Who Created The Modern Day State Of Israel? Options

[Quest]

An excellent video!

Who Created the Modern Day State of Israel?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f__eXWzlYDk

[Sanders]

Miss 'Ring of Power'.

With great reservations, I will say that I kind of like this woman, she has promoted some ideas that are valid and she has guts.

But she is maybe a little too confident ... and gets a lot of things wrong. I have spoken about her misteps in 'Ring of Power'. The Tribe of Dan, to which she attributes practically the conquering of the whole western world, were simply cousins of the Tuatha de Danaan (invaders of Ireland) and the Danaus (invaders of Greece) - the term "Dan" having deeper roots in Mesopotamia.

In this clip, she refers to 'Lionel' Rothschild. It was Lionel Walter Rothschild, called by his middle name, Walter. Miss Ring of Power hasn't figured that out, nor many other things IMO.

Here is someone who has done a lot of research and thinks they have a handle on how the world was conquered - but she, in my opinion, finished her mind's zigsaw puzzle prematurely. If she's so smart, why does she cherry-pick??? Does she not know that the Huns, Franks and Vikings all sprouted from Canaan too? And that the collision of these peoples, including Israelite refugees in the form of Kabars collided in Europe a thousand years ago? Where is this monumentally important part of history in her vids?

A recent post of mine on this topic:

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10785939

She cherry-picks (I doubt that it is intentional, I assume she has her mind made up and picks out the things that support her view - but sometimes gets her facts wrong).

I say again, I kind of like her - she has guts - but she hasn't found the holy grail, she thinks she has, but she hasn't. Grain of Salt !!!!

......

EDIT - for example - she says the Magen David Hexagram was featured on the Rothschild "red shield". No, it wasn't, best guess is that it was a two-headed eagle. Even if she has 80% of her facts right, the 20% - bullshit part that she hasn't bothered to check really bothers me.

[lunk]

Yes,
your Uroko videos are much easier to follow than
her style of documentary.

...and there is a sort of Margret Atwood tone,
to her voice, that i find a little un-easing.

a very concise coverage of a vast swath of history, though.
...perhaps a little too concise.

[Quest]

Sanders, what she says in her "inacurracy", as you say, is more accurate than what many people leave out wether to political correctness or outright fear.

This post has been edited by Quest: May 26 2010, 01:18 PM

[Sanders]

Sanders, what she says in her "inacurracy", as you say, is more accurate than what many people leave out wether to to political correctness our outright fear.

Right you are, Quest. No, really, you are spot on. The world is awash in propaganda and lies and she is definitely barking up the right tree. I am hesitant to criticize her, in fact, it was 'Ring of Power' that inspired me to start researching this stuff more deeply, because I was so intrigued by her POV, in particular, the importance of the Tribe of Dan.

From that point, right around the same time that I was digging around on the 'Tribe of Dan' subject I gradually became aware of other pieces to the puzzle. Therein lies the rub.

So, while I owe a lot of gratitude to this woman who made Ring of Power, she does have her mind made up about things and is a little lax in her fact-checking IMO. I really wish I could have an hour to sit down with her and discuss this topic ... I think she would see what I see, and that it wouldn't take much cajoling to win her over - She's obviously a smart lady.

I would like to explain exactly where the lady who made this and Ring of Power and I differ ... but that will take a little preparation. I'll post again on this soon.

[albertchampion]

harry truman?

and some of his financiers? meyer lansky? rosenstiel? bronfman?

well, here is a little record of the israeli treasons...

Because no one will say - even the judge claims he doesn't know - what Shamai Leibowitz leaked, we can't be sure of his crime (a sort of Gitmo trial on native soil), but as Henry Thoreau noted long ago, "Some circumstantial evidence is very strong, as when you find a trout in the milk." We do know, however, that there are hardly any precedents for this and that it will make Israel quite happy.


Politico - The Obama administration’s crackdown on leaks to the press has snared a high-profile conviction of an FBI linguist, who was sentenced to 20 months in prison Monday after pleading guilty to giving classified information to a blogger.

The sentence for Shamai Leibowitz is likely to become the longest ever served by a government employee accused of passing national security secrets to a member of the media. His case represents only the third known conviction in U.S. history for a government official or contractor providing classified information to the press.

President Barack Obama’s Justice Department has taken a hard line against leakers, and Obama himself has expressed anger about disclosures of national security deliberations in the press.

"I think it’s remarkable," said Gabriel Schoenfeld, a fellow at the conservative Hudson Institute who urged prosecution of The New York Times for publishing details of the Bush administration’s warrantless wiretapping program in 2005. "This is the administration that came in pledging maximum transparency. Plugging leaks is . . . traditionally not associated with openness."

"They’re going after this at every opportunity and with unmatched vigor," said Steven Aftergood of the Federation of American Scientists, a critic of government classification policy.

Last month, the Justice Department reissued a Bush-era grand jury subpoena against New York Times reporter James Risen for the sources he relied on in a chapter of his 2006 book, "State of War," which focuses on a CIA-led ruse to disrupt Iranian nuclear weapons research. Risen has vowed to fight the subpoena but might face the possibility of jail time for contempt if a judge refuses to step in.

"I was extremely surprised that the Risen subpoena was reinstituted. That struck me as a battle that no one needed to have," said Hearst Corp. general counsel Eve Burton, a veteran of legal battles over press sources. "I thought Eric Holder would be a more moderating force in that regard."

The Justice Department also obtained an indictment last month of former National Security Agency official Thomas Drake in connection with leaks that apparently led to a Baltimore Sun series on alleged mismanagement of an NSA program to process large volumes of intercepted data. Drake has pleaded not guilty.

"If Thomas Drake is convicted and sentenced to jail, this will be the first president to send two leakers to prison in his term in office. That’s never happened before," said Schoenfeld, author of the book "Necessary Secrets." "You wouldn’t have expected the Holder Justice Department to be particularly hawkish in these matters."

No one has suggested that the moves were directed by the White House, but Obama has repeatedly let subordinates know that he is deeply troubled by leaks on sensitive national security matters like Afghanistan and Pakistan, as well as administration infighting on more mundane issues.

"Obama had one pet peeve that could make him lose his cool ... leaks," Newsweek’s Jonathan Alter wrote in his new book, "The Promise." According to Alter, Obama was "fearsome" on the subject and went on an "anti-leak jihad" over some disclosures.

PolItico - A federal judge sentenced an FBI contract linguist to 20 months in prison on Monday for leaking secret government information, though the judge conceded that he wasn't entirely sure what the defendant had leaked or what impact it had on national security.
"The court is in the dark as to the kind of documents" involved in the leak, U.S. District Court Judge Alexander Williams Jr. said during the brief sentencing hearing in Greenbelt, Md. for Shamai Leibowitz, an Israeli-American lawyer who worked for a time as a Hebrew linguist at an FBI office in Maryland.

A sealed portion of the plea agreement was filed with the court last December. Some observers assumed that this included details on the documents in question. However, Williams said he really didn't know much about what Leibowitz leaked. "I'm not a part and parcel of the intricacies of that. . . I don't know what was divulged, other than some documents," Williams said.

TPR - This following paragraph is one of the most bizarre comments by a judge we have ever seen. The only basis he has for considering it a "very serious offense" is that federal prosecutors had filed "such a serious felony charge." If all cases were handled like this, you wouldn't even need courts.

Williams went on to say that he believed "it was a very, very serious offense." The judge said "it had to be" because prosecutors had filed such a serious felony charge, that could have carried a sentence under federal guidelines of 46 to 57 months, and because the defense agreed a 20-month sentence was appropriate. Williams said he was "reasonably satisfied" the sentence was fair, notwithstanding his lack of knowledge about the underlying facts.

Politico, 2009 - Leibowitz has a blog, Pursuing Justice ,and a web site, Israel-law.org. He calls himself "an Israeli-American attorney, admitted in New York and in Israel" and "a certified Hebrew-English translator and interpreter." One of his biographies says he was born in Haifa, graduated with a bachelor of laws from Bar Ilan Univesity in 1999 and a master's of law from American University in 2005, summa cum laude, on a full scholarship.

According to an Associated Press profile from 2002, Leibowitz is the grandson of a famous Israeli Torah scholar, philosopher and left-wing activist, Yeshayahu Leibowitz. The younger Leibowitz drew attention for joining the defense team of a Palestinian activist accused of murder and terrorism, Marwan Barghouti. One of Leibowitz's web sites says "he filed more than ten habeas corpus petitions to the Israeli Supreme Court resulting in the release of undocumented workers and asylum-seekers from prolonged detention."

Leibowitz is a supporter of a "one-state solution" to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict . . . He has also supported efforts to encourage U.S. institutions to divest in Israeli bonds . . .

TPR - The information above is strikingly absent from media stories about his conviction. Politico took a heavily right-wing Israel slant in another story:

Politico, 2009 - "I’m very surprised he got the clearance," said David Schoen, an Atlanta lawyer who helped an employee of a defense contractor win back a clearance he lost because of ties to Israel. "I don’t mean to say I think dual citizens of America and Israel should get extra scrutiny, but given our case and our experience they do. But forget the dual citizen issues, he’s a character. There were some warning signs here, not that he would take information and pass it to the Israeli government, but just the opposite. . . I think it’s bizarre."

Interviews with associates of Liebowitz in Israel and the US, as well as a review of Leibowitz’s writings, suggest a person who does not fit easily in the various communities in which he has a foothold. The grandson of a famous Torah scholar, Orthodox and left wing, Leibowitz alienated some Israelis when, as part of PLO leader Marwan Barghouti’s 2002 criminal defense team, he likened the Palestinian’s targeting of Israelis in terrorist attacks to Moses killing an Egyptian. The radicalism of some of his positions have put him on the fringe of the left-leaning Mideast peace camp.

Last year, Leibowitz wrote a letter to the Washington Post advocating a one-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Most Jews, even those on the left, recoil at that idea.

"As an Orthodox Jew, Shamai is also in a minority in his own community, which tends to be very hawkish," one American pro-peace blogger friend of Leibowitz’s said on condition of anonymity. "He has suffered a great deal of ostracism as a result of this."

"He is a wonderful, thoughtful, passionate person," the activist continued. "Shamai is a fearless advocate for peace between Israel and the Arabs. … Whatever happened in this case was no doubt motivated by his wish to see a peaceful resolution of this conflict."

The friend declined to speculate on the charges.

Leibowitz "is a good guy who fouled up," said another friend, declining to discuss case details because Leibowitz hasn’t been sentenced yet. . .

Another Israeli-born friend told Politico that Leibowitz contacted him in September, saying he was in trouble at work because of his past political beliefs, and asking him to please remove a link on his blog to a legal analysis he had written in January concerning the Israeli military campaign in Gaza. The post was a legal interpretation that told Israeli soldiers, especially those with computer and IT duties, that they had a duty under international law not only to disobey orders that would kill civilians, but to use, if available, nonviolent measures to disrupt operations.

According to an e-mail seen by Politico, Leibowitz later contacted another associate in November, also asking him to remove another article Leibowitz had co-written concerning Israeli occupation-related matters. "Because I am working in a very sensitive position for the government, I do not want my views published on the web," Leibowitz wrote.

Talk by Leibowitz on the Israeli war against Palestine

AND NOW THE REST OF THE STORY

What Really Happened - Once again, Israel has been caught with spies at the highest levels of the US Government. At the heart of the investigation are two people who work at The American Israel Public Affairs Committee, a powerful pro-Israel lobby in Washington. The FBI investigation, headed up by Dave Szady, has involved wiretaps, undercover surveillance and photography that CBS News was told document the passing of classified information from the mole, to the men at AIPAC, and on to the Israelis.

CBS sources say that last year the suspected spy, described as a trusted analyst at the Pentagon, turned over a presidential directive on U.S. policy toward Iran while it was, "in the draft phase when U.S. policy-makers were still debating the policy." This put the Israelis, according to one source, "inside the decision-making loop" so they could "try to influence the outcome."

Once again Israel denies wrongdoing, or faced with incontrovertible evidence (in this case one of the spies has reportedly cooperated with the FBI) dismisses the spying with the claim that such spying is harmless, because Israel and the United States are such good friends.

Well, let us take a closer look at that idea of "harmless espionage" by recalling Israel’s most famous failed spy, Jonathan Pollard.

Jonathan Pollard is an American of Jewish descent, born in Galveston Texas, who established a career as an intelligence analyst for the US Navy. There have been many theories offered as to why Pollard decided to betray his country of birth to the Jewish state, but that Pollard did betray his country of birth to Israel is beyond all doubt. Pollard’s defense was that he did not spy so much against the United States, only that he spied for Israel, sending them documents that in his opinion the US should have shared with Israel anyway.

That it was never Pollard's job to decide what documents Israel should have was apparently irrelevant. Pollard arrogated that authority to himself. From his position of trust within the US Navy, Pollard delivered over 1000 classified documents to Israel for which he was well paid. Included in those documents were the names of over 150 US agents in the Mideast, who were eventually "turned" into agents for Israel.

But by far the most egregious damage done by Pollard was to steal classified documents relating to the US Nuclear Deterrent relative to the USSR and send them to Israel. According to sources in the US State Department, Israel then turned around and traded those stolen nuclear secrets to the USSR in exchange for increased emigration quotas from the USSR to Israel. Other information that found its way from the US to Israel to the USSR resulted in the loss of American agents operating inside the USSR. Casper Weinberger, in his affidavit opposing a reduced sentence for Pollard, described the damage done to the United States thus, "[It is] difficult to conceive of a greater harm to national security than that caused by. . . Pollard's treasonous behavior."

The United States’ nuclear deterrent cost an estimated five trillion taxpayer dollars during the 50s and 60s to build and maintain, and less than $100,000 for Pollard to undermine. Israel waited 13 years to admit Pollard had been spying for them, and now lobbies for his release, having granted him Israeli citizenship.

Pollard is hardly the only Israeli spy operating in the United States. He just had the misfortune to get caught. Here are just a few examples of the Israeli spy operations that have been detected.

1947. Information collected by the ADL in its spy operations on US citizens is used by the House Select Committee on Unamerican Activities. Subcommittee Chair Clare Hoffman dismisses the ADL’s reports on suspected communists as "hearsay."

1950 John Davitt, former chief of the Justice Department's internal security section notes that the Israeli intelligence service is the second most active in the United States after the Soviets.

1954 A hidden microphone planted by the Israelis is discovered in the Office of the US Ambassador in Tel Aviv.

1956 Telephone taps are found connected to two telephones in the residence of the US military attaché in Tel Aviv.

1954 "The Lavon Affair". Israeli agents recruit Egyptian citizens of Jewish descent to bomb Western targets in Egypt, and plant evidence to frame Arabs, in an apparent attempt to upset US-Egyptian relations. Israeli defense minister Pinchas Lavon is eventually removed from office, though many think real responsibility lay with David Ben-Gurion.

1965 Israel apparently illegally obtains enriched uranium from NUMEC Corporation.

1967 Israel attacks the USS Liberty, an intelligence gathering vessel flying a US flag, killing 34 crew members. In 2004, Captain Ward Boston, Senior Legal Counsel for the Navy’s Court of Inquiry into the attack swears under oath that President Lyndon Johnson ordered the investigation to conclude accident, even though the evidence indicates the attack was deliberate. Given the use by Israel of unmarked boats and planes, and the machine-gunning of USS Liberty’s lifeboats, the most likely explanation is that USS Liberty was to be sunk with all hands, with evidence left to frame Egypt for the sinking. This would have dragged the US into the war on Israel’s side.

1970 While working for Senator Henry "Scoop" Jackson, Richard Perle is caught by the FBI giving classified information to Israel. Nothing is done.

Wikipedia - Perle has on occasion been accused of being an Israeli agent of influence. It has been reported that, while he was working for Jackson, "An FBI summary of a 1970 wiretap recorded Perle discussing classified information with someone at the Israeli embassy," writes Paul Findley."He came under fire in 1983 when newspapers reported he received substantial payments to represent the interests of an Israeli weapons company. Perle denied conflict of interest, insisting that, although he received payment for these services after he had assumed his position in the Defense Department, he was between government jobs when he worked for the Israeli firm."

1978, Stephen Bryen, then a Senate Foreign Relations Committee staffer, is overheard in a DC hotel offering confidential documents to top Israeli military officials. Bryen obtains a lawyer, Nathan Lewin, and the case heads for the grand jury, but is mysteriously dropped. Bryen later goes to work for Richard Perle.

Daily Kos - Bryen had been overheard offering documents to Zvi Rafiah, an Israeli Embassy official who just happened to be the Mossad station Chief in Washington. Also present was the director of AIPAC. While Bryen refused to be polygraphed, the witness agreed and passed the polygraph test.

The FBI also had testimony of a staff member of the Foreign Relations Committee who said she'd witnessed Bryen in his Senate office with Rafiah, discussing classified documents which were spread out on a table in front of an open safe. FBI agents discovered that Bryen met at least two to three times a week with Rafiah.

Bryen's fingerprints were found on classified documents he'd stating in writing to the FBI that he'd never had in his possession. The same documents, which included a detailed analysis of Middle Eastern air defense and radar systems, he'd been accused of offering to Rafiah. Documents that "could prove to be a major embarrassment to the US government." One document was described in a Defense Intelligence Agency report as being "particularly damaging to the U.S. government."

In April of 1979, Deputy Assistant Attorney General Robert Keuch recommended in writing that Bryen, then a staff member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, undergo a grand jury hearing to establish the basis for a prosecution for espionage. John Davitt, then chief of the Justice Department’s Internal Security Division, had concurred with this decision.

Bryen escaped prosecution because Philip Heymann, chief of Justice's Criminal Division, chose to shut down the investigation. Heymann was a former schoolmate and fellow U.S. Supreme Court clerk of Bryen's attorney, Nathan Lewin. Nathan Lewin was the attorney for Larry Franklin, who recently received a 12 year sentence for passing classified documents to Israeli agents at AIPAC. Bryen's boss, Clifford Case, and Richard Perle's boss, Henry Jackson, also exerted strong pressure and the Senate Foreign Relations Committee refused to grant the Justice Department access to files which were key to the investigation.

Bryen was then asked to resign from his post. Rafiah would go on to work as a consultant for Israeli defense industries. His area of expertise was how to obtain U.S. Pentagon contracts.

1979 Shin Beth [the Israeli internal security agency] tries to penetrate the US Consulate General in Jerusalem through a "Honey Trap", using a clerical employee who was having an affair with a Jerusalem girl.

1985 The New York Times reports the FBI is aware of at least a dozen incidents in which American officials transferred classified information to the Israelis, quoting former Assistant Director of the F.B.I. Raymond Wannal. The Justice Department does not prosecute.

1985 Richard Smyth, the owner of MILCO, is indicted on charges of smuggling nuclear timing devices to Israel

1987 April 24 Wall Street Journal headline: "Role of Israel in Iran-Contra Scandal Won't be Explored in Detail by Panels"

1992 The Wall Street Journal reports that Israeli agents apparently tried to steal Recon Optical Inc's top-secret airborne spy-camera system.

1992 Stephen Bryen, caught offering confidential documents to Israel in 1978, is serving on board of the pro-Israeli Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs while continuing as a paid consultant -- with security clearance -- on exports of sensitive US technology.

1992 "The Samson Option," by Seymour M. Hersh reports, "Illicitly obtained intelligence was flying so voluminously from LAKAM into Israeli intelligence that a special code name, JUMBO, was added to the security markings already on the documents. There were strict orders, Ari Ben-Menashe recalled: "Anything marked JUMBO was not supposed to be discussed with your American counterparts."

1993. The ADL is caught operating a massive spying operation on critics of Israel, Arab-Americans, the San Francisco Labor Council, ILWU Local 10, Oakland Educational Association, NAACP, Irish Northern Aid, International Indian Treaty Council, the Asian Law Caucus and the San Francisco police. Data collected was sent to Israel and in some cases to South Africa. Pressure from Jewish organizations forces the city to drop the criminal case, but the ADL settles a civil lawsuit for an undisclosed sum of cash.

1995 The Defense Investigative Service circulates a memo warning US military contractors that "Israel aggressively collects [US] military and industrial technology." The report stated that Israel obtains information using "ethnic targeting, financial aggrandizement, and identification and exploitation of individual frailties" of US citizens.

1996 A General Accounting Office report "Defense Industrial Security: Weaknesses in US Security Arrangements With Foreign-Owned Defense Contractors" found that according to intelligence sources "Country A" (identified by intelligence sources as Israel, Washington Times, 2/22/96) "conducts the most aggressive espionage operation against the United States of any US ally." The Jerusalem Post quoted the report, "Classified military information and sensitive military technologies are high-priority targets for the intelligence agencies of this country." The report described "An espionage operation run by the intelligence organization responsible for collecting scientific and technologic information for [Israel] paid a US government employee to obtain US classified military intelligence documents." The Washington Report on Middle East Affairs noted that this was "a reference to the 1985 arrest of Jonathan Pollard, a civilian US naval intelligence analyst who provided Israel's LAKAM [Office of Special Tasks] espionage agency an estimated 800,000 pages of classified US intelligence information."

The GAO report also noted that "Several citizens of [Israel] were caught in the United States stealing sensitive technology used in manufacturing artillery gun tubes."

1996 An Office of Naval Intelligence document, "Worldwide Challenges to Naval Strike Warfare" reported that "US technology has been acquired [by China] through Israel in the form of the Lavi fighter and possibly SAM [surface-to-air] missile technology." Jane's Defense Weekly noted that "until now, the intelligence community has not openly confirmed the transfer of US technology [via Israel] to China." The report noted that this "represents a dramatic step forward for Chinese military aviation."

1997 An Army mechanical engineer, David A. Tenenbaum, "inadvertently" gives classified military information on missile systems and armored vehicles to Israeli officials

1997 The Washington Post reports US intelligence has intercepted a conversation in which two Israeli officials had discussed the possibility of getting a confidential letter that then-Secretary of State Warren Christopher had written to Palestinian leader Yasir Arafat. One of the Israelis, identified only as "Dov", had commented that they may get the letter from "Mega", the code name for Israel’s top agent inside the United States.

1997 US ambassador to Israel, Martin Indyk, complains privately to the Israeli government about heavy-handed surveillance by Israeli intelligence agents.

1997 Israeli agents place a tap on Monica Lewinsky’s phone at the Watergate and record phone sex sessions between her and President Bill Clinton. The Ken Starr report confirms that Clinton warned Lewinsky their conversations were being taped and ended the affair. At the same time, the FBI’s hunt for "Mega" is called off.

2001 It is discovered that US drug agents’ communications have been penetrated. Suspicion falls on two companies, AMDOCS and Comverse Infosys, both owned by Israelis. AMDOCS generates billing data for most US phone companies and is able to provide detailed logs of who is talking to whom. Comverse Infosys builds the tapping equipment used by law enforcement to eavesdrop on all American telephone calls, but suspicion forms that Comverse, which gets half of its research and development budget from the Israeli government, has built a back door into the system that is being exploited by Israeli intelligence and that the information gleaned on US drug interdiction efforts is finding its way to drug smugglers.

The investigation by the FBI leads to the exposure of the largest foreign spy ring ever uncovered inside the United States, operated by Israel. Half of the suspected spies have been arrested when 9-11 happens. On 9-11, 5 Israelis are arrested for dancing and cheering while the World Trade Towers collapse. Supposedly employed by Urban Moving Systems, the Israelis are caught with multiple passports and a lot of cash. Two of them are later revealed to be Mossad. As witness reports track the activity of the Israelis, it emerges that they were seen at Liberty Park at the time of the first impact, suggesting a foreknowledge of what was to come. The Israelis are interrogated, and then eventually sent back to Israel. The owner of the moving company used as a cover by the Mossad agents abandons his business and flees to Israel.

The United States Government then classifies all of the evidence related to the Israeli agents and their connections to 9-11. All of this is reported to the public via a four part story on Fox News by Carl Cameron. Pressure from Jewish groups, primarily AIPAC, forces Fox News to remove the story from their website. Two hours prior to the 9-11 attacks, Odigo, an Israeli company with offices just a few blocks from the World Trade Towers, receives an advance warning via the internet. The manager of the New York Office provides the FBI with the IP address of the sender of the message, but the FBI does not follow up.

2001 JDL’s Irv Rubin arrested for planning to bomb a US Congressman. He dies before he can be brought to trial.

2002 The DEA issues a report that Israeli spies, posing as art students, have been trying to penetrate US Government offices.

2002 police near the Whidbey Island Naval Air Station in southern Washington State stop a suspicious truck and detain two Israelis, one of whom is illegally in the United States. The two men were driving at high speed in a Ryder rental truck, which they claimed had been used to "deliver furniture." The next day, police discovered traces of TNT and RDX military-grade plastic explosives inside the passenger cabin and on the steering wheel of the vehicle. The FBI then announces that the tests that showed explosives were "false positived" by cigarette smoke, a claim test experts say is ridiculous. Based on an alibi provided by a woman, the case is closed and the Israelis are handed over to INS to be sent back to Israel. One week later, the woman who provided the alibi vanishes.

2003 The Police Chief of Cloudcroft stops a truck speeding through a school zone. The drivers turn out to be Israelis with expired passports. Claiming to be movers, the truck contains junk furniture and several boxes. The Israelis are handed over to immigration. The contents of the boxers are not revealed to the public.

2003 Israel deploys assassination squads into other countries, including the United States. The US Government does not protest.

2004 Police near the Nuclear Fuel Services plant in Tennessee stop a truck after a three mile chase, during which the driver throws a bottle containing a strange liquid from the cab. The drivers turn out to be Israelis using fake Ids. The FBI refuses to investigate and the Israelis are released.

2004 Two Israelis try to enter Kings Bay Naval Submarine Base, home to eight Trident submarines. The truck tests positive for explosives.

Alternet, 2009 - Scratch a counterintelligence officer in the U.S. government and they'll tell you that Israel is not a friend to the United States.

This is because Israel runs one of the most aggressive and damaging espionage networks targeting the U.S.. The fact of Israeli penetration into the country is not a subject oft-discussed in the media or in the circles of governance, due to the extreme sensitivity of the U.S.-Israel relationship coupled with the burden of the Israel lobby, which punishes legislators who dare to criticize the Jewish state. . .

Israel's spying on the U.S., however, is a matter of public record, and neither conspiracy nor theory is needed to present the evidence. When the FBI produces its annual report to Congress concerning "Foreign Economic Collection and Industrial Espionage," Israel and its intelligence services often feature prominently as a threat second only to China. In 2005 the FBI noted, for example, that Israel maintains "an active program to gather proprietary information within the United States." A key Israeli method, said the FBI report, is computer intrusion. In 1996, the Defense Intelligence Service, a branch of the Pentagon, issued a warning that "the collection of scientific intelligence in the United States [is] the third highest priority of Israeli Intelligence after information on its Arab neighbors and information on secret U.S. policies or decisions relating to Israel." In 1979, the Central Intelligence Agency produced a scathing survey of Israeli intelligence activities that targeted the U.S. government. Like any worthy spy service, Israeli intelligence early on employed wiretaps as an effective tool, according to the CIA report. . .

According to the 1979 CIA report, the Israelis, while targeting political secrets, also devote "a considerable portion of their covert operations to obtaining scientific and technical intelligence." These operations involved, among other machinations, "attempts to penetrate certain classified defense projects in the United States." The penetrations, according to the CIA report, were effected using "deep cover enterprises," which the report described as "firms and organizations, some specifically created for, or adaptable to, a specific objective." At the time, the CIA singled out government-subsidized companies such as El Al airlines and Zim, the Israeli shipping firm, as deep cover enterprises. Other deep cover operations included the penetration of a U.S. company that provided weapons-grade uranium to the Department of Defense during the 1960s; Israeli agents eventually spirited home an estimated 200 pounds of uranium as the bulwark in Israel’s secret nuclear weapons program.

Reuters, 2002 - The French daily Le Monde reported that the United States had broken up a huge Israeli spy ring that may have trailed suspected al Qaeda members in the United States without informing federal authorities.

The newspaper cited a secret U.S. government report outlining spying activities by Israelis that it said contained "elements (that) support the theory that Israel did not give the U.S. all the information it had about the planning for the September 11 attacks."

Le Monde said the secret study said the Israelis posed as graphic arts students and tried to enter buildings belonging to the Drug Enforcement Administration and other U.S. agencies.

Intelligence Online, a Paris-based newsletter that reported on the study Monday, said some 120 Israeli spies had been arrested or expelled and inquiries were continuing.

Asked by Reuters Monday about the Intelligence Online report, an FBI spokesman flatly called it a "bogus story." The spokesman said: "There wasn't a spy ring."

In Israel, a spokesman said the prime minister had no comment on the matter.

Le Monde reported Intelligence Online's findings and added elements it said its reporters had uncovered.

"A vast Israeli espionage network operating on American territory has been broken up," it wrote.

The French newspaper described it as the biggest Israeli spy case in the United States to be made public since 1986, a reference to the life sentence given Jonathan Pollard, an American Jew who passed U.S. military secrets to Israel.

The Pollard affair strained relations between the United States and Israel, two traditionally close allies.

Le Monde said more than one third of the suspected Israeli spies had lived in Florida, where at least 10 of the 19 Arabs involved in the Sept. 11 airplane attacks on New York's World Trade Center and the Pentagon also lived.

Common Dreams, 2009 - The AIPAC influence on US politics is to such an extent that experts believe conformity to Israeli policies to be a necessary condition for all American politicians. A US court has formally dropped espionage charges against two pro-Israeli lobbyists amid a scandal that had threatened to expose the extent of Israeli grip on US politics.

US District Judge T. S. Ellis on Monday dismissed all charges against former AIPAC lobbyists Steve Rosen and Keith Weissman, three days after Justice Department prosecutors announced that handling the case would require the release of top secret military intelligence and should therefore be shelved.

Rosen and Weissman were indicted in 2005 for conspiring to obtain and leak classified information regarding Iran to the Israeli government and journalists from The Washington Post and other media outlets.

Pentagon expert Larry Franklin -- who pled guilty to passing restricted military intelligence to the two indicted lobbyists -- was sentenced in April to 12 years and seven months in prison.

AIPAC, billed as the most powerful lobbying group in Washington, has strived to distance itself from the spy case to escape further controversy for the sake of its reputation.

The controversy, however, was further fueled by revelations of the involvement of California representative Jane Harman -- a longtime member of the US House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence who has access to highly classified security information.

Harman was reportedly overheard on a wiretapped phone conversation while agreeing to act on behalf of a suspected Israeli agent and persuade the Justice Department into reducing espionage charges against Rosen and Weissman.

The Israeli agent, in return, promised to smooth the way for Harman to become the next chairman of the House Intelligence Committee.

[Sanders]

... but that will take a little preparation. I'll post again on this soon.

Sorry it took a little while to get back to you, Quest. I went back and watched that again, it's a pretty good flick and I give her a thumbs up for her efforts and for telling a part of the story which few people are aware of. But again, her view is somewhat myopic IMO. Here's a perfect example, the idea that the Rothschilds horse-traded with England for a piece of Palestine in return for US involvement in WWI. This is sort of accurate but only part of the story. One motivating factor for the fighting of the first World War was that oil had been discovered in Persia, and the Turks threatened the Standard Oil/Royal Dutch Shell oil monopoly by their and their German allies' presence in the Middle East. So kicking the Turks out served not just the Rothschilds who controlled Royal Dutch Shell, but the British whose Navy had switched from coal to oil, and the Rockefellers in the US who owned Standard Oil. Setting up a British Mandate/fledgeling Jewish state in Palestine after the war served these interests, because it provided a sort of security apparatus in the area. Secondly, the endowed foundations in the US had been discussing how to get the US involved in WWI from before the war even started - going back to 1908-9 in the case of the Carnegie Endowment according to Norman Dodd.

I mentioned little inaccuracies as well, like the Rothschild red-shield featuring the Star of David, this is an oft repeated rumor for which there is no evidence (it was probably a two-headed eagle). But I want to get past all that - where she and I really differ is on a much more fundamental level. This will take some explaining, but I'm going to try and put it all in a post here (for the record).

The lady who made Ring of Power, if I'm reading her right, builds from the premise that the Hyksos kings of Egypt and the Israelites were one and the same people, and that the expulsion of the Hyksos from Egypt and the 'exodus' of the Hebrews from Egypt to the holy land were one and the same event. I've looked into this and as far as I can tell, she is correct. So far we are totally in agreement. I should say here that it's widely accepted that the Hyksos originally came from northern Canaan/northwest Mesopotamia (an area colored orange on the map below). The Hyksos were warlike, they had better chariots than the Egyptians, better (composite) bows and their invasion of Egypt nearly 4000 years ago was brutal and bloody.

Here's how Manetho, the Egyptian historian described the Hysksos invasion -

...a blast of God smote us; and unexpectedly, from the regions of the East, invaders of obscure race marched in confidence of victory against our land. By main force they easily overpowered the rulers of the land, they then burned our cities ruthlessly, razed to the ground the temples of the gods, and treated all the natives with a cruel hostility, massacring some and leading into slavery the wives and children of others... Aegyptiaca., frag. 42, 1.75-79.2

There were officially 6 Hyksos kings of Egypt who ruled in the 15th and 16th dynasties, until Egypt re-liberated itself and kicked the Hyksos out.

On the map below #1 would be the Hyksos invasion of Egypt, and #2 would be their expulsion and return to the Levant, to what would become Judea/Israel.

She then (I'm still talking about Ring of Power) connects a slew of place names to the Tribe of Dan, one of the Israelite tribes, and a tribe that was known for its pagan leanings and its seafaring abilities. Names like Denmark, Sardonia, the Don, Danube, Dniester and Dnieper rivers, Danmoni, which meant the (tin) "mines of Dan" which is now Cornwall, Scan-Din-avia, a bunch of Scottish place names like AberDeen and E-Din-burgh can all potentially be linked to the Tribe of Dan (or some other "Dan" people?) and the list is endless. #3 below would be the Tribe of Dan setting out to conquer the world -

(IMG:http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/6070/ringmigration.gif)

OK, here's a slightly different version of events which I believe to be more complete. The clues which lead me to believe this are numerous and include, first, something the Greek historian Hecateus wrote about the expulsion of the Hyksos:

"The expelled foreigners followed Danaus and Cadmus from Egypt; but the greater number were led by Moses into Judæa”

Danaus and Cadmus may or may not have been real people, but they represent a migration of tribes from Egypt to Greece. Everything back then was recorded in myth form, just like the bible. If one can to take this into account and read between the lines, the myths tell us alot about ancient Greece.

Anyway, in the Greek myths there are two pairs of brothers born in Egypt, Aegyptus and Danaus, and Cadmus and Phoenix. Cadmus and Phoenix set out from Egypt and arrive in Phoenicia (the Levant/Canaan) where Phoenix remains. (It is for him of course that the Greeks called Canaan Phoenicia.) His brother Cadmus however continues on to Greece, where he slays the Ares dragon and settles Thebes. Thebes BTW, was also the name of a city in Egypt from which many of the Egyptian Pharaohs ruled. Danaus (note, a "Dan" term!) was a mythical cousin of Cadmus and Phoenix, and he goes straight from Egypt to Greece (or in a different version stops at the island of Rhodes along the way. There's a whole thing about the 50 sons and 50 daughters of Aegyptus and Danaus, but it's not pertinent so I'll skip all that).

An interesting correlation between Danau and the Dan of the bible is that Danaus was the son of a king Belus, while the patriarch of the Tribe of Dan was the son of the handmaiden Bilah - somewhat similar names which I suspect both derive from Bel or Ba'al, the Canaanite diety. Then there is one other figure, Dardanus, who may have been just mythical or may have been a real person, or at least represented real people. Dardanus migrated from Egypt to Greece and kept going, settling in western Anatolia and founding the city of Dardania on Mt. Ida. The nearby Dardanelles, a straight which separates Asia and Europe, were named for Dardanus. This fellow is important because the Trojan kings allegedly trace back to him, Dardanus' grandson was Tros, for whom Troy was named.

So, you have these and other clues, both mythical and historical, which point to this scenaro: #1, the Hyksos invade Egypt. (The maker of Ring of Power and I are in full agreement so far.) #2, the Egyptians kick the Hyksos out, and the line SPLITS. Some return to the Levant, as represented in the biblical Exodus to become the tribes of Israel and Judea, while others take off in their ships for Greece. Some remain there and are known as the Danaans, while others move into western Anatolia and Thrace to become Trojan tribes. Eventually the Trojans lose the Trojan war and many move to the opposite side of the Black Sea, among these peoples are the Aesir and probably Vanir ancestors of the Vikings, and other tribes which will become the Franks, most notably the Cimmerians. That migration is represented below as #3.

(IMG:http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/2787/mymigration.gif)


Also worth noting, the Spartans were probably part of this migration (#2), as is revealed in myth where the Spartan soldiers spring from the teeth of the Ares dragon which Cadmus had slayed (and then planted its teeth in the ground). Also, there is a passage in the 'Antiquities of the Jews' Book 12 by the 1st century Jewish historian Josephus, where Areus, King Of The Lacedemonians (Spartans) sends a letter to Onius I who was a high priest in Judea at the time (3rd century B.C.), translated:

"Areus, King Of The Lacedemonians, To Onias, Sendeth Greeting.

"We have met with a certain writing, whereby we have discovered that both the Jews and the Lacedemonians are of one stock, and are derived from the kindred of Abraham. It is but just therefore that you, who are our brethren, should send to us about any of your concerns as you please. We will also do the same thing, and esteem your concerns as our own, and will look upon our concerns as in common with yours. Demoteles, who brings you this letter, will bring your answer back to us. This letter is four-square; and the seal is an eagle, with a dragon in his claws."

The eagle and the dragon (snake actually) were both used as marks of the Tribe of Dan on their banner at different times, and here are described as being on the official seal of the Spartans. One other thing, the name Sparta probably derives from Subartu, which was an area between the Euphrates and Tigris rivers in northwestern Mesopotamia, the right portion of the area I colored orange on my map. In between Subartu and the coast I found the name Chalybonitis on an old map, which indicates that the Chalybes/Halybes of Colchis (modern day Georgia) in the Caucasus near the Black Sea during the Greek/Trojan era were also originally from this Ba'al worshipping area. These Halybes were famous for their weapon-making expertise and apparently gave king Arthur's sword its name, Ex-Calibur (the 'Ex' was for the Exe river in Devon).

Regarding the linking of European place names to the Tribe of Dan, the "Dan" people who invaded Ireland in antiquity were the Tuatha de Danaan, who are described as having sojourned in Greece and as being a Scythian people - which would make it very unlikely that they and the Tribe of Dan were one and the same. My view is that the name Dan has deeper significance and that the Tribe of Dan, the Danaan of Greece and the Tuatha de Danaan were simply closely related tribes, probably who all shared a history in Egypt.

Then you have the Huns, or I should say nomadic Hunnic tribes, who also seem to have originated from this little area on the northern Levant I've been talking about. (Evidence here.) They go all the way to Mongolia (#1 below), fight with the Chinese who call them the "Xiongnu" (while Xiongnu and Chinese Han royalty intermarry a bit), suffer defeats in the 1st century and (#2) head back to Scythia (later to become Khazaria). Meanwhile the former Trojan tribes of the Black Sea region are migrating into northern Europe and Scandinavia (#3) and will become known alternately as the Franks and the Vikings. The Saxons are probably part of this same migration too, for the Saka were Scythians. The Huns tried to take over parts of Europe in the 4th and 5th centuries (#4), this is when Attila lived. Finally in the 9th century the Magyars (closely related to the Huns or a tribe in the Hunnic federation depending on what you read) along with another Khazarian tribe the Kabars, take over Hungary, while on the other side of Europe Rollo and his Vikings take over northern France. Following these invasions the ruling families of these Vikings and Khazar/Huns and the Frank and Saxon dynasties that are already in place start to intermarry.

(IMG:http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/104/hunmigration.gif)

(IMG:http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/7475/khazarvikingmigraton.gif)

That's a whole 'nother big topic that I hesitate to get into, but I will mention that the blood connections between various Germanic houses (like Wettin, Wittelsbach, Hohenstauffen, Babenberg and Brunswick), English, Scot and Frank/Norman royalty, and the noble families of Europe active in the Crusades form a sort of spider web with two related families at its center - the family of Vladimir Grand Prince of Kiev and the Arpad family, the descendents of Attila the Hun who ruled Hungary beginning at the end of the 9th century. This is a highly simplified genealogy, but it gives the idea:
http://urokomovie.com/melissena_genealogy.html

I can't overstate how closely allied the family of Vladimir and this son Yaroslav, who ruled the Ukraine from Kiev, and the Hungarian ruling Arpad family were ... Andrew Arpad, before ascending the throne and becoming King of Hungary lived in exile in Kiev under Yaroslav's protection, and the families are related by marraige - Andrew married Yaroslav's sister Anastasia. The hier to the English throne, Edward the Exile lived there too, and while the identity of his wife (Agatha) is disputed, she may well have been one of Vladimir's younger daughters. The daughter of Edward and Agatha, Margaret, was born in Hungary after they moved there with Andrew who had become king, and she wound up marrying Malcom III king of Scotland and siring the wife and queen of Henry II of England. If Margaret's mother was a daughter of Vladimir (and there is good evidence she was), her grandmother would have been Anna Porphyrogenita, a Byzantine Princess (a wife of Vladimir's). She in turn was a close descendent of Melissena, whose ancestors included royal Khazars and Huns. This Melissena and two of her descendents, one of which (Anna) married Vladimir and another Byzantine princess who married a German Holy Roman Emperor (more about that below) may be very important, for it was the route whereby Khazar royal blood mixed with that of the rest of European royalty. There is a conspicuous assortment of blue and white coats of arms which follows Melissena's blood descendents and the Jewish/Khazar entry into Germanic Europe around and includes the blue and white checked Bavarian flag. This color theme appears to originate with the coat of arms of Melissena's grandfather, the Byzantine Emperor Rangabe I. Above Margaret's head on a stained glass window in a church in Scotland is this same crest - a white cross with fleur-de-lis tips on a blue background, indicating that indeed Margaret's mother was the daughter of Vladimir by Anna Porphyrogenita, hence of royal Khazar descent. (It is critical to note that the Israeli flag is also blue and white.)

(IMG:http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/9928/margaretchapel.gif)

...That doesn't mean Margaret was Jewish, nor were Anna nor Anna's royal Byzantine ancestors who were in fact Christian, but when Margaret and king Malcom of Scotland later had a son, they named him David - a decidedly Hebrew name for the son of a Scottish pagan king (!). Meanwhile king Andrew of Hungary, also married to a daughter of Vladimir whose mother may also have been Anna of Porphyrogenita, named one of his sons Solomon. Very peculiar names indeed for Christian kings at the time, in Hungary or in Scotland.

(By the way, Melissena's significance with regard to the introduction of royal Khazar blood into European royalty was (many and I are convinced) honored in her being immortalized in the myth of Melusine, the mermaid on the Starbucks coffee logo.)

... Finally, there is the family crest of Vlad, a family which I and at least one very smart person I know of believe descend from this same Vladimir of Kiev, who was very prolific and sired dozens of kids legitimately and probably hundreds illegitimately (he had maybe 800 concubines).

Check it out - also blue and white, it's practically the flag of Israel:

(IMG:http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/8638/vlad.gif)

This pagan symbol, like the crest of Vlad, is of course much older than its use as a symbol of Judaism, and Vladimir was a ruthless pagan (although he converted to Christianity as a condition of marriage to Anna).

The star of David can be found on lots of crests in the elite circle of (non-Jewish) families - one very conspicuous one is the coat of arms of the Payen family:

(IMG:http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/5888/payen.gif)

Payen meant 'Pagan', and Hughe de Payen was the leader of the original 9 Templar Knights.



So, what am I really getting at? The Franks, the Vikings, the Huns (which I believe included the Bulgars, Khazars, Magyars, Kabars, White Huns Black Huns and Red Huns etc.), maybe the Saxons (I haven't really looked much at them), the ruling class of which together formed the aristocracy of medieval Europe and Britain, and of course the Israelites and Israelite refugees who may well have been part of the Jewish Khazar ruling elite, were ALL originally Hebrews from Canaan, or at least their leaders were, and they were all infamous for their warring ways and excelled at conquering indigenous peoples wherever they went and taking over. One thing, when I say 'Hebrew', it's very important to understand what I mean. Hebrews were people descended from Eber, an ancestor of Abraham ... saying someone is Hebrew doesn't mean they are Jewish, and therein lies the rub. We could extract ourselves from all this food fighting about Jewish involvement in a conspiracy to run the world if people could learn a bit about history and call it what it really is ... a HEBREW conspiracy.

Anyway, back to topic, one has to wonder if the rulers of these various peoples, who fought one another from time to time, understood this common ancestral connection, or their kinship with the Israelites? I don't know - but the Franks probably understood their own Trojan roots for they named the capital of Champagne Troyes, interestingly where some of the original Templar knights hailed from. Furthermore there was a Merovingian named Samson, the Merovingians advertised an alleged blood connection to Mary Magdalene, and Charlemagne sent to the Caliph of Baghdad for "seed" of the Davidic line of kings of Israel, receiving in return Rabbi Makhir who he showered with lands, title and a Frankish wife.

I left some things out, there's more to the story, there's a lot I don't know, and one can't be 100% certain of any of this stuff, but there are a lot of clues floating around which all point to this sort of history, and there is DEFINITELY some sort of effort to keep this stuff secret - to keep the controversy couched in an 'us against the Jews' format. Every time I stumble on a particularly significant point of interest to my inquiry, there is controversy, there is censorship - and I mean the available resources going back hundreds of years.

One last thing, something really surprising I just discovered. Lots of people have tried to figure out the roots of the Rothschild family, with no success. But there is another Jewish family nearly as important as the Rothschilds, who have been close allies of the Rothschilds for 2 centuries as well as the owners of the oldest privately held bank in the world, the Warburgs. Paul Warburg, architect of the Federal Reserve act and his younger brother Max Warburg, head of I.G.Farben before WWII and a director at the Reichsbank at the time are important figures, as everyone knows.

So I was looking at the Warburgs listed at a genealogy site I like and I saw a bunch of Konrad von Wargergs. The name Konrad is a red flag to me, you see the name all the time when you go poking around the lineages of Germanic kings and counts and landgraves. Conrad II was a Holy Roman Emperor and there were a bunch of Conrad or Konrad kings of Germany, Conrad III being the first one of the house of Hohenstauffen (the Cohen family crest is identical to the Hohen crest except for a color change from blue to red) not to mention a slew of Conrad Counts of Bavaria, Swabia and Luxembourgh.

Anyway, go to this link and click on Konrad VI von Warberg's great-grandfather, Konrad von Werberg.

http://fabpedigree.com/s088/f974686.htm

Then on that page, click on his great-grandfather Konrad I Count of Hagen. You'll see on his mother's side back a few generations Otto of Saxony and his mother Oda Billung of Thurungia. Oda Billung of Thurungia was Frank nobility and was possibly the great-granddaughter of Charlemagne. Her son Otto's son was Henry the Fowler (!), his grandson was Otto the Great, and his son, Otto II was a Holy Roman Emperor ... AND, Otto II married Theophanu of Byzantium who was a close descendent of Melissena, through who royal Khazar blood flowed into the royal houses of Europe, both through this connection and the marriage of Vladimir (the above-mentioned Grand Prince of Kiev) to Anna Porphyrogenita (one of two royal Khazar-blood pipelines, as I have mentioned - see same genealogy link as above, Otto I and Otto II are near the top just left of center.)

And here they all are connected to the Warburg family !!!

One can look at things going on today or in recent history and point to the disruptive and criminal activities of Zionists as well as Jewish bankers at the head of a financial pyramid which controls much of the central banking around the world. No problems from me there. But when you try to trace the Jewish faction of the ruling elite back in time (as she attempts to do in Ring of Power) what you find, if you aren't prejuduced to a preconceived POV and let the chips fall where they may, is that the Vikings, Franks, Saxons and Huns who literally built Europe and Britain and the Israelites all have the same roots (at least with regard to the rulers of these peoples), some even appear to have been in Egypt with the proto-Israelites. The lady who made Ring of Power sort of connects the Israelites to the Vikings, but she does so by claiming that the Vikings were really the Tribe of Dan (??). Maybe some of them were, but there's a ton of clues that say the Viking and Frank kings descend from the Trojans, who were never in Judea but came to the Agean from Egypt - which explains perfectly the long-held obsession of the western elite with Egyptian symbols. It is these deep connections between the Jewish banking elite and the Christian ruling elite (all Zionists really, since the first Crusade), connections between the Templars and their Freemason hiers and the Jewish merchants in Portugal, Spain, England and Holland, that tell me that the two are and have long been intimately linked - kissing cousins if you will.

My problems with movies like this and Ring of Power isn't that she makes minor errors, or that she directs blame for the world's troubles toward Jewish banking families like the Rothschilds ... it's that she leaves the non-Jewish elite out of the equation, and fails to differentiate between Hebrew and Jew.

This post has been edited by Sanders: May 27 2010, 04:56 PM

[Quest]

My problems with movies like this and Ring of Power isn't that she makes minor errors, or that she directs blame for the world's troubles toward Jewish banking families like the Rothschilds ... it's that she leaves the non-Jewish elite out of the equation, and fails to differentiate between Hebrew and Jew.

A lot of good information here Sanders - much of which I hadn't known. I can see why you were critical of Ring of Power. Still, I believe she is going after what the most visible and obvious elements of the NWO are; bankers, Federal Reserve, Zionists, Israel and these happen to be the least discussed facets of the NWO, anywhere. I think that's why she, and people like Bolllyn and Hufschmid sound like one-trick-ponies, yet, the information and focus they provide is vital.

One point I have been meaning to make is how mafias, in particular, the Zionist Russian mafia, fits in with this. I believe that mafias have ALWAYS existed wherever there have been nations with "governments" and their purpose is myriad. They offer plausible deniablilty for "off the record" black ops and drug trafficing as well as assasinations and intimidation of opposing parties, groups as well. I believe also you will find that governments will create mafias if none of their liking exist. When you look at this last point and then, the makeup of the 'leaders' of the so-called Bolshevik Revolution (actually Bolshevik Genocide), Jewish-Zionist-Masons, and then their targets, 60 million white, Christian, Russians, Latvians, Lithuanians and Ukranians, and contrast that with political/finacial leaders in Wash DC and Wall Street, you must ask yourself, "Is what I see actually what is happening?" Then ask yourself, who made the sex-based TV commercials of black men on white women in western media? Who made the Levis commercial wth the AMERICA neon sign sinking in the water? Which religion(s) is attacked constantly in the media and which are not? I ask these last few quessstions with a question of my own in mind, and that is, wouldn't the power in charge of the NWO, protect it's race if it had the awareness of a theat and the power to do something about it?

Thank about that one.

This post has been edited by Quest: May 28 2010, 10:47 PM