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April Gallop Sues American Airlines, But Claims There Was No Plane?, April Gallop Set to go to court again, but should she be supported?

BlueSky
post Mar 24 2011, 12:20 PM
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The documents shown on this forum thread: http://www.atsadgrab.com/forum/thread424507/pg1 are quite.... bad if she is going to go to court again.


Amidst Growing World Doubts About 9/11, Career Army Officer Takes Bush Administration Officials to Court April 5th http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20110324050310393

What is the deal with this lady?
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post Jul 8 2011, 02:26 PM
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Yes OSS, I made it that far. rolleyes.gif

Gosh, and now I discover I'm a missle/drone hugger! Oh, the cruelty!

But I'm used to playing the heretic/iconoclast role--sometimes it's fun.

I don't know there was a flying object that penetrated the building, but I do suspect that, only because of the presence of assorted engine pieces and landing gear pieces. I am totally open to the possibility that somebody placed those pieces there, but so far nobody has provided evidence either way, at least as far as I know.

And just for the record, I've not made any claims here that I know it all.

And just for the record I'm convinced CIT has proved that the path was NOC, and that somebody made a low pass in a Boeing.

In an effort to throw my 2 cents into answering some of the questions posed by OSS:

1. No, I don't think so. I have not been keeping up with all the details lately, but it seems that all the legitimate eye witnesses reported some sort of airliner. As I recall, some witnesses in the greater DC area reported a smaller type aircraft, maybe commuter or business jet? Some reported hearing a 'whooshing' sound.

When I first visited PFT, there was a thread somewhere claiming that some guys at a shop somewhere in Colorado, like Jeffco, had been paid to modify an A-3. Maybe it was just a planted thread, and a planted story, but I do remember reading it, having spent some time in Denver and Jeffco.

2. Don't know. Crude 'shape charge'?? But we know there were charges expertly placed inside.
3. It wasn't dissolved--fake or real, there were some engine and landing gear parts there.
4. Yes, we do have terrain-following systems in use, and I think did have then too. Homing devices including laser targeting was also in use in 2001.
5. No opinion. I have not suggested anything was launched from the aircraft, even if it existed.
6. Ditto #4
7. I'm no explosives expert, but it would seem that how and to what any explosives might be attached would determine any resulting craters. No opinion.
8. No opinion.


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Humans, explosive experts with military experience, I suspect, carried and placed the explosives into the building. It is an artform, you know, to work with explosives over many years experience.
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QUOTE (amazed! @ Jul 8 2011, 07:26 PM) *
Yes OSS, I made it that far. rolleyes.gif

Gosh, and now I discover I'm a missle/drone hugger! Oh, the cruelty!

But I'm used to playing the heretic/iconoclast role--sometimes it's fun.

I don't know there was a flying object that penetrated the building, but I do suspect that, only because of the presence of assorted engine pieces and landing gear pieces. I am totally open to the possibility that somebody placed those pieces there, but so far nobody has provided evidence either way, at least as far as I know.


We could go round in circles with this one, but simply put, the trajectory witnessed makes "impact" by any flying object impossible.

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And just for the record, I've not made any claims here that I know it all.


I never even insinuated that!

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And just for the record I'm convinced CIT has proved that the path was NOC, and that somebody made a low pass in a Boeing.


Agreed. Though I'm totally open the the very real possibility that it was a "souped up" or modified aircraft disguised as a "Boeing".

QUOTE (Amazed!)
In an effort to throw my 2 cents into answering some of the questions posed by OSS:

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1. is this the same "flying object" that the witnesses (NOC) described?


1. No, I don't think so. I have not been keeping up with all the details lately, but it seems that all the legitimate eye witnesses reported some sort of airliner. As I recall, some witnesses in the greater DC area reported a smaller type aircraft, maybe commuter or business jet? Some reported hearing a 'whooshing' sound.


These witnesses?

http://z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?s...t&p=2414255

You don't think that the fact that people from much further away who claimed to see a "commuter plane/small plane" don't corraborate with witnesses who saw it right over their heads or coming towards them might lead to only one conclusion?

One of them, Steve Patterson, (who can't be found) made 3 totally contradictory claims. That the aircraft flew over Arlington Cemetery, yet flew 150ft from his apartment in Crystal City and that he saw the fireball rise "from the back of the building"!

The "whoosh" A?

QUOTE (Amazed)
When I first visited PFT, there was a thread somewhere claiming that some guys at a shop somewhere in Colorado, like Jeffco, had been paid to modify an A-3. Maybe it was just a planted thread, and a planted story, but I do remember reading it, having spent some time in Denver and Jeffco.


First I've heard of it to be honest, but it sounds planted. If 9/11 was indeed a military op there's no way they'd leave a loose end like that IMHO.

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2. if it is, how did they manage to ensure the complete "penetration" of the facade?


2. Don't know. Crude 'shape charge'?? But we know there were charges expertly placed inside.


Agreed about the charges planted inside, but it doesn't answer the question. If there was a shape charge designed to allow entry, you don't see the dangers to the op? The precision timing needed?
Why complicate the op so much? A large aircraft flying NOC, a smaller plane flying SOC (backed by dubious testimony from miles away), shaped charges to allow entry for the smaller plane and a flyover?


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3. how did they manage to dissolve (literally) an entire aircraft within 40-60ft of said "penetration" (I mean, totally unscathed columns)?


3. It wasn't dissolved--fake or real, there were some engine and landing gear parts there.


I'm talking about an alleged "NOC impact" scenario. The aircraft would have had to have "dissolved" within 40-60ft.

http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac269/a...0daysmarked.jpg

Nobody saw any flying object of any description flying the necessary OCT SOC path. Nobody.


The unidentified parts? Didn't you just tell Robert that one of the craft mentioned didn't have a landing gear?

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4. how did they manage to "penetrate" the first floor in a low level trajectory given the obstacles that immediately preceded the facade right up to @400ft from the facade which would have required an immediate descent and pull-up within a fraction of a second? How did they avoid leaving debris on the lawn on a downward trajectory?


4. Yes, we do have terrain-following systems in use, and I think did have then too. Homing devices including laser targeting was also in use in 2001.


But one that can navigate steep inclines? Pull up?

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5. how could they launch anything from the aircraft on the witnessed trajectory and cause the damage in the opposite direction?


5. No opinion. I have not suggested anything was launched from the aircraft, even if it existed.


That wasn't primarily directed at you. I was just trying to cover all of the theories floating about.
"even if it existed"? What, the aircraft seen by the witnesses? Are we talking holograms now?

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6. if something was launched from anywhere other than the aircraft, where from? How did they overcome the steep incline that precedes the lawn? I know there are "ground hugging" devices, but one that "knows" when to pull up?


6. Ditto #4


Ditto the answer to 4

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7. if the claim is that explosives were used to help with the "desintegration", why are there no craters of any kind? how did people in the immediate vicinity survive unscathed? how would any penetration have been successful?


7. I'm no explosives expert, but it would seem that how and to what any explosives might be attached would determine any resulting craters. No opinion.


There were no craters.

http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac269/a...elookingout.jpg

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8. how did they control a "missile" launched from outside the building to stop at C Ring and leave the wall of B Ring unscathed when it inevitably "emerged"?


8. No opinion.


No answer more like?

All I've learned from the exchange is that you believe an A3/Douglas modified aircraft with tracking capabilities that can pull up at the exact moment was launched from ? , and that it was timed to coincide with the (possible hologram?) NOC multiple witnessed aircraft (as opposed to the "commuter jet" allegedly witnessed up to 1, 2 or 3 miles away but witnessed by nobody in the immediate area), the NOC plane flew over, while the "commuter jet cum smart missile" pulled up, entering the building thanks to perfectly timed, perfectly placed shape charges that allowed full "penetration"?

The parts that were allegedly found were allegedly Boeing pieces (or at least from a larger aircraft). Were these pieces actually part of this smaller plane? Or were they planted on the smaller plane??

I'm lost man. Sorry if the post became a bit sarcy but I'm even more confused.

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- BlueSky   April Gallop Sues American Airlines, But Claims There Was No Plane?   Mar 24 2011, 12:20 PM
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