History and the "Elite", Sanders, elreb, Quest Options

[Tamborine man]

Don't know if this is a translation from a genuine document.

Would be rather interesting if it was, though!

Does anyone know about its origin?



THE CATHAR PROPHECY OF 1244.

It has no fabric, only understanding.
It has no membership, save those who know they belong.
It has no rivals, because it is non-competitive.
It has no ambition, and only seeks to serve.
It is not only of itself, because it seeks to enrich all groups and religions.
It knows no boundaries, for boundaries are unloving.
There is no walk of Life or nationality that is a barrier: those who are, know.

It acknowledges all great teachers of all ages, who have shown the Truth of Love.
Those who participate, practice the Truth of Love.
It seeks not to teach, but to be: and by being, to enrich.
It recognizes the whole planet as a Being, of which we are part.
It recognizes that the time has come for the supreme transmutation, the ultimate
alchemical act of conscious change of the ego into a voluntary return to the Whole.
It does not proclaim itself with a loud voice, but in the subtle realms of loving.
It salutes all those in the past who blazoned the path, but have paid the price.

It admits of no hierarchy or structure, for no one is greater than the other.
Its members shall know each other by their deeds, and being, and by the eyes.
And by no other outward sign save the fraternal embrace.
They will dedicate their lives to the silent loving of their neighbour, the environment
and the planet, whilst carrying out their tasks however exalted or humble.
It recognizes the supremacy of the great idea, which may only be accomplished
if the human race practices the supremacy of Love.
It has no reward to offer, either here or in the hereafter; save that ineffable joy
of being and loving.

Each shall seek to advance the cause of understanding, doing good by stealth and
teaching only by example.
They shall heal their neighbour, their community and our planet.
They shall know no fear and feel no shame; and their witness shall prevail over all
odds.
It has no secrets, no arcanum, no initiation, save that of true understanding of the
power of Love.
And that, if we want it to be so, the world will change, but only if we change ourselves
first.

Those who belong, belong; - they belong to the church of Love.




Cheers

[Sanders]

KP, I got curious after your post and did a little digging. the Russells can actually be traced back to Hastings and Normandy, to a Hugh de Rossel whose name appears on a charter for the Abbaye des Dames at Caen, an Abbey founded by Duke William of Normandy near the time of the Conquest. Hugh's son is assumed, and given the name Hugh as was the custom in heraldry when records were missing - you'll see on genealogy lists a question mark after names sometimes, this is what that indicates - there's a link missing.

JDA site; Hugh(?) de Rozel
http://fabpedigree.com/s096/f196968.htm

Here you can see in the 17th century the Russells link up with the Clintons
http://fabpedigree.com/s016/f378381.htm

Who link with the Morgans
http://fabpedigree.com/s036/f108197.htm

And trace eventually back to William de Tankerville, who (probably) fought with William the Conqueror.
http://fabpedigree.com/s076/f649949.htm

The Russells also link up with the Spencer and Churchill line in several places, as do the Stewarts.
From Winston Churchill going backward -
(3 Stewart marraiges on this page and one Russell)
http://fabpedigree.com/s030/f165481.htm

Charles Spencer, Prime Minister of England had a Russell for a grandmother -
http://fabpedigree.com/s092/f297297.htm

The Spencers trace back paternally to Roger II Montgomery, who fought at Hastings.
http://fabpedigree.com/s092/f751093.htm
http://fabpedigree.com/s004/f009072.htm

Churchill is another Norman line with an ancestor who fought at Hastings
http://www.houseofnames.com/fc.asp?sId=&s=churchill

That's all just playing around with the Russell line for a few minutes. By the way, some of this genealogy might be spotty and, while I like the JDA site it can be peculiar sometimes and is better not to over-trust, these families held titles and lands, and the names of landowners were all recorded in the Domesday book, commissioned by William the Conqueror.

Hope that helps ...

[Sanders]

Don't know if this is a translation from a genuine document.

Would be rather interesting if it was, though!

Does anyone know about its origin?

Somebody "dreamed" it in 1978 while laying in a meadow in french Cathar country.

http://www.fountain-international.org/origins/cathar.htm

In 1978 on a visit to Montsegur in the Cathar country of S W France, Colin Bloy had dowsed in a meadow where 300 Perfecti were burned alive in 1244. The dowsing revealed a Latin text which referred to the rebuilding of a church in Andorra in 1986. In March 1985 Colin was prompted to write the proclamation of the Church of Love - he says the words were not his - and this Church was proclaimed in Andorra on Good Friday, 28th March 1986.

[elreb]

Maps, charts and timetables are items that require updating…so I un-hinged the following page that we can use for that purpose or whatever.

http://www.suneagle1.com/suneagle4.htm

It is also easier for me to post pictures and Google earth…

Gall...Gall...Gall...

(IMG:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ca/Roman_Empire_Map.png)

This post has been edited by elreb: Aug 24 2010, 04:24 PM

[elreb]

Gallia was Celtica...it all adds up...


Not to be a plot spoiler but I have a funny feeling that “Belus” the son of Poseidon was none other than “Belgae” from Gallia Belgica, otherwise known as Belgium!

Also keep an eye on the Redones or Rhedones an ancient tribe of Gaul.




(IMG:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/ba/Map_Gallia_Tribes_Towns.png)

This post has been edited by elreb: Aug 24 2010, 08:29 PM

[Tamborine man]

Somebody "dreamed" it in 1978 while laying in a meadow in french Cathar country.

http://www.fountain-international.org/origins/cathar.htm

Thanks for the help, Sanders.

Should have thought about the 'search' meself,
but blames it on the extra glass of red!

Nice "dreaming" though.

Cheers

[elreb]

No "Dog Star" dates are used in the following...making this older than cardboard Egypt.

Celtica = Gallia

Originating around 2800 BC, as the "Beaker People" they were considered to have been very mobile and warlike folk, who occupied themselves with raising animals and conducting trade. In some discussions they were described as itinerant traders who spread the knowledge of metallurgy from western to central Europe. Their name derives from a specific form of ceramic vessel, a decorated, thin-walled, handle-less drinking cup known as a bell beaker.

In all the places where Bell Beakers appear we also see the development of metallurgy. This consisted of the working of copper and gold, where most of the objects are made from hammered sheet metal (lunulae, earrings, pins) or simple casting methods (daggers, flat axe heads, Palmela points, halberds). From a typological viewpoint one can speak of a Bell Beaker style that has a uniform character that takes in the whole of the Bell Beaker domain—a rather large area. This was the oldest single-origin style for metal objects in Europe. In addition to the manufactured objects, we are also familiar with the tools used for metalworking. These are of the "smithy" type, mainly stone anvils of various sizes and chiseling tools. Bell Beakers represent a breakthrough where the majority of European societies adapted to the widespread use of metal. Thus began an era where metal objects were always present in society, along with the techniques for working the material.

Migration did occur within the Bell Beaker domain. A good example of this is the rich burial of a man in Amesbury (Amesbury Archer 2300 BC), not far from Stonehenge in southern England. His grave had the greatest number of artifacts ever found in a British Bronze Age burial. Among those discovered were: Five funerary pots of the type associated with the "Beaker culture"; three tiny copper knives, 16 barbed flint arrowheads; a kit of flint-knapping and metalworking tools, including cushion stones that functioned as a kind of portable anvil and that suggests he was a coppersmith; and some boar's tusks. On his forearm was a black Stone wrist-guard. A similar red wrist-guard was by his knees. With the second wrist-guard was a shale belt ring and a pair of gold hair ornaments (the earliest gold objects ever found in England) On the basis of isotope testing of the man's teeth, archaeologists concluded that he had spent his youth in the Alpine regions of central Europe, while his son, buried nearby, was a native Briton.

A review of radiocarbon dates for Bell Beaker across Europe found that some of the earliest were found in Portugal (Gallaecia), where the range from Castro Zambujal and Cerro de la Virgen ran between 2900 BC and 2500 BC, in contrast to the rather later range for Andalusia, Spain (between 2500BC to 2200 BC). Castro Zambujal was less than 40 miles from a future Phoenician colony.

(IMG:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ea/Beaker_culture.png)

[elreb]

Another place to look at is Brittany, France: the "core area" of ancient megalithic culture (structures made of large stones) and their construction and the home of the seafaring Celtic "Veneti" people.

Veneti warships were sailing ships specifically designed to ply the waters of the North Sea and the English channel. Veneti ships were impervious to running aground because of their heavy timber construction, which also made them impervious to ramming. The Veneti were expert seamen who had very different fighting tactics.

Interestingly enough, these ships were designed more along the lines of Noah and his Ark.

(IMG:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c3/Megalithic_architecture.png)

Check this out too: For over 1300-years prior to the Roman invasion of Britain, the Celtic/ Phoenician ships had plied trade routes throughout the Mediterranean and Atlantic.

http://www.celticnz.co.nz/Avebury/Avebury%201.htm

This post has been edited by elreb: Aug 25 2010, 07:40 PM

[Sanders]

There's a definite Italy - Brittany - Venedi connection. The roots go back to Paphlagonia (northern Anatolia). Veneti = Heneti.

[elreb]

A people called the Enetoi (Eneti) is mentioned by Homer in the Iliad, as inhabiting Paphlagonia on the southern coast of the Black Sea in the time of the Trojan War.

The Veneti (also called Heneti) (Paleoveneti) were an ancient people who inhabited north-eastern Italy (600 BC), in an area corresponding to the modern-day region of the Veneto. Venice = Venetian

Believed to be related to the Gaulish Veneti, a Celtic tribe formerly living on the coast of Brittany.

Krahe thought that not only the name of the Illyrian and Adriatic Enetoi peoples are the same[2] Homer mentions a people in Asia Minor, the Paphlagonians, as from the Enetai province,[3] and a few hundred years later Herodotus refers to the Enetoi twice, once as Illyrian[4] and again as the occupants of the Adriatic sea[5] Krahe thought that the name of the Illyrian and Adriatic Enetos peoples are the same, and if Adriatic Enetoi were Adriatic Veneti (Venets) and Venets were the Vistula Veneti (Veneds) mentioned in other sources then Illyrians and Veneds were the same people.

The historical beginning of the peoples we later know as Illyrians is placed at approximately 1000 BC.

One version has parents Polyphemus and Galatea that give birth to Celtus, Galas, and Illyrius. Illyrius had multiple sons (Encheleus, Autarieus, Dardanus, Maedus, Taulas and Perrhabeus) and daughters (Partho, Daortho, Dassaro and others)
(IMG:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/21/IllyrianWars.jpg)

This post has been edited by elreb: Aug 26 2010, 01:35 PM

[elreb]

No matter how hard I try…I just cannot get Egypt any older than 1591 BC.

Herodotus said that Homer lived 400 Greek years before his own time (450 BC) which would be 750 BC putting the Trojan War between 884-800 BC.

Note the relationship between Tyndareus and Tyrians and Tyre…

Min = 1st king of Egypt 1591 BC
Moris
Sesostris = Ships of War, settled Colchis (1000 BC)
Pheros

Proteus = Helen daughter of Tyndareus dwelt with Proteus (884 BC)
= built the Camp of Tyrians or enclosure of Phoenicians of Tyre (850 BC)
= (Could Tyrus be Tyndareus?)

Rhampsinitos = traveled to Hades
Cheops = 800 BC pyramid engineered by Phoenicians from Tyre
Chephren = pyramid
Mykerinos = pyramid, golden cow,
Asychis =
Anysis = attacked by Sabacos the Ethiopian

Sethos = the priest of Hephaistos (Ptah), defeated Sennacherib (700 BC) at Pelusuim

12 Kings…no leader (680 BC)

Psammetichos = became king with help of Ionians and Carians,
Necos = 672-664 BC
Psammis =
Apries = 589-570 BC
Ahmose II = 570-526 BC (Ramses the Great)

This post has been edited by elreb: Aug 26 2010, 06:20 PM

[elreb]

Sanders…sometime I think you are sending me embedded messages.

After the capture of Troy a combined force of Enetians (Heneti) who had been driven from Paphlagonia (Black Sea) and surviving Trojans under Antenor, sailed to the Venice, Italy area of the Adriatic Sea and defeated the Euganie all the way to the Alps. (850 BC?)

Now I must wonder at the connection between a “Venetian” and a “Pho-enician” once you extract “Enetian”.

(IMG:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7f/Venice,_by_Bolognino_Zaltieri,_1565.jpg)

Hint: Canaan fathered the Phoenicians through his son Sidon, and the Hittites (Heneti) through his son Heth.

This post has been edited by elreb: Aug 27 2010, 06:00 PM

[Sanders]

Sanders…sometime I think you are sending me embedded messages.

Not intentionally. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Brilliant.

If one can then imagine that there is no big difference between Venedi and Vanir ... then BOOOM! The Vikings were Phoenetians - which one expects anyway, since the boats they made were almost identical. In fact, I suspect that Danir, Tuatha de Danaan and Danite are also variations - and when you've connected those "Dan" peoples to the (V/H)eneti, then it makes more sense that the Tribe of Dan abandoned their original lands near Judah and went up and conquered Laish just south of Mt. Hermon in Phoenician territory - and, that the Phoenicians let them!

There's a link somewhere in this thread about clues to Phoenician presence in southwestern England, i.e. Cornwall and Devon. The area was once called Danmoni (mines of Dan), and supposedly (a little over) 3 thousand years ago a peoples from the Aegean(?) called the Tuatha de Danaan arrived in Ireland, burned their ships and stayed. If this Veneti/Heneti/Vanir/Danir/Dan correlation holds any water, then this puts these people in Paphlagonia during the time of the Trojan war.

That is significant because Paphlagonia was bordered on the east by the Halys river, which I strongly suspect is what named the Halybes/Chalybes of Colchis. The Halybes were so good at smelting bronze and making weapons that the Greeks thought they invented metallurgy, and their fame in this respect is reflected in the name of King Arthur's sword, Ex-Caliber, named for the the Exe river in Cornwall and the Chalybe/Halybe of Colchis. I always wondered if the Halybes were somehow connected to the Phoenicians or whatever "Dan" tribe who apparently sailed to Britain to obtain tin for their bronze, or if some of them actually migrated to Britain or not?

There are other connections, the Kybele-worshipping Corybantes of Phrygia are reported by the Greeks to have also inhabited Colchis, and the myths have them being the half-brothers of Aeetes King of Cholchis. "Aeetes" evokes Attis. The Dactyls, Kouretes and Corybantes all seem to be the same people (or close cousins) and are said to have arrived in Anatolia from Crete - Crete was a major Phoenician trading port. Then I've got an old map of Mesopotamia that shows "Chalybonitis" between Subartu (Sophia) and Ugarit - Phoenician country. The Orontes river flows through here, and the Bagratids of Georgia are from the Orontes branch of rulers. It was in Georgia/Colchis of course that the myth of St. George the dragon slayer originated, the mythical saint who named the Templar red cross and the flag of England.

This chapter of Ladon-Gog flushes out these connections and then some -
http://www.tribwatch.com/kizzuwatna.htm

[elreb]

I have to look thru my files and see if I can find a connection from Venedi/Vanir to Venus and also to Van, Turkey, Lake Van and the kingdom of Van, which are about 260 miles SE of Cholchis.



I believe that the Citadel of Van was the one Cyrus the Great built.

According to Xenophon we have a confirmed date during the time of Cyaxares where Cyrus built a Fort between the Chaldeans and the Armenians. (Tigranes and Sabaris) (550 BC)

One tribe was the Nairi which could relate to the Vanir or Danir?

The “Nairi-Urartu-Van” kingdom of 858-735 BC is the “Real” Hittite kingdom and are related to the Ashkenaz Jews.

Later I will connect King Arames of Uratu. He may be Arsames of Persia, son of Ariaramnes

I believe it was “Menua” who took Khatte. (holy smokes)



(IMG:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/99/Urartu743.png)

This post has been edited by elreb: Aug 28 2010, 10:17 PM

[elreb]

In the following please note: “Ar”, “Sar”, “Dan”, “Ur”,

In the study of the history of the Elite, I believe Abram (Abraham) and Sarai (Sarah) are key figures. Abram and his father Terah have left Ur of Kaśdim for the city of Harran (Harranu) in Aram-Naharaim. My personal opinion is that Urfa (Edessa) is Ur Kasdim.

Sacked by Ashur-Dan in 763 BCE, Harran was restored under the Assyrian ruler Sargon I (722-705 BC) and was the home town of the moon god Sin and the last hold out of “Nabonidus” (556-539 BC-where his mother was a priestess) during the conquest of Babylon by Cyrus the Great.

"As for the gods of Sumer and Akkad which Nabonidus, to the wrath of the lord of the gods, brought to Babylon, at the command of Marduk, the great lord, I (Cyrus) caused them to dwell in peace in their sanctuaries, (in) pleasing dwellings. May all the gods I brought (back) to their sanctuaries plead daily before Bel and Nabu for the lengthening of my days, may they intercede favorably on my behalf."
—Cyrus Cylinder, 30-34


If you recall, Harran was the same town that Jacob (the brother of the red-haired Esau) married his first cousins, Rachel and Leah. These were Aramean people of Aram-Nahrin aka Pad-dan Aram or Chaldeans. (Nihriya?)

It is important not to confuse “Armenians” with “Arameans”, though they were neighbours. Armenians were the Nairi or “Ur-artean” living in an area corresponding to modern Van whose capital was first Arzashkun before being moved to Tushpa. (900-600 BC)

Assyrian inscriptions of Shalmaneser first mention Uruartri as one of the states of Nairi.

Arames or Aramu or Arame (ruled 858–844 BC) was the first known king of Urartu.


This “Arames” person could very well be the “Abram” who subdued the invading force from Mesopotamia, led by Chedorlaomer, king of Elam.


Living at the time of Shalmaneser II, Arames united the Nairi tribe against the threat of the Assyrian Empire. His capital at Arzashkun and Sugunia (the stronghold of Aram) were captured by Shalmaneser.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/ane/rp/rp204/rp20413.htm

Van Citadel began construction by Sarduri I, the Urartian King 844-828 BC. 'King of the Four Quarters
Next: Ishpuini 828-810 BC "King of the Universe"
Next: Menua 810-785 BC
Next: Argishti I 785-763 BC founded the Erebuni Fortress

Sarduri II Urartian King 764-735 BC. The Urartian Kingdom was at its peak during his reign. He succeeded his father Argishti I to the throne.

Sarduri II was so confident in his power that he erected a massive wall at Tushpa (Van) with the following inscription:

"The magnificent king, the mighty king, king of the universe, king of the land of Nairi, a king having none equal to him, a shepherd to be wondered at, fearing no battle, a king who humbled those who would not submit to his authority."

Sarduri II can be none other than Sargon II ( Sharru-kinu ("true king") who reigned( 722 – 705 BC) as an Assyrian king. Sargon II was co-regent with Shalmaneser in 722 BC, and became the sole ruler of the kingdom of Assyria in 722 BC after the death of Shalmaneser of whom he was not related.

You may remember Shalmaneser as the one who deported the 10 lost tribes of Israel from Egypt to Assyria.

After reaching Lake Van, Sargon/Sarduri left Urartu via Uaiaish. In Hubushkia he received the tribute of the "Nairi" lands. 714 BC

Somewhere in the mix of these things there was Teispes the father of Cyrus I and Ariaramnes, who between 675-640 BC freed himself from Median supremacy and expanded his small kingdom of Anshan. (Aswan?)

Teispes may connect to the Araratian storm god Tešup-Theispas where one of his greatest acts was the slaying of the dragon Illuyanka.

The Urartu grew weaker and dependent on Assyria & referring to the Assyrian king as his "father" by Sardur III (645-635 BC).

Both Harran and Urartu were besieged and conquered by Nabopolassar of Babylon and his Median and Scythian allies in 608 BC. Harran became part of the Babylonian Empire after the fall of Assyria.

Xenophon states that Armenia, was not conquered until the reign of Median king Astyages (585 - 550 BC).

The region came under the control of the Persians in 550 BC when Tigranes joined forces with Cyrus the Great.

This post has been edited by elreb: Aug 30 2010, 05:35 PM

[Quest]

Sanders, after listening to the following audifile I was absolutely struck on how plugged in the Rothschilds were in all of this from the beginning. The Rothschilds are much more than simply "bankers" but also the creators of many businesses. I found these links at Iamthewiness.com

I hope all of you will take the time to listen to this stuff as you will be awed. Thie first two audiofiles alone goes a long way to flesh out elite business networking and explain much of what is going on today.

http://iamthewitness.com/audiobooks/02)%20...001-08-2010.mp3

http://iamthewitness.com/audiobooks/02)%20....02-08-2010.mp3

http://iamthewitness.com/audiobooks/02)%20...003-08-2010.mp3

http://iamthewitness.com/audiobooks/02)%20...004-08-2010.mp3

This post has been edited by Quest: Aug 31 2010, 12:46 AM

[Sanders]

Quest, I'll say right off that I haven't listened to any of that yet. In all honesty I am wary of iamthewitness (Daryl Smith). But I'm sure what I will point out is not found in any of those links.

The Rothschild family name is Bauer. Bauer, Bayer and Bower are all the same family line - the word is Hunnic (which could include Magyar, Khazar, Kabar,or any of the many nomadic Asian tribes?). The state of Bavaria is tied to these names and this heritage.

In the Greek myths the Trojan tribes which lived around the Black Sea were all associated with Apollo and Artemis, and with "wolves and boars". This is referenced in many myths, one being the myth of the Calydonian Boar hunt (in which Artemis kills a boar) which documents the connection between these Black Sea peoples and Scotland, which was called Calydonia by the Romans. Note that the Bower family name is Scottish. The "5 arrows" of the myth found in the 'Secret History of the Mongols' is displayed on the Rothschild bank logo. The Mogols, the Huns, the Xiong-nu as the Chinese called them - these are all the same people and their roots are in north-western Mesopotamia and the pagan northern Levant. That's why everywhere the "Huns" went they left behind "Uygur" peoples and their language is called Ugaric. This all comes, I believe, from Ugarit, the ancient city of the north Levant near Mt. Hazzi (called Mt. Zephur in the bible). Ugarit is super ancient - and Abraham, some believe, as do I, was a king of Ugarit.

In the 9th century there was an important Magyar/Kabar/Hun migration from Khazaria into what is now Hungary, and from there "Hun" blood flowed into the other royal houses of Europe. I believe and assume that Bavaria was an outgrowth of this migration (sorry I don't have much to back up my assumtions with), and George son of King Andrew accompanied Margaret (daughter of the English heir to the throne) to Scotland. George's decendents are the Drummonds, and the Drummonds were the exchequers of the English treasury during the American Revolutionary war. The money they dolled out for Hessian mercenaries (rented from Hesse Kassel) found its way into Mayer Amschell Rothschild's pocket, which his son's used to finance the Rothschild banking empire. You can get totally lost in the details of how this occurred, but it did happen, the money originated with the Drummond control of the English treasury and ended with the Rothschilds being the most powerful banking family in Europe. I tend to focus on the Hungary connection, and I also believe that the Cross of St. Andrew (Scottish flag) and the Cross of St. George (English flag) were actually named for the Hungarian king Andrew and his son George.

But you won't get any closer to the truth than that IMO, the Rothschild lineage is a complete mystery. All we have to go on is the 'Bauer' name, the "5 arrows" myth, and their significance with regard to Hungary and the Huns.

I could be completely off of my rocker, but the key, I believe, to understanding why and how the roots of the Rothschilds mesh with the rest of the global Elite is in their common northern Levant heritage - NOT in any common "Jewish" heritage. The footprint of the elite, everywhere you look, is dualist, Kabbalist, not "Jewish". In fact, I believe that "Jews" are the odd man out. They have little to do with "Moriah" (Illuminati?) but the religion has been hijacked to drive a wedge into the Muslim world where "Usury" is still largely banned. By extension, Zionism is just another "ism" which which conflict is created. Do the people really in charge really want to take over the Holy Land for "spiritual" reasons? Maybe - but if they do they are letting the Jews do the work for them.

At the risk of opening myself up to accusations of being a "kook", I'll leave my post as it is for Quest to read and ponder.

(IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[elreb]

Sanders in a hat…if you’re a “Kook”…Boy howdy…what does that make me?

According to the 10 Lost Tribes theory, only members from the tribe of Judah are “Jews”.

The real issue would be the House of Joseph or House of David
or House of Eber which is Hebrew = Obri of Abraham, where you can pick up Saudi Kings.

Abrams life

Abram leaves Harran with a small army of family members due to famine and travels to the house of Phroe.

Now, on account of a revolt of the Kings of Sodom and Gomorrha and other kings from Chedorlamer King of Elam, after they had served him twelve years, he in the fourteenth year made war upon them with his allies, Tidal king of Guim, Amraphel King of Shinar, and Arioch King of Pontus. The King of Elam was victorious, and had already reached Dan with Lot a prisoner and laden with spoil, when he was overtaken by Abram.

And he divided himself against them, he and his servants, by night, and smote them, and pursued them unto Hobah, which [is] on the left hand (north) of Damascus.

With 318 men of his household, the patriarch surprises, attacks, and defeats Chedorlamer, he retakes Lot and the spoil, and returns in triumph. On his way home, he is met by Melchisedech, king of Salem who brings forth bread and wine, and blesses him. (Please do NOT assume they were in Jerusalem)

There is also Eliezer of Damascus son of Nimrod and head of the patriarch Abraham's household mentioned in the Book of Genesis (15:2).

Now let us look at the Battle of Qarqar, north of Damascus

Shalmaneser III (Šulmānu-ašarēdu, "the god Shulmanu is pre-eminent") was king of Assyria (859 BC-824 BC)

Aramu or Arame (ruled 858–844 BC) was the first known king of Urartu lived at the time of Shalmaneser III, Aram united the Nairi tribe against the threat of the Assyrian Empire. His capital at Arzashkun was captured by Shalmaneser. (For all we know, Arzashkun could have been Ur Kasdim)

Arame has been suggested as the prototype of both “Aram and Ara” the Beautiful. His successor was Lutipri (For the record Abrams nephew Lot is spelled = “Lut”)

Shalmaneser’s long reign was a constant series of campaigns against the eastern tribes, the Babylonians, the nations of Mesopotamia and Syria, as well as Kizzuwadna and Urartu. His armies penetrated to Lake Van and the Taurus Mountains; the Hittites of Carchemish were compelled to pay tribute, and the kingdoms of Hamath and Aram Damascus were subdued.

In 853 BC a coalition which was formed by the kingdoms of Egypt, Hamath, Arvad, the Ammonites, and other neighboring states, under the leadership of king Hadad-ezer of Damascus, defeated the Assyrian king at Battle of Qarqar. Other battles soon followed in 849 BC and 846 BC.

A success like this on Abrams part would earn him position in these southern kingdoms.

His land grant also required allegiance to a new god or two.

“Abrm” changed to “Abrem” and “Shri” changed to “Shre” which is basically “Re” the Sun god; as opposed to “Sin” the Moon god.

Magically when Joseph is born, his father Jacob takes the second name = “Yisrael” adding “Ra as god” into the mix.

[elreb]

SUPER CLUE

The title “Son of the Sun” is written as "Sa-Ra". The female form is Sarah as in the wife of Abraham

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Funny but “Ar” or “Ara” of Armenia is the sun god equal to the Egyptian “Ra”...or...aRa...

It has been shown by some Orientalist-Armenologists in a number of quotations of mythological and historical data that the native people of the Armenian Highland and the neighboring regions of Asia Minor had, in the earlier periods of paganism, a deity whom they called AR or ARA.

In the primitive hunting stage of the life of these natives, the god ARA possesed animal-vegetal charactheristics. Later, with the beginning of agriculture, he acquired a vegetal-solar nature and with the development of irrigation in agriculture and the consolidation of statehood, he became a great war-god and was identified with the sun.

This process of change from primitive to complex characteristics, as manifested in the nature of AR(or ARA), is by no means unique in the mythological history of mankind. It has had its close parallels. For example, the god Assur,in the earliest periods of the founding of the city of Assur, had a vegetal (peaceful) nature, but later on, when Assyria became a mighty empire by bloody expeditions, it turned into a fearsome deity and was identified also with sun.

Research has revealed that in the remote past AR (or ARA) was the principal national deity of the Armen people. H.Matikian, N.Adonts, M.Abeghian, G.Ghapantsian, and ohter Armenologists accept that ARA was the native deity of the Armenians.

The known Orientalist A.H.Sayce states that AR was the sun-god of the Armenians. In his words:"...it is better to suppose that ER,or ARA,
was an Armenian name for the Sun-god, which in later times was confounded with Arios (Nergal)of Ktesias."

In this connection H. Matikian writes: "To study ARA the Beautiful means to make inroads into the obscure centuries of the origin of the Armenian people and to examine them."


The word Ar-ma-ni is a compound noun, where the first component Ar is none other than the name of the natioanal sun-god of the Armens,-AR- and the second component -ma-(me a varient) signifies 'build, make, beget, offspring, son'. Ma- with this meaning was known to many peoples of the Near East in antiquity.


The goddess of birth and fertility, so well known in Asia Minor, was called by this very same name-Ma.(Ma also occurs in its reduplicated from -Mama or Mami in Assyro-Babylonian inscriptions). This root-word (and also its variant -me) is found also in Sumerian language with the same meaning. It results that Ar-ma (and its variant Ar-me) means 'built by Ar, born of Ar', or 'Ar's offspring', 'Ar's/Ara's son' ('the son of the sun', Arevvordi). The ending -ni (the plural-forming or toponymic suffix-ni is found in Subarian-Hurrian-Nairian place and tribal na We find the plural form ni also in Armenian.

It is not unlikely that those of the third millenium B.C. could have Sumerian origin derived from the plural form -e-ne reserved for persons) of Arma-ni (or Arme-ni), as has been mentioned earlier, is plural and toponymic suffix (cf. Mitanni, Supani, Alzini 'Alzinini', Daiaeni, Nihani, etc.).

Hence Armani (or Armeni) means 'sons of Ar', that is, 'sons of the sun' or 'the land of the sons of Ar', which is literally 'the land of the sons of the sun'. A similar case is seen in the Armenian words Hayk' and Virk which by virtue of the plural- forming suffix k' mean, respectively, 'Armenians' and 'Georgians' and also 'the land of Armenians (Armenia)' and 'the land of Georgians (Georgia)'.

Just as the name Arma-ni appears simply as Arma, without the suffix -ni, in the Alalakh inscriptions, so does it in the form Arme in the Assyrian and Urartian writtings. Since, as it was mentioned above, Ar-ma or Ar-me meant 'built by Ar' (the city or country of Ar), or 'the offspring (or the son) of Ar', and since Ar was also called Ara, it follows that the name Arme could have been pronounced also as Arame, which is, as we already know, the name of the founder of Urartian kingdom, meaning 'the son of the sun', and is preserved by Khorenantsi in the form Aram, as the name of one of the Armenian patriarchs. It must be accepted, therefore, that the name Arma or Arme (Arame>Aram) was the basic component of the name Arma-ni or Arme-ni, and hence, itrepresented the name by which Armenians are commonly called by foreigners. This proves that Khorenantsi transmits some ancient and slmost accurate information when, writting about Aram, he states that all the nations of the world call the Armenians -Armen- and their country -Armenia- after the name Aram.

In order to illustrate the meaning of the component -ma- in the name Ar-ma, signifying 'built, begottern, offspring' or 'the son', we cite below, for comparison, a few examples among many drawn from ancient inscriptions: Astatama-The name of one of the kings of Mitanni.
Dukkama-The name of one of the cities of ancient Armenia.
Tarkuma-This place-name is mentioned by the Hittite king Mursil.
Tarku-ma means "that which is built by the god Tarku (Tork-one of the sons of Hayk Nahabed). "Torkashen" in Armenian.
Automa-The daughter of Tigran the Great, who was married to Mithradates 2 of Pontus.

Artasama-The name of the daughter of King Artashes of Armenia who was married, according to Khorenantsi, to "a certain Mithradates, the great prefect of the Georgians."
Artas-a-ma means 'born of Artas (or Artashes). There are many more place-and personal names of antiquity in the Near East (including the Armenian Highland) and Asia Minor that carry the suffix -ma, but the examples given above should be sufficient to show that -ma indeed meant 'built, begotten, offspring, son', just as the endings -azn, -zun, and -sen in the Armenian language convey the same meanings in such compound nouns as Ark'ayazn (king's son), Haykazun (Hayk's offspring), and Haykashen (built by Hayk).

We shall still have opportunity to quote a series of place-names in the Armenian Highland that bear the component Ar or Ara. Suffice it here to mention just one direct testimony from a cuneiform inscription showing that the region of the land Arme was actually called the land of Ar. The monument of King Menua of Urartu, found near Mush, is covered with inscriptions on all its four sides. In one of them the King has written that he had invaded the land of Urme (=Arme) and that there, in the Ar-hi ('Ar-ian' or 'Ara-ian') land, he had left an inscription.

Here is the translation of that portion of the inscription that interests us: "City of Ataune, I came forth (to invade) against the land of Urme, I conquered the land of Urme, I erected this inscription in the Ar-hi land..." This Arhi ('Arian' or 'Araian') region was in the southeast of Mush and lay in the land of Arme belonged to Ar (or Ara) and that it meant 'born of Ar', or 'built by Ara'. In ancient cuneiform writings sometimes we find statements where a certain king or a famous personality is considered to be the son of his main national god or the son of his nation.Josephus Flavius has preserved a direct and living historical testimony according to which King Adrazar of Dzopk' was called the son of Ara, instead of being identified by his national name Armen. H. Matikian, refering to J.Flavius' same testimony writes the following: "...the Jewish chronicler, after relating how David was expanding the boundaries of his kingdom with various invasions, adds the following words which are of great importance for us: 'And while he levied yearly taxes on them, he immediately moved against King Adrazar if Dzopk', the Son of Ara, and warred with him beside the Euphrates...'' 'Dzopk' (Assyrian Isua, Hittite Isua, Urartian Supani, Latin Sophanenae) was situated in the northwestern region of Arme-Subria.

It is evident that it was an Armenian kingdom and her king Adrazar (Zariadr-es) was Armenian.We see that David, instead of specifying this king by his family name Armen, calls him "the Son of Ara", revealing thus his national identity.This is another concrete evidence supporting the fact that the name Armani (Armeni) means 'sons of Ara', or 'the land of the sons of Ara'. Even after the adoption of Christianity there were still many places in Armenia where secterians called "sons of the Sun" ('Arevordi,) continued to exist, and were strongly opposed by the Catholicos Nerses Shnorhali.

The term "Arevordi" persisted in Armenia until 12th centuary of our era. Since in the remote past Ar (or Ara) was the main deity of the native people of the Armenian Highland and since these native people were generally called by the name of this god, it would naturally be expected that certain place names would have been composed with the name of this deity or with the name of the people bearing this name. In fact, in antiquity, the entire Armenian Higland was replete with names that contained the component Ar or Ara. It is true that in later centuries the Armenian Highland, as a highway between continents, has been subjected to many foreign military, political,and cultural influences and has adopted other deities, even yielding to oblivion the identity of Ara; but still there are many place-names in the country that preserve the memory of Ar or Ara.

[Sanders]

...According to the 10 Lost Tribes theory, only members from the tribe of Judah are “Jews”.

Exactly. Where that point is relevant, is in the likelyhood that, if many of the Israelites (as opposed to Judeaites) found their way to Scythia as has often been proposed and, is likely given that the some of the oldest Jewish communities in the world are in the Caucasus, the ones who made it up there were probably largely from the northern tribes, i.e. the decidedly pagan ones. There's little proof, but I'm of the opinion that the sort of Judaism that influenced and/or mixed with the nomadic tribes of Central Asia, particularly of the ruling class, were of the pagan-dualistic-Kabbalah-bent.

You've gotta account for this somehow, because the actions of the ruling elite are far too easy to understand within the constructs of Kabbalah and dualism. I don't discount the Kabbalistic roots of the French Cathar and Norman crusaders, but a booster shot of Kabbalistic/pagan "Judaeism" via the Hun/Kabar/Magyar migration into Hungary and Bavaria etc. (in addition to the prior influence of Rabbi Makhir from whose Languedoc kingdom the Cathar movement spread by the way) explains alot IMO.

That's a bit cryptic, I know, but I just have a feel for this after so many years digging around. In the sense of royal familial relations in Medieval Europe and the introduction of the Khazar/Hun/Magyar bloodlines from the East, the most influential family was that of Vladimir I - and there is a family named 'Vlad' whose Coat of Arms is a big Star of David (Megan David/Seal of Solomon) on blue - practically the Israeli flag. The leader of the original Templar Knights was Hughes de Payen (Hugh the "pagan") whose family crest also features the Megan David. There are others, all somewhat significant. Then you have the "3 chevrons". These are a representation, I believe, of the 3 pyramids of Giza, the 3 peaks of Mt. Hermon/Mt. Sion and the 3 stars in Orion's belt. There are lots of family crests with one chevron or two, but almost none with three. Three-chevron crests are, I believe, reserved for the ultra-elite and include the coat of arms of Flanders (not a family of course, but Dragon-central, Belgium), and the family of Levi, the priesthood Israelite tribe.

I wish I had some concrete proof that the Coat of Vlad is connected to Vladimir I. If you read about this guy it'll knock your socks off. He single-handedly conquered a huge area in what is now Russia and the Ukraine, had half a dozen wives and literally hundreds of concubines, and his legitimate children intermarried with the cream of the crop of European elite. One wife, Rogdena of Polotsk, he became interested in and "married" by conquering her kingdom, killing her family and raping her. Vlad was "Conquering Culture" manifest. Screw the rules, win by any means. He was pagan/Varangian Rus (later converted to Christianity), but his family was close with the Arpads of Hungary and intermarried heavily with their Khazar eastern blood-line. Which is why I am intriqued by the Vlad crest.

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The title “Son of the Sun” is written as "Sa-Ra". The female form is Sarah as in the wife of Abraham

Well, I'm pretty convinced that Sarai/Sarah was an Egyptian princess. She is (maybe) the reason the Davidic Kings were legitimately of the "dragon-blood-line", hence Jesus "of Nazareth" and John "the Great Nazar" the Baptist, (Nazar = dragon), hence our word "messiah", which possibly derives from "messeh", i.e. the Holy Crocodile from whose fat the Pharaohs were anointed.

'The Davinci Code', both book and film, made a bundle on the idea that Jesus had a wife. Ha-ha - the real scandal is that both he and her were priest/priestesses of the dragon-blood line descended from the Pharaohs. That's why the Merovingians gave a hoot (if they did) - not because Jesus was the savior of the Christian faith, but because of his (and her) part-Egyptian blood.

(Actually, a term 'Egyptian-Ugaritic dragon-blood' would be more accurate and to the point.)