertently by the 3D rendering software used by the ESA.

...again...
...sigh...

Still not sure about the wood,
though, I have my doubts.

cheers, lunk


It took me a while to figure the Mars pictures.
I actually thought that there might be farms (and oil tanks) in a crater on Mars.
The way the European Space Agency, portraid these pictures,
was that they were taken by its' satellite.
Not that that satellite data, was processed by a computer into a 3D model, and pictures taken of that model!
This is a perfect example of a half truth.

I still don't know about the wood,
but I think one would see signs of trees, in other pictures,
to be fortunate enough to see the chance remains, of one.

imo, lunk

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post Dec 1 2008, 01:42 AM
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I still don't know about the wood,
but I think one would see signs of trees, in other pictures,
to be fortunate enough to see the chance remains, of one.


I don't think it's wood, looks like nothing but a Mars bar without the wrapper. Nothing strange about that. It is Mars after all.
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post Dec 1 2008, 04:30 PM
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QUOTE (Timothy Osman @ Nov 30 2008, 09:42 PM) *
I don't think it's wood, looks like nothing but a Mars bar without the wrapper. Nothing strange about that. It is Mars after all.

laughing1.gif Finally someone said it! The first thing I thought of (just the Mars bar not the wrapper part nice touch T.O.) only because here we move about 10 trailer loads (I'm in the truckin' biz) of Mars products every week.
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post Dec 1 2008, 05:25 PM
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looks kinda like a circuit board....?
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QUOTE (Rickysa @ Nov 29 2008, 07:25 PM) *
looks kinda like a circuit board....?

What one of those Gym circuit boards? You know, the ones that one steps up on and off of repeatedly. laugh.gif
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post Dec 3 2008, 11:11 AM
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QUOTE (Rickysa @ Dec 1 2008, 01:25 PM) *
looks kinda like a circuit board....?


I think that the 3D modeling software,
creates a fabric, over three dimensional data points.

That skin has a design on it, I don't know, a programming reference design?

A water mark, perhaps, not meant to be seen,
but only revealed in the lightest, artificial, computer generated, shade of red,
generally, found in the lowest parts of martian craters, in computer generated
models, taken from data, from an orbiting spaceship above Mars.

That's how I picture it.
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