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Evangelicals Israel And The Rapture

Timothy Osman
post Sep 6 2008, 12:03 PM
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I need some help here from the learned ones regarding religion. I have somehow managed to avoid all forms of worship all my life and this has left me disadvantaged when trying to understand what might be a crucial part of what we're being socially engineered towards.
The choice of Palin as McCain's running mate must scare the crap out of any sane person when you use Republican math, McCain + Palin + Diebold = Victory. Since 70 Million Americans are Evangelicals and they're going to love Palin.
She has all the bases covered, born Catholic, christened Pentecostal, turned Evangelical. blink.gif
It's easy to laugh at these clowns when they start talking in tongues and rolling around on the carpet but the relationship with Israel and this desire to bring on this BS end times prophecy is frightening.

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PatRobertson.com - One day in the late 19th Century, Queen Victoria of England reportedly asked her Prime Minister, Benjamin Disraeli, this question:

"Mr. Prime Minister, what evidence can you give me of the existence of God?"

Disraeli thought for a moment and then replied, "The Jew, your majesty."

Think of it, according to Disraeli the primary evidence that God exists is the existence of the Jewish people… A people who in 586 BC were deported to Babylon, yet returned after seventy years to rebuild a nation. Who were again brutally massacred and dispersed by the Romans in 70 AD, yet after countless centuries of Diaspora, expulsions, pogroms, ghettos, and attempts at genocidal extermination, have clung to their faith, their customs-and now after some 2500 years of wandering have returned to the land promised by God to their ancestors. A new nation began in that land in 1948 named after their ancestor Jacob, whose divinely appointed name Israel means "Prince with God." And to fulfill another ancient prophecy, God moved on the heart of Eliezer Ben-Yehuda, whose son Ehud told me that, while his father was living in Eastern Europe, he heard a voice and saw a light directing him to bring forth for the Jewish people a pure language-Hebrew-the language of the Torah and of the ancient prophets.

Yes, the survival of the Jewish people is a miracle of God. The return of the Jewish people to the land promised to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is a miracle of God. The remarkable victories of Jewish armies against overwhelming odds in successive battles in 1948, and 1967, and 1973 are clearly miracles of God. The technological marvels of Israeli industry, the military prowess, the bounty of Israeli agriculture, the fruits and flowers and abundance of the land are a testimony to God's watchful care over this new nation and the genius of this people.

Yet what has happened was clearly foretold by the ancient prophet Ezekiel, who, writing at the time of the Babylonian captivity, declared this message for the Jewish people concerning latter days.

"For I will take you out of the nation; I will gather you from all the countries and bring you back to your own land… I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you… to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws. You will live in the land I gave your forefathers; you will be my people and I will be your God. I will save you from all your uncleanness.

"I will call for the grain and make it plentiful… I will increase the fruit of the trees and the crops of the field, so that you will no longer suffer disgrace among the nations because of famine…

"This is what the Sovereign Jehovah says, 'On the day I cleanse you from all your sins, I will resettle your towns, and the ruins will be rebuilt. The desolate land will be cultivated instead of lying desolate in the sight of all who pass through it. They will say, "This land that was laid waste has become like the garden of Eden; the cities that were lying in ruins, desolate and destroyed, are now fortified and inhabited.'

"Then the nations around you that remain will know that I, Jehovah, have rebuilt what was destroyed and have replanted what was desolate. I, Jehovah, have spoken, and I will do it." Ezekiel 36:24 ff.

Ladies and Gentleman, evangelical Christians support Israel because we believe that the words of Moses and the ancient prophets of Israel were inspired by God. We believe that the emergence of a Jewish state in the land promised by God to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob was ordained by God.

We believe that God has a plan for this nation which He intends to be a blessing to all the nations of the earth.

Of course, we, like all right-thinking people, support Israel because Israel is an island of democracy, an island of individual freedom, an island of the rule of law, and an island of modernity in the midst of a sea of dictatorial regimes, the suppression of individual liberty, and a fanatical religion intent on returning to the feudalism of 8th Century Arabia.
These facts about modern day Israel are all true. But mere political rhetoric does not account for the profound devotion to Israel that exists in the hearts of tens of millions of evangelical Christians.

You must realize that the God who spoke to Moses on Mount Sinai is our God. Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are our spiritual Patriarchs. Jeremiah, Ezekiel, and Daniel are our prophets. King David, a man after God's own heart, is our hero. The Holy City of Jerusalem is our spiritual capital. And the continuation of Jewish sovereignty over the Holy Land is a further bulwark to us that the God of the Bible exists and that His Word is true.

And we should clearly take note that evangelical Christians serve a Jew that we believe was the divine Messiah of Israel, spoken of by the ancient prophets, to whom He entrusted the worldwide dissemination of His message to twelve Jewish apostles.


http://www.patrobertson.com/Speeches/IsraelLauder.asp

That's this Pat Robertson. The sincerely bigoted zealot.

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=IgKCu2oHeRY
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post Sep 6 2008, 01:03 PM
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QUOTE (Timothy Osman @ Sep 4 2008, 02:03 PM) *
I need some help here from the learned ones regarding religion.

The best I can offer is a suggestion to have a look at:

http://richarddawkins.net/

You don't have to read all of Dawkins' books (but it could help and be very enlightening along the way, see below) but a start with the obvious

'The God Delusion' would be good and also 'The Devil's Chaplin'.

Two of the more approachable books of his is 'Climbing Mount Improbable' and 'Unweaving the Rainbow' closely followed by 'The Blind Watch-Maker' and 'River out of Eden'.

A little while back I created a bookmark (which could be arranged in a row of 5 in a document for printing and cutting out your own) which I'll link to here, having just ftp'd a copy to my web site:



The above is a small version for screen viewing if you would like a print version, 300 dpi and 982KB, then click here

I cannot claim originality of the text for that came from a contributor to the richarddawkins site.

Edit: make post more Forum friendly.

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post Sep 6 2008, 02:44 PM
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I can't explain my reasoning in a single post, but my opinion:

US + Britain + Israel = one unified state. (Funny how they call it the "state" of Israel?) - It does and yet it doesn't have much to do with religion in the Judeo-Christian sense. Much of our culture is a collection of cover stories to convince people to support the goals of the top elite, that includes the Jewish homeland campaign and the recent end-times hysteria as well, IMHO. I don't even know what the real goal is, or the rational. But I'll bet the number of Rothschilds who actually live in Israel is "0".

In other words, if you look at Christian religion or Jewish religion hoping to discover why leaders of both faiths cooperate so seamlessly, or why there are so many Christian Zionists, or why the US sends billions to Israel every year, or why the media protects Israel's image so dliigently despite the crimes going on in the occupied territories, or why there are so many powerful Jewish banking familiies, ... you won't find the answer. The connection lies elsewhere.

Sorry to be cryptic. Please read my "dragon" thread in 'Research' if this stuff bothers you. I haven't solved the puzzle yet, but I'm trying. (I could very well be full of it, but this stuff is starting to make some sense to me finally.)
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post Sep 6 2008, 09:12 PM
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The agenda is to eleminate all major religions, and atheism
and bring in a new religion of Earth worship (Gaia).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFXIALf9zDA

It is the individual person who is under attack,
regardless of their personal beliefs,
this is the agenda.
(not mine)

imo, lunk
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Timothy Osman
post Sep 6 2008, 09:58 PM
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The agenda is to eleminate all major religions, and atheism
and bring in a new religion of Earth worship (Gaia).


Yeah I see that too Lunk. I also see on the other hand the hardliners being based around religious fundamentalists with US supremacy and control of energy being first and foremost while the Soft power crew lean more towards the UN and global governance. The thing is both these ideologies overlap on Zionism and the defence of Israel and this could be the key to understanding the ultimate agenda.
Lets face it if you were playing soldiers on a world map and you were given the nation of Israel to play from you would not be happy. As an Australian politician said, Israel has the strategic depth of a beachfront suburb.
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post Sep 10 2008, 03:14 AM
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The agenda is to eleminate all major religions, and atheism
and bring in a new religion of Earth worship (Gaia).


It's time to find some tree's

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