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Delta 1989 First Officer Report From Sept 11

rob balsamo
post Feb 22 2008, 12:39 AM
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A friend sent me this as we're doing some work together on some research, thought it might interest you. Good read...


David Dunlap - Delta 767 Pilot: 9/11 Story
http://www.3dlanguage.net/9-11_story.html

Edit: above link no longer works. Try this.
http://256.com/gray/thoughts/2001/20010912...11/travel.shtml

Click here for more links...
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10804587




The parts that stick out to me are....

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When you go through pilot training you spend the whole time trying to imagine yourself in awful situations and figure out how you would save the day. Pilots always put on the old "aw shucks, it's easy" routine, but the fact of the matter is we take the safety of the people in the back very, very seriously. Your worst fear as a pilot is that you will make a mistake and hurt people, or have a solution to a crisis and overlook it.


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[if] someone tried to come through the door...... I was damned if I wasn't going to save the day ...or at least try hard enough so that they spoke well of us at recurrent training.


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If you're going to kill me and every one else on the plane anyway, we're going in the Hudson River, you dirty son of a bitch. No, those guys were dead or incapacitated.


However, Barbara Olsen, wife of Ted Olsen, US Solicitor General, reportedly told Ted on a supposed phone call from American 77, that all passengers were herded to the back of the plane, including the pilots, the only weapons she mentioned were knives and cardboard cutters.

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/pentagon.html

She asked Ted over the phone, "What should i tell the pilots to do?"

First Officer David Dunlap expresses what is in the heart of almost every professional pilot and what most were thinking that day and the following days. "Those pilots had to be dead or incapacitated to give up their ship" was the buzz in crew rooms across the country. Although the mainstream media portrays the old "Common Strategy" prior to 9/11 was to fully cooperate, it wasnt to give up your ship to stranger with a boxcutter and be "hearded to the back of the plane with the passengers". See Pandora's Black Box - Chapter Two - Flight Of American 77 for more information.

Someone is lying regarding AA77. Either the phone call never took place (as the FBI describes "Zero seconds connection"), Ted is embelishing his conversation with Barbara, or perhaps the pilots decided to give up their ship to strangers with boxcutters and sit in the back with the passengers. I find it hard to believe Chic Burlingame would have given up his ship in such a manner. It appears the First Officer of Delta 1989 agrees (as does pretty much every professional pilot i have spoken with....except those who make excuses for the govt story..).

4 airplanes. The govt would have you believe all were hijacked successfully by men with boxcutters, and not one pilot out of eight got off a hijack warning. I dont buy it. Something else was going on that day, something different than what the govt has told us... and we're going to find out.

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post Feb 22 2008, 11:31 PM
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One helluva story by David Dunlap!

Man you could see the training exercise coming through everything. Delta Trip 1989.
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post Feb 23 2008, 01:49 PM
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I rarely speculate as most already know.. however.. reading through that report gave me chills up and down my spine knowing what i know now... and know through experience...

Lets just say thank god the pilots of Delta 1989 recalled what "Trip" meant. Most pilots will never use "Trip" through their whole careers so they do forget the terminology. If anyone were to ask a pilot about hijack protocol pre-9/11 or now... many would not recall "Trip", but would speak of transponder codes and taxi configuration.

Reading through FO Dunlaps' report, it almost seems like whoever was "interrogating" them, almost wanted them to screw up with "phraseology". I was a bit taken back when i saw that sentence in Davids' report of the ACARS message. "Use proper phraseology "....??? WTF does that mean i said to myself? When i read the next sentence, it appears David was just as shocked and had the same reaction.

Now to my "speculation"... it appears someone wanted them to screw up the phraseology so there would have been an excuse to blow that sucker out of the air, thereby showing that the US Govt was prepared to shoot down aircraft and were able to "intercept" their last target, DL1989. I feel Paul and David saved everyone on board their aircraft that day by repeating ad nauseum that their aircraft was not "Trip". So David, if you are reading this, you and your CA did save the day for your pax imo.
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post Feb 23 2008, 01:57 PM
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QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Feb 20 2008, 09:49 AM) *
So David, if you are reading this, you and your CA did save the day for your pax imo.


Interesting speculation, Rob. I agree there is something suspicious about that whole exchange. According to the official story, transponders were turned off and there was no radio contact with all the allegedly "hijacked" flights. Obviously this was not the case with Delta 1989. So, this begs the question, why the prompting for "proper phraseology"?
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post Feb 23 2008, 02:29 PM
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QUOTE (painter @ Feb 23 2008, 12:57 PM) *
Interesting speculation, Rob. I agree there is something suspicious about that whole exchange. According to the official story, transponders were turned off and there was no radio contact with all the allegedly "hijacked" flights. Obviously this was not the case with Delta 1989. So, this begs the question, why the prompting for "proper phraseology"?



Actually.. it more like... Why the prying and interrogating for proper phraseology when the crew made it clear the flight was not "Trip". Further, the ACARS message asking for proper phraseology is a complete WTF!?!?! As David himself describes.

ACARS is basically an email in the sky and completely informal (most of the time written in "shorthand-aviation-speak", but definitely not mandated). However, im sure those hardcore neo-con pilots out there (as rare as they are) will be able to give you some sort of an excuse for the ACARS message. I'm actually interested in how they will spin the remainder of the in depth "interrogation". Then again, those who claim to have aviation experience and make excuses for this govt, refuse to register to this forum due to the fact we "ban those who disagree with us", according to them. But we all know its because they can not conversate in a civil manner. Its no surprise they refuse to put their name, face and professional reputation on their claims, they are constantly wrong. But still, im interested in how they will spin the above. Should be a good laugh. Of course its certain none of them will put their name on their claims, being such a small group one can count on one hand. Kinda sad really...

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post Feb 23 2008, 07:02 PM
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Rob - Some years ago the Cleveland landing was rigorously debated on many forums and reported on many sites. www.abodia.com/911/link/19.htm gives access to some of the articles that appeared.

I also have this saved - www.rense.co./general68/says.htm

As per every single aspect of 911 - you lift up a rock and there is much more to confuse underneath it.

I have become so cynical since 911, spent so many hundreds of hours since 912 trying to understand it all, read so many theories. Something just seems to tell me this article may need to be considered with care.
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typo - should read www.rense.com/general68/says.htm

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Rob

Yes the ACARS thing was most interesting. I wonder if somehow the bad guys spoofed/took control of the Delta ACARS and injected training terminology? It must be possible. If the system wasn't spoofed, then that would have to mean, it seems to me, that the Delta guy on the other end of the ACARS was somehow in on the exercise. Either him or his terminal.

The events at Cleveland carry much significance, but like a puzzle, it's difficult to figure exactly.

More and more it seems like almost the entire federal government was doing some training exercise that day.

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Rob - It's been quite a while since I read the stuff below, but I remember thinking how important it could become. I cannot, as yet, find anything that disproves the articles contents, but doubtless there may be somebody on forum with a better memory than mine. However, it's a good insight into a possible 'sleight of hand' and explains my concern at the Delta article. I have not checked the links in the article to see if they still work. I guess the best place for sorting out the 'passengers' was at the gate.

http://911wideopen.com/mirror/twin11-1/twin-11-mod.htm
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post Feb 24 2008, 07:10 AM
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Sorry Guys - meant to include this link with my previous posting


http://911search.bravehost.com/ClevelandAirportMystery.html



Westgate, feel free to use the 'Edit' button below yr. post - select 'Full Edit' or 'Quick Edit'
ev. indicate reason: *edit* added link


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This is the article which contains the link to Rob's Delta article, just scroll down to find it.


http://256.com/gray/thoughts/2001/20010912...1/details.shtml

I remember now, asking a friend across the pond, what is a tin foil hat wearer and what has that got to do with my feelings about the official story of 911?

So he told me, and I added that to all the other names I have frequently been called for daring to questions things since 912.

So it's goodbye from this tin foil hat wearing, stupid old git, conspiracy whacko etc etc........................ Hey my friend in the USA gave me an acronym 'WGAS' - who gives a s**t - yep, that's me!
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I'm a little intrigued and disturbed by at least two items in the article. The first is that yet again we have a jet being asked to look for one of the highjacked jets; the first jet wound up being a highjack itself within minutes of their confirmation of sight, and this one looks to me like it was SUPPOSED to be a highjack. Is that a normal thing to do, to radio a pilot and ask him to look for another jet? It just strikes me as odd here.

the second thing that struck me as odd was this pilot said he had two F-16s escorting him. If that's true, why the HELL were they escorting a jet that had not signalled distress; flight 93 passed by Delta1989 on their left, and they were close enough to spot one of the other highjacked flights....certainly those jets would have been able to intercept at least one of the other jets.

And why on earth were passengers of a NON-HIGHJACKED flight interrogated for hours? Who the hell interrogates people in the ABSENCE of a crime or incident??? and why??

I truly think this flight was meant to be "highjacked" but something went wrong.
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QUOTE (biggahthebettah @ Feb 26 2008, 07:17 AM) *
I truly think this flight was meant to be "highjacked" but something went wrong.


Maybe, or maybe this story was meant to 'fit in' with the official account but, itself, has a lot of disinformation within it.

Was his flight full? The other "hijacked" flights certainly were not.
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Vigilant Guardian had as the scenario civilian airliners being hijacked and flown into highrise buildings.

Delta 1989 was part of the training exercise, and at least from the flight crew's statements, unknowingly.
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QUOTE (amazed! @ Feb 22 2008, 10:31 PM) *
One helluva story by David Dunlap!

Man you could see the training exercise coming through everything. Delta Trip 1989.



I have a couple of questions and some conjecture.

Here is a link to the rare interview with Pilot Dave Dunlap http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=1999443n

There was little mention from the pilots of flight 93 which they were allegedly tailing by 30 miles, why?

Flight 1989 also had reports of middle eastern men fumbling with a phone that shared the same name?!
http://256.com/gray/thoughts/2001/20010912...11/travel.shtml
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The pilot had radioed that there was suspicious activity in the cabin since one of the passengers was speaking urgently on his cellphone and ignored repeated flight attendant requests to stop using his cell phone while in flight. Also, there was an irregularity in the passenger manifest because there were two people [with the same middle eastern name] who were listed but only one aboard.



This part is quite alarming and gives many clues away......
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After our emergency landing, our plane was directed to go to an isolated area of the airport, and we waited for over two hours in quarantine before FBI agents and bomb sniffing dogs came out to the plane. Just after we landed, the pilot gave us permission to make one very brief telephone call before we were banned from any further telephone use. The sixty or so passengers were thus able to gather some alarming details of the unbelievable fates of the other two LA-bound planes and the collapse of the World Trade Center towers, the suicide bombing of the Pentagon as well as reports of other plane crashes in PA and LA (LA proved unfounded) before we were cut off from any further communication.


So we got middle eastern men fumbling with a cell phone with name discrepancies, Flight 1989 tailing flight 93 (alleged hijacked airliner) by 30 miles, they land, quarantined, bomb sniffing dogs and the pilot "gave them permission to make one very brief telephone call before we were banned from any further telephone use.".....

First problem with this is that if they were thinking that there might be a phone activated bomb onboard why would they allow passengers to use their phones?

What happen to the middle eastern men?

What did the phone calls from the phone sound like to the people they were calling? " Mom is Mr Bob Smith, i think we are being hijacked, we are all at the back of the plane, I got to go" Eerily enough this would sound exactly like the calls we were told came from the other doomed flights of 911.

Was this part of the exercise?

Was todd beamer onboard Flight 1989?

Please read more here. Figure it out! http://256.com/gray/thoughts/2001/20010912...11/travel.shtml
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QUOTE (amazed! @ Feb 22 2008, 10:31 PM) *
One helluva story by David Dunlap!

Man you could see the training exercise coming through everything. Delta Trip 1989.



I have a couple of questions and some conjecture.

Here is a link to the rare interview with Pilot Dave Dunlap http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=1999443n

There was little mention from the pilots of flight 93 which they were allegedly tailing by 30 miles, why?

Flight 1989 also had reports of middle eastern men fumbling with a phone that shared the same name?!
http://256.com/gray/thoughts/2001/20010912...11/travel.shtml
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The pilot had radioed that there was suspicious activity in the cabin since one of the passengers was speaking urgently on his cellphone and ignored repeated flight attendant requests to stop using his cell phone while in flight. Also, there was an irregularity in the passenger manifest because there were two people [with the same middle eastern name] who were listed but only one aboard.



This part is quite alarming and gives many clues away......
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After our emergency landing, our plane was directed to go to an isolated area of the airport, and we waited for over two hours in quarantine before FBI agents and bomb sniffing dogs came out to the plane. Just after we landed, the pilot gave us permission to make one very brief telephone call before we were banned from any further telephone use. The sixty or so passengers were thus able to gather some alarming details of the unbelievable fates of the other two LA-bound planes and the collapse of the World Trade Center towers, the suicide bombing of the Pentagon as well as reports of other plane crashes in PA and LA (LA proved unfounded) before we were cut off from any further communication.


So we got middle eastern men fumbling with a cell phone with name discrepancies, Flight 1989 tailing flight 93 (alleged hijacked airliner) by 30 miles, they land, quarantined, bomb sniffing dogs and the pilot "gave them permission to make one very brief telephone call before we were banned from any further telephone use.".....

First problem with this is that if they were thinking that there might be a phone activated bomb onboard why would they allow passengers to use their phones?

What happen to the middle eastern men?

What did the phone calls from the phone sound like to the people they were calling? " Mom is Mr Bob Smith, i think we are being hijacked, we are all at the back of the plane, I got to go" Eerily enough this would sound exactly like the calls we were told came from the other doomed flights of 911.

Was this part of the exercise?

Was todd beamer onboard Flight 1989?

Please read more here. Figure it out! http://256.com/gray/thoughts/2001/20010912...11/travel.shtml
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Wanted to add this additional comments from one of the passengers of glith 1989

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S/he confirmed that the pilot gave them permission to make one call while they were on the plane. S/he remembers it as being while they were still in the air while her initial letter says that it was after they landed. Either there were 2 calls allowed, their memory (5 years later) differs from what happened, or s/he was incorrect in the initial letter. Remember that s/he wasn't, at the time, writing for posterity but to reassure family and friends. S/he doesn't remember what time s/he was able to make a call(s) that was but for reason thinks it was closer to 1000. It was around the time the first tower collapsed. That was one piece of the information they got while still in the air. They were later able to make more calls after they had landed in Cleveland.
They were told to make one call but people might have snuck more. S/he remembers thinking that it was a very inappropriate joke when someone mentioned one of the WTC towers collapsing.
Although they shared what information they had with other passengers, at the time they did not realize that the flights that hit the WTC towers originated in Boston so didn't realize until later that it could have been them.
In questioning them in 2006, s/he recalls that there was an interminable wait on the plane until agents could come to the plane to take their luggage and them off onto the tarmac. Once they were inside a building they were individually interrogated s/he remembers specifically asking an FBI guy if they could call their [family] and he said okay. They put the agent on the phone to say hi to [them].
I asked them where they were when they we rerouted to Cleveland. S/he is not sure but think that 1989 was Southeast of Cleveland at the time. It was "a good 45 minutes at least" after we were told we would have to make an emergency landing in Cleveland that they finally did. It is unsure whether this was in response to the FAA halting all flights at 0949 or due to their being confused with Flight 93 which was happening closer to 0930 - 0935. The 9/11 Commission Report states that 1989 was closer to Toledo which would have been West. S/he is most likely mistaken since the FAA would have the data given that flight 1989 never turned off their transponder.
S/he said that they did not see any fighters escorting them to Cleveland and in talking to the pilot afterwards in the FBI interrogation line, he was "pleasant and forthcoming" and did not mention any escort -- which, of course, doesn't mean that there wasn't any.
I've asked them for some pictures of the day.
http://256.com/gray/thoughts/2001/20010912...1/details.shtml

You guys are smart enough to figure this one out.... i dont need to point it out
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Here is some stuff for people who are interested in Delta 1989:

http://911woodybox.blogspot.com/2007/02/cl...rt-mystery.html

A revised version of the original Cleveland Airport Mystery article from 2004. It looks like this is an opportunity to introduce it to people who don't know it and provide a short update for the others.

A short summary: Delta 1989 landed at Cleveland between 10 am and 11 am. There are, however, many conflicting data which suggest that there was another airliner landing at Cleveland, and Delta 1989 was used to "cover up" the existence of this other plane. Here's the earliest report from the airport, an extra-edition of the Akron Beacon Journal from 9/11:

The mind-numbing chaos that descended with the terrorist attacks on the Northeast United States spread this morning to Northeast Ohio.

Cleveland Mayor Michael White said at a news conference this morning that a Boeing 767 out of Boston made an emergency landing at Cleveland Hopkins International Airport because of fears a bomb was aboard.

He reported that air traffic controllers could hear screaming aboard the plane.

The 200 passengers were reportedly released from the plane at 11:15 a.m., though White said the pilot was still concerned that a bomb remained.


Here's Associated Press from 9/11:

A Boeing 767 out of Boston made an emergency landing Tuesday at Cleveland Hopkins International Airport because of concerns that it may have a bomb aboard, said Mayor Michael R. White.

The plane was sitting on a runway at the airport's west end with approximately 200 passengers on board. The mayor had said earlier that the plane was being evacuated, but an airport spokeswoman said the passengers remained inside. It was unclear whether any passengers had been taken off the plane.

A SWAT team and bomb unit were at the scene. However, White said, "As of this moment we do not know that this plane is in stress or duress."

The airplane landed at about 10:45 a.m., but the airport released no information about the plane's intended destination. Normally, planes of this size do not land at Hopkins.

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White said air traffic controllers said they could hear screaming within the Boeing 767. Additional details were not available.



Apart from "a 767 from Boston" nothing in this article fits Delta 1989 - not the landing time, neither the evacuation time, neither the number of passengers, neither the "screams", and there are even more discrepancies. Enough to postulate the existence of this mysterious airliner, but the identity is unclear. Dylan Avery coupled my findings with a cryptic message that United 93 landed at Cleveland, but I don't think it was United 93. I think it was a 767 from Boston as reported, like Delta 1989.

The "Cleveland Free Times" once tried to debunk the existence of the mystery plane by citing a NASA official. This man claimed there was a KC-135 landing at Cleveland, an experimental plane with scientists onboard. But the KC-135 landed at 10:08 (not at 10:45 as the mystery plane), and the scientists were not taken to the NASA (as the passengers of the mystery plane). I refer to the link above.

Recently released FAA documents show up a "United 1898" as a good candidate for the Cleveland plane

http://911woodybox.blogspot.com/2009/03/un...rt-mystery.html

That's the status quo so far.
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Very interesting Woody.
Thanks for the update!
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Very interesting Woody.
Thanks for the update!


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