Chemtrail Footage Leaves Much Less Doubt That They Are Real, merged, edited title Options

[Omega892R09]

I also remember hearing that consuming diatomaceous clay is supposed to help with detoxing the minerals from one's system, but haven't tried it firsthand.

Well its your call bud but I sure ain't going there:

http://curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1238378

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[dMz]

Actually, in retrospect O892 the desert areas that I have frequented have several bentonite quarries. Perhaps I have been getting the airborne bentonite dose already from driving our dusty "dirt" roads. This fortunately might make spraying much less effective over the ancient clay beds, and I often only see legitimate contrails or no trails in the "American outback." We usually noticed feeling pronouncedly better after several days in the desert (if rather sunburned and dehydrated however) and air pollution is a likely contributor.

Back to "electrosmog," IARC has EMF as a Class 2B Carcinogen. I can look up some DoD regs on this, but I think I already posted that link here before.

http://www.revolt.co.uk/sage/response.php

Here is the DoD i6055 reg:

http://cryptome.sabotage.org/dodi6055-11.htm

[lunk]

Ingesting clay is one thing,
....but blogging about the outcome?

Come on, Omega,
try some clay.

LOL, lunk

[amazed!]

Military aircraft do not have "N" numbers. Just a type of serial number and unit markings in some cases.

I would still like to know how, without samples being taken, one can differentiate between chemtrails and contrails?

[dMz]

Hi amazed. Post #4 above (which bill posted here on another thread previously). Then there is that ~10 years experienced observation factor (for Carnicom, myself, and a few others here). I've seen the "precipitates" on various windshield(s) for years and may be gaining indirect access to a mass spectrometer soon for nearly-firsthand testing purposes. Again, I often only see what my experienced eye tells me are legitimate contrails in the remote areas that I frequent. Also don't military aircraft usually have ANG or USAF numbers (or "wing badges")? (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Look out your window.

(IMG:http://www.owsweather.com/chemalert2.jpg)

Not sure how something that can be forecast, reliably, ahead of time,
can be said to not exist.

There are days when the sky is clear and there are virtually no planes,
but most of the time there is one flying over almost every 10 minutes,
especially on the forecast heavy spray days.
Just watch and pay attention.

Naturally occurring?
(IMG:http://weatherwars.info/images/holes/Trish1.JPG)
(IMG:http://weatherwars.info/images/holes/holecloud_knain.jpg)

Look deeply into these clouds...you are getting very sleepy...
(IMG:http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp49/HighSeaRocks/chemtrails/911amw15-10-08.jpg)

The lines in the sky, when I was young, were not anything like what is happening these days.
(IMG:http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp49/HighSeaRocks/chemtrails/955amn3-10-08.jpg)

And then there is all the official documentation,
spikes of rare poisonous metal salts turning up in surface water
after heavy spray days, and the atmospheric patents that involve these same chemicals like, Barium, Cadmium and so on.
And the hepa filter samples taken from aircraft that have flown through these jet trails and found the same high levels of the same poisons.

(IMG:http://d1027732.mydomainwebhost.com/charts/our%20charts/particulates_b.jpg)


We are being poisoned, the air we breath is being seriously messed with, intentionally,
with no regard for human health.

imo, lunk

(edit) I meant surface water

[lunk]

Military aircraft do not have "N" numbers. Just a type of serial number and unit markings in some cases.

I would still like to know how, without samples being taken, one can differentiate between chemtrails and contrails?

The refractive index, perhaps.

(IMG:http://i412.photobucket.com/albums/pp210/rongrite/IMG_6357.jpg)

If the distance to the trail is known, and the angle between the point of refraction and the sun is measured, one should be able to calculate the refractive index.

Different refractive indexes could indicate the presents of substances other than H2O.

There also is a lot more planes flying overhead, on days that the tralis lingure and spread, then days when there are no lasting trails

(and the few planes flying, on the non-spray days, seem to be going to or from a known airport.)

imo, lunk

[dMz]

Perhaps we should change this thread title from "No Doubt" to "Little/Much Less Reasonable Doubt" [and add "& US Patents & MSDS Warning Sheets" after "Footage" too if we have room]. Add a poll (if I knew how)? Carl?

Everyone free to quote my signature & USAF/NASA/EPA/NOAA/NWS [EDIT: Official Government Meteorological Theory (OGMT) (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) ] as needed, though.

[grizz]

There also is a lot more planes flying overhead, on days that the trails linger and spread, then days when there are no lasting trails

(and the few planes flying, on the non-spray days, seem to be going to or from a known airport.)

That is the case here as well. Ordinary planes fly south/north or north/south, and there are not that many of them. Only flights between LA or San Francisco and Portland or Seattle. There are no airports west of here, except in Japan, and none east. Yet on spray days we get east/west planes and lines where there are never any flights on non-spray days.

[grizz]

I would still like to know how, without samples being taken, one can differentiate between chemtrails and contrails?

It's easy, really. Here's a photo of a normal contrail from a plane flying right next to a freshly laid down chemtrail.

(IMG:http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p9/chainlighting/chemtrails/old006.jpg)

[lunk]

Sort of hard to tell if they are at the same altitude.

How about stereo pictures?

(IMG:http://i412.photobucket.com/albums/pp210/rongrite/stereotrails.jpg)

Cross your eyes and see a 3d sky.

(careful they don't stay that way)

(edit) added
Some interesting information on refraction:

Index of Refraction: The index of refraction is a number that corresponds to the amount of bending that light will experience when traveling from one medium to another. The larger the differences in the refractive index, the more bending we get. For us, the more the light bends, the closer the focal point and the higher the magnification. Unfortunately, water and/or ice aren't the best materials for lenses.
Material Approximate Index of Refraction

Air Close to 1
Glass 1.5 to 1.9
Water 1.33
Ice 1.3

If we compare the indices of refraction, we see that Ice has the smallest number. Therefore, if we were to build two lenses identical in size and shape, one made from glass and one made from water, the lens made of glass would have higher magnification and would do a better job at starting a fire. To make an ice lens with the same magnification necessitates that we increase the curvature.

http://wildwoodsurvival.com/survival/fire/...efromice3a.html

This post has been edited by lunk: Nov 26 2008, 08:47 PM

[lunk]

Perhaps we should change this thread title from "No Doubt" to "Little/Much Less Reasonable Doubt" [and add "& US Patents & MSDS Warning Sheets" after "Footage" too if we have room]. Add a poll (if I knew how)? Carl?

Everyone free to quote my signature & USAF/NASA/EPA/NOAA/NWS [EDIT: Official Government Meteorological Theory (OGMT) (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) ] as needed, though.

How about,

Sky High Questions
that must be answered

[dMz]

...and yes, there are waves in this [sun dog] picture, too.

That's a good idea, Dmole, reverse engineer the waves.

We need an altitude, I think.

So your "sun dogs" don't come in pairs then lunk? Mine usually do, and the legend said something about them chasing each other around the sun until... Well, that was decades ago.

Here's something for the "rainy day," tinkering lunk that might be worthwhile:

5hz to 500 Khz Frequency-Meter
Home-made, accurate, and simple solution!

http://www.ikalogic.com/freq_meter.php

(From the frequency counter Wiki, but mine came from eBay).

[lunk]

So your "sun dogs" don't come in pairs then lunk? Mine usually do, and the legend said something about them chasing each other around the sun until... Well, that was decades ago.

Here's something for the "rainy day," tinkering lunk that might be worthwhile:

5hz to 500 Khz Frequency-Meter
Home-made, accurate, and simple solution!

http://www.ikalogic.com/freq_meter.php

(From the frequency counter Wiki, but mine came from eBay).

Yep, I got that same meter.
I'm a little hesitant to attempt to mod it, though.

Things that are also on my wish list are:

-Geiger counter,
-Emf meter,
-spectrum analyzer,
...and internally illuminated long underwear.

Here is a little "uh huh" that popped into my brain,
What frequency of light is absorbed through the skin
that makes vitamin D?

What happens, if that particular spectrum of sunlight is blocked (filtered)
from hitting the Earth, and all the light bulbs are mandated
incapable of providing this spectrum, and supplementary vitamin D
is only available with a prescription?

A planned Vitamin deficiency epidemic, in the making!?

[dMz]

Here is a little "uh huh" that popped into my brain,
What frequency of light is absorbed through the skin
that makes vitamin D?

What happens, if that particular spectrum of sunlight is blocked (filtered)
from hitting the Earth, and all the light bulbs are mandated
incapable of providing this spectrum, and supplementary vitamin D
is only available with a prescription?

A planned Vitamin deficiency epidemic, in the making!?

YAAAYY!!! Lunk wins a prize that I honestly didn't know I was giving! [Have you evil Canadians somehow surreptitiously planted a micro-camera inside Mi' Dingo?]

Oh yeah, here's your prize:

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....&p=10747186

http://www.lucypringle.co.uk/photos/2008/uk2008af5.jpg

(IMG:http://www.lucypringle.co.uk/photos/2008/uk2008af5.jpg)

Oh yeah, here's your prize:

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....&p=10747188

http://www.tfcbooks.com/images/articles/19...0500_fig_11.gif

(IMG:http://www.tfcbooks.com/images/articles/1919-05-00/19190500_fig_11.gif)

Umm... who won?

YAAAY! Oceans Flow wins!!!!.....

Umm... who won?

YAAAAY!!!! OBAMA will save us!!! (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[amazed!]

If the atmospheric conditions are such that contrails are not being produced, how can an observer on the ground conclude that "there are no airplanes flying today" when an airplane flying at 35000 feet or above would not be visible to that observer?

Happy Thanksgiving guys! (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/cheers.gif)

[lunk]

If the atmospheric conditions are such that contrails are not being produced, how can an observer on the ground conclude that "there are no airplanes flying today" when an airplane flying at 35000 feet or above would not be visible to that observer?

Happy Thanksgiving guys! (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/cheers.gif)

That's a good point.

However, many of these, trail leaving planes, are
flying much lower these days.
I can see their wings without magnification, most of the time.
And as it gets dark, even the very high ones,
give themselves away with their blinking lights.

I'm still very curious about the rain water test results, from Bill.

We've had our thanksgiving already, here in the Great White North.
But I see nothing wrong with having two.

cheers, lunk

[beatles64]

EDIT: Apparently, my post did not go well with one member, and I respect that, so I changed this....

This post has been edited by beatles64: Nov 27 2008, 10:31 PM

[beatles64]

What I am still wondering is this....


All Events Take Place in the same day....within one hour (for the sake of argument)

Airplane A flys, leave no trail
Airplane B, leaves a small trail
Airplane C, leaves a large trail


For the sake of argument, how do we distinguish between these events, and how do we know one is abnormal?

I don't have the required background, but, I can think of many variables that come into play, including, but not limited to:
Airplane Height, Airplane Engine, Fuel Used, Weather Conditions, Winds, Weather Patterns, etc....


I am left wondering, have we covered all the options that don't involve something unusual going on.....better yet, is it possible to cover all these options?



(IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/angry.gif) This is not a fun subject

This post has been edited by beatles64: Nov 27 2008, 10:38 PM

[dMz]

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[lunk]

Here is a practical question.

How far apart do 2 cameras have to be apart to show
visible parallax between planes flying over 10 000 feet?

Any suggestions?

(edit) added

It's funny how just figuring out the right question,
makes finding the answer a lot easier.

I figure that I can see the distance between things,
without any other reference, to about 250 feet,
with just my 2 eyes, at a 3 inch spread, between their center,
that's a quarter of a foot. so, 250*4=1000
that's a ratio of 1000:1.
scaling up, to see planes at 10000 feet, 10000/1000=10
one would need to take 2 pictures, 10 feet apart, simultaneous.

Ok,
16 foot 2x4,
some tape and
2 digital cameras.

Tape the cameras to each end of the 2x4,
so that they are pointing at the same distant point.
Aim the cameras at persistent and vaporizing trails, in question.
Set one camera on a 10 second delay, run to the other one and
take a 3D picture of the sky...or get someone else to help.
The trick is to get both cameras to shoot at the same time.

There are a number of ways to view the 2 pictures,
put them side by side and cross your eyes, bringing the 3D image into focus,
or put them side by side the other way, and look at them wall eyed, bringing them into focus,
or have them both alternately flash on your screen, back and forth, over top of each other,
in a .gif multi image format. (not quite sure yet how to make these)

Here is an example of what I mean,
these pictures were taken about 8 feet, and 30 seconds apart:

(IMG:http://i412.photobucket.com/albums/pp210/rongrite/stereotrails.jpg)

This is arranged so you must look at it cross eyed, to see 3D.

This post has been edited by lunk: Nov 28 2008, 02:24 AM