Plane Crash In New York State, 9/11 victim's wife aboard. |
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 Feb 13 2009, 08:43 AM
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I am not about to hypothesise but others here may be able to fill in any blanks:
Plane crash in NY state kills 49 - BBC |
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Feb 14 2009, 07:02 PM
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At 2300 feet heading 2-6-0 3407 was instructed to contact tower 120.5. Everything seemed fine at that point. No indications of the slightest emergency or concern of ice unlike CACTUS 1452 which was the most vocal about ice build up or RIME ice.
Delta 1998 was instructed to look for 3407 out the right side window but I guess sinceDelta was flying IMC that it wouldn't be possible to spot them? So the Delta pilot indicated he didn't see anything on TCAS either which is Traffic Collision Avoidance System that works by transponder that alerts pilots of other aircraft in their vicinity. Would TCAS work at 5 miles out? Delta 1998 was flying IMC which stands for Instrument Meteorological Conditions, also known as 'blind flying' at 2,300 feet. VFR stands for Visual Flight Rules which permits the pilot to fly by site if conditions permit. Well I'm still asking, what happened to 3407 at 2,300 feet? Even if the ice presented a problem, why no last communications? At that elevation there seems to have been plenty of time for a pilot to contact the tower. It will be interesting to find out whats on that blackbox if it's found and intact. Or more interesting what's not on it. This post has been edited by Trismagistus: Feb 14 2009, 07:04 PM |
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Omega892R09 Plane Crash In New York State Feb 13 2009, 08:43 AM
DoYouEverWonder The wish of a 9/11 widow
Posted 12/5/04
A member ... Feb 13 2009, 09:11 AM Ricochet The lawsuit was not about money, it was for accoun... Feb 13 2009, 11:54 AM JFK ATC Audio - http://event.liveatc.net/kbuf/KBUF-Feb... Feb 13 2009, 12:49 PM jo56 One of Buffalo crash victims met with Obama earlie... Feb 13 2009, 02:13 PM grizz A little more information:
Beverly Eckert, Bereav... Feb 13 2009, 02:31 PM grizz Voices of September 11
My Silence Cannot Be Bo... Feb 13 2009, 03:20 PM painter I must say, this is all bloody suspicious coming o... Feb 13 2009, 04:32 PM
datars QUOTE (painter @ Feb 10 2009, 12:32 PM) I... Feb 15 2009, 11:52 PM Ricochet Final communications.
Source. http://network.natio... Feb 13 2009, 04:54 PM Graeme QUOTE (Ricochet @ Feb 13 2009, 08:54 PM) ... Feb 18 2009, 06:34 PM rob balsamo The above transcript has alot of errors. For those... Feb 13 2009, 05:46 PM rob balsamo ILS 23 KBUF (pdf) Feb 13 2009, 05:55 PM paranoia http://www.colganair.com/
http://www.colganair.com... Feb 13 2009, 06:39 PM paranoia a list of some of the others onboard the plane:
... Feb 13 2009, 06:47 PM paranoia just saw this posted by SmokingGunz over at LCF:
... Feb 13 2009, 08:08 PM Trismagistus I'm neither a pilot or an activist, but a rese... Feb 13 2009, 09:34 PM JFK http://www.buffalonews.com/home/story/578574.html
... Feb 13 2009, 10:01 PM kgray1 QUOTE (JFK @ Feb 13 2009, 09:01 PM) http:... Mar 20 2009, 02:57 AM amazed! Another one bites the dust...Too Bad.
I guess it ... Feb 13 2009, 10:58 PM Trismagistus I watched the news tonight. They are missing the o... Feb 13 2009, 11:26 PM rob balsamo Colgan 3407 Air Traffic Control Audio and Transcri... Feb 13 2009, 11:56 PM Graeme ATC Audio provided by www.liveatc.net. Transcript ... Aug 1 2010, 12:40 PM starviego Here is more evidence that engine failure, not pil... Oct 6 2010, 12:09 AM Graeme QUOTE (starviego @ Oct 6 2010, 04:09 AM) ... Nov 11 2010, 12:59 PM starviego You can access the documents here:
http://www.nts... Nov 17 2010, 12:39 PM Graeme QUOTE (starviego @ Nov 17 2010, 04:39 PM)... Nov 24 2010, 11:57 AM Graeme QUOTE (starviego @ Nov 17 2010, 04:39 PM)... Nov 24 2010, 12:32 PM rob balsamo 44 guests logged onto this thread currently. Welco... Feb 14 2009, 12:57 AM painter Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7890455.... Feb 14 2009, 06:38 PM captsly NOTE WHAT IS SAID AT 31 MINUTES AND ZERO SECONDS..... Feb 14 2009, 07:37 PM JFK QUOTE (captsly @ Feb 14 2009, 06:37 PM) N... Feb 14 2009, 07:47 PM rob balsamo Welcome to the forum captsly.
Please try to post... Feb 14 2009, 07:46 PM captsly QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Feb 14 2009, 06:46 P... Feb 14 2009, 11:29 PM captsly QUOTE (captsly @ Feb 14 2009, 10:29 PM) s... Feb 14 2009, 11:46 PM DoYouEverWonder NYT - In Plane Crash, Loss of Momentum Still a Mys... Feb 14 2009, 09:55 PM albertchampion when i was flying my baron, icing was the scariest... Feb 15 2009, 01:57 AM amazed! Having never flown the Dash 8, it's a safe bet... Feb 15 2009, 11:47 AM Trismagistus In reading the last few posts Im in agreement and ... Feb 15 2009, 02:15 PM KP50 QUOTE (Trismagistus @ Feb 16 2009, 07:15 ... Feb 15 2009, 04:21 PM Omega892R09 QUOTE (KP50 @ Feb 13 2009, 07:21 PM) I wa... Feb 15 2009, 06:17 PM DoYouEverWonder QUOTE Fatal US plane 'was on autopilot'
... Feb 15 2009, 06:34 PM nitatutt The local weather was odd on the 12th.
We are al... Feb 15 2009, 07:35 PM albertchampion there are many incorrect aspects of this flight re... Feb 15 2009, 08:48 PM richard cranium The ABC affiliate here in southern California keep... Feb 15 2009, 09:26 PM albertchampion the "on" autopilot aspect of this story ... Feb 15 2009, 10:07 PM JFK A cockpit view of the Q-400 from bombardier - http... Feb 16 2009, 12:41 AM rob balsamo Steve Nieman is one of our core members and is a C... Feb 16 2009, 01:28 AM JFK QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Feb 16 2009, 12:28 A... Feb 16 2009, 10:12 AM rob balsamo QUOTE (JFK @ Feb 16 2009, 09:12 AM) You a... Feb 16 2009, 11:38 AM JFK QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Feb 16 2009, 10:38 A... Feb 16 2009, 12:00 PM paranoia im far from anything even remotely close to being ... Feb 16 2009, 03:37 AM rob balsamo Although i hate to do this prior to seeing a repor... Feb 16 2009, 04:18 AM paranoia QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Feb 16 2009, 03:18 A... Feb 17 2009, 01:05 AM rob balsamo Found these on another board....
QUOTE METARS for... Feb 16 2009, 04:44 AM datars Good Post!!! Nice input from everyone.... Feb 16 2009, 11:19 AM amazed! This is a classic stall/spin accident, with severa... Feb 16 2009, 04:06 PM paranoia ETA: some wreckage that survived:
(one of the ... Feb 17 2009, 01:22 AM rob balsamo Saw the vid.... interesting... thanks. Feb 17 2009, 01:40 AM Omega892R09 For those interested in Buffalo/Niagara airport de... Feb 17 2009, 12:49 PM grizz Welcome to Pilots! Feb 18 2009, 06:44 PM Graeme QUOTE (grizz @ Feb 18 2009, 10:44 PM) We... Feb 18 2009, 07:01 PM painter Wow. Yes, welcome to the forum Graeme Feb 18 2009, 07:02 PM rob balsamo ILS Approach plate for KBUF Runway 23.
QUOTE (rob ... Feb 18 2009, 07:18 PM Leslie Landry FSB reports are stating today that American fascis... Mar 1 2009, 11:02 PM Leslie Landry for some reason..it wont let me post the rest of t... Mar 1 2009, 11:13 PM Cheri It is said that flying is safer than driving...wit... Mar 1 2009, 11:16 PM amazed! Quite a web you weave LL. Fascinating stuff.
If ... Mar 1 2009, 11:19 PM grizz Well, if we're going to invoke Sorcha Faal, I... Mar 1 2009, 11:45 PM Cheri I find it interesting that out of a group of 911 t... Mar 1 2009, 11:51 PM rob balsamo Preliminary is out from NTSB. Not much as expected... Mar 2 2009, 12:33 AM Graeme QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Mar 2 2009, 05:33 AM... Apr 3 2009, 03:52 PM dMole A belated hello and welcome Graeme. Mar 2 2009, 12:53 AM albertchampion yes, i suppose a sudden flat spin of only downward... Mar 2 2009, 02:19 AM amazed! Grizz
I am skeptical of the blog you offered. It... Mar 2 2009, 10:51 AM grizz QUOTE (amazed! @ Mar 2 2009, 06:51 AM... Mar 2 2009, 10:58 AM amazed! Thanks Grizz. Mar 2 2009, 11:12 AM rob balsamo Welcome kgray!
By the way folks.. be nice to ... Mar 20 2009, 03:01 AM kgray1 QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Mar 20 2009, 02:01 A... Mar 20 2009, 03:04 AM rob balsamo QUOTE (kgray1 @ Mar 20 2009, 03:04 AM) Th... Mar 20 2009, 03:14 AM dMole Hello and welcome kgray1. I'm sorry to hear o... Mar 20 2009, 03:04 AM rob balsamo QUOTE NTSB Advisory
National Transportation Safet... Apr 28 2009, 12:17 AM Ricochet Flight 3407 and swine flu connection. FWIW.
http:/... Apr 28 2009, 02:03 PM paranoia "Buffalo crash: Pilots acted 'just opposi... May 12 2009, 11:45 PM albertchampion it is an odd transcript of the cvr.
and the propo... May 14 2009, 12:33 AM Graeme I see that NTSB are publishing on 3407 already, I ... May 14 2009, 08:23 PM Graeme Please analyse and reply with your informed knowle... May 14 2009, 09:30 PM albertchampion you are correct about one aspect of this: the alac... May 14 2009, 09:30 PM DoYouEverWonder QUOTE (albertchampion @ May 14 2009, 09:3... May 14 2009, 09:44 PM rob balsamo Unfortunately i missed this when it was published ... Jul 29 2009, 01:48 AM rob balsamo Colgan Landing Stall Profile
http://www.ntsb.gov/... Jul 29 2009, 02:13 AM paranoia just wanted to add this overlooked coincedence/iro... Feb 8 2010, 12:34 AM starviego If you read the reports of the witnesses on the gr... Apr 8 2010, 01:11 AM Graeme QUOTE (starviego @ Apr 8 2010, 06:11 AM) ... Jul 28 2010, 05:36 PM truthmatters I watched the video of the animation. At first I w... Jul 29 2010, 10:18 PM amazed! I'm guessing you're not a pilot, and thus ... Nov 25 2010, 12:09 PM Graeme QUOTE (amazed! @ Nov 25 2010, 04:09 P... Nov 29 2010, 12:55 PM Graeme I just figured out another reason why I felt a str... Nov 30 2010, 02:10 PM starviego The names of 48 of the 50 dead victims were releas... Dec 1 2010, 10:01 AM
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