Organization Credibility, split from AA77 Position Data Options

[Logicman]

Mr. Balsamo,

I am new here and a newcomer to researching 911 so I have an open mind as of now.
One thing I notice, through arguments with friends of mine, is the credibility of alot of these sites and the people making the claims.
The internet is full of people saying they are someone else, and it is risky place to obtain information.

Your bio reads:

4000TT Commercial, Instrument, Multi, CFI II MEI
Corporate Chief Pilot
135 Capt
121 FO Independence Air/Atlantic Coast Airlines
King Air C-90/200, Dornier 328JET

Can you please explain what everything listed there is, so I can use it when discussing with a friend?

Do these abbreviations indicate your routes? or are they training related?
Which airline are you with?

Just looking for info to satisfy my friend.
(Sorry if this is in the wrong thread, I just found one that you initiated)

Thanks,
Jason

[rob balsamo]

The above was sent via email to me.... here is a copy/paste of the reply...

This may help with "credibility" of our organization... and others who question 911.
http://patriotsquestion911.com/pilots

TT = Total Time

CFI = Certified Flight Instructor

II = Instrument Instructor

MEI = Multiengine Instructor

ATP = Airline Transport Pilot


Other acronyms are type ratings and type aircraft flown (such as 737, DHC-7.. etc). Use Google Image Search for each type...

Also...

135/121 are the certificates issued by the FAA for a specific operator. 135 is Charter, 121 is Airline.

[Logicman]

Hey Rob,

I apologize if this is sent twice?? I swear I posted yesterday but do not see it here. Maybe something I'm doing...

Anyways,

to answer a few more questions:

Corporate Cheif Pilot for what airline or organization?
What airline do you currently work for?
What company do you administer flight instruction for?

Please don't take this as a deposition... I'm just trying to back up a few statements in other arguments with credible sources.

Thanks,
Jay

[rob balsamo]

Logicman,

Your questions are getting rather personal.. no?

Considering the amount of attack, libel, slander and defamation we come under daily all over the net from a select group of individuals who have nothing better to do with their time, my employers, future employers, and past employers (who have not already been disclosed) will remain with only those on a need-to-know and/or on a level of confidence. There have been several attempts, albeit unsuccessful, made by individuals to cause problems with the livelihood of those who also research 9/11.

Feel free to invite any and all who question our credibility to sign up to this forum with their questions. Im sure they will be more than satisfied with the replies, or remain in denial.

With that said, please click the link provided above as many well known airlines are represented by core members of our organization (jetBlue, Continental, American, United, Former TWA... etc), including every branch of the military. Every pilot certificated by the FAA can be cross referenced at faa.gov airman database.

[Logicman]

Rob,

My questions do not mean any disrepect.
The internet is full of misinformation, and I prefer, as I'm sure you do the same, to use only information from credible, reliable sources in my arguments.

Is it wrong to verify someones credentials before listening to their arguments or quoting their findings?

I'm sure you agree it is not...

I even came across a quote from yourself in another forum where you doubted someones claim because they posted anonamously.

Should I doubt what you say? You give a name, but keep everything else a secret?

No, I shouldn't doubt what you say, as your comments are intelligent and most of them make sense to me. BUT how anyone can take your word on something technical without you first providing proof of your expertise is beyond me. Imagine you were in court. You would have to proove your credibility before being able to testify. And this website is basically a court of sorts, putting the American government on trial (which they probably deserve).

But for myself, I cannot in good consciense use any of your personal arguments in my own arguments without having some verification of your qualifications.
I've had other members in different forms verify their identities(to an extent) and expertises, before I will use their arguments also.

Like I said, nothing personal here. I just try to steer clear of misinformation on the web like most other people should.

Jay

[Logicman]

Hey again,

1 more question that I should ask in relation to this.

I've looked at your core members list and their past experience, and it is overly impressive.
My one concern is how did you verify any of the information on the site?
I've tried to verify one random name on the list and I came up pretty much empty.
Also, is there a way to see when someone posts and their name is "blankly" .. how do you see if is one of the core members? Or will the core members names be listed without a 'username'? Just curious...

Thanks,
Jay

Logicman,

Your questions are getting rather personal.. no?

Considering the amount of attack, libel, slander and defamation we come under daily all over the net from a select group of individuals who have nothing better to do with their time, my employers, future employers, and past employers (who have not already been disclosed) will remain with only those on a need-to-know and/or on a level of confidence. There have been several attempts, albeit unsuccessful, made by individuals to cause problems with the livelihood of those who also research 9/11.

Feel free to invite any and all who question our credibility to sign up to this forum with their questions. Im sure they will be more than satisfied with the replies, or remain in denial.

With that said, please click the link provided above as many well known airlines are represented by core members of our organization (jetBlue, Continental, American, United, Former TWA... etc), including every branch of the military. Every pilot certificated by the FAA can be cross referenced at faa.gov airman database.

[rob balsamo]

Should I doubt what you say? You give a name, but keep everything else a secret?

I can only provide the link. you have to click it.

http://patriotsquestion911.com/pilots

See our pretty smiles there, many in uniform on the flight deck.

If you think they are all photoshopped, goto faa.gov airman database and cross check the pilots listed.

Again, you can sit here asking and doubting till your face turns blue while my fingers turn the same color retyping links for you that you refuse to click. Its too bad im not in Kitchener anymore otherwise i can meet you and show you my pilot certificates in person at the Flying Dog over a beer... (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

BUT how anyone can take your word on something technical without you first providing proof of your expertise is beyond me. Imagine you were in court. You would have to proove your credibility before being able to testify. And this website is basically a court of sorts, putting the American government on trial (which they probably deserve).

If i were in court, i would show them my pilot certificates. You can also see them on the web at faa.gov airman database as i have told you above.

But for myself, I cannot in good consciense use any of your personal arguments in my own arguments without having some verification of your qualifications.

Click the links i provided.

Here is how you do it.

Take your mouse (not a real mouse, but the one used for a computer), place the little arrow over this underlined link...

http://patriotsquestion911.com/pilots

Place your finger over the upper left button on your mouse.. then press down. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

If you need more instructions on how to click a link, try here.

Now, after you learn how to click the links i provided and finally realize we are real pilots, please visit this link before you go into many other common arguments which have already been addressed.

Jay,

Keep in mind, there is over 2 years of research on this forum. Take some time to browse and look around clicking links as the questions you are asking are already addressed. Please, click links.

[Thous]

I have a question for Rob too that is somewhat related to this discussion – but not as personal as the other questions.

I have heard that you have retired to solely assist in spreading the truth about 9/11? Is that true, or another internet rumor? Sorry, if you have already answered this, I’m new the 9/11 world.

[rob balsamo]

My one concern is how did you verify any of the information on the site?

For the third time... faa.gov airman database.


(bolded this time so hopefully you dont miss it)

[rob balsamo]

I have heard that you have retired to solely assist in spreading the truth about 9/11? Is that true, or another internet rumor? Sorry, if you have already answered this, I’m new the 9/11 world.

Hi Thous,

Welcome to the forum and thanks for your question.

The answer is no. I am not "retired". Some have spread rumors that im an "ex-commercial pilot". But they are just rumors and lies. Im a qualified pilot under FAA regulations and can be cross referenced at faa.gov airman database.

With that said, i also run and operate Pilots For 9/11 Truth full time as well.

[lunk]

I think that this thread should be renamed,
"Incredible Organization!"

Welcome to P4T

cheers, lunk

[rob balsamo]

Sorry Rob, Mods and Members,

These are my friends who are researching 9/11. I'm trying to help them along, but they're putting up a good fight. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/laughing1.gif)

Putting up a good fight? When i have to repeat myself ad nauseum?

[beatles64]

I have learned first hand several things about this forum....


1. This place ROCKS, end of story

2. Rob is the real deal, so if your new, I know you might want to ask a lot of questions (I know I did), but you might just have to trust us, Rob has done great work

3. This place has a lot of valuable opinions, and is an excellent resource

4. Use the search feature in the top right corner before asking Rob (I know Rob, it took me awhile to figure this one out)....chances are you will find your answer there, and can save him some time (I imagine he is quite busy)


With that being said, if you have a question don't be afraid to ask, and try to be as specific as possible, it will help all of us....


oh yeah, and one more thing....


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