Deliberate Misrepresentation of Evidence, Videos carefully crafted to be easily debunked Options

[Natasha]

Well done Sanders! (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Sanders]

Just hang around a bit, Natasha, you will be dazzled by the chemistry of this admin/mod team. You ain't seen nothing yet till you see Cary or Rob draw the line in the sand (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/yes1.gif) . (It's a beautiful sight to behold (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) )

(and even I have my moments (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) )

[Natasha]

I am truly amazed so far Sanders.

I have never seen admin like this, anywhere else, not even once.

I have never been treated so well on a forum either. It is nice to be a round real adults for a change.

[Natasha]

UPDATE

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So what on earth, ever got me to start wondering, if the 911 movement.org forum is really a counter intelligence operation of some kind?

It is my belief, that there have been enough odd coincidences involving Rick Siegel, to cause anyone, truly concerned with discovering the truth, to look deeper into this.

Sidley Austin Brown & Wood LLP, whom Siegel worked for at the time, moved everything out of their WTC office just before 911. That is quite a coincidence. Rick Siegel also "just happened" to be all set up, that fateful morning, safely across the river in Hoboken in order to film 911. That is another very interesting coincidence.

Here are a few more interesting coincidences.

At the beginning of his movie 911 Eyewitness, Siegel displays his WTC security passes, to two very powerful high end firms in the WTC.

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Did Siegel actually 'want' people to, at some point, begin to wonder and associate his name with these high end businesses rumored to have CIA and big oil connections? Why would he do that though? I mean has Siegel ever done anything to make NPT and video fakery theorists look bad?

Let us review.

Just as September Clues began to go viral, a reputed 911 widow was attacked on Siegel's NPT blog by "Amanda Reckonwith", and Siegel exacerbated that disastrous PR move by sending several nasty emails to John Albanese.

Then Siegel made a transparent half hearted, attempt to cover all this up, and the next thing you know "somebody" contacted a NY POST columnist, who just happens to be a friend of Siegel's, who then wrote the NPT damning 9/11 SKEPTICS' LUNATIC FRINGE TARGETS VICTIM'S WIDOW article which appeared in the freaking NY POST! I was, and indeed still am, very upset about that.

True to form, Siegel then goes on FOX Radio and claims that he is not in the 911 Truth movement, but he was only "latched onto" by the conspiracy nuts because of his 911 Eyewitness movie, and to top it all off he also distanced himself, by a thousand miles, from Nico Haupt and the NPT crowd.

Now here we see Rick Siegel bragging about what an "absolute art piece" the interview was. Well artifice it is, most certainly.


"The ultimate example of an interview. Take a lesson and learn a craft. Anyone can do it. Nothing could be easier." - Rick Siegel


MP3 file of John Gibson and Rick Siegel July 17, 2007


Odd behavior indeed, for a man who had previously falsely accused John Albanese, of supposedly having said that he was not part of the 911 movement during his Fox TV News interview. John Albanese had said no such thing however, and I made this clear on the 911 movement forum, by posting the original footage of the Albanese interview.

Here is that video.

John Albanese on foxnews

Here is the version that Rick Siegel had selectively cut to misrepresent the truth.

Rick Siegel's Youtube video attack on John Albanese


At this point I began urging Killtown, and the rest of them at the 911movement.org forum, to distance themselves from Siegel, because of how these things could damage the NPT movement, and for my trouble I was personally attacked by "Slick", numerous times and marginalized by Killtown. My posts were deleted and moved around, and I was harassed and baited by both Slick and Killtown.

Now strangely after a week of this, Siegel suddenly picks a dramatic public fight with Killtown on his NPT blog, which ended with him deleting Killtown's posts and also denouncing Fred for questioning that. Now isn't that interesting? At the very least the timing is quite suspicious. If you don't believe me, I can show you my copies of the "911 movement forum", from that period. Once again bear in mind, that all of this occurred right out in public, just as September Clues began to go viral. Just a coincidence surely.

Consider how Rick Siegel has long hosted the NPT movement, bus barn, the 9/11 Researchers Blog System. Yet could he have done any more, to sabotage them, if he were being paid to? Coincidences being what they are, the coinciding of seemingly unrelated events, one is left to sort through them to determine if they really are truly unrelated.

Consider also how "Killtown and company" responded to my efforts, to head off Siegel's latest horrendous NPT killing PR debacle, by banning me from their "free speech" 911 movement forum. The "free speech" aspect of which, they so often brag of when comparing their forum to supposed non free speech forums like Pilots, Loose Change, and all other forums really.


So is Siegel a lone COINTELPRO OP, sabotaging the TV Fakery NPT researchers, "stealthily" from the inside? Well now certainly not stealthily, and to me it now seems obvious, that not alone either. Could it be that the entire visible, orthodox, NPT sub-movement 'now' at the 911 movement forum, is really a COINTELPRO operation maintained solely to discredit evidence of NPC and MSM complicity?

Limited hangouts for limited truth, or even a whole lot of truth, presented so badly with such transparent hypocrisy, almost seems tailor made to send everybody off the trail now doesn't it?


Furthermore. ....



SPY TALK and OREO Cookies

Recently, I wrote about how Fred, incorporated an OREO cookie placement add in one of his latest videos. Sadly that was also the high point, because now in retrospect, the rest of the video is just meaningless filler.

Watch Fred's video with OREO cookie placement add.

I wrote also, of how shocked I was upon viewing it, because to me it looked like an especially blatant attempt to taint NPT.

Then it dawned on me. There may be more to this.

I mentioned also that I found this interesting reference to the word "OREO" on acronymfinder.com.

Acronym ...... Meaning

OREO: Other Real Estate Owned.
OREO: Ok to Release per Executive Order.


I said also, that spies have a long history, of implanting code words in print newspaper and magazine adds, to signal other OPs, regarding impending operations. Well, they also used personal ads often, and so why not Youtube? OK OK I didn't make it clear then at the time I admit.

OREO: Other Real Estate Owned.
OREO: Ok to Release per Executive Order.


Was that some kind of a signal from Fred?


So now another odd coincidence has revealed itself, revolving around the Rick Siegel 9/11 researchers 911movement.org operation, of which Fred is a significant part.


The former Deutsche Bank office building in NYC, is essential to define the 'line of sight' from the Ferry to the WTC. It is now being used by 911 investigators, of every stripe, to settle the controversy begun by BSreg Fred, about where the Hezarkhani 'ghost plane' video was really shot from, or as Fred claims, could not have been shot from.

On Sunday August 19th, that very building caught fire, and it is already scheduled for demolition supposedly because of EPA concerns. As of early Monday, 14 floors, had already been removed. Is this being sent to the memory hole by drastic means?


OREO: Other Real Estate Owned.
OREO: Ok to Release per Executive Order.


Oreos, Spies, and Iran War Propaganda.


Could the CIA be using Fred to build up a sh*t storm of allegations, about Hezarkhani's supposed Iranian terrorists connections, while at the same time implicating Carmen Taylor?

I believe the following video, narrated by Fred, is clearly CIA propaganda. It claims that Hezarkhani supports a terrorist group in IRAN. Just wait and see, how this operation in progress, will yield results enabling the next Figurehead In Chief to make a case for WAR on Iran.

Fred tries to disguise his voice, and yet he does a very poor job of it.

WATCH: IRAN WAR propaganda video narrated by BSreg Fred

Both Hezarkhani and Carmen Taylor, are likely CIA assets who are now being set up as patsies, as agency assets so often are. The CIA is helping the nWO make a case for WAR on IRAN.

The BSreg Fred generated disinfo and controversy, now surrounding the Hezarkhani video and Carmen Taylor's pictures, are apparently somehow an essential part of this operation. Perhaps, even important enough, for them to burn down the former Deutsche Bank office building in NYC.

Fred's latest video: Shock and Awe: CNN Fake is not Real


I wonder how all of this ties into the 2008 election? Somehow I just know it does. In fact a little white dove told me.

This post has been edited by Natasha: Aug 25 2007, 04:30 AM

[Factfinder Gener...]

Yes indeed, Fred... a cunning fox named Fred - Red Fox, Fox red, Fred.

Your intuition is powerful Nat. A challenge to take the picture - The Burning of the Bank.

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[Natasha]

Yes indeed, Fred... a cunning fox named Fred - Red Fox, Fox red, Fred.

Your intuition is powerful Nat.  A challenge to take the picture - The Burning of the Bank.

Why thank you you FFG. My 'intuition' comes from Jesus.

But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. - Jesus Christ John 14:26

I hope they kill me for this. I want to go home.

This post has been edited by Natasha: Aug 25 2007, 04:35 AM

[painter]

UPDATE
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Then again, the whole NPT theory could be a red hearing from the get go. So all this suggests one level of an operation but why not consider that it might have even deeper levels? What if the NPT has very little credibility to begin with and all this tempest in a tea-pot is to make it appear more credible than it is by making it appear that someone is trying to cover it up?

The NPT evidence remains inconclusive (except to those who espouse it religiously) and actually begs the question (quite literally) about the nature of evidence and the veracity of any "proof" that can be derived from it. To me, the whole question, beyond being merely inconclusive, is simply moot.

What is this all about, really, anyway? The corporate owned media doesn't have one scintilla of credibility -- whether the planes were faked or not is really quite beside the point, AFAIAC. Media, political parties, government, academic and professional organizations, the DoJ, the FBI, the military, religion, intelligence -- you name it -- except for a few extremely rare individuals NOT ONE INSTITUTION has come forward in favor of justice, integrity, transparency and truth. We now know that all of it, the entire edifice of civil society, is a fraud; that we live inside of a criminal empire where madmen can get away with treason, mass murder and war crimes in broad day light -- and most neither notice nor care.

You really think the NPT theory, whether it is true or false, is going to add one iota of credibility to the way we are perceived -- AND SPUN?

I'm still waiting to see conclusive proof that the NPT is anything more than a distraction to begin with and even if I should, I've yet to be told how it could possibly make any difference.

[Natasha]

Hi painter, (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


Well, I know for a fact, that the 911 conspiracy is never brought to light in the main stream. So you are right painter. It is a moot point. I agree.

This is so, because the Iran War, balloons to encompass the entire Persian Gulf. Soon also, upon the expansion of this war, shall Russia and China both move against the US led coalition. Russia, from the north, shall take strong action even seizing Turkey in it's power. China shall send many ships, and from beneath shall the red dragon spring. Then will all doubts about directed energy weapons, be laid to rest, as the US Neocons strike back with fire from heaven. As it is written in Revelation chapter 13. Then great unrest, will grip the USA within, and many soldiers shall be returned, from South America to impose order. The land, shall be made desolate, where the lambs once frolicked freely, and peace imposed will destroy many.

[painter]

<s>
The land, shall be made desolate, where the lambs once frolicked freely, and peace imposed will destroy many.

I think you need to get some rest -- and some quality time away from these forums and all these suspicions, fears and expectations of doom. The story in which we are enmeshed is far older than we know and finding our way out of it to a new level of understanding is, I believe, our only hope. Your Trinity avatar and the "Matrix" metaphor are appropriate in many respects; indeed, anyone can be an "agent." All it takes is the ability to repeat what one has accepted as truth.

There is a way out but it lies in an altogether different direction. Ask Michael Traversser.

[Natasha]

Ronald Wilson Reagan, dismissed by the arrogant left as a harmless senile old man, went out and destroyed the world anyway.

Meanwhile his immediate successor ....

"And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men," Revelation 13:13


read my brief essay Notice when Totse copyrighted it for me. I actually wrote it in 2001 though.

[Natasha]

<s>
The land, shall be made desolate, where the lambs once frolicked freely, and peace imposed will destroy many.

I think you need to get some rest -- and some quality time away from these forums and all these suspicions, fears and expectations of doom. The story in which we are enmeshed is far older than we know and finding our way out of it to a new level of understanding is, I believe, our only hope. Your Trinity avatar and the "Matrix" metaphor are appropriate in many respects; indeed, anyone can be an "agent." All it takes is the ability to repeat what one has accepted as truth.

There is a way out but it lies in an altogether different direction. Ask Michael Traversser.

Painter what has gotten into you? OK. So you dislike my beliefs. You really shouldn't infer that I am an agent over it. Why are your beliefs ... the right beliefs? Why are you making all these assumptions, and even insinuating that I am guilty of some sort of political heresy?

I was absent from the forum all day. I was here just a few times very briefly. I had a nice long nap today, it being my Saturday, and I am not overtired. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Must I be "crazy" because we have different perspectives? Isn't that what religious zealots do? Accuse those with different beliefs of such things?

Come on now painter.



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This post has been edited by Natasha: Aug 25 2007, 05:55 AM

[Factfinder Gener...]

I'm still waiting to see conclusive proof that the NPT is anything more than a distraction to begin with and even if I should, I've yet to be told how it could possibly make any difference.

Hi, painter old chap. I take it from this that you weren't impressed by my "irrefutable proof" or maybe you haven't viewed it yet. Its up on its own thread just like you all asked. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

You ponder what difference it makes whether NPT is true or not?

here's a point:

IF it is true they have you well and truly fooled. Such power they wield that can befuddle such intelligent men such as we. If they fooled you on this one (and I'm still saying if, before you accuse me of being condescending or disrespectful or whatever) what else might they have you fooled over?

Speaking from experience, when I first realized they had me fooled (it was a long time ago and the psyop was of a different kind than 911 but just as evil) it was like a light turning on. I started realizing all kinds of illusions that they had fooled me into accepting and that were leading me down their garden path.

Here's a little factoid. Take the word Freedom. Bush has us fighting a war for this word. The post 911 wars are Wars for Freedom! And we think we know what it means: autonomy basically. OK, but since when have any of us truly had autonomy? Hmm, let's look up the etymology for the word Freedom: I could tell you not to bother. It's odds on that won't take you very far, though most will be satisfied. Let's do it any way for the heck of it.

"Freedom O.E. freodom (see free). Freedom-rider recorded 1961, in ref. to civil rights activists in U.S. trying to integrate bus lines." (Online Etymology Dictionary)

You see what I mean. Hardly an in depth account, would you not agree? The crafters of the etymology are holding something back, methinks. "So what? It's just a word" I hear someone say, (not necessarily you.)

What a word though, when one discovers what it really means, at root level, and what they really mean by it, "they" meaning the ones that have us fighting for it (and also the ones that govern such things as etymologys).

You see they headed us off at the Old English pass in the Online Etymology Dict.. Most etymologys will. English though has a sizeable Latin foundation, surely. The Latin then might take us back further.

Well the Old English Free or Frae comes from the latin Frater which means brother. (Hence Friar as in Firiar Tuck, Fra, Frere, Fraternal etc.) Dom is an abbreviation of dominatus meaning domain (remarkably similar there) or tyranny which amounts to the same thing (how does one rule over a domain? Through Tyranny of course. Don't believe me, then try ruling one without it). So we have Brother and Domain or more colloquially Hood (i.e.as in the "Hood") which stems from Head or Ruler. See how it all links?

So Free Dom is really a code word for the Brother Hood. Now do you see? This is a War for the Brotherhood. We are defending the Brotherhood.

And of course here, it also becomes clear why they were being so cagey about the etymology for the word in their Online Etymology Dict. (and it is theirs.)

Honestly, just like 911, nothing is as it seems. Planes arent really planes and Freedom isn't really Freedom.

I rarely use the word freedom anymore, since I found out it was a trick word of theirs. Autonomy is so much more descriptive of the state that I desire.

But then, you probably see all this as just another distraction that I'm spinning, just like my old NPT red herring.

But before I sign off let me check the Online Etymology Dict. for the word Autonomy - Just for fun:

"Autonomy 1623, from Gk. autonomia, noun of quality from autonomos "independent, living by one's own laws," from auto- "self" (comb. form) + nomos "custom, law" (see numismatics). Autonomous is recorded from 1800." (OED)

Well they didn't disguise the etymology of this word. Took it back to the Greek. What a better feeling I have about THIS word. Auto Nomy means Self Rule. They don't encourage the use of this word though.

I do.

If you followed my ramblings this far, I thank you for your indulgence,

later FfG.

This post has been edited by Factfinder General: Aug 25 2007, 11:50 AM

[u2r2h]

nice one.

auto nomos... greek is a great tool to deconstruct.

PAUSE (it's a greek word, too!)

NPT is a bit old and it remains to be seen if it breaks through into the mainstream.

In the COMMON PERSON's perception NOPLANE (if proven) is really powerful.

Someone pointed out the equasion correctly:

no-plane = no-fuel to melt the steel = big problem

no-plane = no-fuel to melt the steel = big problem

jet fuel = can't melt steel = no problem (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/cheers.gif)

[p.w.rapp]

no-plane = no-fuel to melt the steel = big problem

jet fuel = can't melt steel = no problem (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/cheers.gif)

(IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/yes1.gif)





I've just read the last posts here after I replied to FfG in his Chopper4 thread

The point IMO is exactly that:
the planes are the central feature in the whole 9/11 psyop. If there was an irrefutable proof i.e. for no (big) plane hitting WTCII, the official narrative would collapse like a house of cards.


@Natasha
Nobody dislikes your believes. Can't see, where painter said he does.

I'll put it the Austrian way:
More evidence and less religion (and etymology - @FfG)

IMO B) Zap

[Factfinder Gener...]

no-plane = no-fuel to melt the steel = big problem

jet fuel = can't melt steel = no problem (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/cheers.gif)

No problem for you BoneZ. You know they are lying and seek to do something about it. You are not the issue. You most definitely are not the Common Man. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Which is who the Brotherhood of the Hidden Hand (BOTHH) seek to control, i.e. "The Masses."

No Plane = No Fuel To Melt Steel = Need For General Public To Accept Demolition as Fact = Big Problem for the Hidden Hand

Context is everything. There is no relevance without it. NPT (as it defines the initiating event) provides the context for 911, BTW. IMHO, BTW. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Who are the BOTHH?

(IMG:http://www.deepspace4.com/pages/answers/theoddfellows/images/theoddfellows2.jpg)

Who indeed.

But all these guys are making the gesture of the Mano Cornuto (the Horned Hand): An ancient, ancient salute to Cronus, the Horned One.

Cronus which is linked etymologically to Horns and which is also why Rulers wear Crowns, or Coronets.

Cronus also links to Chronology (Saturn, Old Father Time - and what is the word Saturn linked to do you imagine?) because Timing is EVERYTHING, my friend. How much do you think we have left?

(IMG:http://www.voccoquan.com/images%202007/bush%20bird%20queen.jpg)

Talk about a "Hidden Hand" salute. Blatant! But then Dubya is soooo Blatant.

[Factfinder Gener...]

I'll put it the Austrian way:
More evidence and less religion (and etymology - @FfG)

Didn't catch this before I sent my last post which, unfortunately is riddled with etymology. Oops.

But do you really see the true understanding of significant terms as irrelevant? Do you really not want to know, or at least obtain some clue as to what we are all being asked to fight for?

"And it's 1, 2, 3 what are we fighting for? Oh, I don't give a damn, about Vietnam..."

Do you remember that ditty?

This post has been edited by Factfinder General: Aug 25 2007, 12:48 PM

[Natasha]

@Natasha

Nobody dislikes your believes. Can't see, where painter said he does.

I'll put it the Austrian way:
More evidence and less religion (and etymology - @FfG)

IMO B)  Zap

Gday Zapzarap and all, (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I wont be here to answer questions today, and yet I had to offer this.


The entire world is being very rapidly remade, and both faith and religion bear great relevance to both how and why the nWO now remakes the entire world. The 911 wars are about more than oil and domestic politics. Let me offer my evidence for that statement.

Every institution that has previously existed, is being rapidly changed, or are already done away with entirely.

Now given the obvious imperfections, of injustice and inequality, so long existing. One may think any change is good. It is clear however, that those who are now remaking our world, have not only retained long standing evils, but they do cunningly employ them with deft skill, having even greatly "improved" upon said evils to advance their agenda.

Today some may have noticed, as FFG pointed out, that even the common lexicon is made of words few really even understand the true meaning of, and worse still, their true meaning, has even been obscured by design. Now if you think that is bad, you should see what they are teaching your children, in schools of every type both public and private the last two decades.

Few seem to notice, that there has emerged a terrible intolerance, for religious belief of any kind. It is no longer the wiser among us, who merely decry the distortion of truth and misuse of faith by institutionalized religion, as a weapon of The State, who rightly point out that very thing. Not any longer. Now even any sort of faith in God is widely regarded as mental illness. Now to have even any good faith, outside of organized religion, is regarded as foolishness, a delusion, mental illness, and even far worse, those who have faith, are now regarded as THE problem and what is wrong with the world.

Now as FFG has begun to show us, those who are behind this all encompassing paradigm shift, are themselves men and women of faith. Yet their faith, is of by and for, an entirely different god, and though before in secret and shadows this god has long been worshipped, now we see that his worshippers have become the new orthodoxy and weapon of The State.

Those who now say that we remaining faithful, to The God of our fathers, should be silent about our faith, do unknowingly, I do so hope, conform to the new paradigm. The new paradigm which is really a dark faith of fear, intolerance, hate and war, commonly exchanging light for darkness and truth for lies, has at it's very core great enmity for our God. Now we His remaining children, dispersed among many lands, are being warred against as the few remaining autonomous nations are swallowed up, by the cruel beast of a Global State of sheer tyranny.

I for one will not remain silent on this. How can those who claim to espouse open discourse, rational, free unbiased scientific pondering and musings, really with a straight face rule out such thought expressions as mine, FFG's and others, whenever faith is touched upon? Is not the very presumption that such as we do somehow wrongly, offending "acceptable" ideas, really but a clear manifestation of the new definition of heresy, within the new religious orthodoxy?

Go also to my signature, and then hit the link to my Youtube channel to see more on this.

Have a great day everybody. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[p.w.rapp]

...k

FfG you obviousely didn't get my message in "the Austrian way".

Don't blame you.

I'll try again, answering your questions:

But do you really see the true understanding of significant terms as irrelevant? Do you really not want to know, or at least obtain some clue as to what we are all being asked to fight for?
"And it's 1, 2, 3 what are we fighting for? Oh, I don't give a damn, about Vietnam..."
Do you remember that ditty?

1) I might remember the song when I could hear the melody.
2) I allways question, what I am fighting for, but I can't see the connection to this discussion about NPT.
3) Yes, I do see the 'true understanding of significant terms' and hidden salutes as irrelevant, when it comes to researching the crime of the century and proving for instance, that flight UA175 didn't hit WTCII.

I say again: such proof would be shattering the official narrative, as the planes are the central feature of THEIR psyop.

[Natasha]

They could be made to accept the most flagrant violations of reality ... and were not sufficiently interested in public events to notice what was happening. George Orwell - "1984"


Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand. - The Prophet Daniel, Daniel 12:10