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Posted by: Sanders Oct 21 2006, 02:51 PM

JDX started this place (I believe). He is a pilot who was very active on the LC forum, and his intention I am sure was to create a place where actual pilots could come and discuss their take on the whole 9/11 thing. Obviously it was not the only reason d'etre for this place, but every forum has it's own personality due to it's roots, and assuredly those are this place's roots.

Whoops ! The pilots are outnumbered ! This place has been overun with run-of-the-mill truthers !!!
None of which could fly a plane if their life depended on it ! (Well, I think I could fly one at least as well as Hani Hanjour, but...)

Kidding aside, there actually is a point to this post, JDX asked me to write something... which it is my pleasure to do.

Don't be fooled by the name of the forum - we are all pilots for truth. To pilot means to GUIDE, the use of the word is not restricted to airplanes. And that's what we are all doing here, anyway, to guide, to pilot, people to the truth about 9/11 - and you all know that it's not like the JFK assassination, a hobby, trying to decifer what happened some 40 years ago. It is happening NOW. 9/11 was the jump-start of what can only be considered, completion of a plan to enslave the human race, the enslavement of the planet's population's minds and souls and bodies and the fruits of their labor. War and killing is in the cards. That's why 9/11 was necessary - to forment enough hate in America to allow what is happening now, and what will soon happen (tomorrow, I hear), to take place.

There will be millions killed before this is all over. (Probably half a million dead as I write this already.)

This is a serious post, and I am a serious person ... but I'm old enough to know that what's the use in losing one's sense of humor and LIFE FORCE obsessing about this stuff. Because what one is in danger of losing is what one is trying to save in the first place - happiness. The framers were righteous dudes - they put that in the Declaration of Independence - the Pursuit of HAPPINESS. That is why we are here, that is why we "Rage Against the Dying of the Light". To rage against a looming threat to our Happiness.

Some posts were made about a possible forum name change here, but I'm pretty cool with it as it is... TRUST me, we/JDX won't need a PR campaign to bring people in here - they are already coming. Ironically, the specificiity of the forum name (I'm saying this with all due kudos to the actual pilots here worthy.gif ) , may work in the the forum's favor. I had a little discussion about this on Cary's forum I think, there are 3 or 4 forums that are "blossoming" at the moment - we should promote good communication between them all, let's all have "Oshiri ga karui" (sorry, I can't help but steal from Japanese sometimes - it's such an interesting language) - or, light @sses, as they say here. It is usually said to refer to a girl who gets around, but let's "lighten our @sses" and "get around" our friend's forums as much as we can. 4 or 5 forums with concrete connections, each with it's own personality and core members/admins but with solid communication pathways, working toward the same goal, is assuredly a most powerful combination. Far more, IMO, than one giant forum that every troll/skeptic/JREFer in the world wants to wreck.

So welcome, fellow PILOTS for Truth. And Justice. (We're getting there with the truth part... maybe there will be justice in our future? And the prospect of continued happiness?)

Sincerely, I love you all...

-Sanders

Posted by: Zapzarap Oct 21 2006, 03:09 PM

Sanders.

when I visited 'Pilots for Truth' the first time, it was a little sucker that had just been born.
Knowing that many pilots are individualists and strong personalities (others say pig headed) and not easy to convince of something beyond their imagination, it seemed unlikely to me, that the forum would be successful.

I am active in an aviation forum as well, and I had some trouble there with a 911 tread I started.

"To pilot means to GUIDE, the use of the word is not restricted to airplanes. And that's what we are all doing here, anyway, to guide, to pilot, people to the truth about 9/11"

I like this definition, and I will quote it over in my aviation forum when inviting other pilots to this site, if you agree
Cheers
Z.

Posted by: Cary Oct 21 2006, 03:11 PM

Outstanding Sanders. Thanks.

Posted by: Sanders Oct 21 2006, 03:12 PM

QUOTE (Zapzarap @ Oct 21 2006, 07:09 PM)
if you agree
Cheers
Z.

If I agree? I wrote it !

Go for it !

Posted by: johndoeX Oct 21 2006, 03:14 PM

Here here!

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Posted by: Robyn623 Oct 21 2006, 07:53 PM

Incredible post, Sanders. thumbsup.gif

Posted by: Tarya Oct 22 2006, 07:40 AM

QUOTE (Robyn623 @ Oct 22 2006, 02:53 AM)
Incredible post, Sanders.  thumbsup.gif

As always yes1.gif

Posted by: tonicblue Oct 23 2006, 09:58 AM

Reads like it could be a speech at a wedding.
*wipes tear from his eye*
Kudos!

Posted by: Method Oct 23 2006, 10:30 AM

QUOTE (Sanders @ Oct 21 2006, 02:51 PM)
So welcome, fellow PILOTS for Truth. And Justice. (We're getting there with the truth part... maybe there will be justice in our future? And the prospect of continued happiness?)

Sincerely, I love you all...

-Sanders

Great post Sanders. I like the name of the forum because it's unique and I do not think that it should be changed. Love you too man. cheers.gif


Veritas - Truth
Aequitas - Justice

Posted by: Lights Oct 24 2006, 12:43 PM

Great post and great definition sanders. And please keep the name of the forum as it...it's neat and it fits! cheers.gif

Posted by: JointPlays Oct 25 2006, 04:41 PM

QUOTE (Lights @ Oct 24 2006, 04:43 PM)
Great post and great definition sanders. And please keep the name of the forum as it...it's neat and it fits! cheers.gif

I agree.

Great post, great forum, great name. worthy.gif

Posted by: Sarah Connor Oct 26 2006, 10:36 AM

Yeah. Nice Post.

This forum seems to be getting bigger which is a good thing.

I hope you keep the reins tight on the questionable members though in time.

They are already out of control in the latest LC forum (imo).

All The Best. thumbsup.gif

Posted by: Sanders Oct 29 2006, 05:06 PM

QUOTE (Sarah Connor @ Oct 26 2006, 02:36 PM)
I hope you keep the reins tight on the questionable members though in time.

They are already out of control in the latest LC forum (imo).

All The Best. thumbsup.gif

Sarah, I'm so glad you are posting here. Don't worry, the team here at JDX's site is the cream of the crop - we are pros at this IMHO, we are relaxing and enjoying each others company for the moment, but at a moment's notice we will all stand at attention and start PM'ing each other on how to deal with problematic posters (PP's, I like to call them ! biggrin.gif ) and SORT it. ... anyway, no worries - this isn't that kind of forum, nor will it become one.

Speaking out loud and out of turn, we welcome anyone who has just gotten the shock of their lifetime and wants some questions answered - that is what we here call a "skeptic". I, personally, love skeptics. They keep us on our toes, the conversations that result from questions from people that are confused, that can't believe the USG would ... you know... honest questions - are most definitely encouraged here.

ato wa, mukuchi da ne!? (that's Japanese - and I don't need to translate it - we all know what it means)

Posted by: seek_the_truth Nov 26 2006, 07:52 PM

Great post indeed, At first I thought it was for real pilots, who fly planes pilotfly.gif
After that post I see what this is, and its great. Myself, I would have never joined if it wasn't the "pilots" part, as Im a student pilot.

Pilots arnt easy to convince sometimes, everyone is different. But piltos are responsible for discipering information that is given. A skeptic pilot was making fun of me because apparently to him I could never dicipher info correctly to make a good choice in the cockpit because I though 911 was an inside job.

great post though, I see how it was needed.

Posted by: Zapzarap Nov 27 2006, 08:08 AM

QUOTE (seek_the_truth @ Nov 27 2006, 12:52 AM)
A skeptic pilot was making fun of me because apparently to him I could never dicipher info correctly to make a good choice in the cockpit because I though 911 was an inside job.

great post though, I see how it was needed.




HAHAHA!

Tell him, who believes in the official narrative, that 19 Arab Muslims with box-cutters have foxed the most expensive and sophisticated defence system in the World, has never been able to decipher info correctly in his whole carer in the cockpit.



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Posted by: seek_the_truth Nov 27 2006, 09:50 AM

QUOTE (Zapzarap @ Nov 27 2006, 07:08 AM)
QUOTE (seek_the_truth @ Nov 27 2006, 12:52 AM)
A skeptic pilot was making fun of me because apparently to him I could never dicipher info correctly to make a good choice in the cockpit because I though 911 was an inside job.

great post though, I see how it was needed.




HAHAHA!

Tell him, who believes in the official narrative, that 19 Arab Muslims with box-cutters have foxed the most expensive and sophisticated defence system in the World, has never been able to decipher info correctly in his whole carer in the cockpit.



nonono.gif

They wont buy it, they just think that Im scared to admit that there is an outside threat to America and that people hate us. Yes people hate us, but I think it is more scary to allow myself to think that 911 was an inside job, our own government. But 911, come on. Only immediate threat to this nation is the NWO, a police state, and martial law.

Posted by: Miragememories Dec 14 2006, 10:03 AM

Excellent post Sanders!

It's good to finally find the forum that contains (IMHO) the best of the LC Forum's past membership.

With the collapse of LC I feel like someone who went down with a ship and after days struggling aimlessly in the water, I've finally reached dry land.

I do hope LC gets over it's most recent malfunction and revives to become a force to be reckoned with. It's sad to see all the progress that's been lost there, with new members rehashing old issues from scratch which been thoroughly researched and debated in past, alas, lost threads.

Anyway, long live PILOTS FOR TRUTH!

MM

Posted by: Cary Dec 14 2006, 12:02 PM

Welcome to the forum Miragememories.

Posted by: Sanders Dec 14 2006, 01:46 PM

Miragememories, my old friend smile.gif

Glad you found us! And WELCOME !


QUOTE
It's sad to see all the progress that's been lost there, with new members rehashing old issues from scratch which been thoroughly researched and debated in past, alas, lost threads.

Ahhh, but it wasn't lost. It's here. (the knowlege and comradery that is - actually some of the lost threads are here too.)

And without any BS.

Good to see you, hope to read lots of your posts. This place is rocking these days, as I'm sure you've noticed.

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Posted by: jo56 Jan 1 2007, 01:57 PM

Excellent post indeed, Sanders smile.gif

Sorry I found this a bit late. Been busy doing research so haven't had time to thumb through all the threads here. tongue.gif

Thank you, so much for being involved in such a PATRIOTIC project as this forum represents.

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Posted by: biggahthebettah Jan 9 2007, 07:40 PM

Sanders said: "Ironically, the specificiity of the forum name (I'm saying this with all due kudos to the actual pilots here), may work in the the forum's favor."

Absolutely 100% true, at least in MY case. I saw the name of your group and could not resist reading the testimony of people who knew what it was like to pilot commercial airliners (and other planes). If I were the forum's creator, I would not change the name at all! Besides, as far as I know, yours is the only forum regarding 9/11 that is geared toward pilots and their expertise!

Posted by: Sanders Jan 9 2007, 07:43 PM

Welcome to the forum, biggahthebettah ! biggrin.gif

Posted by: colonial Feb 12 2007, 06:08 PM

Guess why Ellen DiGeneris is running for President?


Because, if elected

She will definitely go after bush

If elected, she will change the name of airplane cockpit,
[laugh] to airplane box office

Posted by: johndoeX Feb 22 2007, 02:17 PM

SummerH made a good suggestion to switch this thread from the lobby to the Welcome forum. I agree so here it is...

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Posted by: Lights Sep 14 2007, 09:43 AM

I have been a member of the Pilots For 9/11 Truth for almost a year now, and I want to thank everyone here for a great stay thus far. You guys are doing a great job to bring others a presentation of the truth of that day, and thus you fulfill the name of this site every day.

I just wanted to come here to say "thanks" for a great eleven months and hopefully there will be loads more to come.

Posted by: Oceans Flow Sep 15 2007, 10:57 AM

Hello, Lights. Good to see you. HowDy.gif

Posted by: rob balsamo Sep 16 2007, 07:27 AM

Great to see you Lights.. .wish you would come around more often. Dont be a stranger my friend...

Posted by: Lights Sep 24 2007, 07:52 PM

Gonna sure try to be here more regularly. Should be able to as I work nights now and should have a bit of time to post in the mornings before I hit the sack. Thanks for the kind messages.

Posted by: nitatutt Dec 5 2007, 09:16 PM

QUOTE (Sanders @ Oct 21 2006, 01:51 PM)
JDX started this place (I believe). He is a pilot who was very active on the LC forum, and his intention I am sure was to create a place where actual pilots could come and discuss their take on the whole 9/11 thing. Obviously it was not the only reason d'etre for this place, but every forum has it's own personality due to it's roots, and assuredly those are this place's roots.

Whoops ! The pilots are outnumbered ! This place has been overun with run-of-the-mill truthers !!!
None of which could fly a plane if their life depended on it ! (Well, I think I could fly one at least as well as Hani Hanjour, but...)

Kidding aside, there actually is a point to this post, JDX asked me to write something... which it is my pleasure to do.

Don't be fooled by the name of the forum - we are all pilots for truth. To pilot means to GUIDE, the use of the word is not restricted to airplanes. And that's what we are all doing here, anyway, to guide, to pilot, people to the truth about 9/11 - and you all know that it's not like the JFK assassination, a hobby, trying to decifer what happened some 40 years ago. It is happening NOW. 9/11 was the jump-start of what can only be considered, completion of a plan to enslave the human race, the enslavement of the planet's population's minds and souls and bodies and the fruits of their labor. War and killing is in the cards. That's why 9/11 was necessary - to forment enough hate in America to allow what is happening now, and what will soon happen (tomorrow, I hear), to take place.

There will be millions killed before this is all over. (Probably half a million dead as I write this already.)

This is a serious post, and I am a serious person ... but I'm old enough to know that what's the use in losing one's sense of humor and LIFE FORCE obsessing about this stuff. Because what one is in danger of losing is what one is trying to save in the first place - happiness. The framers were righteous dudes - they put that in the Declaration of Independence - the Pursuit of HAPPINESS. That is why we are here, that is why we "Rage Against the Dying of the Light". To rage against a looming threat to our Happiness.

Some posts were made about a possible forum name change here, but I'm pretty cool with it as it is... TRUST me, we/JDX won't need a PR campaign to bring people in here - they are already coming. Ironically, the specificiity of the forum name (I'm saying this with all due kudos to the actual pilots here worthy.gif ) , may work in the the forum's favor. I had a little discussion about this on Cary's forum I think, there are 3 or 4 forums that are "blossoming" at the moment - we should promote good communication between them all, let's all have "Oshiri ga karui" (sorry, I can't help but steal from Japanese sometimes - it's such an interesting language) - or, light @sses, as they say here. It is usually said to refer to a girl who gets around, but let's "lighten our @sses" and "get around" our friend's forums as much as we can. 4 or 5 forums with concrete connections, each with it's own personality and core members/admins but with solid communication pathways, working toward the same goal, is assuredly a most powerful combination. Far more, IMO, than one giant forum that every troll/skeptic/JREFer in the world wants to wreck.

So welcome, fellow PILOTS for Truth. And Justice. (We're getting there with the truth part... maybe there will be justice in our future? And the prospect of continued happiness?)

Sincerely, I love you all...

-Sanders

Sanders:
Don't be fooled by the name of the forum - we are all pilots for truth.

I worked for USAF FP (life support tech).... on 911 I waited, and waited, for
our defense...
When they hit the pentagon my stomach churned, I was waiting or a defensive response after the world trade center imploded... waited...
I can only surmise that September 11, 2001 involved mass hypnosis, the technology has been available for decades.
Reasonable, rational American Citizens - millions - were in a catatonic shock.
Conclusion:
LIARS - perhaps the rumors about stealth nazis are true, truth is often stranger than fiction; (I heard that rumor 30 years ago) the new, modern FINAL SOLOUTION may be near
I waited for Pilots (military/commercial/ et al) to speak up, for personal confirmation - a f r a i d - to speak my convictions...I'm just a lower middle class working puke housewife who used to work for fighter pilots
But I'm no idiot
"They" can count on that truth

Posted by: rob balsamo Dec 5 2007, 10:56 PM

Welcome nitatutt. Thanks for speaking out. smile.gif

Posted by: omahkohkiaayo Mar 3 2008, 01:28 AM

QUOTE (Sanders @ Oct 21 2006, 02:51 PM) *
JDX started this place (I believe). He is a pilot who was very active on the LC forum, and his intention I am sure was to create a place where actual pilots could come and discuss their take on the whole 9/11 thing. Obviously it was not the only reason d'etre for this place, but every forum has it's own personality due to it's roots, and assuredly those are this place's roots.

Whoops ! The pilots are outnumbered ! This place has been overun with run-of-the-mill truthers !!!
None of which could fly a plane if their life depended on it ! (Well, I think I could fly one at least as well as Hani Hanjour, but...)

Kidding aside, there actually is a point to this post, JDX asked me to write something... which it is my pleasure to do.

Don't be fooled by the name of the forum - we are all pilots for truth. To pilot means to GUIDE, the use of the word is not restricted to airplanes. And that's what we are all doing here, anyway, to guide, to pilot, people to the truth about 9/11 - and you all know that it's not like the JFK assassination, a hobby, trying to decifer what happened some 40 years ago. It is happening NOW. 9/11 was the jump-start of what can only be considered, completion of a plan to enslave the human race, the enslavement of the planet's population's minds and souls and bodies and the fruits of their labor. War and killing is in the cards. That's why 9/11 was necessary - to forment enough hate in America to allow what is happening now, and what will soon happen (tomorrow, I hear), to take place.

There will be millions killed before this is all over. (Probably half a million dead as I write this already.)

This is a serious post, and I am a serious person ... but I'm old enough to know that what's the use in losing one's sense of humor and LIFE FORCE obsessing about this stuff. Because what one is in danger of losing is what one is trying to save in the first place - happiness. The framers were righteous dudes - they put that in the Declaration of Independence - the Pursuit of HAPPINESS. That is why we are here, that is why we "Rage Against the Dying of the Light". To rage against a looming threat to our Happiness.

Some posts were made about a possible forum name change here, but I'm pretty cool with it as it is... TRUST me, we/JDX won't need a PR campaign to bring people in here - they are already coming. Ironically, the specificiity of the forum name (I'm saying this with all due kudos to the actual pilots here worthy.gif ) , may work in the the forum's favor. I had a little discussion about this on Cary's forum I think, there are 3 or 4 forums that are "blossoming" at the moment - we should promote good communication between them all, let's all have "Oshiri ga karui" (sorry, I can't help but steal from Japanese sometimes - it's such an interesting language) - or, light @sses, as they say here. It is usually said to refer to a girl who gets around, but let's "lighten our @sses" and "get around" our friend's forums as much as we can. 4 or 5 forums with concrete connections, each with it's own personality and core members/admins but with solid communication pathways, working toward the same goal, is assuredly a most powerful combination. Far more, IMO, than one giant forum that every troll/skeptic/JREFer in the world wants to wreck.

So welcome, fellow PILOTS for Truth. And Justice. (We're getting there with the truth part... maybe there will be justice in our future? And the prospect of continued happiness?)

Sincerely, I love you all...

-Sanders



Hello I came here as I did think it was a place for pilots who know, from experience, what it takes to try to fly the specific aircraft and alleged flight profiles of the 9-11 aircraft by experienced pilots let alone amateurs. In my own case, as a pilot over 40 years, with Commercial, Instrument and Ground Instructor Advanced Instrument licenses, who has done extensive instructing on simulators and has tried to recreate some of the specifics of the alleged flight profiles, I am not buying any of the alleged flight/attack profiles by alleged relative amateurs--with special reference to the attack against the Pentagon.

I must say that all of this needs to be handled with serious sober evidence, experience, methods and sources as whack-job speculations and amateurs pontificating and idly speculating on say flight profiles, capabilities and specific procedures relative to 9-11 only aid in the cover-ups if they are idle and unfounded speculation without basis in training and experience. One can be a "pilot" or "guide" on the ground, but it is not like having your own life and that of others on the line in deadly weather or with a failing aircraft with no margin for error. That experience is what gives some credibility to those "opinions" as to what capabilities, procedures, flight and attack profiles and specific aircraft/pilot capabilities were likely or problematic on 9-11 as these are still "opinions" (no one was in those aircraft on this blog) and speculation from known facts with the caveat that many unknown facts remain to be discovered and considered.

Omahkohkiaayo

Posted by: georgie101 Mar 4 2008, 06:37 AM

welcome.gif Welcome omahkohkiaayo, thankyou for joining.

Posted by: JCraven Oct 3 2011, 06:30 PM

I am not new to the list but am new to posting. I hold Commercial and Instrument and Ground Instructor Advanced and Instrument ratings and soloed March 31, 1962 from Boeing Field in Seattle in a Mooney Mark 20a. One reason I joined the list is as a pilot for many years, I know that even when a small Cessna 172 goes down, a full and often costly NTSB investigation is launched simply because lessons learned today can well mean less deaths tomorrow (whether in war, aviation, medicine or wherever). And yet, with the single largest loss of life on American soil since the Civil War, with a multiple and highly coordinated attack on 4 aircraft and turning them into missles, with multiple failures on the ground and in air defense, the Bush Administration attempts over one year to block any investigations even like the pathetic fraud they wound up putting together called the 9-11 Commission.

Bottom line? No need to cover-up what is clean, only what is dirty. No need to cherry-pick and phony up intel or to cynically use and manipulate the tragedy of a terrorist act to justify a just and defensive war, only an aggressive, preemptive, unilateral and illegal war--the kind Nazis were hanged at Nuremberg for starting and waging. Conspiracy theory? Well if there are no conspiracies, then why do we have laws against them and people locked up for violating those laws?

Thanks for your service.

Jim Craven/Omahkohkiaaiipooyii
also Veterans for 9-11 Truth and Scholars for 9-11 Truth

Posted by: amazed! Oct 4 2011, 08:48 AM

Welcome to the forum JCraven--you are exactly right sir!

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