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Al Gore: Climate Change Skeptics Are Flat Earthers, video

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post Apr 4 2008, 12:24 PM
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I'm starting to get a grip on what's going on with the "global warming" debate. I believe it's very likely that global warming is being pushed as an issue to get Al Gore into the whitehouse to keep control of the US in the hands of the 911 perps in the event the populace grows hip to the Bush/Clinto crime family and it's stranglehold on American politics. In other words, Al Gore is the 911 perps'saftey net. Global warming is being used as Gore's platform to get him elected. "Global Warming" also serves as a distratction from the Iraq war and other REAL issues like 911, the economy, and the ripping off of America. And so that that no one misunderstands me, even as a precaution, I would recommend that we go to free-energy and alternative sources. Also, going to alternative energy sorces takes away the 911 perps 2 main reasons/justifications for war; 'peak oil' and revenue to fuel the war machine.

No Global Warming Since 1998 As Planet Cools Off
UN scientists admit that natural weather occurrences more powerful than CO2 emissions
Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Friday, April 4, 2008

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april...8_cools_off.htm

Top UN scientists have been forced to admit that natural weather occurrences are having a far greater effect on climate change than CO2 emissions as a continued cooling trend means there has been no global warming since 1998.

But despite overwhelming signs of global cooling - China's coldest winter for 100 years and record snow levels across Northeast America - allied with temperature records showing a decline - global warming advocates still cling to the notion that the world is cooling because of global warming!

"Global temperatures will drop slightly this year as a result of the cooling effect of the La Nina current in the Pacific, UN meteorologists have said," reports the BBC.

"The World Meteorological Organization's secretary-general, Michel Jarraud, told the BBC it was likely that La Nina would continue into the summer."

"This would mean global temperatures have not risen since 1998, prompting some to question climate change theory."

The report admits that La Nina and its counterpart, El Nino, are "two great natural Pacific currents whose effects are so huge they resonate round the world."

Wait a minute.

According to man-made global warming advocates, CO2 emissions are the main driver of climate change and natural weather patterns caused by sun activity and other native contributors play second fiddle.

But here we have UN climate scientists admitting that natural climate change contributors have eclipsed the effect of CO2 emissions for the past 10 years, even as carbon belchers like China and India have increased CO2 output at record levels!

Global temperatures have remained reasonably flat since a decline in 1998 and cooling trends are now being observed despite the fact that carbon dioxide levels have increased in the atmosphere (see graph below).

Indeed, the latest evidence from climatological surveys shows that the earth's upper oceans and the troposphere, the primary indicators of climate change, have not been warming for the last four years.

On the whole, the world is getting colder (see above), which is why "global warming" suddenly became "climate change" when temperature levels since 2003 started to prove the alarmists wrong.

Carbon emissions have never driven climate change because as ice core samples clearly show, carbon dioxide is a consequence of temperature increase and not a cause of it, sometimes lagging behind by as much as 800 years.

Following the accelerated industrialization period of 1940-1970, when carbon emissions reached a crescendo, global temperatures plummeted, prompting an international fearmongering campaign about the deadly consequences of global cooling.

So-called experts were lavished with media platforms to tell us that all animal life in the sea would be extinct by 1979 and England would be underwater by the year 2000, amidst a myriad of other outlandish proclamations.

As the graph above shows, an expected downturn in global temperatures over the next 15 years will force climate change alarmists to become even more feverish.

Al Gore's army are going to have to get more creative and blame any weather event whatsoever, be it hurricanes, tsunamis, or floods that have battered the planet for eons, and yes even global cooling, on their favorite justification to tax, regulate and control every aspect of our life - global warming.
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post Apr 4 2008, 12:26 PM
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I find it interesting that Gore want to go head to head with big oil yet isn't interested in 911 truth.

Get a load of this Al Gore/global warming organization ad.

http://www.wecansolveit.org/?source=GooglePaidSearch

It's even pushing the fake moon landings just like Gore did on 60 Minutes. We're all being played for fools.
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:yawn

http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/...en-says-no.aspx

"“Global warming stopped in 1998” has become a recent mantra of those who wish to deny the reality of human-caused global warming. The continued rapid increase of the five-year running mean temperature exposes this assertion as nonsense. In reality, global temperature jumped two standard deviations above the trend line in 1998 because the “El Nino of the century” coincided with the calendar year, but there has been no lessening of the underlying warming trend. ..."


http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/earth_temp.html

"""It is unlikely that 2008 will be a year with truly exceptional global mean temperature," said Hansen. "Barring a large volcanic eruption, a record global temperature clearly exceeding that of 2005 can be expected within the next few years, at the time of the next El Nino, because of the background warming trend attributable to continuing increases of greenhouse gases."

The eight warmest years in the GISS record have all occurred since 1998, and the 14 warmest years in the record have all occurred since 1990.""


I really find it unbelievable that so many 9/11 truthers fall for this Reich wing Oil company funded bullsh!t, you are all parroting what Rush Limbaugh, Matt Drudge, Faux News fascist etc are all spewing and you mindlessly keep on doing it with great zeal.
Pretty scary considering all of you should know better and at least have the good sense to see through the 9/11 false flag lies.

Just imagine how easily the average nitwit American falls for this claptrap, Exxonmobiles money is well spent I guess.
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http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=468
Al Gore: The Other Oil Candidate

by Bill Mesler, Special to CorpWatch
August 29th, 2000

Integrity in the Balance
Bill Mesler reports on Gore's broken promises on a toxic Ohio waste incinerator.

For thousands of years, the Kitanemuk Indians made their home in the Elk Hills of central California. Come February 2001, the last of the 100 burial grounds, holy places and other archaeological sites of the Kitanemuks will be obliterated by the oil drilling of Occidental Petroleum Company. Oxy's plans will "destroy forever the evidence that we once existed on this land," according to Dee Dominguez, a Kitanemuk whose great grandfather was a signatory to the 1851 treaty that surrendered the Elk Hills.

Occidental's planned drilling of the Elk Hills doesn't only threaten the memory of the Kitanemuk. Environmentalists say a rare species of fox, lizard and the kangaroo rat would also be threatened by Oxy's plans. A lawsuit has been filed under the Endangered Species Act. But none of that has given pause to Occidental or the politician who helped engineer the sale of the drilling rights to the federally-owned Elk Hills. That politician is Al Gore.

Gore recommended that the Elk Hills be sold as part of his 1995 "Reinventing Government" National Performance Review program. Gore-confidant (and former campaign manager) Tony Cohelo served on the board of directors of the private company hired to assess the sale's environmental consequences. The sale was a windfall for Oxy. Within weeks of the announced purchase Occidental stock rose ten percent.

That was good news for Gore. Despite controversy over Dick Cheney's plans to keep stock options if elected, most Americans don't know that we already have a vice president with oil company stocks. Before the Elk Hills sale, Al Gore controlled between $250,000-$500,000 of Occidental stock (he is executor of a trust that he says goes only to his mother, but will revert to him upon her death). After the sale, Gore began disclosing between $500,000 and $1 million of his significantly more valuable stock.

Nowhere is Al Gore's environmental hypocrisy more glaring than when it comes to his relationship with Occidental. While on the one hand talking tough about his "big oil" opponents and waxing poetic about indigenous peoples in his 1992 book "Earth in the Balance," the Elk Hills sale and other deals show that money has always been more important to Al Gore than ideals.

From California to Colombia: Native Lands Threatened
The Kitanemuk are not the only indigenous group threatened by Occidental's oil operations. The 5000-member strong U'wa of northeastern Colombia, have threatened mass suicide if Oxy proceeds with plans to begin drilling oil on their ancestral homeland. The U'wa, who retain their language and traditions, understand the introduction of oil would devastate their culture. They also understand that oil facilities would put them in the midst of Colombia's fierce civil war.

"To the U'wa, oil equals violence," explains Danny Kennedy, director of the Berkeley, California-based Project Underground, which has helped wage an international campaign of support for the U'wa. Oil installations are a favorite target of leftist guerillas at war with the Colombian government. After guerillas bomb the installations, the army occupies the area. "Then comes the paramilitary, who are basically soldiers with hoods on at night. Then comes the terror campaign" says Kennedy. The U'wa, who have little contact with either the government or the guerillas, would end up becoming targets.

The U'wa have attracted international sympathy, but their efforts to enlist the support of Occidental's most famous shareholder -- Al Gore -- have come to naught. Gore publicly met the outcry over the U'wa with silence. The Vice President even refused a request by a Democratic member of Congress that he meet with an U'wa representative who had traveled to Washington to see him.

Meanwhile, Occidental pressed for the massive military aide package for Colombia the administration recently pushed through Congress. Occidental Vice President Lawrence Mirage testified before Congress in favor of the military aide package during the February deliberations, throwing in that those opposed to Occidental's drilling were a bunch of "extremists."

Two things set the U'wa struggle and the Elk Hills sale apart from the corporate welfare so typical of the New Democrats: Al Gore's direct financial interest and his close relationship with Occidental Petroleum that dates back to his father.

A Family Affair
Gore senior first met long-time Occidental CEO Armand Hammer at a cattle auction in the 1940s. When zinc ore was discovered on some of Gore's land, Hammer and Oxy bought it for twice the amount of the only other bid. Hammer then sold the land back to Gore while retaining the mineral rights. The elder Gore then sold the land to his son, Al Jr., who has received $20,000 yearly in mineral royalties from Occidental ever since. Two years after Gore Sr. was defeated in a bid for re-election to the Senate, he joined Occidental as a member of its board of directors and was rewarded with a $500,000 a year job working for an Oxy subsidiary.

Throughout his political life, Al Gore Jr. has received the favor the patronage of Occidental and Hammer's successor, CEO Ray Irani. And for every campaign finance violation Gore has committed, Irani seems to be lurking in the background. He was one of the contributors who slept in the Lincoln bedroom (a couple days later Irani wrote a $100,000 check to the DNC). When Al Gore made illegal fundraising calls from the White House, Irani was one of the recipients (he ponied up $50,000, according to a Harold Ickes memo unearthed during the investigation). In the Elk Hills sell-off , Irani and Oxy finally got the payoff worthy of their long patronage. It is a payoff crooked businessmen have dreamed of ever since the land was stripped from the Kitanemuks during the Gold Rush. Indeed, the history of Elk Hills and corruption is an old one. And it is a story most Americans have heard.

Gore's Teapot Dome Scandal?
In 1922, executives of the Pan-American Petroleum and Transport Company (now known as ARCO) bribed Albert Fall, President Warren Harding's interior secretary, to give them leases to two oil fields reserved for a military emergency. One was on field in Wyoming called the "Teapot Dome," the name by which we would forever remember the biggest bribery scandal in modern American history.

The other field in the scandal was the navy's 47,000-acre reserve in the Elk Hills, near Bakersfield in Central California. These were traditional lands of the Kitanemuk people, better known by the name the Spanish gave them, the Tejon. They were forced off the Elk Hills by treaties signed with the federal government in 1851 during the midst of the gold rush and have since lived on the nearby Fort Tejon reservation, now called "Tejon Ranch."

While the scandal scuttled ARCO's plans, Occidental succeeded in acquiring Elk Hills seventy five years later. In 1997, after Gore's recommendation the land be sold, Oxy bought the region from the federal government for $3.7 billion. The sale represented a tripling of the company's U.S. oil reserves. Mired for years by declining reserves, Occidental's revenues for the first quarter of this year showed a dramatic 87 percent increase from the same period in 1999, before it began operations in the Elk Hills.

To complete the environmental assessment, the Energy Department hired a private company to complete the environmental impact statement necessary for the sale. The company was ICF Kaiser International, and on its board of directors sat none-other than Democratic super-fundraiser Tony Cohelo. Cohelo would later become Gore's campaign manager before being dumped after the Democrat's early stumbles. He is currently the subject of investigations by former employers in the State Department and by the Census Monitoring Board, seeking to determine if he misused his positions (both were administration appointments) for personal gain. The Securities and Exchange Commission, meanwhile, is investigating Cohelo's myriad financial empire.

The Elk Hills sale, not surprisingly, was quickly approved. "I can't say that I've ever seen an environmental assessment prepared so quickly," says Peter Eisner, director of the Washington-D.C. public advocacy group Center for Public Integrity.

Meanwhile, as it became clear that Oxy was looking to undertake massive drilling operations in the Elk Hills, the 500 remaining Kitanemuk sought assurances from Oxy that their native sites and burial grounds would not be destroyed. Company officials said they would protect their heritage. But it soon it became apparent that the last of the 100 archaeological sites identified by the tribe would be destroyed by February 2001. Occidental agreed to first allow the State Native American Heritage Commission to retrieve what it feels is most valuable for a future display at a Museum at the California State University in Bakersfield.

"They are going to take the last memories of our people, the last evidence that we once inhabited this land and put it in a box and ship it off to a museum," laments tribal member Dee Dominguez. "All the material culture of the Kitanemuk would be destroyed forever. (But) the oil they are extracting will be completely drained in twenty years."

Dominguez calls Occidental executives "cold" and "insensitive," unwilling even to consider slant drilling that would save pieces of the tribe's history for future generations. "We've never denied them taking oil," she says. "We are not asking for land. We are not asking for royalties. We are just asking them to leave something to show that we were here."

As for Al Gore's role in the whole affair, Dominguez says she has thought about writing him. But she doesn't think it will help. "[Clinton and Gore] sold us down the river," she says. "It turns my stomach every time I hear them talk about family."
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occidental petroleum v the u'wa indians: the ooze surrounding Al Gore
by Robert Sterling (robalini@aol.com) - December 14, 2000

http://www.disinfo.com/archive/pages/dossier/id440/pg1/

The Republican U.S. Presidential ticket of Shrub Bush and Dick Cheney is widely viewed as the dream team for big oil, and deservedly so. Even before the choice of the Gulf War Secretary of Defense by George W. Bush, there was widespread suspicion among the information underground that the steep recent rise in oil prices was payback by oil interests for the longtime service of the candidate's father to black gold corporations.
The "gas price conspiracy" is an extremely plausible theory. Still, all the discussion of the Bush-Cheney connection to oil giants tends to obscure the fact that Al Gore has his own corrupting ties to petroleum barons. The link has been highlighted recently in alternative news sources by the battle in Colombia between Occidental Petroleum and the U'wa Indians.

The U'wa tribe is trying to stop Occidental Petroleum from drilling a huge oil reserve (estimated at 1.5 billion barrels). The crude is found on U'wa ancestral lands, and the Indians are involved in a stand-off with the Colombian military, which is trying to remove them from drilling sites. The 5000-member tribe is threatening mass suicide if Occidental begins drilling, as they consider themselves the guardians of the forest.

Occidental is no stranger to Gore and his family: Armand Hammer, who made the oil giant what it is today - and who has been described as "the Godfather of American corporate corruption" - would boast that Gore's father, Senator Albert Gore, Sr., was "in my back pocket."

After leaving the Senate in 1970, Hammer gave him a US$500 000-a-year job and a seat on OP's board of directors. The Democratic nominee owns between US$500 000 and US$1 million dollars of Occidental stock, and receives a US$20 000 annual payment from the corporation for supposed mineral rights on the land that Occidental has never attempted to extract. The company's headquarters are in Los Angeles, not far from the 2000 Democratic Convention.

The U'wa land sweetheart deal resembles a similar one of recent in Bolivia, where a public water utility was swindled away by Bechtel with the World Bank's blessing in the name of "privatization."

The Colombian government is a crooked narcocracy, and the plundering of sacred land for corporate billions is opposed by many in Colombia. Coincidentally, the Colombian military is the beneficiary of US$1.3 billion in the phony "War on Drugs."

Despite the ties of the Colombian fighting forces and fascist right-wing death squads to the international drug trade, the focus of the "drug war" are left-wing guerrillas who oppose the brand of corporate fascism embraced by the puppet government.

All this feeds into the cynicism of many that there isn't much difference between Bush and Gore. Protests against both parties are on the rise, and will continue to do so as long as politicians serve the interest of titans like Occidental over the rights of people worldwide.
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post Apr 6 2008, 05:11 PM
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More proof of Gore's 'dedication' to the environment.
http://crm114.com/algore/bigoil.html

Nunyabz, I am all for alternative energy regardless of wether or not global warming is real. Removing oil and gas as THE major energy souces takes away the Pentagon's justification for war (peak oil, wehetr real or not) and major funding in the form of oil profits. What I am saying is that regarding this topic we would be wise to at least QUSTION those pushing this issue (Wall Street and the ruling elite) as it has the potential to be used AGAINST us in terms of curtailing freedom of movement and increased taxes designed to futher enslave us financialy thereby rendering efforts to pursue the 911 perps futile.

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I could give a ratz arse if you boil Gore in oil, whatever he does is moot.

facts remain that Global Warming has been scientifically proven by 1000s of independent researchers & climatologist to the best of their ability with observed data collected over decades.
What the Corporations try to do in order to capitalize on that is meaningless.
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post Apr 9 2008, 04:43 PM
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Global Warming or Global Governance?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4860344067427439443
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post Apr 9 2008, 05:42 PM
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I think It's ridiculous to suggest boiling Al he's quite obviously perfect for a spit roast, a bit of tater salad some fava beans and a nice glass of Chianti. supsupsup.

Oh wrong thread. rolleyes.gif
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This is an excellent thread. So much intelligent thought gives me hope.

I was leaning toward believing the "global warming" theory at one time and now I'm leaning against it.

I don't know if anyone else brought this up, but have we considered that the elite globalists (of which Al Gore is one), might WANT us to be arguing about the issue? After all, this is their general strategy - divide and conquer.

I mean, everyone here does get it, that the whole "Democrat - Republican" thing is a big set-up so the elites can rule us, don't they? An example I know we can certainly all agree on is that the 9/11 coverup is basically a BIPARTISAN effort.

Another idea I don't know was brought up or not - that maybe global warming, whether real or made-up, is being used as a propaganda tool for the elites to further along their world government agenda. After all, they will need an external "enemy" to the whole world to bring the whole world together under one government. Aliens from outer space would probably work as the best "enemy" but they might have to use "global warming" as a next best option.

But, overall, I think the global warming issue or non-issue pales in comparison to a related, but much bigger issue. That is the attempt of the elites to CONTROL the weather, and who knows what else, through the aerial spraying (chemtrail) program. (See chemtrailcentral.com and chemtrail thread under alternative theories).
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QUOTE (Sue @ Apr 13 2008, 08:59 PM) *
But, overall, I think the global warming issue or non-issue pales in comparison to a related, but much bigger issue. That is the attempt of the elites to CONTROL the weather, and who knows what else, through the aerial spraying (chemtrail) program. (See chemtrailcentral.com and chemtrail thread under alternative theories).


Bingo.

They, the elite, want to control ALL aspects of our lives; water, food, sex, even the weather. Additionally, you will see black-ops type operations where segmants of different populations, both domestic and foreign, where weather will be blamed for a catastrophe which wil result in martial law being called for as in the case of hurricane Katrina where many of the locals swear they heard blasts coming from the area of the levees just before the 'gave way'. In fact, Katrina was weakinging and the major brunt of the storm had passed through when the levees 'broke'. As a result, homes were searched for guns and residents were ushered in the stadium at gunpoint. This type of thing will be going on all ovbe the world where groups of people declared "undesirable" or "radical" are located and the perps have 'plausible denial' going for them to make people that question the event look like kooks. A fair case can be made that the entire Katrina escapade was one big psy-ops.

Levee breaks, tsunamis, floods, oh my!

Yeah, right.

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So much intelligent thought gives me hope.

I was leaning toward believing the "global warming" theory at one time and now I'm leaning against it.


OMG, talk about contradicting oneself from one sentence to the next, just "lean" towards the facts presented by 1000s upon 1000s of climatologist the world over and stop listening to Reich wing oil company propaganda. I know it "appears" the oil company agenda holds as much or more credence as 99% of every climatologist on the planet however that is only because they spend 10s of Billions to get that tiny fraction of pure BS propaganda out there while the real scientist basically spend nothing. They just tell the facts.
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You keep on repeating those lines Nunyabiz, as if we could not possibly look at the evidence on both side and come to our own conclusion, that we need "experts" to tell us what is true. "Experts" are a dime a dozen, they are like the "journalist" who report the news everyday, so now people are starting to question authority and think for themselves, how frightening !

It's odd that you mention propaganda when the only perspective that is allowed in the mainstream media is that global warming is real and the end of the world is near, even the George Bush is a believer !
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Lecture by Bob Carter ... in 4 (10 minute) parts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOLkze-9GcI&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vN06JSi-SW8...feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCXDISLXTaY...feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpQQGFZHSno...feature=related

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Central Plank Of Global Warming Alarmism Discredited
Inspiration for Al Gore's movie cover, contention that global warming causes intense hurricanes, discredited by professor who first proposed it
Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Monday, April 14, 2008

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april...discredited.htm

One of the central philosophies of climate change alarmism and an image that adorned the cover of Al Gore's An Inconvenient Truth - the contention that global warming causes deadly hurricanes - has been completely discredited by the expert who first proposed it.

Hurricane buff and professor of Atmospheric Science at MIT Kerry Emanuel asserted for over 20 years that global warming breeds more frequent and stronger storms and he shot to prominence just one month before Hurricane Katrina in 2005 when he delivered the "final proof" that global warming was already causing extreme weather events and wrecking livelihoods.

Emanuel was subsequently acknowledged with a place in Time Magazine's "100 People Who Shape Our World" list.

Al Gore was so inspired by Emanuel's research that he devoted the iconic front cover image of his 2006 movie An Inconvenient Truth to his warning, portraying a hurricane emerging from a Co2-belching smokestack.
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QUOTE (Nunyabiz @ Apr 14 2008, 05:10 PM) *
OMG, talk about contradicting oneself from one sentence to the next, just "lean" towards the facts presented by 1000s upon 1000s of climatologist the world over and stop listening to Reich wing oil company propaganda. I know it "appears" the oil company agenda holds as much or more credence as 99% of every climatologist on the planet however that is only because they spend 10s of Billions to get that tiny fraction of pure BS propaganda out there while the real scientist basically spend nothing. They just tell the facts.


Nunyabiz, AL Gore IS big oil. Check out his connections to Occidental Petrolium.
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Nancy Pelosi and Newt Gingrich Commercial on Climate Change










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QUOTE (André @ Apr 19 2008, 06:09 PM) *
Nancy Pelosi and Newt Gingrich Commercial on Climate Change

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Oh my god! If this comerical wasn't tragic it would be hilarious.

It's starting to look like "the gloabl warming" issue is being used to distract the populace from PROVEN crimes like 911, the Palestinian and iraqi genocides, Wall Street rip-offs and the economy. The 911 perps are also trying to look like 'good guys' because they are "pro-environemt". biggrin.gif

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Thanks Sanders

Carter finally presents some real science data

not some farsical computer model that does not even take into account clouds and rain fall
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/sigh

Bob Carter has no more credentials to dispute Global Warming than I do, he is a Marine Geologist, he has never to my knowledge submitted anything about GW for peer review, he also works for the well know Reich wing think tank and oil company shills "Institute of Public Affairs au".
Most of these Climate Change deniers are Geologist which is what you would expect working as oil company shills.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/environment/min...3722560417.html

http://www.desmogblog.com/rm-bob-carter

Meanwhile there are 1000s of highly accredited Climate scientist which don't work for Exxon mobile that refute everything these shills spew, I think I will stick to what they have to say as opposed to Oil companies and Faux news.
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