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Asking For Some Clarification..., What is and is not likely...

beatles64
post Jan 29 2008, 04:37 PM
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I am posting this in hope that other users can help me put the multiple theories surronding the airplanes into a more clear perspective. I guess the best way for me to do this is to first admit that I dont know too much about what would or would not have been possible with the aircrafts (i.e. could they have been remotely flown, could they be different aircrafts, missle at the pentagon, etc...)

I am doing this at the risk of being labeled a nut, but I am hoping someone can help clear this up with some detail, since there are so many competing theories that seem to have supportive evidence.

I guess to start I would like to ask if anyone can clarify some of the info found on youtube suggesting that there were descrepencies in the airplane speeds, sizes, and approaches as they hit the South Tower...can anyone provide more supportive evidence that these were not the planes stated? Or is it just a matter of perspective, quality, etc...

Again most of this is outside of my knowledge, and any help is greatly appreciated.
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post Jan 30 2008, 04:42 PM
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QUOTE (beatles64 @ Jan 29 2008, 04:31 PM)
Has the possibility of remote controlled airplanes been completely ruled out or verified (by this I mean do the professionals here KNOW through their research they were remote, or is still 'highly suspect' at this point?)

Hi Beatles,

I did some research on the remote aircraft question and put together the following resources.

The technology to control aircraft remotely is VERY real, and has been used in rudimentary or not-so-rudimentary forms since August 1944. This could be considered a "history of the UAV" if you will. I saw an Associated Press article a while back about over 500,000 UAV flight hours during 2007, and I don't remember hearing of many accidents or shootdowns.

Remote B-720 "controlled crash" at Edwards AFB on 1 Dec 1984
Controlled Impact Demonstration
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_Impact_Demonstration

http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/Gallery/Photo/CID/index.html

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntr..._1988000639.pdf

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntr..._1989006539.pdf

See any of the following US military designations: MQ, RQ, Q, BQ, MB, Drone, Remotely Piloted Vehicle (RPV), UAV, UCAV

Here are some related patents (all after 9/11/2001, but Research and Development is not an overnight thing)
http://www.pat2pdf.org/

US Patents
6995688
6845302
7193520
20030052798
7142971

Boeing BQ-7 Aphrodite- approved 26 Jun 1944, first flown on 4 Aug 1944, a "radio controlled assault drone... to be flown from Great Britain against very hardened and/or heavily defended German targets...."
http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/app1/bq-7.html
http://home.att.net/~jbaugher2/b17_14.html
[now what famous Manhattan and Pentagon air "crashes" does this remind you of- Operation Northwoods was actually a little behind the times, I'd say...]

unmanned Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress
http://www.uswarplanes.net/b17.html
QB-17L, QB-17N, MB-17G
http://aeroweb.brooklyn.cuny.edu/specs/boeing/qb-17n.htm

MB-17G (only one exists #44-83624, I believe)
http://www.amcmuseum.org/Collections/Aircr...ingFortress.htm
http://www.coastcomp.com/av/pres/presbrcp.htm

QB-17G, Q-7 drone- first made in May 1946
http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/app1/q-7.html
http://home.att.net/~jbaugher2/b17_24.html

Boeing QB-17G- 15 May 1953
http://www.chinalakealumni.org/1953.htm

QB-47 Stratojet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-47_Stratojet#QB-47
MB-47B, QB-47
http://www.aerofiles.com/_boe.html

DASH- unmanned QH-50A helicopter flight on 12 Aug 1960
http://www.gyrodynehelicopters.com/dash_history.htm

QH-50A
http://www.gyrodynehelicopters.com/qh-50a_models1.htm

QH-50C
http://www.gyrodynehelicopters.com/qh-50c1.htm

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national...fc8ba45&k=33368

http://www.defensetech.org/archives/001308.html

http://www.defensetech.org/archives/001094.html

Boeing UCAV- 27 Sep 2000
http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2000/n...ase_000927n.htm

http://www.darpa.mil/j-ucas/X-45/timeline.htm

RAFT
http://www.ntsb.gov/events/symp_rec/procee...hors/levine.pdf

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2006/...r-hijacked.html

http://www.designation-systems.net/usmilav/jetds/an-d.html

http://aeroweb.brooklyn.cuny.edu/locator/t...f/1924-/b/q.htm

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article...ible/article.do

http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/analysis/control.html

http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/analysis/homerun.html

http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/systems/uav.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unmanned_aerial_vehicle

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/sys.../an-tsq-198.htm

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- beatles64   Asking For Some Clarification...   Jan 29 2008, 04:37 PM
- - amazed!   Almost don't know where to begin, Beatles. Ev...   Jan 29 2008, 06:39 PM
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