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Wtc7 Demolition, Putting the pieces together

onesliceshort
post Nov 29 2012, 08:22 PM
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QUOTE (elreb @ Nov 30 2012, 12:05 AM) *
I think that we have a substantial amount of data to start breaking things down and put a package together.

Functionally, NIST has provided a lot of useful information, yet were directed to provide inaccessible - reach less - unapproachable – unachievable conclusions.

The “you run with us or you run into us” attitude is a giveaway to self-serving interests!

The simple fact that only the WTC was harmed is a clue. What are the odds?

OSS or Kawika could start a new thread that is focused on the bottom line.

I say that because they both are sharp cookies.

KP50 will stand guard to prevent trolls or related pests.

It is my personal belief that “7WTC” will break the camel’s back.

No theory…no hypo this…no bull…just data…

Conclusions that agree with experience.


I'm all for it.

Have a look at this theory first.

http://the911forum.freeforums.org/the-ammo...-t87.html#p1140

Substitute ammonium perchlorate mentioned in the link with a sulfur based exotic chemical and it makes sense.

Easily "planted" without the need for the government loyalist "hundreds of operatives carting 100s of tons of explosives for months"

Residue that can be bullshitted away to being sourced by "building contents". If found.

No "loud bangs".

Can be blamed on fire. And be accepted by the deluded and lazy majority.

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Ammonium perchlorate powder, probably containing manganese dioxide and other additives (e.g. nano-Al powder, HTPB, HMX, etc.), was mixed with binding agents (polysulfide and/or cement) and one or more of the five spray-on fire resistive (thermal insulation) materials used at the WTC. These materials are identified in NIST NCSTAR 1-6A as: (1) Blaze-shield Type D, (2) Blaze-shield Type DC/F, (3) Blaze-shield Type II, (4) Monokote MK-5, and (5) Vermiculite aggregate plaster.

In order to determine where and when these materials were applied to structural steel surfaces in the WTC complex we need to consider the history of “passive fire protection” practices employed by the New York Port Authority during and after the construction of the towers (and WTC 7), starting in 1970 and ending in 2001.

On April 13, 1970, New York City issued a ban on the use of all sprayed on thermal insulations containing asbestos, the notorious fibrous silicate mineral that was a major component of Blaze-shield Type D. The use of asbestos-containing insulation was discontinued at this time at the 38th floor of WTC 1. In February 1975, a fire occurred in WTC 1 that affected floors 9 to 19 and led to a review of the adequacy of the existing thermal insulation in the entire WTC. The need to upgrade the passive fire protection in the Twin Towers was finally addressed in 1995 when, after yet another study, it was decided to apply a 1½ inch thickness of an asbestos-free spray-on mineral fiber fire protection material to selected steel surfaces. Thus, between 1995 and 2001, thermal protection was upgraded specifically on 18 floors in WTC 1, including floors 92 to 100 and 102; and on 13 floors in WTC 2 including floors 77, 78, 88, 89, 92 and 97. (See NIST NCSTAR 1-6A page xxxvii).

How much thermal protection was used? A reasonable estimate would be a thickness of 2 cm over an effective area of 2500 m2 or 50 m3 per floor. If we assume the material had a density of 400 kg/m3 there would have been 20 tonnes of thermal protection per floor.

It should be noted that the specific selection of areas for insulation upgrading would have made on the basis of the need to apply fire protection material to areas that were known to be vulnerable to fire damage because of poor coverage of the original coating. However, in an "AP-conspiracy" theory, the sprayed-on fire protector was, in fact, an AP-based fire accelerant or pyrotechnic agent. Given the fact that upgrading of the passive fire protection of WTC 1 & 2 was an on-going project throughout the late 1990s, a deadly pyrotechnic coating could have been applied almost anywhere and at any time during this period. Building 7 could also have been "pre-conditioned" with accelerant coatings during the OEM diesel generator upgrades of 1999.

If we assume that the normal cement-based fire-resistant material was actually “spiked” with 25 wt.% of an AP-based pyrotechnic mixture, up to 5 tonnes of ammonium perchlorate could have been sprayed onto a designated floor. Furthermore, once applied to a particular floor, the coating would have remained undisturbed, unnoticed, and with no loss of potency, until it was triggered by the events of September 11th 2001.


It's a "theory" but there's evidence to support the basics of it. And it ticks the right boxes IMO.

Re: the "OEM diesel generator upgrades of 1999", wouldn't the fireproofing need to be upgraded too?

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- onesliceshort   Wtc7 Demolition   Nov 29 2012, 08:22 PM
- - elreb   I am talking to Kawika as we speak. He has new da...   Nov 29 2012, 08:38 PM
|- - onesliceshort   QUOTE (elreb @ Nov 30 2012, 01:38 AM) I a...   Nov 29 2012, 10:12 PM
- - elreb   We can borrow from our other threads and put this ...   Nov 29 2012, 11:36 PM
- - onesliceshort   My 2cents on how part of the demolition was carrie...   Nov 30 2012, 11:58 AM
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- - Ricochet   If WTC 7 fell straight down how could it damage th...   Dec 25 2012, 08:15 AM
|- - elreb   QUOTE (Ricochet @ Dec 25 2012, 02:15 AM) ...   Dec 25 2012, 12:09 PM
|- - kawika   QUOTE (elreb @ Dec 23 2012, 02:09 PM) Fit...   Dec 25 2012, 05:32 PM
- - SanderO   What does "fell straight down" mean? An...   Dec 25 2012, 10:15 AM
- - elreb   Kawika is one of the best examples of a “Team play...   Dec 25 2012, 05:47 PM
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- - elreb   “What little damage that the Verizon building rece...   Dec 26 2012, 07:11 PM
- - elreb   First picture shows sulfur activity on the towers....   Dec 27 2012, 07:10 PM
|- - kawika   QUOTE (elreb @ Dec 25 2012, 09:10 PM) Fir...   Dec 28 2012, 04:21 PM
- - elreb   It would seem that columns and beams did not need ...   Dec 28 2012, 04:17 PM
- - elreb   RE: Wtc7 Demolition   Dec 28 2012, 06:07 PM
- - onesliceshort   QUOTE Given the fact that upgrading of the passive...   Dec 28 2012, 09:09 PM
|- - elreb   QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Dec 28 2012, 03:09...   Dec 28 2012, 10:01 PM
|- - kawika   QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Dec 26 2012, 11:09...   Dec 28 2012, 10:18 PM
- - onesliceshort   QUOTE (kawika)Take a look at the column. Both the ...   Dec 28 2012, 11:12 PM
- - elreb   Keep this page handy so we can talk about it. Flo...   Dec 29 2012, 01:40 PM
- - elreb   I think the bunker improvements tie together with ...   Dec 29 2012, 01:45 PM
- - elreb   Gee, no wonder Mayor Rudy Giuliani, Police Commiss...   Dec 29 2012, 05:45 PM
- - elreb   I like FEMA words. The 5th, 6th and 7th floors co...   Dec 29 2012, 08:24 PM
- - SanderO   Elreb, Not a bad verbal description of the strate...   Dec 29 2012, 09:23 PM
- - onesliceshort   I'd have to read through this a few times but ...   Dec 30 2012, 09:17 AM
|- - elreb   QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Dec 30 2012, 03:17...   Dec 30 2012, 01:25 PM
- - SanderO   In an long span open office structure the core car...   Dec 30 2012, 11:45 AM
- - onesliceshort   Thanks! To both. QUOTE What is 79 doing? ...   Dec 30 2012, 03:35 PM
|- - elreb   QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Dec 30 2012, 09:35...   Dec 30 2012, 05:23 PM
|- - elreb   QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Dec 30 2012, 09:35...   Dec 30 2012, 07:03 PM
|- - onesliceshort   QUOTE (elreb @ Dec 31 2012, 12:03 AM) OSS...   Dec 30 2012, 08:31 PM
|- - kawika   QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Dec 28 2012, 10:31...   Dec 30 2012, 08:55 PM
|- - elreb   QUOTE Is that truss 2 seen in this image of Floor ...   Dec 30 2012, 09:16 PM
- - SanderO   79 got blamed but he was a diversion.   Dec 30 2012, 04:33 PM
- - SanderO   You wouldn't have to weaken the trusses if you...   Dec 30 2012, 06:23 PM
- - SanderO   No I don't think so... those are the standard/...   Dec 30 2012, 08:33 PM
- - SanderO   Elreb, Not all trusses have diagonals or triangul...   Dec 30 2012, 10:17 PM
- - elreb   As expected, you are missing the point… And again...   Dec 30 2012, 11:03 PM
- - SanderO   The drawing in your last post is NOT a truss... it...   Dec 30 2012, 11:15 PM
- - elreb   So now magically Truss #3 is not a truss and the s...   Dec 30 2012, 11:50 PM
- - SanderO   What you showed is not a truss.. it's a diagon...   Dec 31 2012, 12:08 AM
- - elreb   Attention…all readers Do to the simple fact that ...   Dec 31 2012, 01:20 AM
- - onesliceshort   Oh man...my bad So would the splices shown be ...   Dec 31 2012, 06:28 AM
- - SanderO   OSS. Correct.. these are the so called beam stubs...   Dec 31 2012, 08:03 AM
- - SanderO   Some information about welds: http://www.weldingt...   Dec 31 2012, 09:30 AM
- - elreb   QUOTE The “trusses” were designed to transfer the ...   Dec 31 2012, 11:26 PM
|- - onesliceshort   QUOTE (elreb @ Jan 1 2013, 04:26 AM) I st...   Jan 1 2013, 08:32 AM
|- - SanderO   QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Jan 1 2013, 08:32 ...   Jan 1 2013, 11:35 AM
- - onesliceshort   Some 3 dimensional (partial) images of trusses 1 a...   Jan 1 2013, 09:00 AM
- - SanderO   OSS, I don't consider anyone an idiot. I hav...   Jan 1 2013, 11:22 AM
- - onesliceshort   I give up. As for the FEMA diagram, if the square...   Jan 1 2013, 12:06 PM
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- - SanderO   Thanks Elreb.... I will study these.. Are there ...   Jan 1 2013, 02:25 PM
|- - kawika   QUOTE (SanderO @ Dec 30 2012, 04:25 PM) T...   Jan 1 2013, 02:30 PM
- - elreb   Sometimes I do not explain myself well enough. Th...   Jan 1 2013, 02:52 PM
|- - onesliceshort   QUOTE (elreb @ Jan 1 2013, 07:52 PM) Some...   Jan 1 2013, 03:24 PM
- - SanderO   After seeing these photos (again) it reinforces my...   Jan 1 2013, 03:16 PM
- - elreb   I understand that certain parties would like to fo...   Jan 1 2013, 07:58 PM
|- - onesliceshort   QUOTE (elreb @ Jan 2 2013, 12:58 AM) I un...   Jan 1 2013, 08:28 PM
- - SanderO   The transfer trusses and girders were connecting a...   Jan 1 2013, 09:34 PM
- - kawika   The East Penthouse fell in, but the sunlight that ...   Jan 1 2013, 10:51 PM
- - elreb   Happy New year   Jan 1 2013, 10:57 PM
- - SanderO   There is good visual evidence that the east pentho...   Jan 2 2013, 12:07 AM
- - onesliceshort   QUOTE (kawika)We see 54 exterior columns!...   Jan 2 2013, 08:48 AM
- - SanderO   OSS, You may be not understand how any building w...   Jan 2 2013, 10:41 AM
- - SanderO   Are you suggesting that the East Penthouse mass dr...   Jan 2 2013, 10:44 AM
- - kawika   The exterior distortion races from top to bottom. ...   Jan 2 2013, 10:52 AM
- - SanderO   Interesting comment Kawika The floors likely were...   Jan 2 2013, 11:11 AM
- - onesliceshort   QUOTE Interesting comment Kawika Thanks kawika, I...   Jan 2 2013, 12:27 PM
|- - kawika   QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Dec 31 2012, 02:27...   Jan 2 2013, 12:33 PM
- - elreb   Check this out. 5th floor stair #1 next to Truss ...   Jan 2 2013, 01:28 PM
- - kawika   Nice find. Worth exploring further.   Jan 2 2013, 01:42 PM
- - SanderO   One floor ht per .1 secs is 13 feet per .1 sec = 1...   Jan 2 2013, 02:13 PM
|- - kawika   QUOTE (SanderO @ Dec 31 2012, 04:13 PM) O...   Jan 2 2013, 02:54 PM
- - SanderO   Don't worry about your spelling... we can read...   Jan 2 2013, 02:16 PM
- - elreb   Where are the bathrooms? By the way...the fire ca...   Jan 2 2013, 02:33 PM
- - elreb   Where is the weight on this blueprint? Not over 7...   Jan 2 2013, 04:43 PM
- - onesliceshort   QUOTE Does anyone know what was under the East pen...   Jan 2 2013, 09:09 PM
|- - elreb   QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Jan 2 2013, 03:09 ...   Jan 2 2013, 11:50 PM
|- - DoYouEverWonder   QUOTE Does anyone know what was under the East pen...   Jan 3 2013, 08:00 AM
- - onesliceshort   Thanks DYEW. QUOTE ''We built in enough r...   Jan 3 2013, 08:28 AM
|- - SanderO   QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Jan 3 2013, 08:28 ...   Jan 3 2013, 09:57 AM
- - DoYouEverWonder   A bit off topic, but the irony is just too much fo...   Jan 3 2013, 08:45 AM
- - SanderO   Nothing suspicious about the structural alteration...   Jan 3 2013, 09:46 AM
|- - DoYouEverWonder   QUOTE (SanderO @ Jan 3 2013, 08:46 AM) No...   Jan 3 2013, 03:12 PM
- - onesliceshort   QUOTE Is the implication of DYEW's post that S...   Jan 3 2013, 10:26 AM
- - SanderO   OSS, We would have to see the plans of the altera...   Jan 3 2013, 10:51 AM
- - elreb   Oops, I ask the wrong question. I meant to ask “W...   Jan 3 2013, 01:31 PM
- - SanderO   Virtually every high rise building in NYC has mech...   Jan 3 2013, 01:48 PM
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