Pentagon Lawn Images, Chronological order Options

[kawika]

Hi Kawika,

Yeah see these shots from an earlier post. The first was allegedly taken within a few minutes from the explosion, the second within 20 minutes (hi res version of the image in that link)

http://criticalthrash.com/terror/P1010015.JPG

http://www.dodmedia.osd.mil/Assets/Still/2...D-02-03886.JPEG

Composite:

http://img718.imageshack.us/i/forklift2.png/

My apologies, mate, I missed the earlier one. Didn't recognize it as pre-collapse. So here is the bigger version with a highlighted forklift.

(IMG:http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/4936/forkbefore.jpg)

Clearly before collapse. Forklift laying down.

[IslandPilot]

Mr. Forklift truck is lying down after after his hard work:

Look carefully at these next two pictures:
First one: (IMG:http://i.imgur.com/X8mYb.jpg)

Mr. Forklift is sleeping quietly just to the left of the cameraman coming toward us next to the fire truck. The Forklift's "propane" tank is just below the cameraman's right elbow. The forklift is lying on its side, with its "forks" pointed toward the Left (North). I'm sure you can see him now.

OK, now please look at all that "debris" spread out on the Helipad in front of us. All of the pieces having a "long" cross-section" are "aligned" "Left to Right" or more accurately parallel to each other in a North- South orientation. (roughly). "Long" cross section; means these parts have a much greater "LONGER" longitudinal axis than their "width" or "girth".

The tree "twig" in the middle of the Helipad's "H" marking, is a very good example of this alignment. Notice that the twig has 3 leaves attached still attached to it, on its RIGHT side. Those "twigs" are similar to the "feathers" on an "arrow" are they not? That "twig" resolves for us the fact that ALL of those "aligned" pieces of debris on the Helipad were "propelled" across the Helipad from the RIGHT side to the Left side, ie in a NORTHERLY direction.... and maybe slightly TOWARD the building. Keep this in mind...

Also please note: the TREE to the RIGHT of the "station wagon" that is now sticking out of (or into?) the ground floor window there. How did THAT happen?? I have not been able to see the "gurney" being referred to yet. Also, please note the "cages" of compressed gas cylinders next to the RIGHT of the "tree in the window". I hope you are following this so far:

On to the next picture:
(IMG:http://www.dodmedia.osd.mil/Assets/Still/2002/Marines/DM-SD-02-03905.JPEG)

Here it is very easy to see the "Arrow Twig" with the three leaves right in front of us toward the lower right side. And this photo does a better job showing the North-South alignment of the "Longish" pieces of "debris".

Now as you "scroll" to the left along the Helipad, you can see the parallel "alignment" pattern of the debris, especially when you are looking at the yellow/green fire hose.

On the very far left side of this image, we can see where some of this Northward moving debris "IMPACTED" the side of the HELIPAD CONTROL TOWER BUILDING, hard enough to penetrate its facade, especially up at the roofline at the rain gutter!

Now come back toward the middle of this image, and look at the tree above the guy with the white pants... a very good sized branch of that tree has been "separated" (blasted?) away from it's attachment to the tree, toward the Left by a strong "force"... and it remains hanging between the branches, "downstream" from its former position.

Also please examine the RIGHT side of the fire truck to the Left of that tree. All kinds of "sticky dirt" and "stuff" has also "impacted" the "driver's side" of that vehicle, and remains clinging to it.

Some very "significant" force, not related to an airplane "impact" caused all that "sh**t to move violently toward the NORTH, and I don't think we can blame Mr. Fkn Forklift for that!

I still don't see the "gurney".

But its St. Patty's day... and the girls are already out drinking. One of em, "our Singer" came over from the mainland. She's single, and pretty decent looking... so it might be time for a little "band practice" tonight. So, bye for now, I got "better" things to do...

[kawika]

LETS LOOK AT THE WINDOW BLINDS

We see a lot of what appears to be window blind material blasted onto the lawn north of the heliport.

(IMG:http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/4549/route27fromlawn.jpg)

Here we can see some of it still hanging inside a window frame.

(IMG:http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/2218/blinds.jpg)


Facts:

1. The windows in this area were recently retrofitted to withstand blasts.
2. Blasts from inside to outside would have to be very robust to defeat these windows.
3. We see window blinds out on the lawn, many feet from the windows.

What kind of INCOMING aircraft causes blast resistant windows to BLOW OUTWARD?

Isn't this one more indication that the explosive event that occurred there was an INTERIOR event?

[23investigator]

Mr. Forklift truck is lying down after after his hard work:

Look carefully at these next two pictures:
First one: (IMG:http://i.imgur.com/X8mYb.jpg)

Mr. Forklift is sleeping quietly just to the left of the cameraman coming toward us next to the fire truck. The Forklift's "propane" tank is just below the cameraman's right elbow. The forklift is lying on its side, with its "forks" pointed toward the Left (North). I'm sure you can see him now.

OK, now please look at all that "debris" spread out on the Helipad in front of us. All of the pieces having a "long" cross-section" are "aligned" "Left to Right" or more accurately parallel to each other in a North- South orientation. (roughly). "Long" cross section; means these parts have a much greater "LONGER" longitudinal axis than their "width" or "girth".

The tree "twig" in the middle of the Helipad's "H" marking, is a very good example of this alignment. Notice that the twig has 3 leaves attached still attached to it, on its RIGHT side. Those "twigs" are similar to the "feathers" on an "arrow" are they not? That "twig" resolves for us the fact that ALL of those "aligned" pieces of debris on the Helipad were "propelled" across the Helipad from the RIGHT side to the Left side, ie in a NORTHERLY direction.... and maybe slightly TOWARD the building. Keep this in mind...

Also please note: the TREE to the RIGHT of the "station wagon" that is now sticking out of (or into?) the ground floor window there. How did THAT happen?? I have not been able to see the "gurney" being referred to yet. Also, please note the "cages" of compressed gas cylinders next to the RIGHT of the "tree in the window". I hope you are following this so far:

On to the next picture:
(IMG:http://www.dodmedia.osd.mil/Assets/Still/2002/Marines/DM-SD-02-03905.JPEG)

Here it is very easy to see the "Arrow Twig" with the three leaves right in front of us toward the lower right side. And this photo does a better job showing the North-South alignment of the "Longish" pieces of "debris".

Now as you "scroll" to the left along the Helipad, you can see the parallel "alignment" pattern of the debris, especially when you are looking at the yellow/green fire hose.

On the very far left side of this image, we can see where some of this Northward moving debris "IMPACTED" the side of the HELIPAD CONTROL TOWER BUILDING, hard enough to penetrate its facade, especially up at the roofline at the rain gutter!

Now come back toward the middle of this image, and look at the tree above the guy with the white pants... a very good sized branch of that tree has been "separated" (blasted?) away from it's attachment to the tree, toward the Left by a strong "force"... and it remains hanging between the branches, "downstream" from its former position.

Also please examine the RIGHT side of the fire truck to the Left of that tree. All kinds of "sticky dirt" and "stuff" has also "impacted" the "driver's side" of that vehicle, and remains clinging to it.

Some very "significant" force, not related to an airplane "impact" caused all that "sh**t to move violently toward the NORTH, and I don't think we can blame Mr. Fkn Forklift for that!

I still don't see the "gurney".

But its St. Patty's day... and the girls are already out drinking. One of em, "our Singer" came over from the mainland. She's single, and pretty decent looking... so it might be time for a little "band practice" tonight. So, bye for now, I got "better" things to do...

Dear Islandpilot.

I do hope you survive the "Irish Festivities".
Your eyes may be even sharper, as a result, hehe.

There is no doubt that a good bit of material was heading in a generally northern direction.

There is another photograph that was posted just recently, that showed a 'gentleman' with a strong resemblance to a 'forklift driver' propped up against a wall, not looking in the best of health.

I don't think he was on the forklift at the time of the explosion, nor for that matter do I think the forklift was at the location it is tipped over at, at the time of the explosion.

But photographs do show a lot of stuff was moved around very quickly after the initial explosions.
Including some fairly heavy stuff by the firetruck you make mention of.

It would be good for some one to catchup with the 'forklift driver', and find out who was giving him his orders, and what stuff he was ordered to move around, until he overdid it and went 'arse up'.

Regards

Robert

[23investigator]

LETS LOOK AT THE WINDOW BLINDS

We see a lot of what appears to be window blind material blasted onto the lawn north of the heliport.

(IMG:http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/4549/route27fromlawn.jpg)

Here we can see some of it still hanging inside a window frame.

(IMG:http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/2218/blinds.jpg)


Facts:

1. The windows in this area were recently retrofitted to withstand blasts.
2. Blasts from inside to outside would have to be very robust to defeat these windows.
3. We see window blinds out on the lawn, many feet from the windows.



What kind of INCOMING aircraft causes blast resistant windows to BLOW OUTWARD?

Isn't this one more indication that the explosive event that occurred there was an INTERIOR event?

Dear Kawika.

The material you refer to as 'window blind material' is a similar looking material to the --tension ties-- used in the Global Hawk wing construction.
If wings near their extremity were being damaged on 'light poles' it is not beyond possibility the -- tension ties-- could have been ripped out of the wings, when the aircraft was on its way in to hit the building.
Plus with wings slamming into the building, they would have been spread every where, which could certainly account for the significant amount of --carbon composite-- material spread all over the place.
The wings of a Global Hawk are just about completely --cabon composite--.
With bits of fuel plumbing and small metal components to tie the outer wings to the central wing section, which contained more small metal components.
Which there are no shortage of lying around the place mixed in with the --carbon composite-- debris.

Regards

Robert

[IslandPilot]

Back to our friend Mr. forklift:
(IMG:http://i.imgur.com/9JLx0.jpg)
Here he lies after the collapse; BEHIND several massive CONCRETE blocks. Notice that Columns 18 and 19 are behind a bit of smoke, in that area.

I had originally assumed the CONCRETE blocks in front of the forklift came from the building, but they did NOT! And this picture clearly shows a row of "highway lane divider BLOCKS" in FRONT of both the Forklift and the Pentagon. Now if we "walk back in tme", to the right and further away from the building, prior to the collapse, we'll see this:
(IMG:http://www.dodmedia.osd.mil/Assets/Still/2002/Marines/DM-SD-02-03886.JPEG)
On the left side of this image, we see Mr. forklift BEHIND a low wall of those CONCRETE BARRIERS. This row of LOW LYING concrete barriers continues past the Column 18 and 19 "wing impact" columns.

Please NOTICE how this row of CONCRETE Barriers forms a very nice EXPLOSIVE BLAST WALL to direct the "energy" of "explosive material" toward the Pentagon wall. Please look at the area directly in front of columns 18 and 19. You can see where "something" is still burning beyond an area of the "blast wall" (or concrete curb) that is "missing" (due to the blast).

Now please refer back to the area between columns 18 and 19. You will see that there are NO WINDOWS between between those two columns, the stone work facade is "backed up" by TWO rows of brick reinforced with steel rods. However, ALL of this stonework has been "blasted" into the building interior, from an area BELOW the "wing impact" area...(where the so-called "wing" hasn't impacted yet).

Notice how the steel beam above the first floor between Columns 18 and 19 has been broken and severly distorted. Please notice also how all the 1st floor columns to the left of the Column 18/19 "epicenter" are "leaning" severly to the right from the "blast" (sorry, I don't have ANY other way to describe what I SEE here!). Notice also it is BOTTOM of these columns that has been most severly "displaced" from something much LOWER than the level of a B-757 wing.

To "seal the deal"; and to "prove" that Mr. Forklift is "innocent" of any crime, please look more closely at the brick reinforcement area between columns 18 and 19:
(IMG:http://i.imgur.com/CZ3hx.jpg)
(Note: The item I previously referred to as a "steel beam" is missing from this photo and may have been a piece of "flashing"; but that doesn't matter; this image still shows what we need to look at.)

Please notice how the brickwork at the top of the 2nd floor is still firmly attached to both columns 18 and 19. However the brickwork below it at the BOTTOM of the 2nd floor has been "DISPLACED" in an UPWARD direction, and is now partially BEHIND the attached UPPER section of brickwork.

You can see the steel reinforcing rods that pass both vertically and horizontally between the TWO layers of reinforcing brickwork. In addition, there are other photos that clearly show the GROOVES in the columns that were designed to hold the brickwork firmly in place.

Bottom line:
Some "strange force" (BLAST?) from BELOW THE FIRST FLOOR, outside the building, caused the lower section of 2nd floor brickwork to MOVE UPWARD, and BEHIND the upper section of brickwork.

As Defense Attorney for Mr. Forklift; I have established many reasonable doubts in the case against my "client". It appears that "explosive" devices placed low against concrete barrier, may have caused most of the Pentagon damage, and also KNOCKED the wheels out from under my client, as he has stated to me. I demand that Mr. Forklift be released immediately! (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/varoom.gif)

[IslandPilot]

OSS: Your dimentional anylsis and conclusions in post #79 are EXCELLENT! I agree entirely. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/salute.gif)

A few further notes:
As I have now "discovered" those concrete barriers between the Pentagon Lawn and the building, I think you can safely "subtract" another 2 ft. from the "negative clearance" between parts of "aircraft structure" and "objects" in the vicinity of the Pentagon. I estimate those barriers to be about 3 feet high. To me, it appears that the Pentagon "Floor" may be 2 feet or more BELOW the level of the LAWN in that area.

Mr. Forklift is a "good sized" machine, and won't overturn too easily. I think he is bigger than a "size 50" Nissan machine, and meant for "outdoor" work. Why? Because you can see, in some pictures how his front wheels extend beyond the width of the machine, which I do not see in the smaller models.

Also, there is a significant portion of the rear "counterweight" behind the fuel tank. (The whole aft end of a forklift, is contained within a massive "counterweight" casting.) He is a "big guy", and I would say he has the larger "pneumatic tires" for outdoor work, even though I couldn't find an "exact" example for that Year, Make, and Model. The size 50 machine, earlier in these pages is "close". It still will not be very much wider than 4 Feet, and at least 6 to 8 ft tall.

I think my previous post pretty much rules out any "aerodynamic" device (Airplane and/or the "M" word) at the Pentagon. I believe there were a "series" of "kinetic energy devices" at the Pentagon.

1) There was the "initial" explosive "event", "recorded" by the parking lot cam at the claimed TIME of "aircraft impact". (ground level explosion directed toward front of Pentagon.)

2) The initial "impact event" did not cause a widespread fire, and it was soon mostly extinguished. Something else happened prior to the collapse to "spread" a lot of "burning, flaming, stuff" across the face of the building. I have NO IDEA what "NAPALM" really looks like, but what I see after the fire is mostly out, surely looks like some kind of "sticky" burning stuff, suddenly being distributed across the NORTH face of the building. But this distributation of "new" fire goes way too far North to be believeable.
Also, please notice the pictures of the interior of the "collapse" area... there is NO FIRE DAMAGE to those offices. Paper and wood items inside the building remain intact, while STONE and GLASS areas of the northern EXTERIOR part of the building is engulfed in flames. How does that happen??

2) At a later time, "something else" happened to "initiate" the collapse. This would be pretty "easy", because there are no "attachments" of the floor beams to the columns on the Left side of the "collapse" area. The building appears to be constructed in "separate" segments at that "break". I suspect the area immediately to the LEFT (North) side of Column 19 is of similar construction... with the "solid brickwork" (no windows) sections to make the connection between separate "freestanding building segments".

3) A "breaching device" was used for the "exit" hole in the 3rd ring... It could have been a completely "separate" event. Access to that area is so severly limited, it didn't have to be synchronized to any other "event".

4) Sometime around the time of the Collapse, or "whatever caused" the collapse, caused "stuff" to be distributed "outside the building", in front of it.

5) A similar "Fourth of July" fireworks show was also staged further to the south, in the area of the trailers and Genset. IMO.

Also relating to Mr. Forklift... although I feel that a "blast" may have "overturned" him. (blast from below in front of him, or blast/collapse from above on the "building side" of him; could be either/or). It is unlikely, yet "possible" that Mr. Forklift was deliberatly overturned, and then explosives could have been placed "under" him. His heavy MASS might help to direct explosive energy. I would like to take a look at him. I wonder where my "client" is today, next to LLoyd's Taxi, maybe?

[IslandPilot]

I have many "problems" with this next picture also.
It is a view of the Pentagon roof with the "Springfiend" crane in it.
I'm going to be mindful of Rob's "site bandwidth" here, so I'll post only the Link.
If OSS can look at it and do some of his excellent "cropping" and "assembling" stuff, I'd appreciate it.

Look at this aerial view of the Pentagon roof: Pentagon roof and Springfield crane Straight from the DOD, so you know its "valid": http://www.defense.gov/DODCMSShare/NewsPho...F-8006R-002.jpg
I'd like to look at 3 things so far:
Item 1)
In the upper left portion of this photo, in the Forth Ring ("D" Ring) OPPOSITE the "Aircraft EXIT hole" in the "C Ring" we can see THREE DAMAGED and boarded up windows, on the FIFTH FLOOR. If the "nose" of an aircraft caused the "exit hole" on the inner wall of the C Ring, WHAT CAUSED THOSE WINDOWS TO BREAK?? ALL of the ENERGY from the alledged "aircraft", and ALL of its MASS and ALL its MOMENTUM were "supposedly" contained within the Pentagon's FIRST floor.

This means the ENTIRE MOMENTUM of whatever "aircraft part" that "created" the "exit hole" was DIRECTED, and FOCUSED in a HORIZONTAL DIRECTION PARALLEL to the FIRST FLOOR, PERIOD. If this is what really happened, the "exit hole material" would have been ACCELERATED, ONLY in a HORIZONTAL direction, and (in theory), NO PIECE of the "exit hole" or "aircraft part" could have been able to strike any part of the outer D ring wall, above the level of the FIRST FLOOR!

Any "impact" from the INTERIOR at the "C ring exit hole" cannot provide AN UPWARD force to ANY Material to DAMAGE FIFTH FLOOR WINDOWS! That Fifth floor window damage in the D Ring is not consistent with the OCT! It is however "consistent" with an "explosive breaching device", to create the "exit" hole. If it looks like a "Duck", and quacks like a "Duck"; it probably IS a Duck. That's what I'm saying.

Item 2)
Notice the "clean break" on the left side of the collapse area. and look directly behind that on the B, C, and D ring roof areas. You'll see sections of roof "flashing" between separate "segments" of the building structure. That "flashing" keeps rain water from "seeping" between the separate building "segments". You can also see several more of these "flashing" areas that define the various "separate" building segments. And now it is easy to see why there is such a "clean" break on the left side.

A "comment" I made earlier about a "suspected" break" in the area of columns 18 and 19 is incorrect.

Item 3)
Where is the extensive FIRE DAMAGED AREA from thousand of gallons of JET FUEL that "followed" the wings, "DEEP INTO THE INTERIOR" of Pentagon? The B, C, and D rings are hardly even "scorched". How does that happen? This is VERY puzzling when you consider that areas of the B, C, and D rings seem to be ENTIRELY INACCESSABLE to fire fighting crews and equipment.

That jet fuel would have "penetrated" those rings, and since there isn't enough "air" for it to start burning immediately, it would have "flowed" along the first floor into those areas, causing EXTENSIVE fires that would have have consumed them!... and yet, hardly a shingle or glob of tar is melted on the B, C, and D ring roofs.

Why does 90% of the FIRE only seem to appear OUTSIDE of the Pentagon's OUTER WALL?

The FACT of minimal INTERIOR FIRE damage, now "explains" how APRIL GALLOP was able to ESCAPE from the Pentagon.

I have also noticed "whatever rennovation" work was accomplished, did NOT SEEM TO INCLUDE the INSTALLATION of a FIRE SUPPRESSION (sprinkler) SYSTEM, required for all CIVILIAN BUILDING CONSTRUCTION and ALTERATIONS, in most States. I have NOT been able to see any SPRINKLER System COMPONENTS in any of the HI RES pictures I have seen recently. These systems have very large PIPING (6 inches plus) in many areas; and I haven't seen anything to resemble this. In fact, I don't see any "fire Break" between BUILDING SEGMENTS in the "collapse area". What's up with that? I'm not even a "volunteer" fireman, but GEE!!! WTF!

To "reinforce" what I've said about the lack of a fire suppression system, I haven't seen any fire truck hoses connected to the "Building" to supply "supplimentary water" to a building fire suppression system. Instead I see hoses being dragged into upper floor windows... Why?

Without such a fire suppression system, and without firefighting access to the interior rings; that area should have burned to the ground, with ONLY the fuel remaining at the END of a B-757 flight to California.

This brings us to Item 3)
Look at the UPPER RIGHT portion of this pictue. Now tell me, WHY is the ROOF of the PENTAGON BURNED ALL THE WAY TO THE OTHER SIDE, to the E Ring, where it has caused considerable damage. The middle part of the East West roof is burned COMPLETELY across, but the MOMENTUM of the aircraft, and the FUEL IT SUPPOSEDLY CONTAINED, was to the LEFT of this area entirely. Why are these middle areas burned up, while the areas most "affected" by the "fuel load" of the alledged aircraft, furher to the left, are "burn free"? WTF! (Sorry, I said I was going to stop saying that, but GEE!).

Now that I think of it, the "other side" of the E ring is the interior court area of the Pentagon; which to me; STILL SEEMS INACCESSABLE to Fire Fighting Equipment. Is this true? or am I wrong about this? What a DUMB DESIGN for a BUILDING... it should be CONDEMMED! IMnotsoHO.

[onesliceshort]

Here's the money shot. I think this is the actual forklift on its feet in more or less its original position. If it isn't, it gives a good perspective of what it would have looked like there.

Taken from this Geoff Metcalf image:

http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/images/10.jpg

(IMG:http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/1788/forklift5marked.png)

Note the retaining wall to the right where some claim that the port (left) engine struck and the fixture beside it.

(IMG:http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/6661/retainingwall1.jpg)

http://www.dodmedia.osd.mil/Assets/Still/2...D-02-03881.JPEG

(IMG:http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/5988/retainingwall3marked.png)

Also seen in these images:

http://www.dodmedia.osd.mil/Assets/Still/2...D-02-03888.JPEG

http://www.dodmedia.osd.mil/Assets/Still/2...D-02-03889.JPEG

How could a Rolls Royce engine
with a 74"/1.88m diameter miss the fixture?

How could the engine strike a wall just 1-2 feet tall yet the wing miss the forklift and cars?

[onesliceshort]

I think this is the actual forklift on its feet in more or less its original position

(IMG:http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/730/forkliftloc4.jpg)


http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/images/6.jpg

http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/images/10.jpg

This post has been edited by onesliceshort: Mar 19 2011, 05:12 PM

[dMz]

.
PLEASE YOU GUYS.... do everything you can to "SECURE" the info from that "imgur" site;
"imgur" HI RES Pentagon Pictures make sure to click on the "Full Image" option in the upper RH corner. WOW!

This is a pretty good idea, but first- we should probably have a common reference system for the various image collections for efficiency on this thread (and elsewhere). These are the Pentagon image collections that I'm currently aware of:

Steve Riskus "criticalthrash"

Cpl. Jason Ingersoll

Geoff Metcalf (which I believe are just re-titled versions of the Ingersoll photos)

DoD

DoD Pentagon book

Library of Congress (LoC)

Daryl Donley

various "live" video/news feeds

Bauer Imgur (the collection listed above).

It would be a good idea to archive the Imgur collection ASAP- which would probably go fastest if we divide the labor by each taking a page from the Bauer Imgur collection. I'll voluteer for the 3rd (and the smaller 4th) page. That collection appears to be organized on 4 webpages, and the first 3 pages have 13 rows of 9 photos each. Thusly the easy way is to reference page - row - photo#/column/position as well as the ORIGINAL "Bauer Imgur" filename.

For example, this is the Bauer page 3, row 2, pos 2 photo named "14JKO.jpg":

http://bauer.imgur.com/pentagon#14JKO

Be sure to click the "View Full Image" magnifying glass icon at the lower right corner BEFORE SAVING the images to get the highest resolution image possible:
http://i.imgur.com/14JKO.jpg

Here are some links/resources that should make archival of that collection much easier:

Bauer Imgur page 1:
http://bauer.imgur.com/pentagon/all?p=1
Index
(IMG:http://flickcabin.com/pfiles/93631/BauerPent_p1.jpg)

Bauer Imgur page 2:
http://bauer.imgur.com/pentagon/all?p=2
Index
(IMG:http://flickcabin.com/pfiles/93632/BauerPent_p2.jpg)

Bauer Imgur page 3: [I will be archiving this page]
http://bauer.imgur.com/pentagon/all?p=3
Index
http://flickcabin.com/public/view/93633

Bauer Imgur page 4: [I will be archiving this page]
http://bauer.imgur.com/pentagon/all?p=4

Once each page is archived, it would be good to ZIP that collection page and upload these page archives to a free public file server (and then we could each maintain our own copies on hard disk or CD/DVD, too).

I don't believe that the image locations move on each page due to the HTML coding, but this could change in theory. I can also probably do a spreadsheet .XLS or .CSV "map" of the filenames for each page if I get time. Gotta run, but I'll be working on this when I get more time.

Again- it is a good idea to keep those ORIGINAL "Imgur" FILENAMES for archival reasons (and they aren't very legible), then you could copy that collection/page subdirectory and rename or delete some COPIES for convenience after ZIPping the entire page archive.

[kawika]

FORKLIFT location on a plan of the Pentagon showing damaged/missing columns, total collapse area and other interesting details.

(IMG:http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/6395/forkonplan.th.jpg)


I want to draw your attention to the relationship of the UTILITY TIE TUNNEL(right) and the RADIAL TUNNEL (left) to the boundaries of the collapse area.

Note also the number of columns damaged/missing in relation to the total.

The forklift was right in the path of most destruction. There is no way it could escape being damaged, both from impact and from fire, yet it appears to be unscathed. Unless no plane went through there.

We have images of it laying down before and after the facade collapse. We have an image showing it standing after the collapse during the clean-up. We have an image showing it laying down, with debris and fencing bunched around it, over near the Heliport garage. We have an image of it standing there also. This one item really gets around.

[paranoia]

i uploaded this pic around 2007-08, but wasnt able to remember where i had saved it. finally found it tonight tho -

http://www.dodmedia.osd.mil/Assets/Still/2...D-02-03932.JPEG (fullsize hi-rez)

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[Aldo Marquis CIT]

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[23investigator]

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Dear Aldo.

I think you are saying, that picture does not need words.
If so, you are very correct.

The quality of the picture is --exceptional-- compared to many that are available.
It would be great to have the chronology.

But I would suspect it was before, Santa's little helpers who were marching along together with their 'grapple hooks' arrived on the scene.
The S/wagon still looks in 'pretty good nick', the white car on it's left was just being 'kindled up for the big burn'.

It looked more like a bulldozer was needed, more than a forklift at the time of the photograph.

Would love to see any photographs of this standard, taken further north at the same time.

Regards

Robert

ps you have my admiration for your great efforts and your persistence --which equates to DETERMINATION.

[dMz]

Psst- is there some fucking REASON that everyone keeps referring to a "station wagon" west of the Pentagon or is it an 'across the pond'-kind of thing? (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/thumbdown.gif)

Now looking at the burned-out shell of that vehicle in the foreground of the forklift photo- its right front fender looks similar to a Jeep Grand Cherokee to me, probably a late 1990s-2001 model:

1999 Jeep Grand Cherokee
http://autos.aol.com/cars-Jeep-Grand+Cherokee-1999/photos/

2000 Jeep Grand Cherokee
http://autos.aol.com/cars-Jeep-Grand+Cherokee-2000/photos/

2001 Jeep Grand Cherokee
http://autos.aol.com/cars-Jeep-Grand+Cherokee-2001/photos/

http://autos.aol.com/jeep-grand+cherokee/

Is that the same SUV body that was moved from the parking spot south of the white car to its current location in the forklift photo?

[dMz]

Psst- is there some fucking REASON that everyone keeps referring to a "station wagon" west of the Pentagon or is it an 'across the pond'-kind of thing? (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/thumbdown.gif)

Compare this [semi-factory-broken Jeep shit-BTW]:
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http://www.4lo.com/moab/Moab98/SteelBender98/6.jpg
http://www.4lo.com/moab/Moab98/SteelBender98/sb98.htm

The toughest part of the Dragon's Tail is the last ledge. It manages to have steps at each axle of shorter wheel-base vehicles. So unless you're locked and can crawl, or want to use brute force to get you over, you're pretty much stuck. This is Flatlander in his new Jeep Grand Cherokee (of 4X4NOW.COM fame) high-centered on his rocker panels. Ouch!

Can't wait to have my 94 Grand Cherokee out on the trail... well maybe not. As you can see Flatlander knew when a strap was the best option and took it.

http://www.4lo.com/moab/Moab98/SteelBender98/sb98.htm

against this "wagon," and note the locations SOMEWHERE ON THE GLOBE...:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/squidd/5392461104/

[onesliceshort]

Psst- is there some fucking REASON that everyone keeps referring to a "station wagon" west of the Pentagon or is it an 'across the pond'-kind of thing?

C'mon guys, back off d's station wagon... (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

[onesliceshort]

i uploaded this pic around 2007-08, but wasnt able to remember where i had saved it. finally found it tonight tho -

http://www.dodmedia.osd.mil/Assets/Still/2...D-02-03932.JPEG (fullsize hi-rez)

Cheers P!

I was looking for an image of the forklift's wheels. I thought that they may have been melted or warped, but they're not (as fara as I can see). So I stillcan't figure out why it was being trailed about. Maybe the gas lines were warped or..I don't know. Seems like a waste of what looks like a new(ish) piece of machinery (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/dunno.gif)

[onesliceshort]

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Cheers Aldo!
Gotta love the duhbunkers labelling of that image. You can't make jack sh*t of the scrap on the ground but they say it's "probable aircraft debris". And then they point to what they call the "wing impact" which stretches above the almost 3m fence behind the cars. The wing tip would have reached beyond columns 5 and 6.

How can they push the first floor penetration and a tilt, then push this crap?
I've been working to see the exact angles the aircraft would have needed to be in to line up with all their labels and it makes for some interesting reading mate (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)